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Title: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Tue 16/09/2008 04:34:26
Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)

KOM Demo 1.1 Now available ------------ 116.35MB
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UDEBAX6O

Progress

AS OF 19th JANUARY 2009

Art
Backgrounds 100%
Characters 100%
Animation 100%
Inventory Items 100%
Cursors 95%
GUI's 80%

Scripting
Story 100%
Puzzles 80%
Dialogs 10%
Functions 10%
Messages 5%
Additional 5%

Sound/Music 50%

(http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3317/3317811435abd40e741c0b46ae4f7cc1fc4004e.jpg)

Sorry about the file size but it is a huge game, the demo in itself qualifies as a full AGS game. Do I dare say that, once finished, KOM will be the largest AGS game ever made?

I had to look around for a site that'd host such a large file, as I don't have one of my own. Does anyone have any suggestions for what to do for the full version? I estimate that the size will be around 1.2GB. I don't know if Adventuregamestudio.co.uk will support this.

For additional info view the quickly thrown together readme contained in the download. Any additional questions will be answered here or you can contact me at Revonx@gmail.com.

Hopefully Movies/Music and sound effects are compatible with most machines, I don't know what to say if the formats below don't work on your PC, all I can tell you is that they work on mine. Google for the formats below if you experience problems, but (hopefully) you probably won't. I've included a video plugin just in case.

Movie clips are MPEG and are coded with ffdshow.
Music is OGG/
Sound is MP3 and WAV.

Will post a bug report here and make necessary changes. I'd like to keep updating the demo but in larger bursts. I also want to enter it into the AGS demo competition eventually, but I haven't really looked into it yet.

The demo is still missing door animations over Flake Town and Bakers Isle which is why it sometimes look odd when Thidney walks into a room because its allowing space for a door.

Demo contains:
---92 rooms (Not all are rooms are where the player actually walks around in, as rooms are used for talking to characters, menus e.t.c)

---24 characters

---22 Inventory items

---91 Dialogs

---Over 7000 lines of script

---Several puzzles

--- And one red herring/crazy ass wild goose chase

If I asked you to test or you offered to test, please keep in contact though I'll be around less coming up to New Year. I'm making good progress on the full version but I wont say when the full version is, until I'm very close (I made that mistake before).

IMPORTANT

KOM is very much your game, you have the ability to voice your own opinion wether you are happy or unhappy with the material thats there. If you want to see something added or something removed you have only to tell me in any format you desire and I will very likely make necessary changes. Upon playing the demo you might have figured that I was a bit of a perfectionist and therefore I won't release the full version until all voices have been heard. Some may complain (be in support) of certain views that are expressed through the medium of humour within the game. And I apologise if you are offended by these perhaps new age views. It is not my intention to enforce my opinions upon you, but wether its music, movies or games that we are making or have made, we leave behind an imprint of ourselves voicing our personal opinion. Sometimes the best way to express these views are through entertainment, and in KOM's case concealed by a curtain of consistent sarcasm. However if there are parts of the game that you felt were just plain offensive (maybe talking to Krystal) please tell me in confidence and I will certainly take it on board.

BUG REPORT:

1. Talking to Terrence/1st time/Second Dialog/3rd Option/5th line ==Spacing incorrect.
2. Walking off Flake Town Bridge at night ==  Flase demo completion

ENJOY!

What is it?

For those that haven't heard of it before, it was released by SCi in 1996. It is a comedic point and click adventure game, filled with bizarre humour.
The game is a parody of J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth, as seen in the names of some of the places in the game such as Rivendull and Minar Tragedy.It was designed by Fergus McNeill who became famous during the eighties for games such as Bored of the Rings (influenced by, but not adapted from, the Harvard Lampoon book) and The Boggit.
KOM was planned for release on four different systems: MS-DOS, Sega Saturn, Sony PlayStation, Apple Macintosh but fell through for the Sega Saturn.
The origional recieved very mixed reviews, some stating that it was terrible, while others swear by it being right up there with the top dogs of point and click adventure. For those of you that remember it,  might agree that the game itself was a real landmark for adventure games and had the potential to be rather extraordinary, but there were so many improvements that could have been made.

Whats going to change from the original?

Again for those that have played the game, you will remember there were two playable characters 'Thidney' and 'Sharon', my version will only feature 'Thidney' as a playable character, but will also feature 'Sharon' as an NPC within the game. You may also remember three seperate quests, I intend to combine all three plus an and more to form one whole version.
I don't want to spoil  the original game, only improve and add on. For example the fighting mechanism of the original was very basic and I was thinking of a more 'Quest for Glory' approach rather than its former 'point and smack'.
I want to keep the sprites in 3D.
The story will change though not completely.
Some sprites will be kept, some thrown, some added.
All original rooms will be kept, a few added.
Obviously alot more, that my brain can't fathom at the moment.
(http://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/315152957c42b040ddd95a6f241e57651e3ebd1.jpg)
Start Screen
(http://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/31515334d2bc917ae88c7aa2eba606c687053d2.jpg)
Map
(http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/3151536b81a07fa403f493cca2c0cfc256104ca.jpg)
Some characters in KOM
(http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/315153822945dbec8049923e8c6b4e9efa3f70e.jpg)
The Ferryman
(http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/3151541f0bb4fd07069f9dcbd55620deae91ad5.jpg)
Flake Town at Night
(http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/3151544bbbf28df29b6488022df016ce3d851a7.jpg)
Options
(http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/3151545a72a1be82bbdb6365f9e268d1a3fb37f.jpg)
The Pier
(http://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/31515468152d94732c2b645614c815a525c0aa3.jpg)
King Afro's Palace
(http://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/3151547e1908582ff39701641f8917784bfab3a.jpg)
Talking to the Jolly Mutant
(http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3151/3151548ea3151882a270235f1d2034bf6b9e12b.jpg)
Beer
(http://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3201/3201412cffd3d1bdb525cb9e598158336333425.jpg)
The Mysterious Bakers Isle

So who the hell are you?

