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Title: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 13 Mar 2017, 23:07
Let's play crime riddles in here!
Some of you guys may know the game principle from the playing cards series called "Black Stories".

The rules are:

1. The narrator gives a short version of the case he has in mind.
2. You can ask everything, but the person with a case can only say "Yes", "No" or "maybe/not relevant"
3. You can try to give an answer in one or two small sentences which is either "Correct" or "Wrong"
4. There is only one solution (because a person can't die in two different ways (roll))


Let's get killing!

"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on his last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 13 Mar 2017, 23:14
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Mar 2017, 23:32
How many other people were in the train with him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 13 Mar 2017, 23:56
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 14 Mar 2017, 01:09
was he murdered?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 14 Mar 2017, 01:55
Was the train guard also dead?

("found dead by the train guard")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 14 Mar 2017, 06:23
Was he shot?

@Mandle
How many other people were in the train...
(laugh) yes (nod)
... with him?
(wrong) no (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Mar 2017, 06:32
Ah, good point Tabby... I'll rephrase:

Were there other people in the train with him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 14 Mar 2017, 11:19
Was he stabbed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 14 Mar 2017, 22:28
8 replies? Are you guys crazy? Okay Okay... Let's sort this out:

CaptainD: Was there something dangerous in the train wagon? NOPE
Mandle: How many other people were in the train with him? HAHAHAHAHA
Gurok: Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.) YES
Selmiak: was he murdered? NOPE
Stupot+: Was the train guard also dead? NOPE (damn english. I would use "beside" in that case ;) )
Tabata: Was he shot? NOPE
Mandle: Were there other people in the train with him? Perhaps. It's irrelevant
Danvzare: See Selmiak --> NOPE
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 14 Mar 2017, 22:50
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?  (roll)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 14 Mar 2017, 22:55
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 14 Mar 2017, 23:05
Did he get off before the last station?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 14 Mar 2017, 23:17
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 14 Mar 2017, 23:32
Is this wording deliberate and significant?

"when the train is on his last station"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Mar 2017, 23:59
Did he have a heart attack?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 15 Mar 2017, 03:24
Did he have a valid ticket?
Is it a suicide?

@Kumpel
I love those black stories. Thank you for starting this thread. :kiss:
Please allow me to recommend a little change:
It's not necessary to read who asked what but to know what is right or wrong. The way it is sorted now it is nearly impossible to follow the thread.
So I'd like to recommend sorting the questions and list them in blocks for yes (nod), no (wrong) and doesn't matter (wtf). That way you avoid double asked questions (like we have already) and it will be much easier for all of us to follow the game. Also new riddlers easily can 'jump in' after just reading the last answer of you/the host.
You know what I mean? Like it is done over here (http://www.adventure-treff.de/forum/13/13801?start=3780). You could always copy and paste your last version and complete it with the new questions.

@Mandle
Sorry my dear! I just couldn't resist. :kiss:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: AnasAbdin on 15 Mar 2017, 04:17
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 15 Mar 2017, 05:39
Was he the train driver?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 15 Mar 2017, 11:27
Was he found dead in the train?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 15 Mar 2017, 15:20
Was the dead man a criminal?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 15 Mar 2017, 17:19
As Tabata suggested I am now changing the layout for better readability and playability. Updated questions are bold.

CASE #1:
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on its* last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"

*changed the word his to its.[/b]

YES
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Did he have a heart attack?
Was he found dead in the train?



NO
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Was he murdered/shot?
Was the train guard also dead?
Did he get off before the last station?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is this wording deliberate and significant? "when the train is on his last station" (JUST BAD ENGLISH :P SEE NOTE BELOW THE CASE)
Is it a suicide?
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?


Irrelevant
Were there other people in the train with him?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Was the dead man a criminal?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 15 Mar 2017, 17:23
Is the train intact technically?
Will it help us solving the story by knowing what "A-town" is?
Did he know he wouldn't reach home alive?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 15 Mar 2017, 17:36
If he wasn't murdered and it wasn't an accident, did he die of natural causes?

Was the "last station" when he was found the same trip that he got on?

Did the trip last more than, let's say, a day?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 15 Mar 2017, 18:14
@Snarky: there is already a yes on heart attack so we have to find out what caused this?!

Was he frightened to death and this cause the heart attack?
Did another person cause the heart attack?
Did an animal cause the heart attack?
Did the heart attack kille him after all?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 15 Mar 2017, 20:35
CASE #1:
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on its* last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"

*changed the word his to its.[/b]

YES
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Was he found dead in the train?
If he wasn't murdered and it wasn't an accident, did he die of natural causes?
Did he have a heart attack?
Was he frightened to death and this cause the heart attack?
Did the heart attack kill him after all?



NO
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Was he murdered/shot?
Was the train guard also dead?
Did he get off before the last station?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is this wording deliberate and significant? "when the train is on his last station" (JUST BAD ENGLISH :P SEE NOTE BELOW THE CASE)
Is it a suicide?
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?
Will it help us solving the story by knowing what "A-town" is?
Did he know he wouldn't reach home alive?
Was the "last station" when he was found the same trip that he got on?
Is the train intact technically?
Did another person cause the heart attack?
Did an animal cause the heart attack?


Irrelevant
Were there other people in the train with him?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Was the dead man a criminal?
Did the trip last more than, let's say, a day?

[/quote]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 15 Mar 2017, 20:46
Was he like 100 years old?
Is the heart attack a squirrel?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 15 Mar 2017, 20:51
Hmm - now what can cause a heart attack for a healthy human ... (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140718/soke6hzq.gif)

Was he sleeping when the train drove into a tunnel, woke up and thought that he got blind because the lights didn't work?

Did he get a phonecall/message that gave him the heart attack?

Has he gone along the dining waggon and saw what they prepared for lunch? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 15 Mar 2017, 21:04
CASE #1:
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on its* last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"

*changed the word his to its.[/b]

YES
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Was he found dead in the train?
If he wasn't murdered and it wasn't an accident, did he die of natural causes?
Did he have a heart attack?
Was he frightened to death and this cause the heart attack?
Did the heart attack kill him after all?
Was he sleeping when the train drove into a tunnel, woke up and thought that he got blind because the lights didn't work? (NOT THE WHOLE SOLUTION)



NO
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Was he murdered/shot?
Was the train guard also dead?
Did he get off before the last station?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is this wording deliberate and significant? "when the train is on his last station" (JUST BAD ENGLISH :P SEE NOTE BELOW THE CASE)
Is it a suicide?
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?
Will it help us solving the story by knowing what "A-town" is?
Did he know he wouldn't reach home alive?
Was the "last station" when he was found the same trip that he got on?
Is the train intact technically?
Did another person cause the heart attack?
Did an animal cause the heart attack?
Was he like 100 years old?
Is the heart attack a squirrel? (NO SQUIRRELS IN THIS THREAD!)
Did he get a phonecall/message that gave him the heart attack?
Has he gone along the dining waggon and saw what they prepared for lunch?


Irrelevant
Were there other people in the train with him?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Was the dead man a criminal?
Did the trip last more than, let's say, a day?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 15 Mar 2017, 21:25
When the train went into a tunnel did he touch something that gave him the heart attack?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 15 Mar 2017, 21:37
Well, in this story he's usually a blind man who's just had an operation to make him see, and when the train goes in the tunnel he either dies of fright or commits suicide. So is that the solution, or is there even more to it?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 16 Mar 2017, 02:56
Well, in this story he's usually a blind man who's just had an operation to make him see, and when the train goes in the tunnel he either dies of fright or commits suicide. So is that the solution, or is there even more to it?
)
Was he sleeping when the train drove into a tunnel, woke up and thought that he got blind because the lights didn't work?
Snarkys reply, combined with Tabatas half solution, that's exactly it!

@Snarky: But it sounds like you knew the story. So maybe for future investigations those who know the circumstances of the events could give the unkown ones a chance to find it out themselves.

CASE #1 CLOSED
Leading detectives
GERMAN KRIMINALKOMMMISARIN TABATA & NORWEGIAN KRIMINALASSISTENT SNARKY
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 16 Mar 2017, 03:04
Umm... so what's the process now? Are you going to open a new case or should Tabata/Snarky open one?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 16 Mar 2017, 03:15
Open for use from now on (You can use my design if you want). Whoever has a case for us. Feel free to jump in, But Tabata/Snarky should have the right of first response, I guess.

If no one is doing it, I'll do another one in 2 days.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 16 Mar 2017, 03:23
Shouldn't I at least get a "Head Coroner Mandle" title or something for discovering the cause of death? (laugh)

Also, if I may make a suggestion: I think it's probably best if we try to steer away from these famous lateral thinking riddles because, being adventure game fans, I would say that most people here have at some point heard pretty much all of them.

I think this game would be just as fun without the fancy trick questions all the time and people could just make up their own crime situations to be solved. If they can include an original trick that's great, but even just an everyday mafia hit or witness killing or whatever will still be entertaining I feel.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 16 Mar 2017, 06:28
I'd need some days to come up with an own story, (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/9l3ydd2y.gif)
so please take this fairly well known story, so to speak, as an easy intermediate meal for to get the thread running.

In case there are no questions until I am back from work or even better - if Snarky already has a selfmade story in mind – just start it.
(I'll modify this post afterwards not to confuse the participants if you have a real "Case 2" started :wink:)

They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 16 Mar 2017, 06:49
I actually haven't heard this one before so I'm going to participate:

Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 16 Mar 2017, 10:07
No, I don't have anything in mind. Maybe I'll try to come up with something.

Were the people shot?
Were the cards playing cards?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 16 Mar 2017, 11:36
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 16 Mar 2017, 11:43
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
did the dead bodies have money on them, in other words was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 16 Mar 2017, 11:47
Did all three die of the same causes?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 16 Mar 2017, 17:49
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot? 


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?     


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …     



(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140718/hnuydoxu.gif)
„Were the cards playing cards?“
Ahem – pardon? Neither me nor Google translate understand the question, sorry.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Edit:
I googled a bit more and might have found about the meaning.
They didn't play a kind of fortune-telling game and there were no tarot cards involved.
So I placed it now in the list for "no".
In case I still didn't get what you meant, Snarky, please tell me.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 16 Mar 2017, 18:11
I guess you can have post cards, thank you cards, "I'm going to murder you" cards...  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 16 Mar 2017, 18:17
They each drew a card and the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun, but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two, then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 17 Mar 2017, 04:57
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Mar 2017, 05:05
Don't worry Tabby... it took me a few reads to understand "Were the cards playing cards?" and I'm a native english speaker.

I had an image of the cards sitting around a table holding hands of smaller cards... :-[
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 17 Mar 2017, 06:38
@Cassiebsg
"I'm going to murder you" cards ...(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120922/alren33c.gif)
That might become a nice idea for one of our little competitions. (laugh)

@Mandle
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/3y5lghpp.gif)Thank you!
Your image is exactly what came to my mind, too.  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/sweetim-signs-stuff/6915.gif)
@all investigators
If you want me to give a little hint like one extra information just ask for it – I might add a little extra fact for you. :wink:

(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!


CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?     


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …     

(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 17 Mar 2017, 08:09
@Tabby - Unless otherwise specified, "playing cards" generally refers to these traditional suited cards used for poker, blackjack and close-up magic tricks:

(http://pngimg.com/uploads/cards/cards_PNG8471.png)

Was one of the three people a magician?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Mar 2017, 08:38
I'm guessing they were playing a card game, but one of them used to be a wild west gunslinger. So when the game started and someone said "DRAW!" (as in "draw a card") he instinctively pulled out his gun and shot the other two men dead from force of habit. Realizing what he had done he shot himself from the guilt.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 17 Mar 2017, 11:38
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?

I want to cover my bases. :-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 17 Mar 2017, 15:35
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 17 Mar 2017, 16:27
@Mandle: Can't be. at least one of them did not die by a gun.

Were there still bullets in the gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 17 Mar 2017, 16:54
@ Watson Mandle
Since you didn't post a question I'll I assign it as a solution attempt that – as Kumpel stated correctly – is impossible because it doesn't fit the already ascertained facts.
So you'll get a   (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/szix38ic.gif)


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 
Did any of the three shoot themselves? 


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?       


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …     


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 17 Mar 2017, 18:54
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 17 Mar 2017, 18:57
Did one of them shot himself?
If so, was it an accident?
Or was it a suicide?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Mar 2017, 21:08
I'm guessing they were playing a card game, but one of them used to be a wild west gunslinger. So when the game started and someone said "DRAW!" (as in "draw a card") he instinctively pulled out his gun and shot the other two men dead from force of habit. Realizing what he had done he died from a heart attack.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 17 Mar 2017, 21:11
Mandle, did you hit re-submit???  ???

BTW, I have a feeling I knew the solution to this riddle... but can't remember it.  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Mar 2017, 22:19
Mandle, did you hit re-submit???  ???

No, I changed the part that didn't fit the facts (nod)

But it still doesn't fit the facts now that I look again so please ignore it and:

Here's my new guess(es) at the solution:

VERSION #1
They were playing a game where they each draw a card and whoever gets a certain card (for example an Ace) must shoot themself.
Mr. A shuffled the deck and spread the cards out on the table
Everyone drew a card
Mr. B looked at his card: The ace of spades
Mr. B shot himself
Mr. C looked at his card, but it was also the ace of spades
Realizing Mr. A was using a rigged deck that contained only aces Mr. C choked Mr. A to death
Mr. C died from a heart attack caused by all the excitement and exertion

VERSION #2
They were playing a game where they each draw a card and whoever gets a certain card (for example an Ace) must shoot themself.
Mr. A shuffled the deck and spread the cards out on the table
Everyone drew a card
Mr. B looked at his card: An ace
Mr. B shot himself
Mr. C looked at his card, but it was also an ace
Suspecting Mr. A was using a rigged deck that contained only aces Mr. C choked Mr. A to death
After killing Mr. A, Mr C. checked the rest of the cards and found that it was actually a normal deck
Mr. C died from a heart attack brought on by the shock of killing Mr. A in cold blood

(Or something like that... Something about one of them getting busted for cheating feels right...)

So also a question in the likely event my solution is not right:

Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 17 Mar 2017, 22:43
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 18 Mar 2017, 01:09
I want to clarify...
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Mar 2017, 01:47
That's what I asked! ... I don't think I ever got an answer, though.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 18 Mar 2017, 03:48
He already has:
Were the cards playing cards?
 in the "No group" so they are not playing cards.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 18 Mar 2017, 04:41
@ Mandle
              (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/aqf4eexd.gif)

It is near to impossible to fit all the facts right now because not all of the circumstances have been revealed.
You are missing some urgent informations to get it solved at this point


@ Snarky
Sorry for the confusion on my side, Snarky.
It would have helped if you  clarified the meaning of your question when I asked about that.
But nonetheless your cards playing cards is sorted/listed as soon as I found a meaning - just reread the „no“-list to find it.


@ all
So to clarify the aspect about the cards for all I'd like to tell you that it doesn't matter what kind of cards game was played.
They just needed to decide about a winner and everyone took a card from a dek (of whatever kind).

Note to self: Next time let them use matches instead of cards in that story.  (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/130305/f4y8sho9.gif)


@ Cassiebsg
You will remember that one for sure! We just need someone to come up with the right questions.  :wink:


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide? 


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)       


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?     


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 18 Mar 2017, 06:21
That's what I asked! ... I don't think I ever got an answer, though.
He already has:
Were the cards playing cards?
 in the "No group" so they are not playing cards.
I was just trying to clarify the point because it seemed confused, but I guess it's irrelevant what kind of cards they were, after all.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Mar 2017, 07:16
@ Mandle
              (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/aqf4eexd.gif)

It is near to impossible to fit all the facts right now because not all of the circumstances have been revealed.
You are missing some urgent informations to get it solved at this point

I figured it was worth a try and that if I was close in some way it might have helped...

Oh well, it was still fun trying to tailor my solution to the available facts so far...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 18 Mar 2017, 08:11
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 18 Mar 2017, 08:17
That's what I asked! ... I don't think I ever got an answer, though.
He already has:
Were the cards playing cards?
 in the "No group" so they are not playing cards.
I was just trying to clarify the point because it seemed confused, but I guess it's irrelevant what kind of cards they were, after all.

Uhm.. now I'm confused... if it's irrelevant what kind of cards they were, why is it Were the cards playing cards? on the No list?  ???

...

Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Mar 2017, 08:55
@ Snarky
Sorry for the confusion on my side, Snarky.
It would have helped if you  clarified the meaning of your question when I asked about that.

I thought Cassiebsg explained it in the following post, and then Stupot+ more explicitly further down.
 
No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were the cards playing cards?


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?

Hold on! This is the same question with two different answers...

Anyway:
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 18 Mar 2017, 09:05

Did the person who was shot die before the two others?

@Snarky: So you think only one was shot and the other two commited suicide? Interesting 8-0

Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 18 Mar 2017, 09:35
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140717/vfnv8vkj.gif) My dear investigators
I think its the right time for giving a hint towards another direction.
I have spared neither costs nor effort to get a photo of the evidence in question.
So for all of you who want to see the cards found in that room
please take a peek … (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/cm9czqh8.gif) (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/db/42/f8/db42f80933e17925bf1bfb2a8d2d30cc.jpg)

Hope that won't give away too much but wanted to excuse somehow for the confusion that I caused by my bad english knowledge.
Until the latest explanations I still thought of a fortune-telling cards game and didn't realize that it simply was the question
about what kind of cards have been found. 
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140718/pao46a4o.gif)  So I placed the 'playing cards' in the 'yes'-list now
(even if it doesn't matter what kind of cards it was – but it feels right that way).

(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?       


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?     


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Mar 2017, 09:41

Did the person who was shot die before the two others?

@Snarky: So you think only one was shot and the other two commited suicide? Interesting 8-0

We know that one person shot themselves, and that it's not the case that one person shot the two others. I suppose it would have been possible that one person shot one of the others, then themselves, and the last person died of some other cause, but it seemed simpler to assume that the suicide was the only shooting. As is now confirmed.

Did the other two people kill each other?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 18 Mar 2017, 10:36
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 18 Mar 2017, 11:01
Was the room locked?
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 18 Mar 2017, 11:04
Was there an explosion of any kind?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 18 Mar 2017, 11:38
Were there cards by each body?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 18 Mar 2017, 14:08
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 18 Mar 2017, 14:31
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Was the room locked?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Was there an explosion of any kind?
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?   


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?     


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Were there cards by each body? (Just pin-ups are pictured – like to be seen on the image)
Were there cards at each body?  (No, they lay them back afterwards)   


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!


I'm starting to get a playing card phobia … (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/xwot8xuo.gif)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: janleht on 18 Mar 2017, 14:50
Were more people involved than three?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Mar 2017, 15:25
Did the other two people die from the same cause?
Did one or both of the other two also kill themselves?
Did they know ahead of time that they would all die?
Were they using the cards to "draw lots" (decide at random who was going to do something)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 18 Mar 2017, 16:52
Was at least one of the persons blindfolded?
Did the gun/the bullet inside explode in some way that was not intended by the shooter?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 07:13
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Was the room locked?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Was there an explosion of any kind? (but not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
Did the other two people die from the same cause?
Did they know ahead of time that they would all die?
Were they using the cards to "draw lots" (decide at random who was going to do something)?
   


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
Were more people involved than three? (not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Did one or both of the other two also kill themselves?
Was at least one of the persons blindfolded?
Did the gun/the bullet inside explode in some way that was not intended by the shooter?     


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Were there cards by each body? (Just pin-ups are pictured – like to be seen on the image)
Were there cards at each body?  (No, they lay them back afterwards)   


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 19 Mar 2017, 08:33
Was there a window(s) in the room?
Could the window be opened?
Was the window big enough to be crawled out by the dead people.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 08:34
I have a theory:

The three were stuck inside a mine tunnel that collapsed after an explosion. Without food, they eventually drew lots with the cards to decide who would kill themselves. So one person shot himself, and the other two ate that person. Finally, the two others eventually died of starvation.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 09:03
@ Snarky
A really, really good theory, considering how little has been disclosed so far.
You seem to have experience - go on like this and we soon have a new Sherlok.
But sadly I have to place your good theory    (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/n3h6s73d.gif)


@ Cassiebgs
I didn't forget you. Your questions will be sorted when I post the next update of the complete list.   :-*


             (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140802/ajuz4yn8.gif)
I thought it is a scenario most of you know so it wouldn't be that hard (also not too hard for me to do in english).   (roll)
For beginners this is not the easiest way to get in touch with those riddles.

Well, I tried to help a bit with those little 'extensions' of your questions (to place them
somewhere useful instead of where they belong if taken purely) and not to forget that pic of evidence.  :wink:

Since it doesn't seem to help that much so far, I want to recommend you:
First  find out which kind of death you are dealing with (to get a fixed direction what to go for).

Right now you just know about one of them (the one who shot himself like Snarky stated correct).
There are some more very helpful 'yes-' and 'no-questions' already.
But right now, without knowing what they all died from, those are rather irritating.

Hope you will have a bit of fun while solving the case …  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/8oggs32l.gif)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 09:48
But sadly I have to place your good theory    (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/n3h6s73d.gif)

Oh well... but maybe some elements of the theory can be salvaged.

Quote
Since it doesn't seem to help that much so far, I want to recommend you:
First  find out which kind of death you are dealing with (to get a fixed direction what to go for).

Right now you just know about one of them (the one who shot himself like Snarky stated correct).
There are some more very helpful 'yes-' and 'no-questions' already.
But right now, without knowing what they all died from, those are rather irritating.

OK:

Were they able to get out of the room they were in?
Did the one person kill themselves to give the others a hope of survival?
Did the "winner" of the card drawing get to kill themselves with the gun so they didn't have to die some other way?
Did any of them die of hunger or thirst?
Did any of them die from lack of air?
Did any of them have (or think they had) a dangerous disease?
Did any of them die of radiation poisoning?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 19 Mar 2017, 10:35
Was magic involved?
Were they people related to one another?
Had the door been locked from the outside?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 19 Mar 2017, 12:09
Were the persons aboard a ship?
Were the persons sailors?
were the persons castaways?
Were they found in a lifeboat?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 14:02
Oh well... but maybe some elements of the theory can be salvaged.
  definitely  (nod)

(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ... 
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Was the room locked?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Was there an explosion of any kind? (but not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
Did the other two people die from the same cause?
Did they know ahead of time that they would all die?
Were they using the cards to "draw lots" (decide at random who was going to do something)?
Did the "winner" of the card drawing get to kill themselves with the gun ...
Did any of them die from lack of air?
Were they people related to one another? (relationship)
Were the persons aboard a ship? (a special kind of - and its usually more referred to as "boat" rather than as "ship")
Were the persons sailors?     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot? 
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
Were more people involved than three? (not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Did one or both of the other two also kill themselves?
Was at least one of the persons blindfolded?
Did the gun/the bullet inside explode in some way that was not intended by the shooter?
Was there a window(s) in the room?
Could the window be opened?
Were they able to get out of the room they were in?
Did the one person kill themselves to give the others a hope of survival?
Did the "winner" of the card drawing get to kill themselves with the gun so they didn't have to die some other way?
Did any of them die of hunger or thirst?
Did any of them have (or think they had) a dangerous disease?
Did any of them die of radiation poisoning?
Was magic involved?
Were they people related to one another? (no relatives)
Had the door been locked from the outside?
were the persons castaways?
Were they found in a lifeboat?     


