Let's play crime riddles in here!
Some of you guys may know the game principle from the playing cards series called "Black Stories".
The rules are:
1. The narrator gives a short version of the case he has in mind.
2. You can ask everything, but the person with a case can only say "Yes", "No" or "maybe/not relevant"
3. You can try to give an answer in one or two small sentences which is either "Correct" or "Wrong"
4. There is only one solution (because a person can't die in two different ways (roll))
Let's get killing!
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on his last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
How many other people were in the train with him?
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
was he murdered?
Was the train guard also dead?
("found dead by the train guard")
Was he shot?
@Mandle
Spoiler
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 13/03/2017 23:32:53
How many other people were in the train...
(laugh) yes (nod)
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 13/03/2017 23:32:53
... with him?
(wrong) no (laugh)
Ah, good point Tabby... I'll rephrase:
Were there other people in the train with him?
Was he stabbed?
8 replies? Are you guys crazy? Okay Okay... Let's sort this out:
CaptainD: Was there something dangerous in the train wagon? NOPE
Mandle: How many other people were in the train with him? HAHAHAHAHA
Gurok: Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.) YES
Selmiak: was he murdered? NOPE
Stupot+: Was the train guard also dead? NOPE (damn english. I would use "beside" in that case ;) )
Tabata: Was he shot? NOPE
Mandle: Were there other people in the train with him? Perhaps. It's irrelevant
Danvzare: See Selmiak --> NOPE
Was there breathable air inside the wagon? (roll)
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Did he get off before the last station?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
Is this wording deliberate and significant?
"when the train is on his last station"
Did he have a heart attack?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Is it a suicide?
@Kumpel
Spoiler
I love those black stories. Thank you for starting this thread. :kiss:
Please allow me to recommend a little change:
It's not necessary to read who asked what but to know what is right or wrong. The way it is sorted now it is nearly impossible to follow the thread.
So I'd like to recommend sorting the questions and list them in blocks for yes (nod), no (wrong) and doesn't matter (wtf). That way you avoid double asked questions (like we have already) and it will be much easier for all of us to follow the game. Also new riddlers easily can 'jump in' after just reading the last answer of you/the host.
You know what I mean? Like it is done over here (http://www.adventure-treff.de/forum/13/13801?start=3780). You could always copy and paste your last version and complete it with the new questions.
@Mandle
Spoiler
Sorry my dear! I just couldn't resist. :kiss:
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?
Was he found dead in the train?
Was the dead man a criminal?
As Tabata suggested I am now changing the layout for better readability and playability. Updated questions are bold.
CASE #1:
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on its* last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"
*changed the word his to its.[/b]
YES
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Did he have a heart attack?
Was he found dead in the train?
NO
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Was he murdered/shot?
Was the train guard also dead?
Did he get off before the last station?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is this wording deliberate and significant? "when the train is on his last station" (JUST BAD ENGLISH :P SEE NOTE BELOW THE CASE)
Is it a suicide?
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?
Irrelevant
Were there other people in the train with him?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Was the dead man a criminal?
Is the train intact technically?
Will it help us solving the story by knowing what "A-town" is?
Did he know he wouldn't reach home alive?
If he wasn't murdered and it wasn't an accident, did he die of natural causes?
Was the "last station" when he was found the same trip that he got on?
Did the trip last more than, let's say, a day?
@Snarky: there is already a yes on heart attack so we have to find out what caused this?!
Was he frightened to death and this cause the heart attack?
Did another person cause the heart attack?
Did an animal cause the heart attack?
Did the heart attack kille him after all?
CASE #1:
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on its* last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"
*changed the word his to its.[/b]
YES
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Was he found dead in the train?
If he wasn't murdered and it wasn't an accident, did he die of natural causes?
Did he have a heart attack?
Was he frightened to death and this cause the heart attack?
Did the heart attack kill him after all?
NO
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Was he murdered/shot?
Was the train guard also dead?
Did he get off before the last station?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is this wording deliberate and significant? "when the train is on his last station" (JUST BAD ENGLISH :P SEE NOTE BELOW THE CASE)
Is it a suicide?
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?
Will it help us solving the story by knowing what "A-town" is?
Did he know he wouldn't reach home alive?
Was the "last station" when he was found the same trip that he got on?
Is the train intact technically?
Did another person cause the heart attack?
Did an animal cause the heart attack?
Irrelevant
Were there other people in the train with him?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Was the dead man a criminal?
Did the trip last more than, let's say, a day?
[/quote]
Was he like 100 years old?
Is the heart attack a squirrel?
Hmm - now what can cause a heart attack for a healthy human ... (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140718/soke6hzq.gif)
Was he sleeping when the train drove into a tunnel, woke up and thought that he got blind because the lights didn't work?
Did he get a phonecall/message that gave him the heart attack?
Has he gone along the dining waggon and saw what they prepared for lunch?