I'm not a designer at all, just a big point and click fan, which forced me to learn the 'Tricks of the Trade'. However you're support wether it be offering suggestions or attention will be key to completing this project. I also promise to thankyou in the credits.

When can we expect the game?

I will hopefully release a demo  by December 14 purely for reaction purposes, you could probably expect the full game late Jan early Feb. These are estimates and I don't consider myself on any kind of deadline, so if its later, its later. ;D

Is it gonna cost anything?

Not a dime.

Finally!

Enjoy.

Revonx.
:o
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Tue 16/09/2008 11:59:40
Oh, I love this game.   :D  I still have the cds (for Thidney and Sharon), but I could never get it to work in Windows XP or Vista.

It will be so great if you pull this off.  Will there be voice acting in?  Thidney's voice added a lot of appeal to it, I thought.

I can't offer you any techinal advice, cos I don't know how to programme or animate.  But I wish you lots of luck and best wishes.

I'm very much looking forward to your demo.   ;D

Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Tue 16/09/2008 13:12:29
Quote from: Frodo on Tue 16/09/2008 11:59:40
Will there be voice acting in?



Yes there will be, I'm gonna try and stick with Thidneys scottish accent. I will be looking for voice actors at some stage but it may be a while off.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Jimtbrit on Tue 16/09/2008 17:32:54
Likewise, I remember the original and would like to see a remake, in the mean time does anyone have any ideas how to get the original running through XP? I have tried Dosbox but I could not seem to get the speed right.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Tue 16/09/2008 18:07:52
Quote from: Jimtbrit on Tue 16/09/2008 17:32:54
Likewise, I remember the original and would like to see a remake, in the mean time does anyone have any ideas how to get the original running through XP? I have tried Dosbox but I could not seem to get the speed right.

Obviously I'm constantly playing the original, can't do it all from memory. Have you tried running it under D-Fend? You could try editing your DosBox cycles.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Jimtbrit on Tue 16/09/2008 18:58:33
I will have to hunt down my old copy and give it a try.
Thanks and good luck with the project.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Dualnames on Thu 18/09/2008 16:55:34
Reminds me of DiscNoir concerning graphics.. never played the original, this one does look nice.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Thu 18/09/2008 17:29:14
Are you gonna have a narrator in it, filling in background story and adding a lot of comcical remarks (like the original), or are you gonna focus more on the main character?

What kind of interface will the game have?  Verb coin thingy?  Words \ actions across athe bottom (Monkey Island style)?  The AGS bar at top of screen?  Something else?

:)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Fri 19/09/2008 23:21:02
Quote from: Frodo on Thu 18/09/2008 17:29:14
Are you gonna have a narrator in it, filling in background story and adding a lot of comcical remarks (like the original), or are you gonna focus more on the main character?

What kind of interface will the game have?  Verb coin thingy?  Words \ actions across athe bottom (Monkey Island style)?  The AGS bar at top of screen?  Something else?

:)


Hopefully there will be a narrator with text also, thats one of the last things that I'll actually do. As you remember in the origional when you clicked on an accessible sprite, object or character, a small ring popped up where you could select to look at, pick up, use, cast a spell on and attack. In the remake no such ring will be displayed but you will still be able to preform these actions with a right click or going through the gui, (that bar at the top). The only action I have not included is the cast spell cursor, you will still be able to cast spells on characters and the enviroment but these 'spells' in the form of scrolls will be accessible through the inventory. Not sure what you mean by the 'verb coin thingy'. All text will be displayed at the bottom of the screen including when in dialogue with another character. Hope I answered your questions, please don't hesitate to quote me on that and thankyou very much for asking them. : )

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Sat 20/09/2008 01:27:28
The verb coin thingy is very similar to the small ring in the original.  But you have explained that the same actions can be performed by right clicking or using bar at the top, thanks.    :)

I'm curious about your Fighting system.  You want to go for more of a Quest For Glory style.  Do you mean that, the more you fight, the better you get, and your punches, kicks etc with cause more damage - kinda like leveling up?  Or do you mean that we (the player) will have more control over the fight itself, being able to move left \ right \ slash \ dodge etc?   8)

I assume it will be Vista compatible?   ;)


*counts days until demo is released*



Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Sat 20/09/2008 08:29:38
Quote from: Frodo on Sat 20/09/2008 01:27:28
The verb coin thingy is very similar to the small ring in the original.  But you have explained that the same actions can be performed by right clicking or using bar at the top, thanks.    :)