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Were there cards by each body? (Just pin-ups are pictured – like to be seen on the image)
Were there cards at each body?  (No, they lay them back afterwards)
Was the window big enough to be crawled out by the dead people. (he, he, he - even if they had a window - there are no Zombies involved) :wink:     


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 14:09
Were they in a submarine?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 14:14
Were they in a submarine?
(nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) now give it to me, baby  :-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 14:28
Well, I guess the submarine had sunk, run out of power, or perhaps sprung a leak, and they all knew they were going to suffocate (or possibly drown). They only had one gun with one bullet, so to decide who would get the easy way out, they drew cards. The winner shot himself, while the other two died slowly.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 14:34
The case is solved now and I declare Snarky the winner
… and therefore the one with the prerogative to present the next case.


(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/2of3thj2.gif) 

Here's my original solution for case # 2:
A heavily damaged submarine drowned and in the last intact room there are three persons still alive but going to suffocate because the oxygen reserves will soon be consumed. There's no hope for (even one of them) to be saved in time. Since the only available revolver has just one bullet left, they play cards for the privilege to shoot themself.

Case #2 solved and closed!   (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/ap878va5.gif)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 14:41
All right! Good one, Tabatha.

I've thought of one, too. It's a little different (it's not originally a riddle), but hopefully it'll work...

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 14:49
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 15:25
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 19 Mar 2017, 18:10
Quote
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
What is Not-Human and wears colths/aprons? (wtf)


Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 19 Mar 2017, 18:33
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one died of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron died of starvation?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 18:38
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?



@ Kumpel
What is Not-Human and wears colths/aprons? (wtf)
A robot for example ... also this one might be a human ... just not all of them are.   :wink:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Mar 2017, 19:46
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough)

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 19 Mar 2017, 20:22
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 19 Mar 2017, 22:27
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?

I've got a theory: The person in the apron was having a barbecue with the two others. They both died a long time ago but every year this person inflates two dolls in their image and has a barbecue with them to commemorate their passing. Unfortunately the dolls were filled with hydrogen and a flame from the barbecue licked one of the dolls causing an explosion which "killed" them all.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 19 Mar 2017, 22:54
Are any of them food products?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Mar 2017, 00:42
I've got a theory: The person in the apron was having a barbecue with the two others. They both died a long time ago but every year this person inflates two dolls in their image and has a barbecue with them to commemorate their passing. Unfortunately the dolls were filled with hydrogen and a flame from the barbecue licked one of the dolls causing an explosion which "killed" them all.

(wtf) (wtf) (wtf) (wrong) (laugh)

Wrong.

Figuring out the nature of the victims is probably the most promising approach at this point, though you'll also need to figure out what sort of activity was taking place. You already have some clues to pursue both lines of inquiry.

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal? (on consideration, I suppose this is debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Mar 2017, 00:59
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Was it a family of elves? dwarves? fairies?

Were two of them married?
Father and mother?
Was there a child?

Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
If yes, had they already arrived when the three died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Mar 2017, 01:13
Is cannibalism involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 20 Mar 2017, 02:04
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they die the same time?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 20 Mar 2017, 02:26
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Mar 2017, 05:06
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. The father died and is in his coffin in a suit. Mother was cooking the food for the guests who would soon be arriving, hence the apron. When the son came downstairs in his own suit the mother mistook him for her dead husband in the gloom of the parlor. She keeled over from shock and died. The son was so grief-stricken at losing both parents and also to have been part of the cause that he killed himself.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 20 Mar 2017, 05:37
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. ...
... but isn't that a typical human thing? I am still puzzeled what kind of non-human beings we have here.   (wtf)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 20 Mar 2017, 06:21
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. ...
... but isn't that a typical human thing? I am still puzzeled what kind of non-human beings we have here.   (wtf)
He is an ex-human.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Mar 2017, 07:47
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. The father died and is in his coffin in a suit. Mother was cooking the food for the guests who would soon be arriving, hence the apron. When the son came downstairs in his own suit the mother mistook him for her dead husband in the gloom of the parlor. She keeled over from shock and died. The son was so grief-stricken at losing both parents and also to have been part of the cause that he killed himself.

Wrong. I don't think you have enough information to make an educated guess yet, unless you recognize the source of the riddle (which, remember, isn't originally a riddle); and most of you probably aren't familiar with it.

Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Was it a family of elves? dwarves? fairies?

Aha! But here it gets a little tricky. To me, for example, elves and fairies are usually the same thing, and in some folklore (e.g. Icelandic) dwarfs and fairies are interchangeable. Issues like these are relevant here. I'm going to stick to the common modern understanding, however.

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Is cannibalism involved?


No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?


Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 20 Mar 2017, 08:38
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they trolls?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?

By the way, thanks Kumpel. This is a fun thread :-)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 20 Mar 2017, 09:29
Are we dealing with mythical creatures (i.e. cyclops)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Mar 2017, 09:47
I'll jump in quickly because of a major clue:

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they trolls?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?


No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)


Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 20 Mar 2017, 11:07
Were they killed by the person of people they were trying to eat?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Mar 2017, 11:50
Sounds like a family of trolls where the child troll was trying to eat the parents.
Was the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Mar 2017, 12:33
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Did (at least)one die by petrification?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 20 Mar 2017, 12:37
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died.
Or
Were they dressed after death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Mar 2017, 13:41
Sounds like a family of trolls where the child troll was trying to eat the parents.

Taking this as an offered solution: Incorrect. (wrong) Note that one of the victims did not kill the other two.

You've got a lot of it figured out now. I'm going to want a reasonably on-target explanation of how they were killed to accept a solution.

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they trolls?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
Were they killed by the person of people they were trying to eat?
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?


No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)


Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 20 Mar 2017, 14:19
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Mar 2017, 14:46
This is not totally meant as a guess to the puzzle, however it does fit all the clues as far as I know, but still unsure of what kind of "feast" it was.
The father troll was abusive so the mother troll poisoned him and tried to cook him.
The offspring troll saw what the mother did to his dad so he killed the mother (stabbing/shooting don't know).
Then the offspring troll wanting food ate the father troll and died from the poison.

no need to respond, just throwing out ideas. however question.
did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Mar 2017, 16:24
This is not totally meant as a guess to the puzzle, however it does fit all the clues as far as I know
Quote
The father troll was abusive so the mother troll poisoned him and tried to cook him.
The offspring troll saw what the mother did to his dad so he killed the mother (stabbing/shooting don't know).
Then the offspring troll wanting food ate the father troll and died from the poison.

Incorrect. (It doesn't fit the answer that none of them died by poison.)

still unsure of what kind of "feast" it was.

Isn't that pretty much explained by the answers so far? Maybe I'm not seeing some alternative interpretation...

To possibly make the case clearer, I'll try something different in the organization of answers:

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


The Victims:

Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?

No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?

Superseded clues:
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
The Context:

Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?

No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)

Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")

The Deaths:

Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?

No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Mar 2017, 16:38
Was the feast some special occasion?
and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 20 Mar 2017, 17:18
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (Día de muertos)?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 20 Mar 2017, 19:05
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 20 Mar 2017, 21:33
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Mar 2017, 22:13
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


Yes (nod)
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?

No (wrong)
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (Día de muertos)?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion? (depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)
and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case? (I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)

Stuff you already know:
The Victims:

Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?

No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?

Superseded clues:
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
The Context:

Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?

No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)

Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")

The Deaths:

Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?

No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Mar 2017, 23:25
Solution

Ahhhhh...! It's the scene from The Hobbit where the three trolls are going to eat Bilbo but argue so much that the sun comes up and turns them to stone!


Bugger.... No it's not... :(

Question: Is this story from Beowulf?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 20 Mar 2017, 23:30
@mandle: sun->stone is off the table already...

Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 20 Mar 2017, 23:42
Were they killed by a billy goat?

(Thanks, dayowlron, for noticing my typo)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 21 Mar 2017, 01:22
What is a billy boat?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 21 Mar 2017, 02:09
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily?
Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition (not because food is needed/rare)?
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 21 Mar 2017, 08:18
Many of you seem to have gotten stuck on a wrong track (though a couple of questions at least make the right fundamental assumption), and I'm not sure why. There's an answer from a while back that I thought for sure would pretty much give away the whole thing. I think perhaps you're overthinking it, or maybe getting hung up on some minor detail that doesn't seem to fit with the obvious solution? I recommend you go through the answers so far and look for ones that provide definite information. It should be enough to propose a partial theory (a sort of "police report" of what you know about the case, leaving out the things you don't yet understand), and once I have confirmed that you can start filling in the details.

Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?



Yes (nod)
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking? (in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)

No (wrong)
Is this story from Beowulf?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
Were they killed by a billy boat? ;)
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily? (not exactly...)
Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition?
Did the parents have to die because food is needed/rare?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked? (intended by whom?)
(This is the same ambiguity that makes Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process? unanswerable, BTW)


Stuff you already know:
The Victims:

Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?

No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?

Superseded clues:
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
The Context:

Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?

No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (Día de muertos)?

Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion? (depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)
and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case? (I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)

The Deaths:

Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?

No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 21 Mar 2017, 10:13
Is the killer possibly still alive?
Was the crime scene staged by the real killer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 21 Mar 2017, 10:37
Did the cook get murdered because he choose the wrong 'food'?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 21 Mar 2017, 10:43
Okay I got a serious problem with:
Quote
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
and
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Is cannibalism involved?
Because of these two I always thought "people" is refering to the three dead trolls you are mentioning in the story, but now I think none of the trolls were cooked, but other "people".

Was the person they tried to cook a human?
Is it relevant to know who/what the person is that survived?
Were more than the four involved?
Is the number of overall involved people relevant?


And we still dont know how the trolls got killed.

Were at least one of the trolls killed with a weapon or a weaponized kitchen tool?
Is the murder weapon relevant to solve the case?


And this one is interesting
Quote
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking? (in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)
Are the trolls blind?
Did the troll cook forget to turn on the fire?
Did the "ingredient(s)" simulate(d) to be cooked but waited for the right time to kill the trolls?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 21 Mar 2017, 10:59
Yes (nod)
Is the killer possibly still alive?
Was the crime scene staged by the real killer? (but again, probably not in the way you mean; don't focus on this for now)
Did the cook get murdered because he choose the wrong 'food'? (in a sense)
Was the person they tried to cook a human?
Were at least one of the trolls killed with a weapon or a weaponized kitchen tool?
Is the number of overall involved people relevant? (in the sense that it constrains possible solutions)
Is the murder weapon(s) relevant to solve the case? (it's part of the solution you need to provide)
Did the "ingredient(s)" simulate to be cooked but waited for the right time to kill the trolls? (not quite, but pretty close)

No (wrong)
Were more than the four involved?
Are the trolls blind?
Did the troll cook forget to turn on the fire?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Is it relevant to know who/what the person is that survived? (it depends on how detailed we want to get with this; but you don't need to learn anything more beyond what you now know about this person in order to solve the rest of it)

Stuff you already know:
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


The Victims:

Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?

No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?

Superseded clues:
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
Meta:

No (wrong)
Is this story from Beowulf?

The Context:

Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?

No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (Día de muertos)?

Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion? (depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)
and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case? (I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)

The Deaths:

Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking? (in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)

No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
Were they killed by a billy boat? ;)
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily? (not exactly...)
Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition?
Did the parents have to die because food is needed/rare?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked? (for both questions: intended by whom?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 21 Mar 2017, 13:01
So maybe the little troll caught a human for the first time but instead of killing him instantly and eating him after that, his/her parent-like relatives wanted to do a feast out of his/her first ever catch. The two put on nice cloths, while the son/daughter prepared him/herself to cook his/her first by him/herself caught human with putting the apron on as his/her mother taught him. But in their business they didn't think of the human anymore and so he broke out of his cage or whatever, took a knife, the son/daughter of course sharpened before he/she put on the apron and killed the young wannabe cook. After that he waited for the parents to appear and killed the parents in their finest cloths. THE END??? (laugh)

Because I am sure, that that's not exactly the answer:

Was the cook killed first?
Were the three trolls always in one "room"/cave/near the fireplace?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 21 Mar 2017, 14:38
So maybe the little troll caught a human for the first time but instead of killing him instantly and eating him after that, his/her parent-like relatives wanted to do a feast out of his/her first ever catch. The two put on nice cloths, while the son/daughter prepared him/herself to cook his/her first by him/herself caught human with putting the apron on as his/her mother taught him. But in their business they didn't think of the human anymore and so he broke out of his cage or whatever, took a knife, the son/daughter of course sharpened before he/she put on the apron and killed the young wannabe cook. After that he waited for the parents to appear and killed the parents in their finest cloths. THE END??? (laugh)

Pretty close! The details that are wrong are either irrelevant or almost impossible to figure out by blindly guessing. There's just one key detail missing, and it's about how you account for this question:

Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked? (YES)

(That thing I told you not to focus on before, now might be the time to focus on it.)

Yes (nod)
Was the cook killed first?

No (wrong)
Were the three trolls always in one "room"/cave/near the fireplace? (not all of them, no)

Stuff you already know:
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?


The Victims:

Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?

No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Are the trolls blind?

Superseded clues:
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?

No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
Meta:

No (wrong)
Is this story from Beowulf?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Is it relevant to know who/what the person is that survived? (it depends on how detailed we want to get with this; but you don't need to learn anything more beyond what you now know about this person in order to solve the rest of it)

The Context:

Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?
Is the number of overall involved people relevant? (in the sense that it constrains possible solutions)

No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (Día de muertos)?
Were more than the four involved?

Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion? (depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)
and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case? (I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)

The Deaths:

Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking? (in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)
Is the killer possibly still alive?
Was the crime scene staged by the real killer? (but again, probably not in the way you mean; don't focus on this for now)
Did the cook get murdered because he choose the wrong 'food'? (in a sense)
Was the person they tried to cook a human?
Were at least one of the trolls killed with a weapon or a weaponized kitchen tool?
Is the murder weapon(s) relevant to solve the case? (it's part of the solution you need to provide)
Did the "ingredient(s)" simulate to be cooked but waited for the right time to kill the trolls? (not quite, but pretty close)

No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
Were they killed by a billy boat? ;)
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily? (not exactly...)
Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition?
Did the parents have to die because food is needed/rare?
Did the troll cook forget to turn on the fire?

Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked? (for both questions: intended by whom?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 21 Mar 2017, 15:42
So piggybacking off of Kumpel's fine solution:

The prisoner escaped his shackles and pushed the child troll into the broth, boiling him alive, then he waited for the parents to come and killed them too.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 21 Mar 2017, 16:53
Yeah, basically. :)

There's a small wrinkle in that the killer waited until the parent trolls had eaten of the soup made from their child before he killed them, but you basically got it.

(http://www.gifs-paradise.com/animations/animated-gifs-fireworks-08.gif)So I declare that Kumpel and Stupot+ have cracked the case!(http://www.gifs-paradise.com/animations/animated-gifs-fireworks-08.gif)




Nice work everybody. Sorry if it seemed tricky; I think maybe the genre of the story didn't lend itself as well to puzzle form as I had hoped. The case is based on the classic Norwegian fairy tale "Smørbukk", told to Asbjørnsen & Moe. Here's a free English retelling:

Butterscotch

There once lived a boy who was very greedy, and always stuffing himself with cream, butter, and all kinds of candy. Because of this he was quite chubby, so everyone called him Butterscotch. Now, as I’m sure you all know, the health risks of childhood obesity are very serious: above all, it makes you a delicacy to trolls.

So one day Butterscotch is in the kitchen with his mother, when they hear the dog barking. They look out the window, and see a horrible, gangly troll hag carrying her head under one arm and a sack over her shoulder. His mother says to Butterscotch, “You better hide under the kitchen table so that troll doesn’t catch sight of you!” And so he scoots under there.

A moment later, the troll comes through the door. “Howdy!” she says to the mother. “Nice weather we’re having. Is Butterscotch around?” And the mother replies, “Good day, ma’am. Uh, no, I haven’t seen him all day.”

“Well that’s a bummer,” says the troll, “seeing as I have this pretty little silver knife I wanted to give him for a present.”

“Pip pip! I’m here! I’m here!” yells Butterscotch and jumps out from under the table. (Like I said, he was a greedy little boy.)

“What a lucky coincidence!” says the troll. “It’s at the bottom of my bag. Do you mind climbing in to get it for me? My arthritis is bothering me, you see.”

So Butterscotch climbs in, but the moment he’s in the sack, the troll heaves it over her shoulder and legs it out of there to bring him back to her home. She walks all day, and when she gets tired she asks into the bag: “Do you know of a hotel around here? Ideally one with a room safe.”

“Oh, we passed one a while back,” says Butterscotch. “If you’ll just turn around…”

But the troll doesn’t want to walk extra, so instead she looks for a spot along the side of the road where she can lie down. While she’s sleeping, Butterscotch takes the silver knife, cuts a hole in the bag, finds a tree stump and puts it inside. Then he runs back home to his mother.

The next day the troll arrives at her place and is all ready to cook Butterscotch, but when she opens the bag she only finds the tree stump. Damn that bothersome Butterscotch!

So one day later, Butterscotch and his mom are in the kitchen again, the dog barks, troll, hide under the kitchen table etc.

“Have you seen Butterscotch today?” asks the troll.
“Shoot, you just missed him!” says his mother.
“Shame. You see, I had this nice matching silver fork I wanted to give him.”

Well, Butterscotch jumps out once more (he really was a very greedy little boy), gets in the bag (newly patched), and off they go again. When the troll gets tired, she asks into the bag: “Really, there aren’t any hotels around here? What about a motel or a little Bed & Breakfast or something?”

“No, I’m afraid it’s all AirBnb these days,” replies Butterscotch, anachronistically. So the troll lies down by the side of the road to sleep, and Butterscotch takes the fork and pokes a hole in the bag, gets out and puts a big rock inside instead. Then he runs back home to his mother. When the troll gets home the next day, she only finds the big rock. “That does it!” she says to her husband. “I’ll get that little fatso one way or another!”

So, third try:

“Know where I can find Butterscotch?”
“Butterscotch? Butterscotch… No, doesn’t ring a bell.”
“Really? Well, if you run into him, tell him I have a very chic little silver spoon to complete the cutlery set.”
“Gimme gimme gimme!” yells Butterscotch, emerging from hiding. (Really, it’s sickening.) And in the bag he goes.

This time when night falls, the troll just keeps on walking. Butterscotch (who should have thought this whole thing through better) tries to make his way out of the bag with the spoon, but that goes about as well as you would expect.

They walk all night, and by the time they reach the troll’s house, it’s Sunday morning. The troll says to her daughter, “Take Butterscotch here, slaughter him, carve him up and make us some Butterscotch soup while your father and I are in church; we’ll invite all the neighbors over for Sunday dinner!”

When the parents had left for church, the daughter set about trying to butcher Butterscotch, but she didn’t know how to slice him. “Here, let me show you how you do it,” said Butterscotch. “Just put your head down on the countertop like this…” And as she laid her head down, Butterscotch took a meat cleaver and chopped it clean off, as if she’d been a chicken. Then he scooped out her innards and popped them in the pot, which he cooked up into a delicious-smelling soup. He arranged the head and the rest of the daughter’s carcass in a nice little window seat the trolls had put in along one wall of the kitchen, with a blanket to cover her. Finally, he found the rock and the tree stump the troll hag had carried home in his place, and carried them up onto the roof, where he hid himself away.

When the parent trolls got home, they found their daughter seemingly asleep on the couch, and the soup all ready. They decided to do a little taste test before the guests arrived, and took a big spoonful of the soup:

“Good, by my troth: Butterscotch broth!” said the troll hag.
“Good, by my troth: Daughter-guts broth!” said Butterscotch down the chimney, but the trolls didn’t notice. Then the husband also wanted a taste:

“Yup: Good, by my troth, Butterscotch broth!” said the troll husband.
“Nope: Good, by my troth, Daughter-guts broth!” said Butterscotch once again, and this time the trolls heard him.

So they ran out to see where the voice was coming from, but as they came out the door (the hag holding her head up to see better), Butterscotch threw the rock and the tree stump down on their heads and bashed them to pieces. Then he looted their house, taking all their gold and silver, and went back home to his mother a rich boy.

THE END


("Smørbukk" literally means "Butter-buck", and is usually translated as "Buttercup" or "Butterball" in English, but it's also the brand name of a butterscotch candy, so I used that name instead. Also, in the original story the daughter's whole body goes in the soup, but I forgot about that in the initial description when I mentioned one of the victims being found wearing an apron, so I've finessed it in this retelling so that he only uses her guts.)

That's effed up, right?
The TL;DR version:

A troll had caught a boy and brought him home to eat. Since it was Sunday, she and her husband went off to church (where they were planning to invite all the other trolls to a big Sunday dinner), while they left their daughter to slaughter and cook him. But the boy tricked the troll-daughter into letting him cut her head off, and made a soup from her body instead (while arranging her head in bed to make it look like she was sleeping). Her parents got home and tried the soup, saying it tasted good. The boy, who had hidden himself up on the roof, called down to taunt them about eating their own daughter, and when they came out to look he hit them with a rock and a tree stump, killing them.

This story is a favorite of mine partly because of the gratuitous cannibalism, and partly because it has the trolls going to church while the little boy they're going to eat for dinner later is (supposedly) being slaughtered. Not to mention how the hero keeps climbing into that bag over and over, even after he's already been kidnapped twice. (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 21 Mar 2017, 17:47
Nice one Snarky (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/120812/xr3xm5wj.gif)
I'm just wondering why Butterscotch's mother obviously didn't to anything to help her son
even if she was in the kitchen where it happened three times in a row.   (wtf)
Did she sell him to the troll or what?   :shocked:

Now who is coming up with the next case?  Stupot? Kumpel?
I am home from work now and waiting  (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140725/9ykn72w9.gif)
 (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 21 Mar 2017, 17:55
Oh finally! That one was really tricky. Stupot you can tell us a new one, if you want.  8-)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 21 Mar 2017, 18:12
I'm just wondering why Butterscotch's mother obviously didn't to anything to help her son
even if she was in the kitchen where it happened three times in a row.   (wtf)
Did she sell him to the troll or what?   :shocked:

She told him to hide, and lied about not knowing where he was. What else was she gonna do? Not her fault he kept falling for the same trick over and over again. (Which might be his arrogance and greed rather than stupidity.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 21 Mar 2017, 18:22
So... the moral of the story is... greed pays of?  (laugh)

nice one Snarky.  ;-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 21 Mar 2017, 22:19
Stuuuu where are you?
I need my dose of black bedtime-story ... tired - soo tired   (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/vjd6ddnt.gif)


She told him to hide, and lied about not knowing where he was. What else was she gonna do? Not her fault he kept falling for the same trick over and over again. (Which might be his arrogance and greed rather than stupidity.)
Sure it is his fault but what mother lets get her child getting hurt just because it is acting stupid.
"Never go with strangers and not even if they promise to show you something interesting." 
In case that mother is realising that a stranger is talking to her little one and going to leave with her ...
please don't tell me you really believe it is a normal reaction to look away
just because it would be the childs own fault if it gets abused then?  8-0 :shocked: 8-0
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 21 Mar 2017, 22:43
Oh finally! That one was really tricky. Stupot you can tell us a new one, if you want.  8-)
You do it mate. You basically solved it. I jusr added the garnish :-)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 00:24
CASE #4:
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 22 Mar 2017, 02:49
Were they watching a public execution?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 03:01
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)


No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 05:01
Is the one who died a human?
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 22 Mar 2017, 05:18
Was it an accident?
Did the victim fall?
Did something fall on the victim?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 22 Mar 2017, 11:50
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 12:02

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?