CASE #1:
"A man gets in A-Town into a train waggon and when the train is on its* last station, he is found dead by the train guard. What happened to him?"
*changed the word his to its.[/b]
YES
Was he alive when he got on? (Just making sure this isn't one of those riddles.)
Was there breathable air inside the wagon?
Was he alive when he entered the train car?
Was he found dead in the train?
If he wasn't murdered and it wasn't an accident, did he die of natural causes?
Did he have a heart attack?
Was he frightened to death and this cause the heart attack?
Did the heart attack kill him after all?
Was he sleeping when the train drove into a tunnel, woke up and thought that he got blind because the lights didn't work? (NOT THE WHOLE SOLUTION)
NO
Was there something dangerous in the train wagon?
Was he murdered/shot?
Was the train guard also dead?
Did he get off before the last station?
Is the whole ridde a mean or terrible pun?
Did he laugh himself to death because of a mean or terrible pun?
was it an accident?
was it a funny accident?
Is this wording deliberate and significant? "when the train is on his last station" (JUST BAD ENGLISH :P SEE NOTE BELOW THE CASE)
Is it a suicide?
Did he have any health issue?
Was he diabetic? Hypoglycemia?
Was he the train driver?
Will it help us solving the story by knowing what "A-town" is?
Did he know he wouldn't reach home alive?
Was the "last station" when he was found the same trip that he got on?
Is the train intact technically?
Did another person cause the heart attack?
Did an animal cause the heart attack?
Was he like 100 years old?
Is the heart attack a squirrel? (NO SQUIRRELS IN THIS THREAD!)
Did he get a phonecall/message that gave him the heart attack?
Has he gone along the dining waggon and saw what they prepared for lunch?
Irrelevant
Were there other people in the train with him?
Did he have a valid ticket?
Was the dead man a criminal?
Did the trip last more than, let's say, a day?
When the train went into a tunnel did he touch something that gave him the heart attack?
Well, in this story he's usually a blind man who's just had an operation to make him see, and when the train goes in the tunnel he either dies of fright or commits suicide. So is that the solution, or is there even more to it?
Quote from: Snarky on Wed 15/03/2017 21:37:27
Well, in this story he's usually a blind man who's just had an operation to make him see, and when the train goes in the tunnel he either dies of fright or commits suicide. So is that the solution, or is there even more to it?
)
Quote from: Tabata on Wed 15/03/2017 20:51:07
Was he sleeping when the train drove into a tunnel, woke up and thought that he got blind because the lights didn't work?
Snarkys reply, combined with Tabatas half solution, that's exactly it!
@Snarky: But it sounds like you knew the story. So maybe for future investigations those who know the circumstances of the events could give the unkown ones a chance to find it out themselves.
CASE #1 CLOSED
Leading detectives
GERMAN KRIMINALKOMMMISARIN TABATA & NORWEGIAN KRIMINALASSISTENT SNARKY
Umm... so what's the process now? Are you going to open a new case or should Tabata/Snarky open one?
Open for use from now on (You can use my design if you want). Whoever has a case for us. Feel free to jump in, But Tabata/Snarky should have the right of first response, I guess.
If no one is doing it, I'll do another one in 2 days.
Shouldn't I at least get a "Head Coroner Mandle" title or something for discovering the cause of death? (laugh)
Also, if I may make a suggestion: I think it's probably best if we try to steer away from these famous lateral thinking riddles because, being adventure game fans, I would say that most people here have at some point heard pretty much all of them.
I think this game would be just as fun without the fancy trick questions all the time and people could just make up their own crime situations to be solved. If they can include an original trick that's great, but even just an everyday mafia hit or witness killing or whatever will still be entertaining I feel.
I'd need some days to come up with an own story, (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/9l3ydd2y.gif)
so please take this fairly well known story, so to speak, as an easy intermediate meal for to get the thread running.
In case there are no questions until I am back from work or even better - if Snarky already has a selfmade story in mind â€" just start it.
(I'll modify this post afterwards not to confuse the participants if you have a real "Case 2" started :wink:)
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?
I actually haven't heard this one before so I'm going to participate:
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
No, I don't have anything in mind. Maybe I'll try to come up with something.
Were the people shot?
Were the cards playing cards?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
did the dead bodies have money on them, in other words was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
CASE # 2:
They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?
Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140718/hnuydoxu.gif)
„Were the cards playing cards?“
Ahem â€" pardon? Neither me nor Google translate understand the question, sorry.
Can someone please explain this to me?
Edit:
I googled a bit more and might have found about the meaning.
They didn't play a kind of fortune-telling game and there were no tarot cards involved.
So I placed it now in the list for "no".
In case I still didn't get what you meant, Snarky, please tell me.
I guess you can have post cards, thank you cards, "I'm going to murder you" cards... (laugh)
They each drew a card and the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun, but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two, then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Don't worry Tabby... it took me a few reads to understand "Were the cards playing cards?" and I'm a native english speaker.