I'm curious about your Fighting system.  You want to go for more of a Quest For Glory style.  Do you mean that, the more you fight, the better you get, and your punches, kicks etc with cause more damage - kinda like leveling up?  Or do you mean that we (the player) will have more control over the fight itself, being able to move left \ right \ slash \ dodge etc?   8)

I assume it will be Vista compatible?   ;)


*counts days until demo is released*





Working on the fighting system as we speak, very tricky for the AGS, I just downloaded an AGS version remake of Quest for Glory two and trying to work out exactly how they did it. You wont be able to 'level up' as such but obviously different weapons and spells do different amounts of damage. You won't however effectively be able to kill every NPC in the game, because obviously some characters are key to the game. I'll let you know more when I've actually completed a fight sequence. The demo and game itself will be vista compatible, I'm running vista myself. I shall try to have a demo up sometime next week, I'm very pleased that your interested. : )
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Wed 24/09/2008 12:58:57
Quote from: Dualnames on Thu 18/09/2008 16:55:34
Reminds me of DiscNoir concerning graphics.. never played the original, this one does look nice.

Never played 'Discnoir', is that an AGS game, sound interesting.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Wed 24/09/2008 15:45:28
Quote from: Revonx on Wed 24/09/2008 12:58:57
Quote from: Dualnames on Thu 18/09/2008 16:55:34
Reminds me of DiscNoir concerning graphics.. never played the original, this one does look nice.

Never played 'Discnoir', is that an AGS game, sound interesting.

I assume he means Discworld Noir, which is a commercial game - http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/discworld-noir/screenshots

Can't wait to get my hands on your demo though.   ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Dualnames on Thu 25/09/2008 09:16:53
Yep it's Discworld Noir, it is. Well, really nice game, it seems. Waiting for it...
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Wed 01/10/2008 03:23:33

[/Can't wait to get my hands on your demo though.   ;D]
Can't wait to get my hands on your demo though.   ;D


You will be able to very soon, hopefully by the end of this week. Its not really gonna be a demo though, just something to show how the full version will play, I'm sure you'll enjoy it all the same. Because you've shown such an active intrest how'd you like to be the first to try it? Because you know the original quite well I'm hoping you can give me some advice as to what else the game needs, you don't have to if you don't want to, but I'd be very pleased if you would and of course I'll include you in the credits.  ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Wed 01/10/2008 19:59:22
It would be so awesome to see you demo, Revonx.  Thanks.   ;D

I sent you pm.   :)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Sat 18/10/2008 01:21:14
Hi,

Apologies to those waiting for the demo, I'm waiting on some input from an outside source which will add to the game, I did promise a demo this week, but I'm behind schedule, excpect one within a fortnight.

Keep in touch,

Revonx
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Sat 18/10/2008 02:02:12
Okay, no problem Revonx   :)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Trent R on Sat 18/10/2008 05:01:50
Don't worry Revonx, every indie game developer has setbacks and delays. I doubt there's a single AGSer that has done everything on time (except maybe CJ, but he has a right to say "It's not realeased, stop bothering me")

As for your game, it has a very interesting look, and I'm excited to play. I've never heard of the original, so I'm betting that your remake will be my only choice to get it.

~Trent
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Sun 26/10/2008 11:38:16
Quote from: Trent R on Sat 18/10/2008 05:01:50
Don't worry Revonx, every indie game developer has setbacks and delays. I doubt there's a single AGSer that has done everything on time (except maybe CJ, but he has a right to say "It's not realeased, stop bothering me")

As for your game, it has a very interesting look, and I'm excited to play. I've never heard of the original, so I'm betting that your remake will be my only choice to get it.

~Trent

Hopefully there will be no more delays, glad more people are interested. ;D

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: on Sun 26/10/2008 18:05:41
Nice idea! I'd love to play the full version of the original though before I play this :) I loved the original demo. Will your game have all the 3D cutscenes, remade or ripped?
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Sun 26/10/2008 19:00:24
Quote from: Mods on Sun 26/10/2008 18:05:41
Nice idea! I'd love to play the full version of the original though before I play this :) I loved the original demo. Will your game have all the 3D cutscenes, remade or ripped?
I'd love to say remade, but I'm afraid they WILL be ripped. Damn my laziness! I offer you a great amount of luck in trying to get the original game to run on your computer, it is a very incompatible game for any machine running under XP or Vista or any modern apple. Thankyou for taking an interest. ;D

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Wed 29/10/2008 20:44:28
Short in game video uploaded, briefly showing a few features of the game. Please ignore the lag, it is due to the video capture and is not representative of in-game action:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H_0zkHEmdl0
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: on Thu 30/10/2008 01:10:38
Looking good :)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Thu 30/10/2008 01:24:29
Lovely   :D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: SteveD on Sat 15/11/2008 12:42:16
Hi there Revonx,

Is there any news on how the game is coming along? You are the reason why I joined this forum, KOM is one of THE best games I have ever played, brings back so many memories.

Regards

Steve
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Sun 07/12/2008 02:26:17
So how's it going?  I'm ITCHING to get my hands on this game.   ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Thu 11/12/2008 13:35:12
Hi guys, sorry I haven't been checking the forums, I'm making excellent progress on the full version and I'll be posting a demo up for all of you to play this weekend.
Regards,
Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Fri 12/12/2008 09:42:50
That's great Revonx.  Look forward to it.   :)

Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Sun 21/12/2008 18:02:55
Merry Christmas!