No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 22 Mar 2017, 12:51
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 13:04
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 22 Mar 2017, 13:04
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 13:44

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?


No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 22 Mar 2017, 14:29
Lets see, we have a human or several humans that died from an accident at some sporting event. The clue that confuses me was the fall question.

Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 22 Mar 2017, 14:52
The wording seems a little ambiguous so...

Did more than one person die?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 17:22
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 22 Mar 2017, 19:06
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 19:16
Lets see, we have a human or several humans that died from an accident at some sporting event. The clue that confuses me was the fall question.
Don't be confused by that. It's just that a fall can happen at different times with different reasons. f.e. if a not sitting or lying person dies ;)

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?


No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 19:22
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 22 Mar 2017, 19:25
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier)

Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?

Were the yells in response to the death?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 22 Mar 2017, 19:26
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 22 Mar 2017, 19:28
I was just about to post when I saw Snarky just posted asking all of my questions except 1.

did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 22 Mar 2017, 19:51
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?

that's a 'shot' in the dark :)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 20:36
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?


No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?

:P Oh boy that list gets long :P


Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 20:55
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Was the victim a cheerleader?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 22 Mar 2017, 21:04
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 21:46
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...)


No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)


Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 21:51
Here is my revenge for your subsequent change of one of my first questions:  (laugh)

Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/WasatchVsJunctionCity.jpg/658px-WasatchVsJunctionCity.jpg) when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 22 Mar 2017, 22:14
:P Oh boy that list gets long :P

Yeah, I found that as well. :-D

Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?

Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 22 Mar 2017, 22:19
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 22:28
Was it a crash at an airshow?
(roll) Doesn't it - even if they use small model aircrafts - usually happen outside? (roll)
Yes (nod)
...
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 22:57
Quote
Here is my revenge for your subsequent change of one of my first questions:  (laugh)
Well. I just sort that whole pack in the NOPE area, aye? :P

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?


Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 22 Mar 2017, 23:01
Was she a circus performer?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 23:05
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?


Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)

[/quote]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Mar 2017, 23:10
Quote
Here is my revenge for your subsequent change of one of my first questions:  (laugh)
Well. I just sort that whole pack in the NOPE area, aye? :P
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140719/vbhwsbuq.gif) I am running out of ideas about other woman sports that are practised indoors without animals  (roll)  :-[


Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally?  :shocked:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 23:13

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?


Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 22 Mar 2017, 23:24
I'm not sure if I understand Tabata's question there.

Are you saying that sawing someone in two counts as a sport?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 22 Mar 2017, 23:28
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally?  :shocked:

I think you have hit on the answer maybe Tabby!

Was the girl a magician's assistant doing a saw-the-lady-in-half trick and the audience started yelling when they saw the blood dripping down from the cabinet and realised the trick had gone wrong?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 22 Mar 2017, 23:31
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
No it's a KIND OF SPORT where an ASSISTANT is needed. Therefore the underlined words done by me.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 22 Mar 2017, 23:34
I suppose trapeze might count as gymnastics and maybe a sport, so I'll ask:

Was she doing a trapeze act?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 22 Mar 2017, 23:39
Pretty small circus, isn't it? I would have thought a circus audience would typically be hundreds of people, if not more than a thousand.

Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 00:06
Quote
Pretty small circus, isn't it? I would have thought a circus audience would typically be hundreds of people, if not more than a thousand.
Not the best circus + a bad day audience-wise + not everyone is yelling at a suspenseful performance + "dozens" is a not defined number beetween 12 and a nice crowd of people imho = :=


Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower? (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act



Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 23 Mar 2017, 00:57
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Mar 2017, 04:54
So, she was tied to the wheel and started spinning, the knife-thrower put on his blindfold and started throwing the knives, but the assistant panicked and started struggling, which caused the wheel to slow down and stop. The audience started yelling to warn the blindfolded knife-thrower but they were too late and he threw a knife that fatally wounded her.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 23 Mar 2017, 05:00
Quote
Yes
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally?

Was a saw actually involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 06:45
So, she was tied to the wheel and started spinning, the knife-thrower put on his blindfold and started throwing the knives, but the assistant panicked and started struggling, which caused the wheel to slow down and stop. The audience started yelling to warn the blindfolded knife-thrower but they were too late and he threw a knife that fatally wounded her.
You don't yet have all the facts to solve it, but there are several aspects right already. Check out the notes in the no area. Maybe it helps to get new informations.
 
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower? (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?



Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 23 Mar 2017, 07:24
Was a third person involved in some way?

The  note that it matters that it was a woman confuses me a bit. Therefore: Would it have ended differently if she was male?
And while I'm on this: Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?)

Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?

Was she blindfolded?
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?

Ok, I have a theory: The assistant was blindfolded and the knife thrower probably too. There was supposed to be some cue to tell her when she was allowed to move again, I'd think the circus band playing a jingle or something like that. It didn't happen as it was supposed to and she moved too early.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 23 Mar 2017, 10:39
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Were clowns involved?

Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 11:06
Ok, I have a theory: The assistant was blindfolded and the knife thrower probably too. There was supposed to be some cue to tell her when she was allowed to move again, I'd think the circus band playing a jingle or something like that. It didn't happen as it was supposed to and she moved too early.
There are still informations missing. But your question are good.

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times  but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))



Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Mar 2017, 12:15
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 12:22
Ok, I have a theory: The assistant was blindfolded and the knife thrower probably too. There was supposed to be some cue to tell her when she was allowed to move again, I'd think the circus band playing a jingle or something like that. It didn't happen as it was supposed to and she moved too early.
There are still informations missing. But your question are good.

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times  but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Was she killed by a thrown knife?



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))



Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 23 Mar 2017, 13:38
Was the victim the person handing the knives to the thrower, moved behind the thrower who then accidentally managed to throw it backwards at the victim?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 23 Mar 2017, 13:43
Was the victim tied up?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 23 Mar 2017, 13:43
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Was the knife thrower supposed to be completly blind during the act (as in, normally they cheated and only pretended he was blind)?

Was she tied to something?
Or could she move freely while the knives were thrown?
Mandle mentioned it in his solution but didn't ask: was she tied to a spinning wheel?
If yes, did the thrower tie her up?

Does it matter which knife killed her? (Normally a knive thrower throws more than one.)
Was it the first? Second? Third? Fourth?

Had they done the same act before?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 18:54
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times  but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
Was the knife thrower supposed to be completly blind during the act (as in, normally they cheated and only pretended he was blind)?
Could she move freely while the knives were thrown?
Had they done the same act before?
Does it matter which knife killed her? (Normally a knive thrower throws more than one.) (He would have for sure, but this time see next question)
Was it the first knife [that killed her]?



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))
Was the victim the person handing the knives to the thrower, moved behind the thrower who then accidentally managed to throw it backwards at the victim?
Was the victim tied up?
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Was she tied to something?
was she tied to a spinning wheel?
Did the thrower tie her up?
Second? Third? Fourth? [knife that killed her]



Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 23 Mar 2017, 19:16
Did he throw the knife too early? Before she had reached her position?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 23 Mar 2017, 19:24
was it supposed to be a fake knife but wound up being a real knife?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 19:30

Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?

Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times  but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
Was the knife thrower supposed to be completly blind during the act (as in, normally they cheated and only pretended he was blind)?
Could she move freely while the knives were thrown?
Had they done the same act before?
Does it matter which knife killed her? (Normally a knive thrower throws more than one.) (He would have for sure, but this time see next question)
Was it the first knife [that killed her]?



No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))
Was the victim the person handing the knives to the thrower, moved behind the thrower who then accidentally managed to throw it backwards at the victim?
Was the victim tied up?
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Was she tied to something?
was she tied to a spinning wheel?
Did the thrower tie her up?
Second? Third? Fourth? [knife that killed her]
was it supposed to be a fake knife but wound up being a real knife?
Did he throw the knife too early? Before she had reached her position?



Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did  the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?

Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 23 Mar 2017, 20:16
keep wondering why does it matter that she was a woman... so...

- Was she wearing high heels? (if so) Did one broke making her lose balance and miss her mark?
- Did she stop to touch up her makeup?  (roll)
- Did she say something to the knife  thrower that make him lose his concentration?
- Was she herself to blame for the accident?  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 23 Mar 2017, 21:43
Was the woman distracted by a noise and that's why she moved?
Did the knife go into her head?
Heart?
Stomach?
Is it relevant where the knife went?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 23 Mar 2017, 21:46
keep wondering why does it matter that she was a woman... so...
...
Yupp - that's spot on my problem, too. (nod)
If the one who threw the knife wasn't blindfolded I'd say she might have lost her top and irritated him because he saw her naked the first time or something like this. But it doesn't work without him watching her. Also there's no need for a female to scare him that he winced ...  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140718/zyjips3x.gif)

This seems to be my 'it's close to'-case anyway (roll)
... so I am waiting for you others to find out.  :grin:


Edit:
Aah - one more idea (thanks to Cassie):
Was the first knife supposed to go over her head and because of her wearing high(er) heels instead of the usual shoes becoming taller ... and therefor the knife hit her forehead? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Mar 2017, 22:28
I think the fact that she is female was only to lead us to the knife throwing act conclusion. Kumpel mentions something about historical context in his reply, and, in the past at least, knife thrower's assistants were pretty much always young women, I guess to provide that extra attention-grabber for bored dads dragged to the circus by their kids...

So I think we can ignore that aspect now.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 23 Mar 2017, 22:39
I think the fact that she is female was only to lead us to the knife throwing act conclusion. Kumpel mentions something about historical context in his reply, and, in the past at least, knife thrower's assistants were pretty much always young women, I guess to provide that extra attention-grabber for bored dads dragged to the circus by their kids...

So I think we can ignore that aspect now.

But then it would have ended the same way if the assistant were male. I asked that.

Was the woman distracted by a noise and that's why she moved?

This also can't be, because she didn't move (when she wasn't supposed to).

I also had the idea that someone in the audiance whistled because the assistant was so sexy (or something along these lines) and distracted the knife thrower, but this also doesn't fit, because then a third person would have been involved.I'm confused.


 It feels like we're all missing something very obvious.

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 23:11
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!
Aah - one more idea (thanks to Cassie):
Was the first knife supposed to go over her head and because of her wearing high(er) heels instead of the usual shoes becoming taller ... and therefor the knife hit her forehead? 

That was indeed the sad fate of the knife thrower's female assistant 8-0 :~( (roll)
She assisted him for years and always wore the same shoes. But one day the heel of one of her shoes broke and she put on a different pair. The knife thrower's accuracy level had become almost godlike, but when she wore shoes only a few inch/cm higher, he couldn't see that because he was blindfolded when she walked on the stage. And then the show began and ... ended forever.

Lead Investigators: Hauptkommissarin Tabata and Hovedkommissær Cassiebsg
Lead Coroner: Snarky
Police officer with outstanding deduction skills most worthy of a promotion: Mandle

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 23 Mar 2017, 23:15
Ahh nice twist. Is that from one of the cards or did you make it up?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 23 Mar 2017, 23:17
It's part of the game "Black Stories", yeah. But every deadly event in there is historically acurate and provable - or that is at least, what you can read in the manual ;)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Mar 2017, 23:20
Police officer with outstanding deduction skills most worthy of a promotion: Mandle

Yay! That was a really fun round, and a satisfying conclusion , Kumpel. Thanks for the fun!

But, I'm not sure if I deserve that title: I mostly bumbled around like a certain fictional French detective (no, not the clever one... oh wait, he might be from Belgium) and made loudmouthed guesses without absorbing all the information, or just piggybacked off what others had discovered...

Oh wait, maybe that is a good way to get a promotion!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 23 Mar 2017, 23:43
Police officer with outstanding deduction skills most worthy of a promotion: Mandle
But, I'm not sure if I deserve that title: I mostly bumbled around like a certain fictional French detective (no, not the clever one... oh wait, he might be from Belgium) and made loudmouthed guesses without absorbing all the information, or just piggybacked off what others had discovered...

If you have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.  :grin:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Mar 2017, 23:58
If you have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.  :grin:

Trouble is, I stood on the shoulders of giants and got distracted by something shiny down on the ground. (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 24 Mar 2017, 05:42
Gaaah! That really was correct? :shocked:
Unbelievable that I got it!  (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/120119/wbjpabhu.gif)
In fact I got on the wrong track mostly because of that it had to be a female and that I wouldn't define her part of the scene as a kind of sport.
It might be a kind of sport for the knife-thrower but the womans part I'd assign more to a stunt. (roll)
But it was an entertaining case and very interesting for me to learn about typical female sports during the research.  (laugh)

Well, I am on my way to work right now and wouldn't be able to start a new case before this late afternoon. Also I just have a very simple beginners-story in mind for now.
So I'd like to give the chance to Cassie to come up with the next case ...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 24 Mar 2017, 15:05
Erm.... I'm blank! I wouldn't even know where to begin.  8-0

I'll wait for your " very simple beginners-story".  :-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 24 Mar 2017, 18:25
Okay – your wish is my command!  :kiss:
Here's a clean and easy little case
(and no playing cards involved – so please don't even ask) (laugh)

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CASE # 5:
Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground. 
What happened?

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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 24 Mar 2017, 18:29
Did Fred drawn?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 24 Mar 2017, 19:11
Was the window several floors up? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 24 Mar 2017, 19:22
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?

Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 24 Mar 2017, 19:44
Was it raining?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 24 Mar 2017, 19:51
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 5:
Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground. 
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140725/kqy8tpgg.gif) still need to come in


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?       
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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 24 Mar 2017, 20:08
Was Fred human?
Or an animal?

Are the shards from a bottle?
Was (whatever it was the shards are from) destroyed at the same time Fred died?

Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?

Was it an accident?
Natural causes?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 24 Mar 2017, 21:46
Did Fred work in an aquarium?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 24 Mar 2017, 21:52
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Mar 2017, 22:17
Was Fred a burglar?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 24 Mar 2017, 22:19
Was Fred a fish?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 24 Mar 2017, 22:30
are the shards from an aquarium?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 24 Mar 2017, 23:20
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die suddenly?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 24 Mar 2017, 23:44
Forget it.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 24 Mar 2017, 23:51
Oh, oh:

Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Mar 2017, 00:01
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 5:
Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground. 
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was Fred an animal?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?   (presuming you are refering to the death)    
Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Did he die suddenly?
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?   


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
Was Fred human?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Did (whatever it was the shards are from) was destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Natural causes?  (presuming you are refering to the death)    
Did Fred work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?     


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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Mar 2017, 00:23
so Fred is a fish and the puddle of water was less than 10 cm so the fish died from suffocation.
was the aquarium broken by another person?
do we need to know why the aquarium was broken to solve the case?
was it destroyed by a high pitch sound?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 25 Mar 2017, 00:24
Was Fred killed by an animal?
A bird?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 25 Mar 2017, 00:29
Was it an accident?   (presuming you are refering to the death)

Sorry, should have been more clear. Yes, that's what I meant.

Did someone try to steal the aquarium with Fred in it?
Was someone moving house and wanted to transport the aquarium?
Did the aquarium break and Fred died shortly after?
Was the puddle too shallow for Fred?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Mar 2017, 06:24
Sorry - I am having havily probs with my connection  :-[

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CASE # 5:
Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground. 
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was Fred an animal?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?   (presuming you are refering to the death)    
Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Did he die suddenly?
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
so Fred is a fish and the puddle of water was less than 10 cm so the fish died from suffocation. (main part is solved)
was the aquarium broken by another person?
do we need to know why the aquarium was broken to solve the case? (it's like you don't know why that woman was hit by the knife from the knife-thrower)
Did the aquarium break and Fred died shortly after?
Was the puddle too shallow for Fred     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
Was Fred human?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Did (whatever it was the shards are from) was destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Natural causes?  (presuming you are refering to the death)    
Did Fred work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
Was Fred killed by an animal?
A bird?
Did someone try to steal the aquarium with Fred in it?
Was someone moving house and wanted to transport the aquarium?     
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 25 Mar 2017, 08:19
Did a ball come thru the open window and hit the aquarium?
Did a person (kid?) come thru the open window?
Did he/she took the ball and left?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Mar 2017, 10:41
A cat came in through the window and knocked the fish bowl from the shelf. Fred the fish died when the bowl broke. The cat was startled by the noise and jumped back out the window.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 25 Mar 2017, 10:52
Was the fish bowl thrown from the window because someone was having a heated argument?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 25 Mar 2017, 11:24
Did a ball thrown in through an open windows, hit the aquarium, break it, and bounce out again?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 25 Mar 2017, 11:55
Is the window at the ground floor of the building?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Mar 2017, 12:33
A cat came in through the window and knocked the fish bowl from the shelf. Fred the fish died when the bowl broke. The cat was startled by the noise and jumped back out the window.
@Mandle - If you substitute the cat it would be spot on.


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CASE # 5:
Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground. 
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was Fred an animal?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?   (presuming you are refering to the death)    
Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Did he die suddenly?
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
so Fred is a fish and the puddle of water was less than 10 cm so the fish died from suffocation. (main part is solved)
was the aquarium broken by another person?
do we need to know why the aquarium was broken to solve the case? (it's like you don't know why that woman was hit by the knife from the knife-thrower)
Did the aquarium break and Fred died shortly after?
Was the puddle too shallow for Fred
Did a person (kid?) come thru the open window?
Is the window at the ground floor of the building?     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
Was Fred human?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Did (whatever it was the shards are from) was destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Natural causes?  (presuming you are refering to the death)    
Did Fred work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
Was Fred killed by an animal?
A bird?
Did someone try to steal the aquarium with Fred in it?
Was someone moving house and wanted to transport the aquarium?
Did a ball come thru the open window and hit the aquarium?
Did he/she took the ball and left?
Was the fish bowl thrown from the window because someone was having a heated argument?
Did a ball thrown in through an open windows, hit the aquarium, break it, and bounce out again?     



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Since it is just that one point missing and I still have trouble with my connection I'd like to declare the case solved that you can go on with a new one:

I declare the case solved now and like to call dayowIron the 1st and Mandle the 2nd winner of investigation

… and therefore you/one of you has the prerogative to present the next case


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Here's my original solution for case # 5:
A burglar entered the open window to look for valuable things in the room. During his hectic search he accidentally nudges the fish bowl that contains Fred, the goldfish. The bowl fell on the ground and bursts. The burglar was fleeing (because of the noise he made) while Fred miserably stifled.

Case # 5 solved and closed!   (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/ap878va5.gif)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Mar 2017, 12:43
Argh... in my original post I typed that it was a burglar but went back and changed it to a cat for some reason...

Anyway, dayowlron is welcome to the next round, unless he doesn't want it in which case I will take over.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 25 Mar 2017, 14:03
Well done!  (nod)

Mandle, you were probably thinking of a cat burglar and got confused...  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 25 Mar 2017, 14:23
Man, i thought a boomerang had knocked the fish bowl and gone back out the windiw.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Mar 2017, 15:35
Wow, it was a guess and I will take it

case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Mar 2017, 22:41
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 25 Mar 2017, 22:50
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Mar 2017, 22:53
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?

Yeah, for example: A bullet made out of frozen meat (yeah, I watched that Mystbusters episode)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 25 Mar 2017, 22:53
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Mar 2017, 22:55
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Mar 2017, 23:38
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?


Yes
(nothing yet)


No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Mar 2017, 23:45
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Mar 2017, 00:05
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?


Yes
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body? (yes, but why and was not in the path of the bullet)


No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 26 Mar 2017, 00:06
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Mar 2017, 00:08
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton? 
is that a yes or no question? I put it under yes cause that is a true statement. body was not a skeleton.

case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?


Yes
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body? (yes, but why and was not in the path of the bullet)
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?


No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 00:10
Okay....So the man was shot and the bullet lodged in his intestinal tract. He survived for long enough to expel the bullet from his anus in his feces before he passed away.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Mar 2017, 00:14
no and moved the intact body part of the question to yes
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?


Yes
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body? (yes, but why and was not in the path of the bullet)
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?
Was the man an intact body?


No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
So the man was shot and the bullet lodged in his intestinal tract. He survived for long enough to expel the bullet from his anus in his feces before he passed away.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 00:44
He was shot and the bullet lodged in his stomach. He expelled it through his mouth while vomiting up blood before he died.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Mar 2017, 00:48
He was shot and the bullet lodged in his stomach. He expelled it through his mouth while vomiting up blood before he died.

We have a quick winner. Got the inspiration from an NCIS episode. He had gotten sick from being shot which upset his stomach.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 00:54
He was shot and the bullet lodged in his stomach. He expelled it through his mouth while vomiting up blood before he died.

We have a quick winner. Got the inspiration from an NCIS episode. He had gotten sick from being shot which upset his stomach.

Phew.... I'm glad I got back online in time to change my theory to the exact opposite before such an obvious alternative got swooped by someone!

That was really fun dayowlron and it really made me feel like a detective when I realized what the solution must be, even though I got it backwards the first time... (laugh)

I have a case in mind and will present it very soon...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 03:35
Okay, this is one I came up with myself so no idea if it's going to be an easy solve or slightly trickier:

Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?


Yes



No

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 26 Mar 2017, 05:28
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Did something happen to the prison itself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 06:24
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?


Yes
Did something happen to the prison itself? ("Yes", but many things happen to anything over time. "something" and unlimited time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)


No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 26 Mar 2017, 08:54
Has he been pardoned for his crimes by a leader of his country?
If you say "rest of his life", did he have an illness and it was known, that he would die pretty short after he got out?
Did a change of the prison director or any other hierarchical change happen?

Btw and OT: Did you guys know, that prison break is not a crime per se and cannot be punished by law (e.g. in germany), but a "natural desire for freedom". Nevertheless this contradicts the juristical decision of a prison sentence. How paradoxical​:-D

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 26 Mar 2017, 09:18
Was the man a prisoner?
Did the man lived a long life after he escaped?
Did he die shortly after his escape?
Did the prison caught fire and burned?
Was the prison guarded?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 09:40
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?


Yes
Did something happen to the prison itself? ("Yes", but many things happen to anything over time. "something" and unlimited time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Did a change of the prison director or any other hierarchical change happen? ("Yes", but again such things happen over time of course. Undefined time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Was the man a prisoner?
Did the man lived a long life after he escaped?
Was the prison guarded?


No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Has he been pardoned for his crimes by a leader of his country?
If you say "rest of his life", did he have an illness and it was known, that he would die pretty short after he got out?
Did he die shortly after his escape?
Did the prison caught fire and burned?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 26 Mar 2017, 09:49
Did the guards realized he had escaped?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 26 Mar 2017, 12:41
Was it an adult who escaped?
Was it a break out?
Was it a typical prison?
Did it happen during a war?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 26 Mar 2017, 13:07
Was he a baby born in a woman prison?

was he imprisoned because he commited a crime?
was he a prisoner of war?
Was his head his prison?
Was he really old?
Was he really young?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Mar 2017, 13:21
did someone take his place?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 13:37
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?


Yes
Did something happen to the prison itself? ("Yes", but many things happen to anything over time. "something" and unlimited time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Did a change of the prison director or any other hierarchical change happen? ("Yes", but again such things happen over time of course. Undefined time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Was the man a prisoner?
Did the man lived a long life after he escaped?
Was the prison guarded?
Did the guards realized he had escaped?
Was it an adult who escaped?
Was it a break out? (Yes, he broke out from prison.)
Did it happen during a war?
was he a prisoner of war?


No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Has he been pardoned for his crimes by a leader of his country?
If you say "rest of his life", did he have an illness and it was known, that he would die pretty short after he got out?
Did he die shortly after his escape?
Did the prison caught fire and burned?
Was it a typical prison? (I assume you mean of the current normal variety)
Was he a baby born in a woman prison?
was he imprisoned because he commited a crime?
Was his head his prison?
Was he really old?
Was he really young?
did someone take his place?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 26 Mar 2017, 14:09
Was the man a spy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 26 Mar 2017, 15:17
Did he make the others forget him?
Was he a magician?
Was he inprisoned in a mental health institution?
Did he escape during an attack?
Did he manage to escape alone?
Were there people that helped him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 26 Mar 2017, 15:51
Did the prison got destroyed during an attack? (Maybe air raid?)
Did the war ended shortly after his escape?
Had the man committed a crime? Or was he just "from the wrong side of the war"?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 26 Mar 2017, 16:36
Was the prison under siege?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Mar 2017, 23:12

Did the war ended shortly after his escape?

I believe this counts as a win! With bonus points to Tabby and Selmiak for narrowing down the fact that he was a P.O.W. very quickly!

Solution:
Yes, the man was in a prisoner of war camp and escaped, but before a manhunt could even be launched the war ended and so he was free to return home to his own country.

Over to you Cassie, or Tabby or Selmiak I guess in case Cassie doesn't want to host...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 27 Mar 2017, 12:50
Sorry, I can't!
Still only have my smart phone. :~(
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 14:15
Let's squeeze this one in till a host is found ;)

Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 27 Mar 2017, 14:59
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body decomposed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 15:10
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?


Yes
Was the body decomposed?


No
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 27 Mar 2017, 15:29
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?

Was it a skeleton?
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 27 Mar 2017, 15:49
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 27 Mar 2017, 16:01
Was the body male?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Mar 2017, 16:15
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 16:17
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?


Yes
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?


No
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?


Unaswerable
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Mar 2017, 16:25
Was the body a woman?
Was the body a girl/child?
Was there clothes on the body?
Were there clothes near the body?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 27 Mar 2017, 16:29
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 27 Mar 2017, 16:46
Was it the only skeleton they found?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?


(I think you forgot to sort Daves earlier entry)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 16:53

Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?


Yes(nod)
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
Was there clothes on the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?


No(wrong)
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body a girl/child?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?


Unanswerable/Irrelevant:-\
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body male?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Mar 2017, 16:57
Was there a plane crash?
Is this a victim of the crash?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 27 Mar 2017, 17:01
Was a tree trunk spread across the body? (such as the tree had fallen on him)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 27 Mar 2017, 17:09
Had there been a forest fire?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 27 Mar 2017, 18:01
Was the victim wearing anything made from foamed neoprene?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Mar 2017, 18:26
Was there a cross nearby?
Was the body buried? Had the body been buried at one point?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 27 Mar 2017, 18:34
When you say he knew "what happened", does that refer to how the person died (as opposed to e.g. why their body was found now)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 27 Mar 2017, 18:57
Was the victim participating in a hobby a shortish time before they died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Mar 2017, 19:04
Did the detective killed this person?  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 27 Mar 2017, 19:06
Was the victim wearing any large metal cylindrical objects?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 19:34
Mandle just gimme the damn answer :P
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 19:38


Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?


Yes(nod)
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
Was there clothes on the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?
Had there been a forest fire?
Was the victim wearing anything made from foamed neoprene?
When you say he knew "what happened", does that refer to how the person died (as opposed to e.g. why their body was found now)?
Was the victim participating in a hobby a shortish time before they died?
Was the victim wearing any large metal cylindrical objects?


No(wrong)
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body a girl/child?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?
Was there a plane crash?
Is this a victim of the crash?
Was a tree trunk spread across the body? (such as the tree had fallen on him)
Was there a cross nearby?
Was the body buried? Had the body been buried at one point?
Did the detective killed this person?  (laugh)


Unanswerable/Irrelevant:-\
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body male?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 27 Mar 2017, 19:51
Did he/she die in winter?
Was he/she a skier?
Had there been an avalanche?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 19:58

Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?


Yes(nod)
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
Was there clothes on the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?
Had there been a forest fire?
Was the victim wearing anything made from foamed neoprene?
When you say he knew "what happened", does that refer to how the person died (as opposed to e.g. why their body was found now)?
Was the victim participating in a hobby a shortish time before they died?
Was the victim wearing any large metal cylindrical objects?


No(wrong)
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body a girl/child?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?
Was there a plane crash?
Is this a victim of the crash?
Was a tree trunk spread across the body? (such as the tree had fallen on him)
Was there a cross nearby?
Was the body buried? Had the body been buried at one point?
Did the detective killed this person?  (laugh)
Did he/she die in winter?
Was he/she a skier?
Had there been an avalanche?


Unanswerable/Irrelevant:-\
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body male?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 27 Mar 2017, 20:00
He had been wearing a jet pack and crashed and the jet pack caused a fire he was caught in.

Was he the cause of the fire?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 27 Mar 2017, 20:17
So I'm sure Mandle got it, but just to get it over with:

The skeleton was wearing a diving suit with air tanks, and the explanation is that he was diving in a lake when a helicopter came to scoop up water to put out the forest fire, accidentally grabbing him with it (and then he was dumped over the forest, of course).
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Mar 2017, 20:45
Ah shoot, I had discarded that one cause of the "no fall", but i can see it apparently was only asked about "from a tree"...  (roll)
Then again, I was sure that in the original story the guy did hit the trees, and that would have made the "fall from a tree" true.   (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Mar 2017, 21:09
The skeleton was wearing a diving suit with air tanks, and the explanation is that he was diving in a lake when a helicopter came to scoop up water to put out the forest fire, accidentally grabbing him with it (and then he was dumped over the forest, of course).

That's absolutely right. Just a snack for the riddle-hungry audience :)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 27 Mar 2017, 21:19
It's really Mandle's turn. If he doesn't want it, I do have one...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 01:30
Mandle just gimme the damn answer :P

Sorry, I knew the riddle already so I felt bad about just giving it away. I thought I'd just ask a few questions to provide some hints, but it seems I had to be a smartass and prove that I knew the answer while doing so.

Sorry about that as well :-[

I believe the winner, Cassie, or one of the runners-up, Tabby or Selmiak, have the right to run a round (or even just run around), but I'll jump in with what should be a fairly short one that just popped into my head if they don't mind:

Case #9
A man got taller as he died. Why?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 28 Mar 2017, 02:53
Was he tied to a rack?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 04:14
Case #9
A man got taller as he died. Why?


YES


NO
Was he tied to a rack?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 08:02
Was he squeezed or flattened in some way?
Does it matter that he was a man?
Was he killed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 08:10
Case #9
A man got taller as he died. Why?


YES


NO
Was he tied to a rack?
Was he squeezed or flattened in some way?
Does it matter that he was a man? (No, it's just for the ease of using pronouns.)
Was he killed? (I'm assuming you're asking if he was murdered. He was killed by what happened to him, but not by another person.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 08:38
Was he his normal height immediately before he started dying?

Did the death take a long time (at least, he didn't die instantly)?

Was he on earth at the time?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 08:48
Was he a human being?
Did he get more than, say, a couple of centimeters taller?
Was he falling at the time of death?
Was he being stretched?
Did he fall into a black hole?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Mar 2017, 08:48
Was it a (hu-)man that was born?
The moment your life starts is the same you begin to die. Before you usually get the chance to grow.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 08:58
Did he fall into a black hole?

WHAT THE...!? Who even jumps to such a far-out conclusion that quickly?!

Aaaaand... you are 100% correct!

(Wow, that was over a lot faster than I anticipated... (laugh))

Solution
The man was an astronaut falling into a black hole and getting spaghettified by the intense difference in gravity between his feet and his head.

Well, over to Snarky, or Cassie, or someone... Kinda lost track...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 09:08
Oh, after Tabata's guess I figured the black hole thing was the red herring you wanted us to think, while the real answer was that he died slowly over a year or so (from a disease, maybe) while still growing normally.

OK...

Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(https://i.imgur.com/lUIlU4l.gif)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 09:11
Oh, after Tabata's guess I figured the black hole thing was the red herring you wanted us to think, while the real answer was that he died slowly over a year or so (from a disease, maybe) while still growing normally.

Yeah, the (slightly depressing) answer that he was just a normal guy growing up (and hence slowly dying at the same time) occured to me soon after I posted the riddle. That's a pretty damn good answer too!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 09:12
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 09:17
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)

Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)

No
...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 28 Mar 2017, 09:57
Did she turn herself in?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 10:16
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Is the killing intentional?
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 11:04
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]

No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 11:24
I have a theory...

She hears two lovers, thinks her husband is cheating on her, goes in a fit of rage and kills him only to discover that it was actually her son.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 28 Mar 2017, 11:35
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill?
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 11:57
I have a theory...

She hears two lovers, thinks her husband is cheating on her, goes in a fit of rage and kills him only to discover that it was actually her son.

(wrong)

Also, we already established that the son is younger than 13, so the "she hears two lovers" part is a bit :-X

Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]


No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 12:01
Also, we already established that the son is younger than 13, so the "she hears two lovers" part is a bit :-X

Oops... I hadn't noticed this when I posted that theory!  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 12:06
Having conclusively proven that I don't read the previous clues properly <FACEPALM>...

Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 28 Mar 2017, 12:11
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case?
Was the mother in her right mind, when she did it?
Has the mother taken any drugs?
alcohol?
inhaled any chemicals?
Has the mother any mental illness?

Did she kill him with a knife?
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 12:29
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?


No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 12:31
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Mar 2017, 12:50
Was it the son's bedroom she sneeked in?
Was it the parent's bedroom she sneeked in?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 12:59
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?  (Tabby's question just made me realise the ambiguity of "the bedroom he was sleeping in")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 13:01
She planned to kill her husband while he was sleeping but didn't know that their son had had a nightmare or something and had crawled into bed with Daddy and she stabbed the son by accident?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 28 Mar 2017, 13:07
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)

Edit:
I realise the part where she doesn't realise the victim was her son is a much more relevant path to pursue than my above query, but it felt like a good question still.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 13:26
(Tabby's question just made me realise the ambiguity of "the bedroom he was sleeping in")

;)

There is also some other important background context about these people that you haven't caught a whiff of yet.

She planned to kill her husband while he was sleeping but didn't know that their son had had a nightmare or something and had crawled into bed with Daddy and she stabbed the son by accident?

(wrong)

Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?

No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 14:08
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Mar 2017, 14:48
Were they religious?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 28 Mar 2017, 15:33
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight?
Was the mother blind?
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she plan the murder for a longer time?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. heritage, to make an event happen...)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 28 Mar 2017, 15:56
Was the son sleeping in a bed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 Mar 2017, 16:07
Did they had a pet?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 16:17
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
OK, I think you've figured out that she stabbed her son by mistake, thinking it was someone else, in someone else's bedroom. You still need to figure out who she intended to kill, why, and why the son was in that bed (though that part isn't so important).

Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?


No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?


Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?


Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and – at least in my mind – no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 28 Mar 2017, 17:10
Did she have money trouble and want to kill one of her parents to get the heritage but forgot that her son sometimes sleeps in grandma's/grandpa's bed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 Mar 2017, 17:14
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husbands parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 28 Mar 2017, 18:13
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 18:54
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)

Did she have money trouble and want to kill one of her parents to get the heritage but forgot that her son sometimes sleeps in grandma's/grandpa's bed?

(wrong)

Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]

No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?


Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?

Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and – at least in my mind – no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 Mar 2017, 19:29
Was the person she tried to kill related to her family?
Was the person she tried to kill related to her family?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husbands sibling?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 28 Mar 2017, 19:57
You repeated it twice, but I still don't know exactly what you mean by "related to her family"; is it in any way different from "a relative"?

For the two others: no, but "husband's sibling" would be an example of a relationship where I think it's ambiguous whether it counts as a relative of hers.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 Mar 2017, 21:13
"related to her family" =  brother/cousin/uncle... anyone blood related to her (although I can see that she could have uncles/aunts that are not blood related to her, but related by marriage... that you after?  ;) )
The second line was suppose to read:
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband's family? (sorry about that  :-[ )
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Mar 2017, 21:43
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 29 Mar 2017, 07:25
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 29 Mar 2017, 07:41
I find "related to somebody's family" a confusing concept, so I simplified it a little.

Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)

Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband?

No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husband's sibling?
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?


Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?

Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and – at least in my mind – no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her/family? [See above]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 07:44
Did she intend to get away with the murder without being caught by the police?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by winning the trial in court?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 29 Mar 2017, 08:19
Did she intend to get away with the murder by framing somebody else?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 29 Mar 2017, 08:42
Did she intend to kill her stepchild?
So zhat her son would be the only heir of her husband?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 29 Mar 2017, 08:49
Sinitrena got it! ... but there's one aspect of the inheritance still to work out...

Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)

Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband?
Did she intend to kill her stepchild?
So that her son would be the only heir of her husband?


No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husband's sibling?
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?

Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?
Did she intend to get away with the murder without being caught by the police?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by winning the trial in court?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by framing somebody else? [Yes, but this isn't really relevant]


Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and – at least in my mind – no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her/family? [See above]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 09:01
Did it say in the will that the inheritance would go to "my eldest son"?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Mar 2017, 09:17
Did the stepchild know about her plan and make the son to sleep in his bed because of that?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 10:34
Was the "inheritance" something that could save the life of only one of the two sons (like a heart transplant)?"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 29 Mar 2017, 10:46
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)

Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" – see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband?
Did she intend to kill her stepchild?
So that her son would be the only heir of her husband?


No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease?  (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husband's sibling?
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?

Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?
Did she intend to get away with the murder without being caught by the police?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by winning the trial in court?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by framing somebody else? [Yes, but this isn't really relevant]


Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and – at least in my mind – no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her/family? [See above]

Yes
Did it say in the will that the inheritance would go to "my eldest son"? [Not the will, more like the law... or we could say the inheritance is something that can't be divided]

No
Did the stepchild know about her plan and make the son to sleep in his bed because of that?
Was the "inheritance" something that could save the life of only one of the two sons (like a heart transplant)?"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 29 Mar 2017, 11:17
Was the inheritance a property?
Was the inheritance a title?
Was the inheritance the throne?  :shocked:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 11:39
Was the inheritance the throne?  :shocked:

Ah, I suspect you have hit upon the truth about the inheritance!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 29 Mar 2017, 12:21
Was the inheritance the throne?  :shocked:

Ah, I suspect you have hit upon the truth about the inheritance!

Yes indeed!

Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.

Solution
There was a king who had two sons. The old queen had died given birth to the older one, and the king had married again, so the two princes were half-brothers. They were the best of friends. But the new queen was jealous of the crown prince, wanting her own son to be the heir. So one night she sneaked into the older prince's bedroom to stab him to death, thinking to blame an assassin. However, the younger prince had gotten scared in the night and (since he was a bit afraid of his mother) gone to sleep in his big brother's bed for comfort, so the queen murdered her own son by mistake.

(Initially I was thinking of a whole thing where they change bedrooms, giving the queen her chance, but then the younger kid gets scared and creeps back to his own familiar room, but I figured it would make the riddle too complicated to solve.)

So I declare CaptainD and Sinitrena (building on the work of many others) to have solved the case. Congratulations! ;-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 29 Mar 2017, 13:16
Good one Snarky. 

I'll try to think of a new one or Sinitena is welcome to post one first.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 29 Mar 2017, 13:19
Fantastic case! And the process of solving it was really entertaining. That's why I love the game's concept :D
Thanks to you guys for making this thread great fun :)

I am looking forward to the next mysterious incident!

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 15:17
Snarky, that was a really fun round, and also an excellent example of how to build a really strong mystery that is both fun and complex to solve...

I have been taking notes!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 29 Mar 2017, 15:58
Good round, Snarky. Let's see how this one goes:

Case #11

They saved him, then she died. What happened?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 29 Mar 2017, 16:05
"They saved him, then she died." - are we talking about 2 different people here?  (Otherwise I'm thinking sex-swap operation!)
or...

Was "she" his mother?  Did she die giving birth?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 17:23
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?

The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 29 Mar 2017, 17:46
Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about 2 different people here?
Was "she" his mother?
Did she die giving birth? [Close, but not quite there yet.]


No
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?


That'll be a fast case.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Mar 2017, 17:49
Did she give him her heart literally?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Mar 2017, 18:15
Were the "he" and "she" both humans?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 29 Mar 2017, 20:18
Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about 2 different people here?
Was "she" his mother?
Did she die giving birth? [Close, but not quite there yet.]
Were the "he" and "she" both humans?


No
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
Did she give him her heart literally?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 29 Mar 2017, 20:24
Is "he" her son?
Did she die because he was saved or isn't there any causality and this was fate/coincidence?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 29 Mar 2017, 20:32
Did they do a cesarean section then she died because the incision got infected?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Mar 2017, 20:33
Did they have an accident?
Is the son a new born?
Was he born ill?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 29 Mar 2017, 20:35
Did she die because he was saved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 29 Mar 2017, 21:00
Did they do a cesarean section then she died because the incision got infected?

You got it!

Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about 2 different people here?
Was "she" his mother?
Did she die giving birth? [Close, but not quite there yet.]
Were the "he" and "she" both humans?
Is "he" her son?
Is the son a new born?


No
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
Did she give him her heart literally?
Did they have an accident?
Was he born ill?


Ambiguous
Did she die because he was saved or isn't there any causality and this was fate/coincidence?
Did she die because he was saved? [There is no real way to say if she had lived (and her son died) if they hadn't done a cesarean, so it's fate and causality both to some degree.]


dayowlron, your turn.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 12:17
Since I also got (with the help of yourself and others) Snarky's one, I'm putting one up.  Hope this one is okay...

Many people see Colin stabbing Brian to death.  Brian’s body is recovered nearby one week later, evidently having been stabbed to death, but Colin is not even considered a suspect.  Why?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 12:29
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 12:31
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?

Damn you Mandle.  (Although, in retrospect, I was concerned that part may be a bit too obvious.)

However, that's not the full solution.  ;)


YES
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?


NO


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 12:33
Did Colin have a solid alibi for when Brian was murdered?
Was Colin also killed and thus couldn't be considered a suspect?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 12:36
Case #12 - Many people see Colin stabbing Brian to death.  Brian’s body is recovered nearby one week later, evidently having been stabbed to death, but Colin is not even considered a suspect.  Why?


YES
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?
Did Colin have a solid alibi for when Brian was murdered?
Was Colin also killed and thus couldn't be considered a suspect?

YES YES
I HATE YOU  :-D


NO

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 30 Mar 2017, 12:40
Haha! Didn't see the new page, and was just about to post: "Brian and Colin are actors, and Colin has a rock-solid alibi (maybe he's also dead, for example)?" 8-)

From earlier:

Fantastic case! And the process of solving it was really entertaining. That's why I love the game's concept :D

Snarky, that was a really fun round, and also an excellent example of how to build a really strong mystery that is both fun and complex to solve...

I have been taking notes!

Thanks! It's hard to tell as the "DM" whether it's working or not.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 12:44
I think you've solved it thoroughly enough for the full solution to be put up.  Sorry it didn't offer more of a challenge!  :-[

Brian and Colin are actors.  In the play they’re appearing in, Colin stabs Brian to death in one scene.   One week later Brian is found dead, having been stabbed for real in a mugging gone wrong – when he is found, time of death is put at just a few hours ago.  Colin is not even considered a suspect because he died of a heart attack the day after the performance.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 30 Mar 2017, 13:31
Dang, I missed another opportunity cause I didnt check this thread. Oh well I dont have a case in mind right now anyways I will forfeit that one.
I think it should be Mandle's turn now
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 14:06
Sorry it didn't offer more of a challenge!  :-[

Like Snarky just said: as DM it's always hard to tell ahead of time what will be a challenge and what will just be obvious...

I thought my Black Hole riddle was really thinking outside the box and that it would take ages to get it... But...nope...totally busted!

I'm gonna try to create a really intricate one now that runs like the finest clockwork, but it will probably end up just being another digital watch...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 14:27
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES



NO

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 14:47
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 15:00
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 30 Mar 2017, 15:18
Was Richard a weather phenomenon?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 30 Mar 2017, 15:19
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 15:27
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 15:33
Also, at this point in the thread:

Maybe we should make a maximum questions per update rule?

I think 3 questions per update is fair.

In any case I will be enforcing this rule for this round as a test, so please don't ask more than 3 questions until the next update or all further questions will be ignored.

So maybe don't blow all your questions in one post as something someone else mentioned might spark your brain and then you wished you had another question left to ask...

Sorry to sound like a rule Nazi but all games must have structure.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 15:47
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 15:55
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 30 Mar 2017, 16:09
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 16:12
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 30 Mar 2017, 16:14
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 30 Mar 2017, 16:16
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 16:42
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 30 Mar 2017, 17:04
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.

Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 17:11
Was Richard an insect?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Mar 2017, 17:25
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 30 Mar 2017, 18:12
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 30 Mar 2017, 18:38
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 30 Mar 2017, 20:09
Is Richard a:
Troll?
Dwarf?
Elf?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 30 Mar 2017, 20:38
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 30 Mar 2017, 21:12
Is Richard a ghost?

E: Oh, sorry.... sleeping here. Finally had a theory...  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 30 Mar 2017, 21:25
Cassie, that has already been asked and answered no
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 30 Mar 2017, 22:38
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 01:50
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 01:52
Tabata just coloured in a part of the picture, but not enough yet to see the whole story!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 31 Mar 2017, 02:27
Did Jessie not know Richard was a vampire and Richard changed into a bat and fly in through an upstairs window she forgot to close?

Just looking at the what I wrote it can't be it cause you answered no to Can Richard change forms? so Richard can't be a vampire.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 31 Mar 2017, 12:05
you answered no to Can Richard change forms? so Richard can't be a vampire.

That doesn't quite follow.

Was Richard a vampire?
Had Richard been invited into the house before?
Was it Richard's house?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 31 Mar 2017, 12:11
Well it does mean he cant change into a bat to fly in an upstairs window
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 31 Mar 2017, 12:45
Did Jessie not know Richard was a vampire and Richard changed into a bat and fly in through an upstairs window she forgot to close?

Just looking at the what I wrote it can't be it cause you answered no to Can Richard change forms? so Richard can't be a vampire.
Jepp - I stumbeled over it after I posted mine, too. (wtf)
Maybe it was a misunderstanding and Richard can change (is able to do so) but didn't?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 13:03
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 13:10
Snarky fills in another big part of the picture, but a few points are still in need of clarity:

* Why was Jessie in Richard's house?
* Why was she hiding?

Also, vampire legends and stories often have a mixed bag of powers and weaknesses for the bloodsuckers. The type of vampire that can change into a bat is rarely used these days. I can't really think of one recent movie or book where the vampires can change into bats (well, Bram Stoker's Dracula (the movie), but even then he changed into a kind of bat-demon thing with a human size). I think the puff-of-smoke-and-suddenly-he's-a-bat kind of vampire died out in the modern genre just because it's, well, kind of silly and campy. In this story's universe, following the modern vampire lore, the vampires cannot turn into bats.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 31 Mar 2017, 13:24
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 31 Mar 2017, 13:29
(I think you already implicitly answered this, but just to be safe): Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 31 Mar 2017, 13:42
I understand that vampires dont turn into bats in modern day lore, however the part I was referring to in my theory was that he turned into a bat to fly in an upstairs window.