Demo Available at top of the page
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: SteveD on Sun 21/12/2008 19:03:00
Hi Revonx,

Will I have to subscripe and pay with that website in order to play the KOM demo?

Regards

Stephen
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Sun 21/12/2008 19:11:23
WOOHOO   ;D

Downloading now.  Thanks Revonx  *hugs*   ;D


@StevenD.  No, you don't have to subsribe or pay for that website.  Just click on the link in first post, wait 45 seconds (it counts down the seconds for you), then click on Free Download.  And enjoy.   :)

Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Sun 21/12/2008 19:17:54
Quote from: SteveD on Sun 21/12/2008 19:03:00
Hi Revonx,

Will I have to subscripe and pay with that website in order to play the KOM demo?

Regards

Stephen

No you won't have to pay or subscribe to play, wouldn't have used megaupload if that was the case. ;D Enjoy.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: SteveD on Sun 21/12/2008 19:22:38
Hi,

How do I actually download the game from that site? Sorry for sounding like a dummy.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Sun 21/12/2008 19:39:57
SteveD


Quote from: Frodo on Sun 21/12/2008 19:11:23
@StevenD.  No, you don't have to subsribe or pay for that website.  Just click on the link in first post, wait 45 seconds (it counts down the seconds for you), then click on Free Download.  And enjoy.   :)


Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: SteveD on Sun 21/12/2008 20:12:56
Thanks guys managed the download and I am playing now.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Frodo on Sun 21/12/2008 22:05:39
This is wonderful, it's so great to play this again.  And you've obviously put a lot of work into it.   ;D

First impressions:

The animation is awesome.  I love the Gorgan's story, and the Ninja baker, and Dark Lord.   :D  The dialogue is hilarious, I love how you changed a lot of it.  The dwarf made me laugh, cos he wants to be taller, and it's up to Thidney to do something about it.  I'm loving this so far.   ;D




Just a couple of things though...
The intro is wonderful, and I love the whole Thydney story.  But when you die, and have to restart the game, is there away to skip the intro, or do we have to watch it all again?

When I look at characters, I get their bio first, but then I see a screen with some characters and lots of question marks everywhere.  Is this intentional?   :-\

Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Mon 22/12/2008 05:56:45
Hi Frodo, glad you are liking it so far. ;D

To answer your questions:

Q1:The intro is wonderful, and I love the whole Thidney story.  But when you die, and have to restart the game, is there away to skip the intro, or do we have to watch it all again?

A1: I will implement a question before the intro which asks the player if he or she has played before and are therefore given the choice to skip, if they so wish.

Q2: When I look at characters, I get their bio first, but then I see a screen with some characters and lots of question marks everywhere.  Is this intentional?

A2: Yes, this was intentional, this is the characters screen. The idea is, at that any point in the game you can open the characters screen to view a character, gain hints about them, view their inventory e.t.c. The question marks are there because characters are unlockable along the way. Every time you look at a new character a question mark is unlocked and the character is available.
How did you find it implemented in the game? :D

Regards,
Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Dualnames on Mon 22/12/2008 17:40:50
I'llgive this a shot asap. I promise!
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Fri 26/12/2008 13:32:29
I hope everyone had a good christmas, ;D

Anyone whos already played the demo can contact me here or at my email: Revonx@gmail.com, I'll be waiting to hear any kind of input. I'm out of the country for the next few weeks but I'll still be checking the forums and email. Alot of people have been emailing me, asking if they have to pay to play, just to reiterate: It will NOT cost you a thing, so if you find that you're beeing roped into buying something, (for example the subscription offers on Megaupload, where I posted the demo) that has nothing to do with me, so don't give away any of your hard earned cash, especially not to overpriced websites like Megaupload!

Before the game is released, I shall purchase a small website of my own, where I will upload the full game and (if asked and deemed worthwhile) games from other creators aswell, for free.

Stay in touch,

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake)
Post by: Revonx on Fri 09/01/2009 07:56:44
Added some more videos on youtube, showing updated in-game action, one of the mini-games and a cutscene.

My account: http://de.youtube.com/user/TheObnoxiousOne
In game action (3 months in): http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=SReghiQSmfo
Cutscene: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=IqiZdSRtwaM&feature=related
Mini Game: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=RQkYQNnWnkw&feature=related


Will update the demo (and reduce the size) in the coming weeks. Keep in touch.

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Fri 09/01/2009 14:40:24
I'll have a look at these tonight, when I get home.

Thanks Revonx.   ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Sat 10/01/2009 21:49:20
Those look terribly good!!
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Sun 11/01/2009 21:02:42
Quote from: Dualnames on Sat 10/01/2009 21:49:20
Those look terribly good!!

I have to agree.  These are fantastic.    ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Sun 11/01/2009 21:09:36
Got to say you've done a wonderfull job, makes me want to play!!
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Mon 12/01/2009 09:40:51
Thanks guys, much appreciated, I'll keep you updated with all progress. ;D

Regards,

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Fri 16/01/2009 09:19:26
Ok, downloaded played and have some comments.

First, please receive this as good critique. ;D

1)Well, there's definetely a hell going on in the data folder. Which you can reduce to dust and just have your game distributed without the ffdshow plugin and reduce size to 50%-70%. Convert those mpeg and two mpgs to *.ogv. All you need is AGS 3.1.1 and a program to convert them ( i can redirect you to one I'm using). AGS will compile these files along the exe, so you'll gain size, and non-viewability(people won't be able to view them). No one needs a plugin and a codec to play your game this way.

2) Also remove the *.scm (2), since AGS isn't using them anyway. You are using them in the game yes, but they're no use to AGS at the compiled folder.

3) The talk to cursor is very very similar to the look at. A mouth or something would be better. And the pick up icon seems to be off no use for anything else so it might be better to remove it and use eModeInteract interaction for picking up items instead of displaying a message like "Try picking it up".

Other than that:
1) Excellent job overall. The game feels alive with all those people walking doing stuff and all.
2) The intro is very nicely done
3) The cursors and GUI interface match the game graphically and gamewisely.
4) Can't wait for the full game.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Fri 16/01/2009 11:22:31
Firstly, this is some of the best constructive criticism I've had so far, please don't be worried about causing any offence, I implore everyone to do the same and seek out the bad more so than the good and that way I can change or alter some of the games 'less' good qualities.

Convert those mpeg and two mpgs to *.ogv.
Yes, I planned to have all sound and music in that format. But, upon converting, some sounds were damaged and quality massively reduced for reasons I canno't for the life of me explain (even when having prior knowledge of sound and its formats) I'm sure theres a way around it and if there is I shall certainly do it in preperation for the full version.

All you need is AGS 3.1.1
Not the version I'm currently using, but it shouldn't be too much of a problem to upgrade. Does AGS 3.1.1, compile the 'compiled folder' into the exe instead of having it as a seperate entity, is that what you're saying?

Also remove the *.scm (2), since AGS isn't using them anyway. You are using them in the game yes, but they're no use to AGS at the compiled folder.
Thankyou for this, I was unsure of whether they were required to stay in the folder or not.

The talk to cursor is very very similar to the look at. A mouth or something would be better.
Hmmm, not sure about this one, I think the magnifying glass is quite distinguishable from the microphone. This is also what the original had as cursors, I'll give it some thought though.

And the pick up icon seems to be off no use for anything else so it might be better to remove it and use eModeInteract interaction for picking up items instead of displaying a message like "Try picking it up".
Yes, I was worried about this. I realised somewhere down the line that the pick up cursor serves no real point other than to pick up objects. You've confirmed my fears, the pick up icon will dissappear for the full version. ;D

The game feels alive with all those people walking doing stuff and all.
There were limitations, it being a demo with only several rooms available, the full version will see characters (such as Goliath) walking around most of the entire map.

The intro is very nicely done
Very mixed views on the intro, mostly with the sound in the background. Although people liked the story, they weren't to happy with the mixing movable characters/animation with non moving characters/no animations.

The cursors and GUI interface match the game graphically and gamewisely.
Thankyou, yes, I thought so too. Someone suggested the cursors were too small, but I think he'd been playing the original too much, where the interact cursor is about the same size as Thidney and sometimes (when Thidney walks into the distance) twice as big!

Can't wait for the full game.
Critique like this will only speed up the whole process. ;D

Thanks again for the wise words and I'll be happy to answer any further questions.

Regards,

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Fri 16/01/2009 13:54:36
You should definetely plan to update to 3.1.1, if you want to use ogv theora video files. You put all your *.ogv to the main folder (not the compiled), and you press compile. The video files are then compiled within the exe. That's what I said. So nevermind anything else you probably misunderstood. As for quality of videos yes, indeed I've noticed that from wmv to ogv there's no difference but from mpeg to ogv there is. Of course that is dependent on the program you're using. So not sure if it's the format that causes loss of quality.

As for the talk cursor, I might be blind but it really doesn't seem like a microphone..if you put some black spots as holes might make it appear more like one. Or it's just me then.

As for the intro, I noticed that, but that doesn't make the game bad. Instead it gives a style. And discworld noir had very bad talking views but I still loved the game. Anyway, the way this is done in this game isn't bad for me at all.

Oh, last thought just came in: Would it be difficult to put a Characters button next to talk to, walk to, look at, buttons (I'm speaking about the GUI that appears on the top of the screen), or add some hotkey for it?

Clarifying:
*.ogv are video format
*.ogg are sound format (almost lossless compression at least I never managed to realize if it's losing, the difference appears very little to me. All my music vox and sound files are in ogg.)

I have a clue that you probably messed them in your mind. Not trying to be a smartass and that.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: KuroShiro on Sat 17/01/2009 06:41:57
Have to say, I tried it out and was very pleasantly surprised. The screenshots don't really do the product justice as the static screens make the characters look a lot more out of place than they do in the actual game, and of course the game itself is quite awesome. Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Sat 17/01/2009 10:10:26
I finally figured out how to win the dance contest, and now I got to Baker's Island, and finished the demo.  Brilliant work.   ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Sat 17/01/2009 15:27:55
Hi guys, thanks for all the comments,

I'll handle this all in one post.

DualNames

you probably misunderstood/I have a clue that you probably messed them in your mind
Yes sorry about that, not that your post was confusing, I think I must have been having a mental meltdown. You know how it is.
As for the talk cursor, I might be blind but it really doesn't seem like a microphone..if you put some black spots as holes might make it appear more like one. Or it's just me then
I've looked into this. The cursor perhaps does not appear quite like a microphone because of the size. So either I will slightly increase the actual size of the cursor (therefore increase the rest of the cursors) or, I will use a different sprite for the talk to cursor, or as you said, attempt to modify the original sprite, black spots as holes e.t.c.