My question:
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 14:26
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire? (Well, she knew the moment she saw him.)
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 14:30
I understand that vampires dont turn into bats in modern day lore, however the part I was referring to in my theory was that he turned into a bat to fly in an upstairs window.

Understood. I was just commenting to clear up any general confusion over why Richard was a vampire but couldn't transform into a bat or a wolf etc.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 31 Mar 2017, 14:36
Did Richard know it was Jessie that he was killing?
Did Richard actually intend to kill her?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 31 Mar 2017, 15:01
Was Jessie fleeing from some other vampire (or someone she thought was a vampire)?
Do we need to know something more about the setting of the story in order to solve it? (E.g. that it takes place on the moon, or that it's a town where everyone's a vampire)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 31 Mar 2017, 15:10
Well it was Richard's house so he had a key to get in but:

Did Jessie think the house had been abandoned?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 31 Mar 2017, 17:24
Did she think that Richard is a priest and able to protect her?
Did Richard want to make her his bride?


btw.
My 'youngest' movie about vampires is from 2015, so not that old.
It was Hotel Transsylvania 2 and those still changed into bats to fly. :undecided:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 17:34
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire? (Well, she knew the moment she saw him.)
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
Did Richard actually intend to kill her?
Was Jessie fleeing from some other vampire (or someone she thought was a vampire)? (Wording not exactly right...but yes-ish)
Do we need to know something more about the setting of the story in order to solve it? (E.g. that it takes place on the moon, or that it's a town where everyone's a vampire)
Did Jessie think the house had been abandoned?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Did Richard know it was Jessie that he was killing? (No, meaning that he did not know her name was Jessie)
Did she think that Richard is a priest and able to protect her?
Did Richard want to make her his bride?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 31 Mar 2017, 17:36
My 'youngest' movie about vampires is from 2015, so not that old.
It was Hotel Transsylvania 2 and those still changed into bats to fly. :undecided:

Yeah, in comedy movies about vampires it's still stomachable. (laugh)

Also: Most of the parts of the picture seem to have been almost coloured in...

Solutions and further questions always welcome!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 31 Mar 2017, 19:06
Jessie ran into a house she thought was abandoned but since the house belonged to Richard he was able to get inside with a key. She let him in cause she was fleeing some other vampire but once inside she realized Richard was also a vampire and he killed her. What else needs to be solved? How he might have gotten into his own house other than using a key?
Perhaps she is avoiding a vampire apocalypse.
Maybe the vampire she was fleeing bit Richard and he turned into a vampire once he was inside?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 01 Apr 2017, 03:01
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?


YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire? (Well, she knew the moment she saw him.)
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
Did Richard actually intend to kill her?
Was Jessie fleeing from some other vampire (or someone she thought was a vampire)? (Wording not exactly right...but yes-ish)
Do we need to know something more about the setting of the story in order to solve it? (E.g. that it takes place on the moon, or that it's a town where everyone's a vampire)
Did Jessie think the house had been abandoned?
Perhaps she is avoiding a vampire apocalypse?


NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Did Richard know it was Jessie that he was killing? (No, meaning that he did not know her name was Jessie)
Did she think that Richard is a priest and able to protect her?
Did Richard want to make her his bride?
Maybe the vampire she was fleeing bit Richard and he turned into a vampire once he was inside?

NOT QUITE RIGHT SOLUTIONS
Jessie ran into a house she thought was abandoned but since the house belonged to Richard he was able to get inside with a key. She let him in cause she was fleeing some other vampire but once inside she realized Richard was also a vampire and he killed her.


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 01 Apr 2017, 03:05
dayowlron has coloured in pretty much the rest of the picture with one of his questions. Can anyone see the whole picture and explain it?

Whenever possible with not quite right solutions I will do as I have done with this one and colour the parts of it that are correct with green, and the parts that aren't with red.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 03:16
Was he able to get inside cause he knew of a secret doorway?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 01 Apr 2017, 13:14
Was it Halloween?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 01 Apr 2017, 13:39
Was Richard to all appearances dead, so Jessie thought she was safe, but he was actually only sleeping / hibernating?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 01 Apr 2017, 13:44
It's not clear to me what part of the story is still missing:

Jessie was fleeing a vampire apocalypse. She thought the house was abandoned, so she sought shelter there (this doesn't really make sense to me, since I would expect that vampires can enter abandoned houses, but OK). But it was actually Richard's house, so he could get in, and he killed her.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 01 Apr 2017, 15:14
Was Richard already in the house before Jessie hid there?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 01 Apr 2017, 15:33
It's not clear to me what part of the story is still missing:

It was not so much that any part was missing, more that I figured the round ends when somebody posts a correct solution by putting the data together from the YES and NO lists so that it is clear that they understood the entire situation...Which you have done:

Jessie was fleeing a vampire apocalypse. She thought the house was abandoned, so she sought shelter there (this doesn't really make sense to me, since I would expect that vampires can enter abandoned houses, but OK). But it was actually Richard's house, so he could get in, and he killed her.

YES!!!

SOLUTION:
  It started with sporadic attacks here and there, but with every night that passed the situation worsened.
  The vampire curse spread quickly throughout the major cities of the world until it reached apocalyptic levels. The vampires were now in the majority. Jessie managed to flee her city and came upon an isolated country homestead before night fell once again. Even though the house had already been broken into and some supplies had probably already been looted, she found there was still a massive stockpile of canned food, which the looters had not had the means to haul away. She decided to make this her haven, having observed that vampires could not enter a house occupied by a human unless invited in by them.
  Weeks passed, with the vampires surrounding her haven every night, their glowing eyes a vast field of red pin-pricks in the darkness, pleading for her to let them in. They scratched on the windows, whispering that she would be much better off just giving in and joining them. But Jessie wanted to retain her humanity for as long as she could. There was at least a year's worth of food stocked in the house, and the plumbing was still working for now.
  And the bloodsuckers had no way to get at her without her invitation...
  But, on the fateful night our story takes place, the door burst open and Richard strode right in, his eyes glowing bright red.
  Jessie fell back in horror and cried out "You can't enter this house! I didn't invite you!"
  To which Richard replied "Why would I need an invitation?"
 
  "This is my house."

  Richard's red eyes and sharp fangs were the last things Jessie saw before dying, but not the last things she ever saw...


Yeah, I dramatized the solution just a tad...

Snarky was the first to put the whole picture together as a posted solution, but also Tabata and dayowlron helped piece the story together with important questions.

I guess Snarky, Tabata, and dayowlron are all viable for hosting the next round.

Whoever wants it first I guess...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 16:06
I have one that may be quick.
Case #14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 01 Apr 2017, 16:20
Just on the side though:

As DM I thought my round went quite well. I thought the story was solid and the progress made by players was at about the right level to be challenging but not frustrating.

Any feedback on my handling of the round would be very welcome.

Also, did anyone have fun with it?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 16:54
I thought your case went well.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 01 Apr 2017, 18:14
Yeah, I thought it was good. I do think it's a bit of a difficulty – which I've had a lot in my cases too – when it seems like the "riddle" itself is solved, but there's some part of the story that hasn't been found, and hasn't really been posed as a mystery or question.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 01 Apr 2017, 18:15
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 01 Apr 2017, 19:31
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 19:47
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?


Yes
nothing yet


No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 01 Apr 2017, 20:17
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 01 Apr 2017, 20:33
Did he left the TV/Radio on?  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 20:48
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?


Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)


No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 01 Apr 2017, 20:52
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 21:03
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?


Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)


No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 01 Apr 2017, 21:28
Just to be sure:

Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 01 Apr 2017, 21:34
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 01 Apr 2017, 21:41
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 21:43
I have a feeling this one will go quickly.

case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?


Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?


No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 01 Apr 2017, 21:56
Did Bob deliberately incriminate himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 22:02
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?


Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?


No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
Did Bob deliberately incriminate himself?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 01 Apr 2017, 22:04
Did the screams come from the person Bob murdered?
Was someone else in Bob's office at any time between him leaving and coworkers entering it?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 01 Apr 2017, 22:22
Was Bob talking to the victim on the phone prior to him leaving the office?
Was Bob so "mad" that he left in a hurry leaving the Phone of the hook?
Did he reached the victim and murder him/her before the victim disconnect his/her phone?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 01 Apr 2017, 23:48
I believe I can declare Cassie the winner. The only piece missing that I had in mind was when the coworkers went into the office they heard Bob committing the murder.

case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?


Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?
Did the screams come from the person Bob murdered?
Was Bob talking to the victim on the phone prior to him leaving the office?
Was Bob so "mad" that he left in a hurry leaving the Phone of the hook?
Did he reached the victim and murder him/her before the victim disconnect his/her phone?


No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
Did Bob deliberately incriminate himself?
Was someone else in Bob's office at any time between him leaving and coworkers entering it?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 02 Apr 2017, 00:28
Cool!  :-D

Yeah, but Snarky had already asked that, so we already knew that.  ;)

Someone take the next case, please. I've got nothing.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 02 Apr 2017, 08:10
Did the coworkers get murdered?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 02 Apr 2017, 12:55
The case was made up but I did not have them murdered.
Anyone have a new case yet?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 02 Apr 2017, 13:34
Sorry, but 'my case' will have to wait until I get a stable connection back. :~(
Instead of becoming better it's worse
and even my smart phone is acting strange
(this morning I got 32 notifications at once from here :shocked: )
and at home I just had about 3 hours of connection to be possible during the last week (wtf)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 02 Apr 2017, 16:18
So... if no one else wants this round, I have one for you:

Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.

What's going on there, eh?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 02 Apr 2017, 16:19
Was the criminal a human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 02 Apr 2017, 17:01
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.

Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]


No
...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 02 Apr 2017, 17:18
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 02 Apr 2017, 17:36
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 02 Apr 2017, 18:11
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.


Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]

No
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 02 Apr 2017, 18:20
does sealed in this case mean airtight?
Did he just open the door?
Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily?
Is the criminal arrested by police?
Is the sealed room a police room?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 02 Apr 2017, 23:10
I'm not inclined to enforce Mandle's "only three guesses per round" rule, but maybe not quite so many at a time, hmm?

Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]
Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Is the criminal arrested by police? [law enforcement, anyway]


No
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Does "sealed" in this case mean airtight?
Did he just open the door?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily? [or maybe; hard to say]
Is the sealed room a police room?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 02 Apr 2017, 23:17
Was the room an execution chamber?
Was the room a teleporter?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 02 Apr 2017, 23:39
Is it a sci fi story?
Was he teleported out of the room?
Was the sealed room also locked?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 02 Apr 2017, 23:56
By sealed room do you mean there was not a trap door or vent he could crawl out?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 00:30
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]
Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Is the criminal arrested by police? [law enforcement, anyway]
Was he teleported out of the room? [not exactly, but close]
By sealed room do you mean there was not a trap door or vent he could crawl out? [there was not]


No
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Does "sealed" in this case mean airtight?
Did he just open the door?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily? [or maybe; hard to say]
Is the sealed room a police room?
Was the room an execution chamber?
Was the room a teleporter?
Is it a sci fi story?
Was the sealed room also locked? [barred, but not locked]
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 03 Apr 2017, 01:05
Was the criminal already dead?
Was he put in a coffin?
Was the coffin burned?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 08:46
was the criminal put in the room actually a hologram?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 09:01
Well this is embarrassing... I got a pretty key detail wrong. Not even sure it's worth doing it now... but I suspect you'll get it at this point anyway:

Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]
Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Is the criminal arrested by police? [law enforcement, anyway]
By sealed room do you mean there was not a trap door or vent he could crawl out? [there was not]
Corrected: Did he just open the door? [not "just", but it turns out that getting the door open was part of it]
Was the criminal already dead?


No
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Does "sealed" in this case mean airtight?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily? [or maybe; hard to say]
Is the sealed room a police room?
Was the room an execution chamber?
Was the room a teleporter?
Is it a sci fi story?
Was the sealed room also locked? [barred, but not locked]
Corrected: Was he teleported out of the room? [I thought so, but apparently that happened after disappearing from the room]
Was he put in a coffin?
Was the coffin burned?
Was the criminal put in the room actually a hologram?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 03 Apr 2017, 10:13
Jesus?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 10:19
Jesus?

Ahhhhh... but of course!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 03 Apr 2017, 10:21
That wasn't a guess, that was an exclamation, as in "Jesus, this is difficult", only I accidentally put a question mark there.



Just kidding.
Pretty sure I'm right, so I'm whipping up a new case soon.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 10:43
Hallelujah! ;-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 03 Apr 2017, 10:43
I haven't paid close attention to this thread, so I'm not sure I'm doing this perfectly right, but here goes.

Case 16
A man lies dead on a parking lot, near a van. Two sets of tire tracks are seen.

Ask for more details.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 10:46
@Snarky - Ooh, clever.  Good one!

@Andail:

Did the man die from being run over?
Did the man own the van?
Was one of the sets of tire tracks from the van?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 03 Apr 2017, 11:51
Case 16
A man lies dead on a parking lot, near a van. Two sets of tire tracks are seen.

Yes
Did the man own the van?


No
Did the man die from being run over?
Was one of the sets of tire tracks from the van?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 11:55
Was the man murdered?
Are the other tracks from someone driving away from the scene?
Are all parties involved human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 03 Apr 2017, 12:12
Case 16
A man lies dead on a parking lot, near a van. Two sets of tire tracks are seen.

Yes
Did the man own the van?
Was the man murdered?
Are the other tracks from someone driving away from the scene?
Are all parties involved human?


No
Did the man die from being run over?
Was one of the sets of tire tracks from the van?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 12:25
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?

(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 12:45
Does the man have any gunshot wounds?
Does the man have any blunt trauma wounds?
Does the man have any sharp trauma wounds?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Andail on 03 Apr 2017, 12:50
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?

(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)

Yes.
Ok that was too easy, I'll make it trickier next time.

PS:
The reasoning behind the tire marks was that you'd only see those made by the swerving/speeding wheels of the Libyans' van and the DeLorean (Doc arrived in his own van, which supposedly arrived gently and without leaving any marks), the DeLorean's tracks even being on fire. And I didn't even get to the point where those tracks end very abruptly...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 14:14
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?

(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)

Yes.
Ok that was too easy, I'll make it trickier next time.

PS:
The reasoning behind the tire marks was that you'd only see those made by the swerving/speeding wheels of the Libyans' van and the DeLorean (Doc arrived in his own van, which supposedly arrived gently and without leaving any marks), the DeLorean's tracks even being on fire. And I didn't even get to the point where those tracks end very abruptly...

I don't know why I flashed immediately to Back To The Future, but as soon as I did I was pretty sure I was right.

Maybe I read your mind for a brief moment there?

I was even going to ask, at first, if one of the sets of tire tracks ended suddenly... By the way, wouldn't there have been three sets of tire tracks? One from the Libyans, one from the first test of the time machine with Einstein, and the third from when Marty escaped in the Delorean?

I'm coming up with a new case...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 14:35
After quite a bit of thought, I'll try this one I came up with that I think might work... We'll see I guess:

I'm going to use my max 3-question per update rule, and also I'm probably not going to be commenting on questions in brackets. I'm going to try to place the questions in YES and NO as well as I can without comments. I hope I can do so without screwing it up too much...

Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?


YES



NO

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 14:56
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 03 Apr 2017, 14:58
Was he playing Russian roulette?
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:04
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 15:08
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 03 Apr 2017, 15:08
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:14
By the way, this could count as one of the most epic wins so far if I do say so myself: 8-)

Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?

(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)

I'm not even sure myself how I got it that fast, but something in my gut told me I was right.

BIG sorry to Andail though... I know how it feels to have your riddle, that you thought was solid, busted early on from out of the blue... Just look back some pages to where Snarky busted my black-hole one...

That being said... WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!! It felt GREAT!!!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:17
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 03 Apr 2017, 15:20
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?

he is an actor and in the play he has to shoot himself in the head and die. He continues to do this in one play after another then one time he hears a balloon pop or some other loud bang and thinks he actually shot himself, but dies from a heart attack?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 15:23
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:26
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 15:27
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:29
he is an actor and in the play he has to shoot himself in the head and die. He continues to do this in one play after another then one time he hears a balloon pop or some other loud bang and thinks he actually shot himself, but dies from a heart attack?

(wrong)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 15:31
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:34
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 15:36
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 03 Apr 2017, 15:39
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 03 Apr 2017, 15:43
The clue confusing me is you said he dies from doing so but then you answered no to did he die from being shot with the gun.

did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 03 Apr 2017, 16:07
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 16:10
So far my theory is... he shot the gun, perhaps messing around knowing (thinking) it was empty, but inside the chamber and thus released by firing was some king of toxic fume that he eventually died from inhaling / some kind of small pellet that didn't in itself cause major damage, but broke the skin and introduced a toxic substance into the body, thus eventually killing him.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 03 Apr 2017, 16:12
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 03 Apr 2017, 16:17
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 03 Apr 2017, 16:18
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 03 Apr 2017, 17:08
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 03 Apr 2017, 17:45
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 03 Apr 2017, 21:58
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
(laugh)

Was it a paintball gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 00:03
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 00:04
So far my theory is... he shot the gun, perhaps messing around knowing (thinking) it was empty, but inside the chamber and thus released by firing was some king of toxic fume that he eventually died from inhaling / some kind of small pellet that didn't in itself cause major damage, but broke the skin and introduced a toxic substance into the body, thus eventually killing him.

(wrong)

Oh, the list was updated the post before this one, on the previous page...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Apr 2017, 08:41
Is it an ordinary handgun? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 09:33
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Apr 2017, 09:52
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 04 Apr 2017, 12:41
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?

not sure why he would be pointing a radar gun at his head.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 04 Apr 2017, 13:00
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 13:49
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Apr 2017, 14:04
Hmm... possible inspiration (??)...

Was he firing at himself in a mirror?  (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 04 Apr 2017, 15:50
after a trip to google...

Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?  (roll)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 04 Apr 2017, 16:29
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 16:54
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror?  (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 04 Apr 2017, 16:56
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 16:59
Also remember that I'm answering this case in pure YES and NO categories so if too many specifics are asked in a single question it could get put in the NO list.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 04 Apr 2017, 17:19
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 04 Apr 2017, 17:23
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?

Remember he answered no to did he die instantly after firing the gun.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 04 Apr 2017, 17:58
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 18:13
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror?  (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 04 Apr 2017, 18:35
Is the shooting somehow keeping him alive (for as long as he does)?
Does the toxin he dies of come from the gun?
Does the gun fire a physical substance (in projectile, jet or some other form)?

Actually, if I only get three questions, I'll change the third one:
Is the gun something that really exists in our world? (As opposed to a sci-fi/fantasy device)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 04 Apr 2017, 19:16
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
Is the gun something that really exists in our world? (As opposed to a sci-fi/fantasy device)


NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror?  (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is the shooting somehow keeping him alive (for as long as he does)?
Does the toxin he dies of come from the gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 04 Apr 2017, 19:44
Is it one of those fake guns that is a lighter?
Does he smoke and lighten whatever he is smoking with the gun?
Did he die because of smoking "many times"?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 04 Apr 2017, 20:03
Ah, I bet Tabata's got it, and the thing that kills him is simply tobacco smoking.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 04 Apr 2017, 21:27
I agree.  (nod)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 04 Apr 2017, 21:36
D'oh...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 04 Apr 2017, 21:40
It definitely does fit all the clues
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 01:13
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?

YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
Is the gun something that really exists in our world? (As opposed to a sci-fi/fantasy device)
Is it one of those fake guns that is a lighter?
Does he smoke and lighten whatever he is smoking with the gun?
Did he die because of smoking "many times"?



NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror?  (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is the shooting somehow keeping him alive (for as long as he does)?
Does the toxin he dies of come from the gun?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 01:16
Well done to Tabata!!!

Solution: The man is a heavy smoker of many years and he uses a novelty gun-shaped (refillable, we must assume) lighter to light his cigarettes with. Eventually this kills him from a smoking-related disease.

That round lasted longer than I expected for a riddle I came up with on the fly. It's hard to predict what will be easy/challenging. Kinda the same as with adventure game puzzle design!

Over to you Tabata?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 05 Apr 2017, 05:08
Yay! 8-) That was a good one! (nod)
Sadly I am still just with my smartphone. :~(

So if someone has a case in mind - take the chance and shoot!

Edit:
If someone want to host a case but hasn't one to offer - first to post his/her wish here will get one of mine via pm as soon as I can go online again. :kiss:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 13:45
If noone minds then I do have another one I've been thinking about:

Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES



NO

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 05 Apr 2017, 15:45
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 15:47
If noone minds then I do have another one I've been thinking about:

Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES



NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 05 Apr 2017, 15:54
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 16:00
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES



NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 05 Apr 2017, 16:24
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 05 Apr 2017, 16:25
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 16:31
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?


NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 05 Apr 2017, 16:45
Is the ghost himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 18:00
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?


NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 05 Apr 2017, 18:08
Is Is what he was eating of any importance?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 05 Apr 2017, 18:14
Did he die of natural causes?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 05 Apr 2017, 19:26
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 05 Apr 2017, 19:49
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 05 Apr 2017, 23:23
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Is what he was eating of any importance?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?


NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 06 Apr 2017, 00:36
Was the ghost of an animal?
Did he see the ghost in the food?
Was it a slice of toast?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 06 Apr 2017, 07:12
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Is what he was eating of any importance?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?


NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Was the ghost of an animal?
Did he see the ghost in the food?
Was it a slice of toast?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 06 Apr 2017, 08:17
Was it the ghost who was eating?
was the man possessed by a ghost?
was the man an undead?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 06 Apr 2017, 09:00
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 06 Apr 2017, 09:34
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.

Genius!  Well done you (assuming you're right) and well done Mandle (assuming it's right).
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 06 Apr 2017, 11:00
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?

YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Is what he was eating of any importance?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.


NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Was the ghost of an animal?
Did he see the ghost in the food?
Was it a slice of toast?
Was it the ghost who was eating?
was the man possessed by a ghost?
was the man an undead?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 06 Apr 2017, 11:01
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.

WELL DONE, GUROK! Man, that was a great leap of intuition! You are a true detective. I really thought the round would last a tad longer... (laugh)

Over to you if you want one, or the floor is open if not.

Genius!  Well done you (assuming you're right) and well done Mandle (assuming it's right).

Cheers! I thought it was a rather good one if I do say so myself... 8-)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 06 Apr 2017, 15:08
Thanks, Mandle! It was a very lucky guess, but after I'd made it, I was pretty sure of it. I was just reading through the clues again at work today and it struck me.

Let's see if I can do this.

Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 06 Apr 2017, 15:12
die of diabetic shock?
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 06 Apr 2017, 15:43
Oh my God! Willy Wonka killed Forrest Gump for having a more famous quote about chocolates than him!!!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 06 Apr 2017, 16:29
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?


NO
die of diabetic shock?


Oh my God! Willy Wonka killed Forrest Gump for having a more famous quote about chocolates than him!!!