Would it be difficult to put a Characters button next to talk to, walk to, look at, buttons (I'm speaking about the GUI that appears on the top of the screen), or add some hotkey for it?
Not entirely sure what you mean here, apologies if I seem ignorant.
Are you talking about the characters screen that can be accessed in the MENU from the GUI at the top?
Are you talking about Thindey's character screen alone?
I'm in the process of implementing a button which shows health, weapons, spells e.t.c. (If this isn't what you were talking about at all, apologies, but atleast it gives me an excuse to address this issue). It wasn't in the demo, because you couldn't attack anyone or get damaged (asside from actual death) but in the full version it plays a rather large part, I quickly threw together a screenshot to attempt to explain what I mean.

(http://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/3308/33087477415d0309a067da83f08ad8c930bd554.jpg)

This button is not going to look exactly like that, don't worry. But you get the idea. It brings up several details about the player character, (not too many, remembering that this is more a point and click adventure game, rather than an RPG) details such as health, weapons found and level of intoxicity (how drunk you are).

KuroShiro

Have to say, I tried it out and was very pleasantly surprised. The screenshots don't really do the product justice as the static screens make the characters look a lot more out of place than they do in the actual game, and of course the game itself is quite awesome. Keep up the great work!
Thankyou, glad you are enjoying it so far. ;D
Yes, I was aware that the screenshots weren't really doing the game justice and they did indeed show the characters out of place. I did add some videos on youtube showing some in game action, they still don't do the game complete justice, but I think they were better than screenshots.Whether this and the huge file size discouraged people to download and try, still remains a quandary. But you downloaded and tried/enjoyed it anyway so maybe that issue wasn't on too many people's minds ;D
Thanks for giving it a go and letting me know what you thought.

Frodo

I finally figured out how to win the dance contest, and now I got to Baker's Island, and finished the demo.  Brilliant work.

Thats great! ;D you may well be the first person to get that far. I hope it wasn't too tricky for you, I want the game to be challenging but still very doable. If you found a puzzle too difficult or stupid (in the: It didn't take any brain power just constant trial and error, awell as clicking everywhere to achieve a result) let me know and I'll consider changing it or making it easier. The first part of the game was meant to be a little 'easier' than the rest and at the same time bringing to light all the different things you can do in the game, kinda like an unofficial tutorial. Glad you enjoyed the demo, did you manage to find the red herring/wild goose chase (something to do with a wig).

Thanks for all the comments and ideas, much appreciated and I'll keep you all posted on any further developments.

Regards,

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Sat 17/01/2009 20:55:01
Quote from: Revonx on Sat 17/01/2009 15:27:55
Frodo

... did you manage to find the red herring/wild goose chase (something to do with a wig)...


Do you mean
Spoiler
Get credit card from komdom (good play on words, by the way) machine in the toilets, and use it in wig shop to buy a wig.  Now go along to the hairdresser, and he will cut your hair\wig, and give you hairspray.   ;)
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On a similar subject
Spoiler
Look at king's advisor, to see she has a sheep.  Ask her about it, and she will give it to you.  Now take sheep to hairdresser, and let him loose on the sheep.  He will give sheep a haircut, and get carried away.  He gives you wool and sheep remains.  Poor sheep.  Lol   ;D
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But don't forget to make granny happy.
Spoiler
Give sheep wool to granny, so you can get grandson, who deals with gingerbread men on Baker's Island.   :D
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Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Sat 17/01/2009 21:12:20
I'm talking about the charactes screen (the one that gets updated each time you examine a character)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Sun 18/01/2009 18:38:04
Frodo

Spoiler
Yes, thats pretty much it, if you give the loose hair (that you got from getting the wig cut) to the wigmeister he'll give you a sign, which by the way is completly useless. And indeed as I'm sure you've realised the wigmeister, himself, serves no purpose whatsoever to KOM (apart from entertainment) ;D The sheep had it coming, try giving the leftovers back to Krystal. Congratulations on completing the demo You're the first one to do it, achievement, much!
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Dualnames

There will be a hotkey, probably F8, for the characters screen. F6 for Save Game, F7 for load game e.t.c.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Sun 18/01/2009 19:30:27
Revonx, I had already dealt with Krystal.   :)

Spoiler
I gave her sheep remains, and she is shocked at what has become of her sheep friend.  She storms off in a huff, and the new king's advisor is......  Sharon!   ;D 
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Hilarious!   :D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Wed 18/02/2009 22:05:58
Just wondering if there was any update on this?    8)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Fri 20/02/2009 02:01:34
Quote from: Frodo on Wed 18/02/2009 22:05:58
Just wondering if there was any update on this?    8)


Its coming along, just slowly.....
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Fri 20/02/2009 09:03:49
Quote from: Revonx on Fri 20/02/2009 02:01:34
Quote from: Frodo on Wed 18/02/2009 22:05:58
Just wondering if there was any update on this?    8)


Its coming along, just slowly.....

He's moving along but very slowly 8)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: moo on Sun 08/03/2009 01:24:02
Hey there. I love kom n its awsome that ur doing a remake.