Sorry, not even close! The motive is strong though, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 06 Apr 2017, 18:28
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 07 Apr 2017, 00:25
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 07 Apr 2017, 01:28
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 07 Apr 2017, 02:14
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 07 Apr 2017, 03:30
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 07 Apr 2017, 06:33
Was it Valentine's Day?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 07 Apr 2017, 07:38
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 07 Apr 2017, 08:51
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?

(I have the oddest feeling that this case is from an episode of Columbo!!)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 07 Apr 2017, 13:06
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?

(I have the oddest feeling that this case is from an episode of Columbo!!)

Ah, so the man went to meet his lover at a hotel on Valentine's Day, and found her sitting facing away from him, he took out the chocolates to give her, but it was actually his wife wearing a wig, or possibly it was his lover's dead body and the wife came out from the bathroom. Either was, his wife shot him dead.

Something like that?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 07 Apr 2017, 13:37
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.


Mandle: Ah, so the man went to meet his lover at a hotel on Valentine's Day, and found her sitting facing away from him, he took out the chocolates to give her, but it was actually his wife wearing a wig, or possibly it was his lover's dead body and the wife came out from the bathroom. Either was, his wife shot him dead.

You might be getting off the trail with this one. Try probing for more clues first.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 07 Apr 2017, 13:57
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 07 Apr 2017, 14:09
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Were the chocolates meant for his wife?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 07 Apr 2017, 16:04
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 07 Apr 2017, 16:17
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 07 Apr 2017, 21:26
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else and the wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 07 Apr 2017, 23:15
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 07 Apr 2017, 23:23
Did he brought the chocolates?
Did his wife brought the chocolates?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 08 Apr 2017, 08:43
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?


dayowlron, I broke your question up into two parts
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 08 Apr 2017, 09:14
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 08 Apr 2017, 11:04
Nevermind... I missed some key points
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 08 Apr 2017, 11:09
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 08 Apr 2017, 11:29
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 08 Apr 2017, 11:42
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 08 Apr 2017, 11:56
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 08 Apr 2017, 12:24
Solution: The man bought two seperate but identical boxes of chocolates for his wife, and his lover for Valentine's Day. He put a letter inside both boxes, but he got the boxes mixed up. The wife read the note meant for his lover and thus found out about her husband's affair. So she killed him.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 08 Apr 2017, 12:36
Mandle, that's already been suggested and put in the NO pile.

Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 08 Apr 2017, 12:39
Mandle, that's already been suggested and put in the NO pile.

Yeah, but it seems mainly because "too many variables" so I took out the "and/or" part...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 08 Apr 2017, 12:41
I took that to mean that it was partially correct (as we have found) but that some part was wrong. Otherwise it would have to go in the YES pile, even if not accepted as a complete solution, surely?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 08 Apr 2017, 14:28
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?


Mandle:

Solution: The man bought two seperate but identical boxes of chocolates for his wife, and his lover for Valentine's Day. He put a letter inside both boxes, but he got the boxes mixed up. The wife read the note meant for his lover and thus found out about her husband's affair. So she killed him.

This is more convoluted than what took place.

Snarky:

Mandle, that's already been suggested and put in the NO pile.

I took that to mean that it was partially correct (as we have found) but that some part was wrong. Otherwise it would have to go in the YES pile, even if not accepted as a complete solution, surely?

I think I meant to say it was too convoluted as well as having the and/or. It's firmly in the no pile.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 08 Apr 2017, 14:42
So do you just want "his wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him"?

Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 08 Apr 2017, 14:51
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?


I think the chocolates are pretty much solved now. Why was he in the hotel?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 08 Apr 2017, 15:16
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Did her wife followed him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 08 Apr 2017, 23:06
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 09 Apr 2017, 07:50
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 09 Apr 2017, 08:39
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 09 Apr 2017, 08:40
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did she worked as delivery girl?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 09 Apr 2017, 13:13
So she found two boxes of chocolates and knew that there must exist a second valentine.
If she didn't folow him to the hotel (where he met his lover) she must have been there already.

Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 09 Apr 2017, 20:53
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 10 Apr 2017, 01:36
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did she worked as delivery girl?


Someone put it all together, please!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 05:01
Did he get the hotel keys mixed up when he gave them to wife and lover?
Did the wife go to the lover's room and find the lover's chocolates there?
Did the man go to the wrong room by accident?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 10 Apr 2017, 05:59
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
Did he get the hotel keys mixed up when he gave them to wife and lover?
Did the wife go to the lover's room and find the lover's chocolates there?
Did the man go to the wrong room by accident? - You could say he left the room for a bit


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did she worked as delivery girl?


I think you have everything now.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 06:11
Was the man alternating between his wife's room and lover's room?
Did he bring the lover's chocolates to the wife by mistake?
Did he leave the chocolates in the wife's room by mistake?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 10 Apr 2017, 06:16
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?

YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?
Was the man alternating between his wife's room and lover's room?
Did he leave the chocolates in the wife's room by mistake?


NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" – but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
Did he get the hotel keys mixed up when he gave them to wife and lover?
Did the wife go to the lover's room and find the lover's chocolates there?
Did the man go to the wrong room by accident? - You could say he left the room for a bit
Did he bring the lover's chocolates to the wife by mistake?


AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.


IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did she worked as delivery girl?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 06:20
Solution: A man booked two rooms at the same hotel for his wife and his lover on Valentine's Day. He left the chocolates for his lover in his wife's room by mistake. While he was out visiting his lover in her room his wife opened the chocolates and read the note meant for the lover. Then:

Either the wife waited for him to return and killed him when he did....or....

She tracked him down to his lover's room and killed him there...

He fell into the chair, and the wife threw the chocolates onto his corpse in disgust.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 10 Apr 2017, 06:29
Solution: A man booked two rooms at the same hotel for his wife and his lover on Valentine's Day. He left the chocolates for his lover in his wife's room by mistake. While he was out visiting his lover in her room his wife opened the chocolates and read the note meant for the lover. Then:

Either the wife waited for him to return and killed him when he did....or....

She tracked him down to his lover's room and killed him there...


He fell into the chair, and the wife threw the chocolates onto his corpse in disgust.

Yes. I'll give you this, except there's no note!

I used this as a starting point (obviously changed some details):
http://www.kerngoldenempire.com/news/local-news/duplicate-valentines-day-gift-may-have-served-as-motive-in-murder-of-local-chef/664165595

Case #19 closed!

Chief inspector: Mandle
Assistant inspector (who did a lot of the work): Snarky

Your turn, Mandle.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 06:36
Sweet! That was a nice Valentine's Day massacre!

I'll come up with a new one soon!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 10:39
I thought up two potential cases. I will choose the one I'm guessing might be a better round:

Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES



NO

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: AnasAbdin on 10 Apr 2017, 10:44
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 10 Apr 2017, 10:53
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 11:09
Did he work in a cemetery?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 11:56
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES



NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Danvzare on 10 Apr 2017, 12:00
Did he die in his workplace?

Is his body trapped in a wall?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 12:02
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES



NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 10 Apr 2017, 12:45
Did he work on a pyramid?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 10 Apr 2017, 12:46
Was he cremated?
By body did you mean his body is still in tact?
does he work at a mortuary?
I want to change one of my questions.
Was taxidermy involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 13:06
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 10 Apr 2017, 13:14
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 10 Apr 2017, 13:45
Was he buried at sea?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 10 Apr 2017, 15:15
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 10 Apr 2017, 15:27
Is the man human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:16
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:31
So yeah, I'm going with pure yes or no answers again because I feel that's the best way to run a solid riddle, which I hope this is...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 17:33
Hmm... very intriguing!

Is the body put on long-term display?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 10 Apr 2017, 17:35
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no?
Quote
Does this case take place in modern times?

Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:40
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 17:44
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?

Nah... I'll save one of my questions
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:45
I'm online for about the next 30 minutes and hot to play so if you want answers post your questions fast and furious...

But only 3 at a time please...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:47
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:50
I'm online for about the next 20 minutes and hot to play so if you want answers post your questions fast and furious...

But only 3 at a time please...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 10 Apr 2017, 17:51
Was his body preserved in ice?
Was he found buried?
Did he live in Italy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 17:51
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is it a religious building?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 10 Apr 2017, 17:53
Is his body an exhibit?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 17:54
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:55
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 10 Apr 2017, 17:57
Oh shoot... thought I had figured it out... guess not.  :~(

EDIT: I'll ask anyway...

Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 17:59
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:00
I'm still here to reply in semi-real-time for now...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 18:01
(Wouldn't really have fit the "body not preserved so as not to decay" answer, Cbsg.)

Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:03
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:04
This kind of instant feedback is priceless and fun! Keep the questions coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 10 Apr 2017, 18:07
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:08
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 18:11
YES
Was the building a museum when he worked there?

Surprising! Hmm... someone who worked somewhere that was a museum even in pre-modern times, killed by someone somewhere else (but not because of his job), buried, found but not identified, brought back to the museum and put on exhibit because of how he was killed...

Was the killing a crime?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work (apart from it being a museum in the general area)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 18:12
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?

Sorry, rephrased as yes/no question.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:14
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 18:15
Was he killed in a war?
Was he executed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:18
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:23
Off to bed in about 10 minutes, and then we go back the normal turnaround time for rounds...

Been a rush though to do a bunch of rounds in real time...

For 10 minutes though... we still can...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 10 Apr 2017, 18:36
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is the body medieval?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:38
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 Apr 2017, 18:43
G'night all... looking forward to further questions when I wake up...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 10 Apr 2017, 19:42
wow, let me summarize. A museum employee (a human man) who worked at a museum that is over 500 years old is killed in a war, buried in a mass grave, and recovered from the mass grave and put on display in that same museum.
not sure i know of anyone that worked in a museum over 500 years ago and can't think of very many museums that have been around for over 500 years.

was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 10 Apr 2017, 20:25
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 Apr 2017, 22:02
For a while I thought you might be after one of the Swiss guards who died defending the Tuileries Palace (a now-destroyed wing of the Louvre) during the French Revolution, but I don't know that any of their skeletons are interred (much less on exhibit) there, and anyway it doesn't fit with a number of other clues.

I'm not quite sure what we're supposed to puzzle out at this point. Are you looking for a specific museum? A specific war? His specific job? A particular reason why his skeleton is on display? I don't see how it can be a true story, because if he hasn't been identified there's no way to know that the skeleton once worked in the museum, is there?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 00:20
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 06:13
I'm not quite sure what we're supposed to puzzle out at this point.

The same thing we puzzle out every time, Snarky!

HOW TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

What the reasons are behind what seems a rather strange situation...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 Apr 2017, 09:56
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Is it a museum of history?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 10:28
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: AnasAbdin on 11 Apr 2017, 10:55
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 11 Apr 2017, 11:25
Is the man King Richard III?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 12:11
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 Apr 2017, 12:12
(Richard III is buried in Leicester Cathedral, not on display in a history museum.)

Is the museum located in Europe?
Do dead bodies make up a large proportion (say a majority) of the museum's exhibits?
Are the remains more than 1000 years old?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 11 Apr 2017, 12:35
(Richard III is buried in Leicester Cathedral, not on display in a history museum.)
D'oh yes of course...

Ok let's try to tie down the age of the corpse a bit more.

Are the remains more than 750 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,250 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,500 years old?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 11 Apr 2017, 12:57
Plus he answered no to is this man a historical figure.

I want to know if this case made up or real? i know, yes or no questions, ok:
Is this a real case?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 11 Apr 2017, 13:20
Plus he answered no to is this man a historical figure.

Yes okay point taken, I hadn't been paying enough attention!  :P  I got all enthusiastic about what I thought was a burst of inspiration, but sadly it was just a burst...   :(
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 14:06
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?
Is the museum located in Europe?
Are the remains more than 1000 years old?
Are the remains more than 750 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,250 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,500 years old?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?
Do dead bodies make up a large proportion (say a majority) of the museum's exhibits?
Is this a real case?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 Apr 2017, 14:09
Is time travel involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 14:19
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?

YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?
Is the museum located in Europe?
Are the remains more than 1000 years old?
Are the remains more than 750 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,250 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,500 years old?
Is time travel involved?


NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?
Do dead bodies make up a large proportion (say a majority) of the museum's exhibits?
Is this a real case?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 Apr 2017, 14:38
OK, so a guy works at a museum, somehow gets transported back in time, is killed in some long-ago war, and his remains are uncovered and brought back to the museum as a display.

Maybe he even digs up his own skeleton, or at least studies it in the museum? Maybe that's how he comes across whatever it is that sends him back in time in the first place?

(The story has some echoes of Lest Darkness Fall by L. Sprague de Camp.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 11 Apr 2017, 14:38
Was he originally a time traveler?
Are the remains older than 0 A.D.?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 Apr 2017, 15:22
OK, so a guy works at a museum, somehow gets transported back in time, is killed in some long-ago war, and his remains are uncovered and brought back to the museum as a display.

Maybe he even digs up his own skeleton, or at least studies it in the museum? Maybe that's how he comes across whatever it is that sends him back in time in the first place?

(The story has some echoes of Lest Darkness Fall by L. Sprague de Camp.)

Indeed.

Solution:
The man was so in love with the past that he became an archivist at a museum. But this did not feed his obsession with the past enough, so he worked for many years to invent a time machine so he could go back and see it for himself. He travelled back in time over 50,000 years to prehistoric Europe but, unfortunately for him, he appeared right in the middle of a tribal war and was killed before he could escape.

His skeleton was excavated in modern times and was noteworthy enough for its seemingly advanced evolution compared to the many other skeletons dug up at the site that it was put on display at the museum the man worked at (and we can only assume that this man had perfect teeth so had never needed any dental work, nor had badly broken any bones and hadn't needed a metal bolt or plate inserted).

And, yes, the man did indeed work on the skeleton, preparing it for display, and then walking by it every day at work, never suspecting that it was his own.


(I've never read that story though and this case was my original idea, although I did think later that it does bear a resemblance to a sub-plot in the book/movie "Timeline"...)

I declare Snarky head "time-cop", and hand the next case over to him...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 Apr 2017, 16:19
Anyone else want a go? I feel like I've taken a lot of turns.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 Apr 2017, 06:57
Anyone else want a go? I feel like I've taken a lot of turns.

As have I, but I mentioned that I had thought up two cases and, as nobody else has jumped in, I'll just hog the next round:

Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES



NO



* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 12 Apr 2017, 07:56
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 12 Apr 2017, 08:43
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 Apr 2017, 10:42
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES



NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?



* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 12 Apr 2017, 11:45
D'oh... was he driving when he made the call?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 12 Apr 2017, 12:24
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 12 Apr 2017, 13:03
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 Apr 2017, 13:43
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 12 Apr 2017, 13:47
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 12 Apr 2017, 14:03
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 Apr 2017, 14:35
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 12 Apr 2017, 14:58
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 12 Apr 2017, 15:03
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 Apr 2017, 15:13
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 12 Apr 2017, 15:35
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 Apr 2017, 16:01
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 12 Apr 2017, 17:34
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 12 Apr 2017, 18:20
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 00:01
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 Apr 2017, 04:25
Is he deaf?
Is he dump?
Is he in prison?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 06:18
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 13 Apr 2017, 08:22
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 09:05
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 Apr 2017, 09:15
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 13 Apr 2017, 09:29
NO
[...]
Was there a theft?
[...]


Just to clarify this point: Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)


When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Or, someone picked up but didn't say anything?

Was he calling someone he knew?
A friend? Family member?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 13 Apr 2017, 09:34
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?  (roll)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 13 Apr 2017, 10:05
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 10:37
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 13 Apr 2017, 11:03
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 13:02
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 13 Apr 2017, 13:46
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly?*
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?

* Man, it's hard to express that idea concisely in English! In Norwegian it's a single word: vinningskriminalitet ("crime for gain")
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 13 Apr 2017, 13:56
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 13 Apr 2017, 14:22
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 14:57
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 13 Apr 2017, 15:02
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 Apr 2017, 15:40
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 13 Apr 2017, 16:22
Are fingerprints evidence?
Is the call record evidence?
Did he call from his home phone?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 13 Apr 2017, 16:29
I can probably answer a couple of those. he said it wasnt a violent crime so not likely a murder. he also says its not a theft not a blackmail. and he answered yes to call made from his own phone but not sure if it would mean office or home.
Anyways, my question is: you answered yes and no to was the call a signal to someone.
Was the signal received by the other person?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 16:44
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 Apr 2017, 16:51
I'll just quickly explain something here:

"Is the call record evidence?" appears in the YES list because the call record is something that would probably be used eventually in the trial against the man, but it's a trivial point in solving the case.

"The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?" appears in the NO list because it is not specifically the thing that incrimidated the man. At the time of the question I took it as an attempt to narrow down an earlier question from Snarky that proposed several possibilities.

Semantics issues... but not really important in solving the case.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 13 Apr 2017, 17:14
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 Apr 2017, 19:53
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 00:23
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to prevent a crime?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 14 Apr 2017, 04:44
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 05:25
Okay, the list is getting very long so I'm going to start doing micro-updates and then update the full list now and then instead of every time:

YES
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?

NO
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Apr 2017, 07:29
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 14 Apr 2017, 08:04
Soo... is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 08:27
YES
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?


NO
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?



Tabata, Cassie, and CaptainD have just filled in a lot of the blanks, but there is still much to discover about this case.

But well done on the massive progress just made!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Apr 2017, 10:52
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 11:58
YES
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?


NO
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 14 Apr 2017, 12:56
During the committing of the crime he got his phone switched with the victims, then when he lost his cell he tried to call it and police found it at the scene of the crime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 13:14
During the committing of the crime he got his phone switched with the victims, then when he lost his cell he tried to call it and police found it at the scene of the crime?

(wrong)

And even if some parts might be right, you need to state as individual questions... Later on I might show green and red portions of attempted solutions if it's just tracking down minor details. But for now the real meat of the case still hasn't been carved...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 14 Apr 2017, 13:36
Was his phone found at the scene of a police raid/drug bust?
Was he a member of an illegal organization?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 14 Apr 2017, 13:43
Did he get his phone switched with the victims?
Is this a victimless crime? (examples: prostitution, drug use, gambling)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 14 Apr 2017, 14:10
Was the crime a robbery?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 14 Apr 2017, 14:53
Are there important informations on that mobile?
Since he isn't a blackmailer - is it him who has been blackmailed?
Was he forced to act outside the law?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Apr 2017, 15:24
Was there a ransom involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 17:29
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Was his phone found at the scene of a police raid/drug bust?
Was he a member of an illegal organization?
Did he get his phone switched with the victims?
Is this a victimless crime? (examples: prostitution, drug use, gambling)
Was the crime a robbery?
Are there important informations on that mobile?
Since he isn't a blackmailer - is it him who has been blackmailed?
Was he forced to act outside the law?
Was there a ransom involved?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Apr 2017, 17:39
Was he stealing information?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 17:48
NO
Was he stealing information?


Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 14 Apr 2017, 18:12
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Apr 2017, 19:22
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 Apr 2017, 23:13
YES
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?



NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 16 Apr 2017, 14:40
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place? (That's a bit of a tongue-twister! (laugh))
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Apr 2017, 01:27
YES
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?



NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 17 Apr 2017, 07:07
Were there more than one victim?
Was anyone physically hurt?
Did the man fail to pay for something?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Apr 2017, 11:09
YES
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?



NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place?
Were there more than one victim?
Was anyone physically hurt?
Did the man fail to pay for something?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 17 Apr 2017, 13:33
I'm really having a hard time trying to think of a crime that hasn't been ruled out. Unless it's something that has fallen through the cracks because of the wording of some questions...

Let me recap:

Not a violent crime (including murder) or hate crime, kidnapping, stalking or any kind of threat/blackmail/ransom. No one physically injured.
Not a theft, robbery, failure to pay (e.g. like a dine-and-dash), scam or fraud.
Not vandalism or a hit-and-run. (The phrasing of questions here leaves the possibility open for some other destruction of property) 
Not a trade in illegal goods (including organs and human trafficking), or drug-related in any other way.
Not a "victimless crime" (e.g. prostitution, gambling). Nor espionage, information theft, conspiracy or membership in an illegal organization.

The crime was NOT premeditated. He had no accomplices. It happened indoors. The criminal did not know the victim. The (single) victim was present at the crime scene, but unaware (at the time) that they were the victim of a crime. Whether it was a crime to gain money (or something of value) illicitly is ambiguous.

OK, let's try this:

Was the crime an accident of some kind?
Did it involve the failure to carry out some mandatory responsibility (e.g. take care of a child)?
Is what he did a crime under current UK law?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 17 Apr 2017, 13:50
Did the man realise he had committed a crime at the time?
Was the victim human?
Did the man cause damage to someone else's property?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Apr 2017, 16:09
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?

YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
Was the crime an accident of some kind?
Did it involve the failure to carry out some mandatory responsibility (e.g. take care of a child)?
Is what he did a crime under current UK law? (Under extreme circumstances usually, but these are such...)
Was the victim human?


NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Was his phone found at the scene of a police raid/drug bust?
Was he a member of an illegal organization?
Did he get his phone switched with the victims?
Is this a victimless crime? (examples: prostitution, drug use, gambling)
Was the crime a robbery?
Are there important informations on that mobile?
Since he isn't a blackmailer - is it him who has been blackmailed?
Was he forced to act outside the law?
Was there a ransom involved?
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place?
Were there more than one victim?
Was anyone physically hurt?
Did the man fail to pay for something?
Did the man realise he had committed a crime at the time?
Did the man cause damage to someone else's property?


* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 17 Apr 2017, 16:11
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 17 Apr 2017, 16:14
YES



NO
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 17 Apr 2017, 16:16
Was a child/pet involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 17 Apr 2017, 18:04
Nighthawk:

NO
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?

Maybe rephrase to "a" child/pet.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 17 Apr 2017, 18:09
COULD the crime have led to someone being hurt?
Was the man intoxicated?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 17 Apr 2017, 18:11
Was the crime arson?
Was there any destruction of property?

so many questions I dont know if either of those have been asked.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 17 Apr 2017, 18:34
Sorry, if something of this already has been asked, but scrolling back until I find a complete list to check (and translate some of the stated aspects) isn't that easy for me right now - also I lack of new ideas about what crime he might be guilty from.   :-[


Had the man committed fraud?
Has he mediated babies (illegal)?
He was trading organs?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 00:15
YES
COULD the crime have led to someone being hurt?
Was the man intoxicated?


NO
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Was a child/pet involved?
Has he mediated babies (illegal)?


I've only answered the ones that haven't been asked before.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Apr 2017, 00:30
What does "mediated babies" mean?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 00:39
What does "mediated babies" mean?

I'm assuming it means abortion. But as there are no babies involved I put safely in the no list.

Also: I wouldn't make up a riddle that involved abortion. That's just no-go territory!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Stupot+ on 18 Apr 2017, 04:11
Did the phone call trigger an explosion?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 18 Apr 2017, 05:59
What does "mediated babies" mean?
I fear that 'my friend' Google (translate) fooled me wit this. :-[
I tried to ask if he sells them (to those who can't adopt)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 18 Apr 2017, 08:19
It's a long list, I hope I don't repeat anything.

Was the crime an act of negligence?
Was the victim someone elderly?
Or someone with some kind of disability? (Mental? Physical?)
Did the crime happen at his place of work?
Does he work in a care home for the elderly or disabled?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Apr 2017, 09:02
Was the man working when he caused the accident?
Did the outcome of what he did only become apparent later? (E.g. an electrician wiring up something incorrectly so that a day later someone gets electrocuted)
Did the victim become aware of the crime before police got involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 12:19
YES
COULD the crime have led to someone being hurt?
Was the man intoxicated?
Was the crime an act of negligence?
Was the victim someone with some kind of disability? (Mental? Physical?)
Did the crime happen at his place of work?
Was the man working when he caused the accident?
Did the outcome of what he did only become apparent later? (E.g. an electrician wiring up something incorrectly so that a day later someone gets electrocuted)
Did the victim become aware of the crime before police got involved?


NO
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Was a child/pet involved?
Has he mediated babies (illegal)?
Did the phone call trigger an explosion?
Was the victim someone elderly?
Does he work in a care home for the elderly or disabled?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 18 Apr 2017, 12:48
Did he work with medical equipment?
Was he a health care worker? (Nurse? Doctor? Caregiver?)
Did the crime happen at the home of the victim?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Apr 2017, 13:05
Was he a surgeon who drunkenly left his cell phone inside a patient?

Edit: Wait, I'm not sure that fits the "no one was actually hurt" clue...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 13:25
Was he a surgeon who drunkenly left his cell phone inside a patient?

Edit: Wait, I'm not sure that fits the "no one was actually hurt" clue...

As the rest of the clues leading to the full solution have already been exposed, and as I'm quite sure they led Snarky to his conclusion:

I'd say that qualifies as a WIN!!!

SOLUTION
The man was a surgeon with a drinking problem. He performed a surgery, while drunk, to implant a pacemaker in a patient but failed to remove his smart-watch before the operation. During the operation the watch came loose and fell into the patient's open chest cavity and quickly became lost amongst organs and blood.

Upon returning home the surgeon noticed the watch missing and wondered where he'd lost it so he called it from his home phone in the hope that either it would ring somewhere nearby in his home, or that somebody had found it and would answer.

Instead the watch rang inside the patient's body. Greatly disturbed to hear a ring-tone coming from inside his chest, the patient called an orderly and, an X-ray later, the missing smart-watch was located inside his chest and removed by a different surgeon.

As this wasn't the original surgeon's first slip-up and also as a celluar device so close to a pacemaker could have caused it to go haywire and kill the patient, the surgeon was charged with criminal negligence.


(As the smart-watch hadn't yet caused the patient any injury, the "noone was hurt" answer is accurate I believe)

Snarky, I knew you were onto the right answer when you started to get almost every question in the YES list from a few updates ago...

I had a lot of fun this round. I hope others had some too...

OVER TO YOU, "MEI-TANTEI SNARKY"!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 13:29
Oh, and when I invented this case, I actually looked up the legal ramifications if a surgeon is grossly negligent. And yes, if the slip-up is serious enough to have been potentially life-threatening to the patient, then the doctor can be criminally charged, especially if it's not his or her first such mistake, and especially if drugs or alcohol can be proved to have been a factor.

I also researched a bit if it was possible for something as large as a smart-watch to go unnoticed in a patient's body during a surgery and found that even larger objects have been lost during operations and sewn up inside, sometimes with the patient carrying them inside their body for the rest of their lives and only being discovered much later upon their death, usually from unrelated causes. It seems that once something gets all covered in blood and slips into gaps between organs it is very difficult to visually recognize it as a foreign object.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 18 Apr 2017, 13:52
Oh phew! ;-D

Ha ha ha! Nice story, Mandle, but man that was HARD!

Yeah, I eventually started to get some sense of what kind of crime it was - basically by eliminating all other alternatives - but I couldn't square it with the idea that the cell phone (or, as it turned out, smart watch) was used to identify the culprit, because it seemed to me like if someone made a professional mistake while drunk it would usually be very easy to tie it to them. It was only Sinitrena's last bunch of questions that suggested a doctor and gave me the prompt I needed.

So credit goes to you, Sinitrena, and if you want to take the next round you are welcome to it. Otherwise I'll try to think up something...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 14:00
Oh phew! ;-D

Ha ha ha! Nice story, Mandle, but man that was HARD!

Yeah, through the questioning process I started to realize how hard this riddle was, and I kept reflecting on if it was unfairly hard, but I kept thinking that as long as everyone keeps following the course of narrowing down the crime, and also finding out more about the man's job, it should become clear.

I almost gave a prod to perhaps ask about the man's profession, but I resisted, wanting to keep the process pure, and now I'm glad I did.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 18 Apr 2017, 14:09
Wow, what a riddle!
Even though you consider it solved, Mandle, there's still a whole lot we hadn't discovered. Phew.  8-0

So credit goes to you, Sinitrena, and if you want to take the next round you are welcome to it. Otherwise I'll try to think up something...

You take it, I can't think of anything right now.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 Apr 2017, 17:06
Wow, what a riddle!
Even though you consider it solved, Mandle, there's still a whole lot we hadn't discovered. Phew.  8-0

Actually everything was discovered if you sort through the HUGE pile of YES and NO replies...And also the posts where you guys summed up the case so far...

The small details are just really flavour added to the background story, but everything important to the case was asked and answered...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 12:07
OK, I've thought up another one. Might be a bit easier than some of the others.

Case 22
A car is found abandoned in the forest. Nearby, police discover the owners, a husband and wife, buried. The woman has been shot, the man hit over the head with a blunt object.

It's up to you to solve the case!

Yes
...


No
...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 19 Apr 2017, 12:37
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 19 Apr 2017, 13:00
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Were they buried underground(i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Was a car crash involved?

Prototype solution: They were driving in their car through a snowy countryside when a hunter's stray bullet hit the wife (or the husband shot her (by accident maybe)), who was driving. The car veered off the road and hit something, causing them to both crash through the windscreen (husband first, and head-first) and they ended up "buried" in a snowbank...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 19 Apr 2017, 13:04
It is kind of obvious that there must be a third person involved and it was in the forest. SO:
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 13:15
Some of the answers are a little tricky to decide... Since I think the case is pretty easy, I'll choose the more difficult answers. (laugh)

Case 22
A car is found abandoned in the forest. Nearby, police discover the owners, a husband and wife, buried. The woman has been shot, the man hit over the head with a blunt object.

It's up to you to solve the case!

Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)


No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 19 Apr 2017, 13:40
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 19 Apr 2017, 15:25
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 16:22
Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died? [sure, why not?]


No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 19 Apr 2017, 16:56
Did he kill her?
Di she kill him?
Did they bury themselves?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 19 Apr 2017, 17:33
Was the husband's death an accident?
Was a person involved in the death of the husband?
Or did "nature" kill the husband? (e.g. a landslide?)

Was the car in working condition?
Is there a street (or at least a path) leading to where the car was found?

When they were found, had they died recently? (let's say, less then a month ago?)

Were they buried equally deep?
Were they buried by a third person?
Were they buried by the same person?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 18:01
I'd say to limit the number of questions for the round, but I think you're about to solve it anyway...

Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died? [sure, why not?]
Did he kill her?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was the husband's death an accident?
Did "nature" kill the husband? (e.g. a landslide?)
Is there a street (or at least a path) leading to where the car was found?



No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Did she kill him?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was a person involved in the death of the husband?
Was the car in working condition?
When they were found, had they died recently? (let's say, less then a month ago?)
Were they buried equally deep?
Were they buried by a third person?
Were they buried by the same person?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 19 Apr 2017, 18:53
Did the husband bury the wife?
Did the husband murder the wife somewhere else?
Then he put her body in the car to bury it in the forest?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 19 Apr 2017, 19:36
Was the blunt object a rock?
did the husband dig a grave for the wife?
did the husband fall into the grave?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 20:43
Did the husband bury the wife?
Did the husband murder the wife somewhere else?
Then he put her body in the car to bury it in the forest?

(nod) (nod) (nod)

Was the blunt object a rock?
did the husband dig a grave for the wife?
did the husband fall into the grave?

(nod) (nod) (nod)

Sooo... ?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 19 Apr 2017, 21:07
Did someone see the husband bury his wife?
Was a third party aware that his wife was shot?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 19 Apr 2017, 21:30
Sooo...
The husband murdered his wife and wanted to dig a grave for her. He drove to the forest and started digging. He put the wife into the grave, then fell himself, while she was already halfway buried. He hurt his head on a rock (that either lay on the ground or fell from the wall of the grave) and the loose earth of the grave fell on him, burying him with his wife.
Anything missing?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 21:51
Yes, that's very close, but not quite what I had in mind regarding the man's death. One of the answers so far has a major clue.

Let's do a proper update with some clarifications:

Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died? [sure, why not?]
Did he kill her?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was the husband's death an accident?
Did "nature" kill the husband? (e.g. a landslide?)
Is there a street (or at least a path) leading to where the car was found?
Did the husband bury the wife?
Did the husband murder the wife somewhere else?
Then he put her body in the car to bury it in the forest? [99% accurate]
Was the blunt object a rock?
Did the husband dig a grave for the wife?
Did the husband fall into the grave? [this depends slightly on your definition]



No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Did she kill him?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was a person involved in the death of the husband?
Was the car in working condition?
When they were found, had they died recently? (let's say, less then a month ago?)
Were they buried equally deep?
Were they buried by a third person?
Were they buried by the same person?
Did someone see the husband bury his wife?
Was a third party aware that his wife was shot?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 19 Apr 2017, 22:19
Is the missing piece that there was a landslide and a rock/boulder hit the man on the head and knock him into the grave then other rocks covered them both?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 19 Apr 2017, 22:58
Was she shot but still alive while he was digging the grave?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 19 Apr 2017, 23:11
Is the missing piece that there was a landslide and a rock/boulder hit the man on the head and knock him into the grave then other rocks covered them both?

Yup, that's it!

A man shot his wife. In order to get away with it, he thought to bury her where she would never be found. He drove her body to a remote location, where a forest edged onto the bottom of a scree or unstable cliffy hill. He planned to bury her near the bottom of the slope, just downhill of some firmly planted rocks, then trigger a landslide that would cover her grave under several feet of rocks and dirt. However, he accidentally set off a slide while he was still in the avalanche zone, got hit in the head by a rock and buried underneath the mass. By the time their car was found, months later, the ground had settled and both their bodies were quite buried.

Well done dayowlron and Sinitrena for making short work of the mystery!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Apr 2017, 02:00
Cool, I will let Sinitrena have this one if she wants it. I have done a couple of cases and right now dont have a case in mind, however if she doesnt want to I will come up with something on the fly.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Apr 2017, 03:15
I'll take this one.

Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Apr 2017, 03:26
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Apr 2017, 05:01
did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
was it cut open by a knife?
was it an accident?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Apr 2017, 10:36
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?

No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 20 Apr 2017, 10:55
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 20 Apr 2017, 12:03
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Apr 2017, 12:16
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?

No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Apr 2017, 12:46
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Was he ever alive?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Apr 2017, 12:56
Is he an animal?
is he real? (not a fantasy being)
is he inorganic?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Apr 2017, 13:11
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?


No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*


*These questions are both yes and no.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Apr 2017, 14:41
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Apr 2017, 15:09
Is he a stuffed animal?

EDIT: did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 20 Apr 2017, 16:01
Was it used to smuggle something?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 20 Apr 2017, 16:26
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!

So:

Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 20 Apr 2017, 19:13
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course! (That technically wasn't a question, but, oh, whatever...)


No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries? (Do you slit stuffed animals open to replace batteries? That seems kind of brutal.  8-0)
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?


*These questions are both yes and no.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 20 Apr 2017, 19:32
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries? (Do you slit stuffed animals open to replace batteries? That seems kind of brutal.  8-0)

Technically I have seen some teddy bears where they open up around the stomach area to replace batteries but they have velcro to put them back so guess that one fails on cut open by a knife, but someone could cut it open with a knife.

Anyways,
what we know so far: a teddy bear cut open by a knife on purpose at the stomach region is laying on a bed and not cut open by the owner, was not used for smuggling. so why would a stranger cut open a teddy bear he did not own...

My questions:
Was the "bed" located in a store?
did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 20 Apr 2017, 21:42
Don't know the english term (and don't trust Google anymore) but you might call those peoples profession a puppet doctor or teddy doctor. They are repairing worthy teddies/puppets and it seems to be the case here. So: Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 21 Apr 2017, 00:19
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 21 Apr 2017, 01:35
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?


No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 21 Apr 2017, 01:48
was the bear used to hold something of value?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 21 Apr 2017, 03:44
Is any kind of crime involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 21 Apr 2017, 05:06
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?


No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 21 Apr 2017, 06:18
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 21 Apr 2017, 06:24
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 21 Apr 2017, 12:03
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?

No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 21 Apr 2017, 13:04
Was the crime that the teddy was stolen?
Was the crime to destroy/cut the teddy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 21 Apr 2017, 13:38
Was the object inside the teddy bear information / something that contained information?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 21 Apr 2017, 13:41
Was the teddy cut open by the police?
Had the owner hidden a stolen object inside the bear?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 21 Apr 2017, 13:46
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
Had the owner hidden a stolen object inside the bear?

No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Was the crime that the teddy was stolen?
Was the crime to destroy/cut the teddy? (Destroying the teddy is certainly a crime - poor bear - but not the one referred to earlier and not the important one.)
Was the object inside the teddy bear information / something that contained information?
Was the teddy cut open by the police?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 21 Apr 2017, 14:34
Were the person who cut open the bear and the person who hid the stolen object inside the bear partners in crime?
Is this whole case some kind of family squabble between two siblings?
Did a sibling steal something from the other sibling, hide it inside their teddy bear, and then the other sibling cut the bear open and took it back?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 21 Apr 2017, 16:09
Did someone steal something of value but couldnt get it out of the store so they hid it in a teddy bear then later came back and purchased the bear?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 21 Apr 2017, 22:14
Case 23

He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?

Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
Had the owner hidden a stolen object inside the bear?
Were the person who cut open the bear and the person who hid the stolen object inside the bear partners in crime?

No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Was the crime that the teddy was stolen?
Was the crime to destroy/cut the teddy? (Destroying the teddy is certainly a crime - poor bear - but not the one referred to earlier and not the important one.)
Was the object inside the teddy bear information / something that contained information?
Was the teddy cut open by the police?
Is this whole case some kind of family squabble between two siblings?
Did a sibling steal something from the other sibling, hide it inside their teddy bear, and then the other sibling cut the bear open and took it back?
Did someone steal something of value but couldnt get it out of the store so they hid it in a teddy bear then later came back and purchased the bear?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 21 Apr 2017, 22:35
So.. someone hid a valuable object (a diamant maybe?) inside a teddy bear, gave the Teddy to a kid (his son maybe?) send the kid with the teddy travelling to another country (maybe as UN-acompanied minor), his partner in crime (the mother maybe?) then takes the teddy rips it apart and retries the diamant...  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 21 Apr 2017, 23:21
So.. someone hid a valuable object (a diamant maybe?) inside a teddy bear, gave the Teddy to a kid (his son maybe?) send the kid with the teddy travelling to another country (maybe as UN-acompanied minor), his partner in crime (the mother maybe?) then takes the teddy rips it apart and retries the diamant...  (laugh)

This is already is the NO list:

Was it used to smuggle something?

So, unless this answer is wrong/misleading, I guess the teddy bear was only used as a hiding place/drop-point for some stolen goods to be stored/hidden until the partner in crime could come by and pick it up, and not to sneak the stolen goods past someone else.

So:

Was the teddy bear used as a hiding place/drop-point for some stolen goods to be stored/hidden until the partner in crime could come by and pick it up?
Were the goods hidden inside the bear for longer than a year?
Were the goods hidden inside the bear for longer than 10 years?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 22 Apr 2017, 08:57
Hmmm - so we have a thief who owns a teddy that hides his stolen goods. The teddy is placed in the thiefs bed when it was cut open from  from another partie.
If so there must have been someone illegally in the thiefs bedroom to search for the stolen goods.  :-\

Was the intruder the owner of the stolen goods?
Did his partner in crime cut the teddy?
Was it an insurance fraud?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 22 Apr 2017, 10:47
Hmmm - so we have a thief who owns a teddy that hides his stolen goods. The teddy is placed in the thiefs bed when it was cut open from  from another partie.
If so there must have been someone illegally in the thiefs bedroom to search for the stolen goods.  :-\

I consider this the correct solution. For a while, the only element you all where missing was, that the person who cut open the teddy was not allowed to do so in any way or form. It wasn't the police or an original owner, and the teddy was not used as a drop-off point. You actualy already knew that the owner of the bear and the one who cut him open were partners in crime.

So, the story as I originally thought it up:

Two thieves steal a bunch of diamonds. They devide the loot, and each hides his share. Then something happens to one of the thieves and the other decides to double his share by stealing it from his accomplice. He breaks into the home and finds the diamands in the teddy after a long search, brutally slashes him open, takes the diamonds and discards the teddy on the bed where he originally found him.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 23 Apr 2017, 02:44
I am not sure if my connection will stay stable but we got a visit from a technician yesterday afternoon
(he said that connections will only work as of tomorrow) but it already does    (roll)
So maybe I should simply risk it for a short and easy case (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140725/z3sjsu2i.gif)

(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/m8a2nksi.gif)... and afterwards  - if all goes well - I will be able to present the first case I created on my own.
  (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140802/inu9umsy.gif)



(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!

CASE # 24:
Mary doesn't live anymore. She died as she was about to eat. A metal rod lies on her body.
What happened?


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 23 Apr 2017, 03:37
Was Mary a bug?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 23 Apr 2017, 05:54
Is Mary a mouse?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 23 Apr 2017, 05:59
CASE # 24:
Mary doesn't live anymore. She died as she was about to eat. A metal rod lies on her body.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Is Mary a mouse?
     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was Mary a bug?       



Ha, ha, ha – seems to become  not only a short, but supershort crime solving.  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Apr 2017, 06:38
Hehe I think this has been answered already, but:

Mary was a mouse who tried to eat the bait from a mousetrap, which snapped shut and killed her... It's sad though: considering she had a name I'm guessing she was a pet mouse that got trapped by accident :(
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 23 Apr 2017, 06:44
(nod) Mary is a mouse in a mousetrap.(nod)
You really solved that case on the fly.
On to the next case.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Apr 2017, 08:42
(nod) Mary is a mouse in a mousetrap.(nod)


Tabata....h-h-how...h-how...how could you?!

Nighthawk deserves the credit for solving this one...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 23 Apr 2017, 09:16
(nod) Mary is a mouse in a mousetrap.(nod)


Tabata....h-h-how...h-how...how could you?!
Simply to declare it a crime!   :wink:

            (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140717/oqp5zmst.gif)
         Mice are nice! (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140113/wq27ysog.gif) (http://fav.me/d6vbco2)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 23 Apr 2017, 11:17
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.


Yes

No
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 23 Apr 2017, 12:59
Were they normal bullets?
Were they paint balls?
Was any of the bodies dead?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 23 Apr 2017, 13:01
Were the bodies human?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 23 Apr 2017, 13:04
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?
Were the bodies shot by a gun?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 23 Apr 2017, 15:38
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 23 Apr 2017, 17:17
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.



Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?



No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 23 Apr 2017, 19:16
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 23 Apr 2017, 19:33
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.



Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?



No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 23 Apr 2017, 19:58
Did the police fire the shots?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 23 Apr 2017, 20:02
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.



Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Did the police fire the shots?



No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 23 Apr 2017, 20:03
Was the smoke from a smoke bomb?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 23 Apr 2017, 21:05
Did the police have to shoot them?
Did all shot people die?
Did the dead people commit a crime before they were shot?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 23 Apr 2017, 22:54
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.



Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Did the police fire the shots?
Was the smoke from a smoke bomb?(Flash Bangs)
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did all shot people die?



No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did the dead people commit a crime before they were shot?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 23 Apr 2017, 23:23
Was the police trying to rescue hostages?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 24 Apr 2017, 00:53
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.



Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Did the police fire the shots?
Was the smoke from a smoke bomb?(Flash Bangs)
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did all shot people die?
Was the police trying to rescue hostages?



No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did the dead people commit a crime before they were shot?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 00:56
It looks like the case might be solved then, but just awaiting a sum-up?

The police raided a hostage situation using flashbang/smoke grenades but in the ensuing gunfight (some of) the hostages ended up getting killed along with the hostage takers?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 24 Apr 2017, 01:00
It's on the right track but not quite there yet.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 04:46
Did the hostage takers change clothes/disguises with the hostages?
Did the police think they were shooting the hostage takers?
Is this a scene from a movie?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: NightHawk on 24 Apr 2017, 08:48
You got it.

Solution
A group of thieves took hostages while robbing a bank but the police get there before they can get away so they disguise a few hostages as robbers and duct tape weapons onto their hands. The robbers tell the police negotiator they are releasing some hostages and walk out among them while the fake robbers get shot in the swat raid.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 10:28
You got it.

Solution
A group of thieves took hostages while robbing a bank but the police get there before they can get away so they disguise a few hostages as robbers and duct tape weapons onto their hands. The robbers tell the police negotiator they are releasing some hostages and walk out among them while the fake robbers get shot in the swat raid.

Yay! What movie was that from again?

I'll try to think up another case!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 11:12
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?


Yes

No
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 24 Apr 2017, 12:00
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 24 Apr 2017, 13:20
Are we talking about a baseball game? (This may be obvious, but I just want to make sure)
Was it the batsman who died?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 24 Apr 2017, 13:26
Did he die from a heart attack?
We are talking about humans, right?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 14:22
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?


No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 24 Apr 2017, 15:14
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 24 Apr 2017, 15:19
are the homerun and the death related?
did the homerun cause the death?
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 24 Apr 2017, 17:30
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
Was the deceased  one of the other players?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 24 Apr 2017, 19:05
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 23:38
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
are the homerun and the death related?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?


No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
did the homerun cause the death? (I'm assuming you're asking if it was the direct cause)
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased  one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 24 Apr 2017, 23:50
Did the ball hit something that caused the death of the employee?
Did the homerun cause an emotion of the employee that caused his death (e.g. a jump scare or a crazy happy dance that caused an event that caused ...  ...  that caused the death)?
Did the employee get an electric shock?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 24 Apr 2017, 23:52
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
are the homerun and the death related?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
Did the employee get an electric shock?


No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
did the homerun cause the death? (I'm assuming you're asking if it was the direct cause)
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased  one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Did the ball hit something that caused the death of the employee?
Did the homerun cause an emotion of the employee that caused his death?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 00:08
Was the employee a technician?
Was the employee a mascot?
Was the employee a belly shopdealer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 00:23
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?


Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
are the homerun and the death related?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
Did the employee get an electric shock?
Was the employee a technician?


No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
did the homerun cause the death? (I'm assuming you're asking if it was the direct cause)
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased  one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Did the ball hit something that caused the death of the employee?
Did the homerun cause an emotion of the employee that caused his death?
Was the employee a mascot?
Was the employee a belly shopdealer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Apr 2017, 00:24
was there a short in the scoreboard?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 00:34
Did he die when the scoreboard was used during he did repairs?
Did he die when repairing a defective speaker when the announcer screams trough it?
Did he die when repairing a defective cable when a spectator dropped his drink?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 01:04
Did he die when the scoreboard was used during he did repairs?

We have a winner!

Solution
A careless electrician was repairing some faulty wiring on the big "HOME RUN" sign on the scoreboard when it was suddenly turned on due to the homer just hit during the game.
He was electrocuted and died.