I've tried using that link/site to download the demo but it keeps telling me that its gonna take 20 or 30 hours to download then timing out after 5-10 mins.

Is there any chance of uploading it as a torrent? I'm sure there's a lot of people here that would seed it, me included.

Thanks
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Sun 08/03/2009 07:27:27
Quote from: moo on Sun 08/03/2009 01:24:02
Hey there. I love kom n its awsome thatyour doing a remake.

I've tried using that link/site to download the demo but it keeps telling me that its gonna take 20 or 30 hours to download then timing out after 5-10 mins.

Is there any chance of uploading it as a torrent? I'm sure there's a lot of people here that would seed it, me included.

Thanks

Hi,

You're The First Person To Have Problems With This. Not That I Don't Believe You, But I Did Download The File Myself Just Now, As I Do From Time To Time, To Check If Its Still Working, And It Is. It Should Take Nowhere Near 20 Hours, It Shouldn't Even Take 1. So I wonder If Either Megaupload Was Very Busy At The Time, Or  Your Computers Connection Was Acting Up. MegaUpload, Is One Of The Biggest, If Not THE Biggest Hosting Services On The Web. Are You Using Download Accelerators E.T.C? I Have Never Used Torrents Before, My Brother Had An Evil One Go All 'Teen Slasher' On His Computer, And I've Always Been Wary Of Them. So Try Again, And If The Same Problem Still Occurs I will Either Personally Send You The File, Or Upload It On Another Website.

Sorry For The Inconvenience,

Revonx.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: moo on Sun 08/03/2009 10:34:34
Quote from: Revonx on Sun 08/03/2009 07:27:27

Hi,

You're The First Person To Have Problems With This. Not That I Don't Believe You, But I Did Download The File Myself Just Now, As I Do From Time To Time, To Check If Its Still Working, And It Is. It Should Take Nowhere Near 20 Hours, It Shouldn't Even Take 1. So I wonder If Either Megaupload Was Very Busy At The Time, Or  Your Computers Connection Was Acting Up. MegaUpload, Is One Of The Biggest, If Not THE Biggest Hosting Services On The Web. Are You Using Download Accelerators E.T.C? I Have Never Used Torrents Before, My Brother Had An Evil One Go All 'Teen Slasher' On His Computer, And I've Always Been Wary Of Them. So Try Again, And If The Same Problem Still Occurs I will Either Personally Send You The File, Or Upload It On Another Website.

Sorry For The Inconvenience,

Revonx.

yeah ur right looks like the site was running slow, doing better today but not my much doing about 10k n says 3 hrs. Not using any download accelerators, I've never had the need to really.

Quote from: Revonx on Tue 16/09/2008 04:34:26
....

Sorry about the file size but it is a huge game, the demo in itself qualifies as a full AGS game. Do I dare say that, once finished, KOM will be the largest AGS game ever made?

I had to look around for a site that'd host such a large file, as I don't have one of my own. Does anyone have any suggestions for what to do for the full version? I estimate that the size will be around 1.2GB. I don't know if Adventuregamestudio.co.uk will support this.

....

Thats what made me think of torrents, figured if files r too big to put on sites then sharing them direct from ur pc via some p2p thing might be an option.

Thank you very much, I'm eagerly awaiting this demo download n looking forward to the finished game. Good luck with it n thanks.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: mkennedy on Wed 11/03/2009 05:08:31
In the original, was the gameplay any different between Sharon and Thidney? I wonder why Sharon won't be available to play as.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Wed 11/03/2009 22:05:51
In the original, the went about things slightly differently, and the solved problems differently.   ;)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Sun 15/03/2009 20:19:29
Quote from: mkennedy on Wed 11/03/2009 05:08:31
In the original, was the gameplay any different between Sharon and Thidney? I wonder why Sharon won't be available to play as.

Everything Was Very Similar, The Only Things That Really Differed Were Certain Dialogs, Certain Cutscenes And I Think Two Puzzles. There Was Not Much Point In Having Two Playable Characters, And Because I Changed The Story Almost Completly Sharon Became An NPC Rather Than An Actual Playable Character. Anyone Who Completed The Demo, Frodo Especially, Can Tell You, That You Do Actually Play As Sharon For One Puzzle In The Demo. Ifact In The Full Game, Some Puzzles Force You To Play As Several Different Characters, Including Goliath (That Dwarf Guy). But I'm Not Going To Give Away Too Much Just Yet.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Sun 15/03/2009 21:12:49
Quote from: Revonx on Sun 15/03/2009 20:19:29
Some Puzzles Force You To Play As Several Different Characters, Including Goliath (That Dwarf Guy). But I'm Not Going To Give Away Too Much Just Yet.

War!  War!   ;D
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Wed 22/04/2009 20:25:26
Quote from: Revonx on Sun 15/03/2009 20:19:29
Ifact In The Full Game, Some Puzzles Force You To Play As Several Different Characters, Including Goliath (That Dwarf Guy). But I'm Not Going To Give Away Too Much Just Yet.

So what other characters can you play as, apart from Goliath (which will be awesome)?   :)

I'm dying to play this game.   ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Wed 22/04/2009 21:52:30
Quote from: Frodo on Wed 22/04/2009 20:25:26
Quote from: Revonx on Sun 15/03/2009 20:19:29
Ifact In The Full Game, Some Puzzles Force You To Play As Several Different Characters, Including Goliath (That Dwarf Guy). But I'm Not Going To Give Away Too Much Just Yet.