Over to you Tabata, or dayowlron, who provided a vital hint, if Tabata is unable...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 01:09
FUN FACT: While doing a bit of research concerning electrocution and heart attacks I discovered that electrocution can cause a heart attack but after the person has already survived the initial shock. The real cause of death from massive electrocution is the damage done to the body's organs and/or nervous system.
 
But the "fun fact" is that I also found that the term "electrocution" originally comes from combining "electricity" and "execution" as in death penalty via electric chair. As no other term existed for accidental death by electric shock this word became a blanket term for any death by electrical current.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 01:13
Yay – My connection is still working so I hope it will last.  8-)
So now here's the one I made myself. Hope it works. (roll)

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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?


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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Apr 2017, 02:20
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 05:19
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 05:39
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?       


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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 06:35
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 10:19
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
(wrong)   (wrong)   (wrong)

Just for you all to go on thinking - Will add it later to the list -  I'm at work right now. :kiss:
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 10:27
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 25 Apr 2017, 13:56
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 17:46
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?           

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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 25 Apr 2017, 18:02
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 25 Apr 2017, 18:04
Was she a human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Apr 2017, 18:42
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 18:50
 
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?     


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?             

 
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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 25 Apr 2017, 18:57
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Apr 2017, 19:30
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 20:04
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?       


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?               

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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 25 Apr 2017, 20:59
I think the clue to solving this one is figuring out what kind of alarm bell we have here.

Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm outside?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 25 Apr 2017, 21:33
Is this a church bell?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 25 Apr 2017, 22:17
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 25 Apr 2017, 23:00
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?         


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that is to discover)       

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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 25 Apr 2017, 23:10
The alarm came from a fireworks factory that was burning, then she saw the fireworks explode and was happy but better off to run away ;-D
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Apr 2017, 02:17
Is she a character in a story?
Could this take place in the real world?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 26 Apr 2017, 03:52
The alarm came from a fireworks factory that was burning, then she saw the fireworks explode and was happy but better off to run away ;-D
    no, no - (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/n3h6s73d.gif)

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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?           


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?         

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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Apr 2017, 06:30
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 26 Apr 2017, 15:02
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Apr 2017, 15:12
Been a while since an update so I'm gonna ask 3 more questions if that's cool:

Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the "home invader" was actually a loved-one?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Apr 2017, 16:15
I am pretty sure the answer to those last 3 will be no cause she answered no to "Was the bell in a home?" and "Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?" and "Is the alarm bell automated?"

My question:
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 26 Apr 2017, 16:48

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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world? 
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?       


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the "home invader" was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?     

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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 26 Apr 2017, 17:03
Did she believe in angels?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 26 Apr 2017, 17:41
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she had been a bad girl but when she heard the bells ran away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 26 Apr 2017, 23:48
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep (or other animal) and found it?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 27 Apr 2017, 04:48
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world? 
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?       

No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the "home invader" was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?     
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?   
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it? 


irrelevant  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
  Did she believe in angels? 


btw.   
After giving those two questions:
Quote
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
...   a 'Yes' I feel the need to inform you that both of them - taken by the word - needed to be sorted into the 'No'-list because they aren't precise enough. 
So just not to make it even harder to solve the case I placed it where it is.

You are thinking the correct direction with these and some of the latest questions from the 'No'-list. :wink:
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Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 27 Apr 2017, 05:33
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 27 Apr 2017, 06:33
Pe-information (since I am not at home)
all 3 = no

(You changed the two questions - add something to the original versions instead  ;) )
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 27 Apr 2017, 06:53
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Apr 2017, 17:23
I beg to disagree that believing in angels is irrelevant...  :P Never heard of the "every time a bell rings an angel gets it's wings?" saying?   (wtf) So, I'll guess it's a no on that one.  (laugh)

Was the bell attached to a gate?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 27 Apr 2017, 18:08
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CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?           


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the “home invader“ was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?   
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it?   
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
 Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?*
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?*
Was the bell attached to a gate?         



irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Did she believe in angels?         


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!


*nearly the same prob than before, sorry
It is missing an attribute to make it a helpful (and for this case meaningful) questions, but of course you are unable to know that without some more of the background information and I can't help more on this since it would give it all away.
At a specific point of solving the case you will understand my big problem with those but for now it might be easier to concentrate on other unrevealed facts to get in from the other side.
There are several ways you investigators will stumble over some heavy clues.

I beg to disagree that believing in angels is irrelevant...  :P Never heard of the "every time a bell rings an angel gets it's wings?" saying?   (wtf) So, I'll guess it's a no on that one.  (laugh)
  You don't know how much I agree with you on the first part, buuut ... if I placed that to yes or no it whould kill the case totally  :shocked:
  You will understand it soon … ;)


Stuck? No clue what direction to go? If you want a hint:
Find out about that little bell is the main aspect - as already stated correct - but it's also the most difficult to start with.
Much easier is to take it from other directions - for example if you find out the place she is or try to figure out what I gave you for a present are two possible ways that could make it all fall into place in a short time.

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 27 Apr 2017, 19:33
Before the bell rang did she think her husband was dead?
Was this during a war?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 27 Apr 2017, 19:38
Does this case take place in or after some war?

Did she think it is a bomb alarm signal first, and noticed then, that the bell means the end of the war and her husband is finally coming home?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 27 Apr 2017, 20:37
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!

CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
Before the bell rang did she think her husband was dead?


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the “home invader“ was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?   
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it? 
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
 Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?*
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?*
Was the bell attached to a gate?     

Was this during a war?
Does this case take place in or after some war?
Did she think it is a bomb alarm signal first, and noticed then, that the bell means the end of the war and her husband is finally coming home?


irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Did she believe in angels?         


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 27 Apr 2017, 20:48
Did her husband wear a bell?
Was her husband a firefighter?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 27 Apr 2017, 21:10
Did her husband deliberately ring the bell to show her that he was alive?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 00:09
Okay I think I got it:

She was grieving at her husband's graveside when the bell he had had installed in the grave started ringing, signalling that he had been buried alive and was pulling the cord from inside his coffin.

She was scared at first, fearing the dead had come to life, but then realized the truth, and dashed away to get help, laughing joyously that he was alive.

(And I'm tempted to think this riddle was inspired by the real life story of Edgar Allan Poe? GREAT riddle by the way!)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Apr 2017, 00:41
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep on investigating!

CASE # 27:
As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?



Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
 Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die? (kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
Before the bell rang did she think her husband was dead?
Did her husband deliberately ring the bell to show (her) that he was alive?           


No  (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the “home invader“ was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?   
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it? 
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
 Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?*
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?*
Was the bell attached to a gate?  
Was this during a war?
Does this case take place in or after some war?
Did she think it is a bomb alarm signal first, and noticed then, that the bell means the end of the war and her husband is finally coming home?   

Did her husband wear a bell?
Was her husband a firefighter?     



irrelevant/don't know myself  (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Did she believe in angels?         


(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep on investigating!

Yay! It's done - you cracked my case! (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/gm8zup2v.gif)
I call the case solved perfectly and declare Mandle the winner for to present the next case.


(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/2of3thj2.gif) 

Here's my original solution for case # 27:
Her beloved husband was burried in a safety-coffin. When the widow heard the little bell on his grave ringning she was shocked but realized that her husband must have been burried alive. So she was happy that he still lives but had to hurry and run to call for help (to get him out the coffin as soon as possible to not suffocate).

(http://listverse.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/6a00d8341c318c53ef00e54f25e7e38833-800wi-tm.jpg)

Some background information for those interested: 
There was a funeral ritual, which had been created because the fear of being burried alive. They placed a small bell over the grave so in case it really happens the burried has a chance to call for help not to suffocate in agony.

Still around 1955 there were so-called (suspended animation?*)-bells in some German corpse houses. A doorbell was tied around the hand to the dead and sounded at the slightest movement of the corpse.
Inventors from America and England created "oxygen graves" - with an oxygen supply for 72 hours - or "signal coffins": when a lever in the coffin was operated, an alarm signal or an emergency flag unfolded above the grave.

*I wasn't able to find a proper word for 'Scheintod' in English - it's when someone seems to be death but isn't - just 'suspended animation' gave me that result most of the time.

A safety coffins or security coffins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin) are coffins fitted with a mechanism to prevent premature burial or allow the occupant to signal that he has been buried alive. A large number of designs for safety coffins were patented during the 18th and 19th centuries and variations on the theme are still available today. The first recorded safety coffin was constructed on the orders of Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick before his death in 1792. He had a window installed to allow light in, an air tube to provide a supply of fresh air, and instead of having the lid nailed down he had a lock fitted. In a special pocket of his shroud he had two keys, one for the coffin lid and a second for the tomb door.

Still reading?
Okay , then you deserve a little fun fakt for dessert:
Did you know that even Edgar Alan Poe had Taphophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taphophobia)?
Might be interesting to research if he got it because of his stories or if he wrote the stories because of his phobia.  :wink:

Want even more?     (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/cm9czqh8.gif) (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/31/9075011/buried-alive-safety-coffins)
Number 7  is recommended to be read especially for people like selmiak - and to think about that there might be circumstances that justify to push a button.  (laugh) 

Case # 27 solved and closed!   (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/ap878va5.gif)
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep on investigating!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 00:47
That was a REALLY good case Tabata... So many times I was sure I had the right answer, only to be surprised. But in the end, when I DID have the right answer I knew it was right before you confirmed it. All signs of a really good riddle!

I even got the next one ready on standby while waiting on confirmation: (laugh)

CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES



NO

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Apr 2017, 01:04
Thanks for the compliments - I hoped that it was a good idea to go with the safety-coffins   :grin:

Now back to the Watson side of this thread:
       (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/141118/j548nq9z.gif)
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's woth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 03:39
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES



NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 28 Apr 2017, 05:07
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 05:23
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Apr 2017, 06:29
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts?
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 07:35
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Apr 2017, 12:27
Was he at home?
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 13:00
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 28 Apr 2017, 14:03
I KNEW I'd get here too late to answer Tabata's riddle! I worked it out a little while after posting that last question. Well done, Mandle, for working it out, too! :-D I haven't got a clue about this next one, though.

Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 15:32
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 15:47
I worked it out a little while after posting that last question. Well done, Mandle, for working it out, too!

It was your last question: "Did her husband deliberately ring the bell to show her that he was alive?" that triggered the epiphany moment where I saw the entire story solution. It was such an awesome "OMFG NOW I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE SHERLOCK HOLMES!!!" moment that I must now appoint you my trusty Dr. Watson...

From now on we solve cases together!

(Well... until you solve one first and then I'm demoted to Watson...)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Apr 2017, 17:04
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 28 Apr 2017, 17:11
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 Apr 2017, 19:05
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 28 Apr 2017, 19:16
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 28 Apr 2017, 19:45
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid?
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in?
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 28 Apr 2017, 22:16
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio?  (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 02:24
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 02:36
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living?
Is he a scientist?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 02:42
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 02:54
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 02:59
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 03:24
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts?
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction?
Did he expect to become crazy?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 06:09
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 08:01
So he poisoned himself by mistake?  can't be- sorry
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 09:47
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 09:57
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 29 Apr 2017, 13:01
Was he bit by an animal?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 13:19
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 13:22
Remember that this is what is in the YES list:

Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *

And, it's a YES and NO listing, but the main reason for this is that it probably wasn't his immediate concern, but eventually would have become a concern...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 13:30
Remember that this is what is in the YES list:

Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *

And, it's a YES and NO listing, but the main reason for this is that it probably wasn't his immediate concern, but eventually would have become a concern...
Ahh – I had the idea that it was a yes for one and a no for the other maybe and needed to be sure wich one – so it's none of those two ;)


grmpf – not even know where he was until now that could be a kind of home– grmbl   (roll)

Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 29 Apr 2017, 13:31
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 13:33
so it's none of those two ;)

No, it's one of those two (and you know it wasn't poison ;) ). The reason it was YES and NO was because avoiding it wasn't the issue immediately, but would have been a huge factor over time.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 13:42
gaaah - so many questions with yes and no make me go totally confused  (laugh)

Oookay – in that case …
Was there a nuclear disaster?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 29 Apr 2017, 13:55
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 14:14
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 14:16
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 14:33
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 14:46
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 15:00
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 15:29
I've updated some notes on the YES and NO questions that have already been resolved to cut down on confusion :-D

Also, as per good game design theory, I will make the current goal of investigation clear, but hide it in case someone doesn't want such guidance:

Whatever mistake it was that he made is vital to figure out.

(The reason why I'm adding a lot of notes/help is because tomorrow I leave for a week in Australia and won't have computer access/free time a lot to continue running this case. If it's not solved before I leave I'll put it on pause until I return and others can run cases in the meanwhile. I'll pick this one back up after the latest case is solved.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 29 Apr 2017, 15:44
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 15:53
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 29 Apr 2017, 16:14
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 16:26
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 29 Apr 2017, 16:29
Was he alone in the bunker?
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 29 Apr 2017, 16:32
MINI-UPDATE:

YES
Was he alone in the bunker?


NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Quintaros on 29 Apr 2017, 17:23
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 29 Apr 2017, 19:25
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he destroy his money / securities?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Apr 2017, 02:08
MINI-UPDATE:

YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?


NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 30 Apr 2017, 03:15
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Was he able to observe the outside world?
Did he see another person?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 30 Apr 2017, 03:46
MINI-UPDATE:

YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)


NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: selmiak on 30 Apr 2017, 11:42
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
was he civilian?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 30 Apr 2017, 14:22
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 30 Apr 2017, 15:42
... and accidently pushed the red button?
   btw. - Selmiak, I am missing your signature pic about that  ;)


Was his mistake that he destroyed something?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 01 May 2017, 10:32
Sorry guys, I*m gonna have to put this case on pause until I get back from Australia next week...

Please someone jump in for the meanwhile...

Seeyas soon!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 09 May 2017, 00:21
MINI-UPDATE:

YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
was he civilian?
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?


NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 09 May 2017, 00:22
I'm back home now and I see nobody jumped in with a new case so I'll unpause this one!

I will do a full update a bit later when I have more time.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 09 May 2017, 17:40
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
was he civilian?
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 May 2017, 14:11
Hello? Come on guys! This is such a great thread! Let's not just sit on our hands!
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Sinitrena on 10 May 2017, 15:07
Let's get that rolling again.

So, a man locked himself in a bunker to avoid a nuclear fallout. He's safe there, as far as he knows, he doesn't miss anyone and he isn't responsible for the nuclear catastrophe - so he doesn't feel guilty. He doesn't have (or at least use) any source of information from the outside. Is this so far correct?

We have some questions about a mistake he made - now I wonder when the mistake actually happened:
Was he happy, then made a mistake, then killed himself because of it?
Did he make a mistake before he locked himself in and realized it later?

Was there an alarm in the bunker? Maybe something telling him that it was opend from the outside? (I think he might have heard the security lock open, thought the radioactivity would reach him now and therefore lost all hope and killed himself.)

Quote
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
That's a bit confusing. If it happened? So, it didn't happen? Was there a nuclear disaster? Or did he just think there was one?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 May 2017, 15:12
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?

YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
was he civilian?
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?
Was he happy, then made a mistake, then killed himself because of it?
Was there a nuclear disaster?


NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite? 
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?
Did he make a mistake before he locked himself in and realized it later?
Was there an alarm in the bunker. Maybe something telling him that it was opend from the outside??


* YES and NO
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 May 2017, 15:15
Quote
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
That's a bit confusing. If it happened? So, it didn't happen? Was there a nuclear disaster? Or did he just think there was one?

The term "nuclear disaster" is open to too many interpretations which makes it difficult to answer the question perfectly...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 10 May 2017, 16:02
Did he have Time Enough At Last?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 10 May 2017, 19:28
Do we need to find out about what specific kind of nuclear disaster we are talking about to solve the case?
Was his mistake to destroy something when he was in the bunker?
Was his mistake that - after some time has passed - he thought it would be safe now and left the bunker, but it wasn't safe?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 10 May 2017, 23:54
Did he have Time Enough At Last?

Looks like you're onto me there, Snarky. Care to solve the case officially? ;)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 May 2017, 00:18
Theory: He's a book lover who looked forward to life after the apocalypse because he'd finally be able to read all day without distraction. But then he breaks his only pair of glasses...

(In that case, it's an adaptation of a famous episode of The Twilight Zone.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 May 2017, 01:13
Theory: He's a book lover who looked forward to life after the apocalypse because he'd finally be able to read all day without distraction. But then he breaks his only pair of glasses...

(In that case, it's an adaptation of a famous episode of The Twilight Zone.)

WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!!!

It was indeed adapted from episode 8, season 1 of The Twilight Zone: "Time Enough At Last"

So yeah:

Solution
The man in question prepared a bomb shelter in case of nuclear war and stocked it full of all the books he could never find the time to read. Reading was his only passion in life and so, when the war finally happened, he shut himself away in his shelter and was briefly "the happiest man alive". But when he sat down at his desk he had forgotten that he had left his only pair of reading glasses on the chair and broke them. Now unable to read at all, and facing the rest of a life of sanity-sapping solitude, he pulled out the gun from the desk and killed himself.

Well recognized, Inspector Snarky! Over to you if you want to DM...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 May 2017, 13:12
Case #29

With a slip of the hand, the thief was dead. But soon afterwards the robbery was completed anyway.

Yes
...

No
...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 May 2017, 13:57
Was it the thief's hand that slipped?
Was the thief human?
Was the thief killed by another human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 May 2017, 15:30
Yes
Was the thief human?

No
Was it the thief's hand that slipped?
Was the thief killed by another human?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 May 2017, 16:19
Was the hand that slipped using a mouse?
Did this take place inside a compter game?
Did the player reload the game?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 May 2017, 16:46
(http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/fist.gif) Curses! Foiled again...

Yes
Was the thief human?
Was the hand that slipped using a mouse?
Did this take place inside a computer game?
Did the player reload the game?


No
Was it the thief's hand that slipped?
Was the thief killed by another human?

D'you care to work out the rest of it, or should we just call it there?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 11 May 2017, 17:00
OH! OH SHIT! Sorry for busting the case so early...

So I guess that the player of the game (Thief?) slipped on the mouse and their character got caught and died, but then they reloaded the game and did it right the next time through?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 11 May 2017, 18:35
Haha, that's OK. I thought it would be a pretty difficult one, but I guess not.

Here's the death I had in mind (with the player clicking on the Hero by mistake, instead of on the door):
(embedding disabled for some damn reason)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 May 2017, 00:48
I'll have another one up today. Still deciding what to go with...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 May 2017, 12:41
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
...

No
...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 12 May 2017, 17:50
Does this army consist of humans?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 12 May 2017, 23:05
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
...

No
Does this army consist of humans?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 12 May 2017, 23:11
Is this army a marabunta?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 May 2017, 07:12
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 May 2017, 09:24
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
...

No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 May 2017, 10:29
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 May 2017, 10:49
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: adios on 13 May 2017, 11:01
Is there some sort of civil war going on?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 May 2017, 11:49
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 May 2017, 12:52
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 13 May 2017, 14:03
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 13 May 2017, 16:32
Is this army in the computer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 13 May 2017, 23:22
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kumpel on 14 May 2017, 10:55
Is this a natural phenomenon? Maybe a Fire?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 May 2017, 12:59
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 14 May 2017, 13:25
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 May 2017, 13:45
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Riaise on 14 May 2017, 13:57
Does this take place inside a human body?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 May 2017, 14:25
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 14 May 2017, 15:39
Is it about Leukocytes at work?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 May 2017, 16:33
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes at work? (Also no form of cancer, HIV, etc... I wouldn't go that dark...)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 May 2017, 17:11
White blood cells?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 14 May 2017, 17:39
Just feel the need to post about:
...
Is it about Leukocytes at work? (Also no form of cancer, HIV, etc... I wouldn't go that dark...)

Whut?!  :shocked: As far as i know (I haven't studied medicine) leukocytes are the white soldiers in the blood, which fight against pathogens. This does not require a serious illness. A simple cold or light inflammation in the body is sufficient for "the war" to break loose. So it's nothing 'dark' about it.  (wtf)




Edit:
Oh    :-[  - totally forgot my next question, sorry:

Are we talking about digestion?

(Even if I wouldn't define it as killing the food, because it is about extraction the needed stuff and conversion to energy but it fits if taken very loosely)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 May 2017, 23:30
Just feel the need to post about:
...
Is it about Leukocytes at work? (Also no form of cancer, HIV, etc... I wouldn't go that dark...)

Whut?!  :shocked: As far as i know (I haven't studied medicine) leukocytes are the white soldiers in the blood, which fight against pathogens. This does not require a serious illness. A simple cold or light inflammation in the body is sufficient for "the war" to break loose. So it's nothing 'dark' about it.  (wtf)

Ah, sorry, it was my misunderstanding. I didn't know the technical name for white blood cells, so I googled Leukocytes, and the first thing that I read was concerning Leukemia and I made a wrong assumption. So, sorry about that, but there's a free hint, and also I learned something. :-[
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 14 May 2017, 23:35
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 15 May 2017, 00:09
How about pain that is getting killed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 15 May 2017, 11:16
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
How about pain that is getting killed?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 15 May 2017, 11:23
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is the army an outside infection?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 15 May 2017, 13:22
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 15 May 2017, 17:17
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the endocrine system?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Tabata on 15 May 2017, 17:55
Does the army consist of teeth?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: adios on 15 May 2017, 18:07
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends? :-X
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 15 May 2017, 20:06
Tabata, that was what I was thinking at first but he answered yes to the following and I don't think Teeth are some kind of micro-organism.
Yes
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?




and Adeel he did answer yes to is this a natural phenomenon and I don't know if being impaled is a natural phenomenon.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: adios on 15 May 2017, 20:57
Yes, it was a random throwaway. Sorry.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 16 May 2017, 00:20
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Snarky on 16 May 2017, 12:52
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 16 May 2017, 15:09
endocrine system huh...
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 16 May 2017, 17:38
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?

Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 17 May 2017, 13:35
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the thyroid gland involved?
Is the parathyroid gland involved?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 May 2017, 01:03
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the thyroid gland involved?
Is the parathyroid gland involved?

Hmmmm... this will take a bit of research... BRB...
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Kweepa on 18 May 2017, 01:08
Does this require a PhD in Biology to understand?
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 May 2017, 01:51
Does this require a PhD in Biology to understand?

It shouldn't, no... But the questions are going that way, eh? (laugh)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 May 2017, 13:23
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Gurok on 18 May 2017, 13:31
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 18 May 2017, 14:13
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)

I did wonder this myself, especially with the "coming from 2 different directions" clue.
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: dayowlron on 18 May 2017, 15:43
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)

I did wonder this myself, especially with the "coming from 2 different directions" clue.
but killing all in its path???
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: CaptainD on 18 May 2017, 16:30
I wonder if this could refer to ejaculation purging anything that happens to be in its path in the urethra but... it seems a pretty sketchy hypothesis
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 May 2017, 17:49
Case #30

An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?

Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?


No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion? 
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Title: Re: The "Black Stories" crime riddles thread
Post by: Mandle on 18 May 2017, 17:56
After the research I did I'm starting to worry that this YES answer:

"Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?"

Might be a bit misleading...

They DO contribute to the slaughter mentioned in the riddle though, but the word "consist" is probably better termed as "include"... So I have changed it to that as a fix... Sorry if this delayed a potential solution, but probably not...

EDIT: Now that I look again, there could be another potential misleading answer. Well, not really, but I h