So what other characters can you play as, apart from Goliath (which will be awesome)?   :)

I'm dying to play this game.   ;D


I Won't Say Just Yet, 1. Because I'd Like To Keep Some Things 'Hidden' For When The Games Completed And 2. I've Got All The Puzzles Down, But They May Change Slightly. For Example If You Remember From The Demo, 'The Pixie Puzzle' Has Changed, I Thought It Was Too Hard For The Early Stages Of The Game And Didn't Fit Very Well. The Game Is Getting There, I Think Its Coming Up To A Year In The Making Now, Can't Say When It Will Be Finished, Whenever I Think I'm Almost Done, I Realise Theres Further To Go. So, Sorry For The Long Wait, I'll keep You Updated.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Wed 22/04/2009 23:19:28
Well don't rush anything, just for the sake of getting it finished.  It's better to make sure you are completely satisfied with it all first.   :)

Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: xenogia on Thu 23/04/2009 02:04:12
Out of curiosity Revonx why don't you use the OGG Theora video codec instead of MPEG, not only will this hide the videos from the general player, it is more integrated with AGS and the file size is a lot smaller (quality is the same if not better).
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Thu 23/04/2009 03:51:24
Quote from: Xenogia on Thu 23/04/2009 02:04:12
Out of curiosity Revonx why don't you use the OGG Theora video codec instead of MPEG, not only will this hide the videos from the general player, it is more integrated with AGS and the file size is a lot smaller (quality is the same if not better).

I Actually Am Using That Very Format Now That I've Upgraded To AGS 3.1.2, DualNames Pointed That Out To Me In A Previous Post. But Thankyou For The Advice All The Same :)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: xenogia on Thu 23/04/2009 07:22:12
Ahh oops, I just noticed MPEG on the first post.  Should have read through them all before posting.. lol
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Thu 23/04/2009 23:49:08
Quote from: Revonx on Thu 23/04/2009 03:51:24
Quote from: Xenogia on Thu 23/04/2009 02:04:12
Out of curiosity Revonx why don't you use the OGG Theora video codec instead of MPEG, not only will this hide the videos from the general player, it is more integrated with AGS and the file size is a lot smaller (quality is the same if not better).

I Actually Am Using That Very Format Now That I've Upgraded To AGS 3.1.2, DualNames Pointed That Out To Me In A Previous Post. But Thankyou For The Advice All The Same :)

Great to see you're doing that.. ;)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: KissTheSky on Mon 25/05/2009 11:24:52
Nice demo!  I loved the original KOM when it came out, found this when I was looking for a way to play it on XP.  I like the way you've changed some of the dialogue but kept the same style of humour.

I find it hard to remember now exactly how the original went, which should make the puzzles more interesting for me in the new version!  As I read through the dialogue I was trying to remember what was original and what was new - are all the old black and white video clips from the original?  I didn't recognise some of them.

How's the full version coming along?

PS is it possible to play the demo in full-screen mode?  Couldn't find any way to do it.

PPS is this legal?  ;)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Peder 🚀 on Wed 27/05/2009 07:46:03
When the full game is done I will gladly host it :).
I gotta use all this bandwidth and webspace for something! hehe :P.

Also its looking very good!
Ive never played the original but I will for sure try this out when its done :).
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Wed 27/05/2009 14:43:54
I, for one, am very much looking forward to the full game.   ;D
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Frodo on Thu 18/06/2009 01:45:29
So... any progress on this?   :)

Do you plan to release any more demos for it?   8)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Thu 18/06/2009 14:44:27
Quote from: Frodo on Thu 18/06/2009 01:45:29
So... any progress on this?   :)

Do you plan to release any more demos for it?   8)


Revonx was last online on May I suggest you send him a mail(adress on signature)
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Sat 20/06/2009 13:11:23
Hi, sorry for the lack of contact. Very busy at the moment, (you know what its like in the UK at the moment) so no major changes in progress. I'll try to keep you posted over the next few months.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Revonx on Sat 20/06/2009 13:12:42
Quote from: Peder Johnsen on Wed 27/05/2009 07:46:03
When the full game is done I will gladly host it :).
I gotta use all this bandwidth and webspace for something! hehe :P.

Also its looking very good!
Ive never played the original but I will for sure try this out when its done :).

Thankyou for the generous offer, I'd love for you to host it.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Dualnames on Mon 22/06/2009 09:38:17
Quote from: Revonx on Sat 20/06/2009 13:11:23
Hi, sorry for the lack of contact. Very busy at the moment, (you know what its like in the UK at the moment) so no major changes in progress. I'll try to keep you posted over the next few months.

For a brief time, you got me scared!! >:(

Good to know you're back.
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: chrono2002 on Fri 08/01/2010 21:07:25
pardon me for an offtopic
but does anybody know what song is playing at KOM intro?
thanks
Title: Re: Kingdom O' Magic (Remake) --- Updated
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Sat 09/01/2010 00:54:43
chorono2002 - read the forum rules before digging up more long-dead threads.

revonx - if you're still working on this and want to post an update let me know (PM) and I'll unlock it.