I had an image of the cards sitting around a table holding hands of smaller cards... :-[
@Cassiebsg
Spoiler
"I'm going to murder you" cards ...(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120922/alren33c.gif)
That might become a nice idea for one of our little competitions. (laugh)
@Mandle
Spoiler
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/3y5lghpp.gif)Thank you!
Your image is exactly what came to my mind, too. (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/sweetim-signs-stuff/6915.gif)
@all investigators
Spoiler
If you want me to give a little hint like one extra information just ask for it â€" I might add a little extra fact for you. :wink:
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
@Tabby - Unless otherwise specified, "playing cards" generally refers to these traditional suited cards used for poker, blackjack and close-up magic tricks:
(http://pngimg.com/uploads/cards/cards_PNG8471.png)
Was one of the three people a magician?
I'm guessing they were playing a card game, but one of them used to be a wild west gunslinger. So when the game started and someone said "DRAW!" (as in "draw a card") he instinctively pulled out his gun and shot the other two men dead from force of habit. Realizing what he had done he shot himself from the guilt.
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
I want to cover my bases. :-D
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
@Mandle: Can't be. at least one of them did not die by a gun.
Were there still bullets in the gun?
@
Watson Mandle
Since you didn't post a question I'll I assign it as a solution attempt that â€" as Kumpel stated correctly â€" is impossible because it doesn't fit the already ascertained facts.
So you'll get a (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/szix38ic.gif)
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
Did one of them shot himself?
If so, was it an accident?
Or was it a suicide?
I'm guessing they were playing a card game, but one of them used to be a wild west gunslinger. So when the game started and someone said "DRAW!" (as in "draw a card") he instinctively pulled out his gun and shot the other two men dead from force of habit. Realizing what he had done he died from a heart attack.
Mandle, did you hit re-submit??? ???
BTW, I have a feeling I knew the solution to this riddle... but can't remember it. (laugh)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Fri 17/03/2017 21:11:13
Mandle, did you hit re-submit??? ???
No, I changed the part that didn't fit the facts (nod)
But it still doesn't fit the facts now that I look again so please ignore it and:
Here's my new guess(es) at the solution:
VERSION #1They were playing a game where they each draw a card and whoever gets a certain card (for example an Ace) must shoot themself.
Mr. A shuffled the deck and spread the cards out on the table
Everyone drew a card
Mr. B looked at his card: The ace of spades
Mr. B shot himself
Mr. C looked at his card, but it was also the ace of spades
Realizing Mr. A was using a rigged deck that contained only aces Mr. C choked Mr. A to death
Mr. C died from a heart attack caused by all the excitement and exertion
VERSION #2They were playing a game where they each draw a card and whoever gets a certain card (for example an Ace) must shoot themself.
Mr. A shuffled the deck and spread the cards out on the table
Everyone drew a card
Mr. B looked at his card: An ace
Mr. B shot himself
Mr. C looked at his card, but it was also an ace
Suspecting Mr. A was using a rigged deck that contained only aces Mr. C choked Mr. A to death
After killing Mr. A, Mr C. checked the rest of the cards and found that it was actually a normal deck
Mr. C died from a heart attack brought on by the shock of killing Mr. A in cold blood
(Or something like that... Something about one of them getting busted for cheating feels right...)
So also a question in the likely event my solution is not right:
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
I want to clarify...
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
That's what I asked! ... I don't think I ever got an answer, though.
He already has:
Were the cards playing cards?
in the "No group" so they are not playing cards.
@ Mandle (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/aqf4eexd.gif)
It is near to impossible to fit all the facts right now because not all of the circumstances have been revealed.
You are missing some urgent informations to get it solved at this point
@ SnarkySorry for the confusion on my side, Snarky.
It would have helped if you clarified the meaning of your question when I asked about that.
But nonetheless your cards playing cards is sorted/listed as soon as I found a meaning - just reread the „no“-list to find it.
@ allSo to clarify the aspect about the cards for all I'd like to tell you that it doesn't matter what kind of cards game was played.
They just needed to decide about a winner and everyone took a card from a dek (of whatever kind).
Note to self: Next time let them use matches instead of cards in that story. (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/130305/f4y8sho9.gif)
@ CassiebsgYou will remember that one for sure! We just need someone to come up with the right questions. :wink:
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?
… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 18/03/2017 01:47:19
That's what I asked! ... I don't think I ever got an answer, though.
Quote from: dayowlron on Sat 18/03/2017 03:48:52
He already has:
Were the cards playing cards?
in the "No group" so they are not playing cards.
I was just trying to clarify the point because it seemed confused, but I guess it's irrelevant what kind of cards they were, after all.
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 18/03/2017 04:41:15
@ Mandle
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/aqf4eexd.gif)
It is near to impossible to fit all the facts right now because not all of the circumstances have been revealed.
You are missing some urgent informations to get it solved at this point
I figured it was worth a try and that if I was close in some way it might have helped...
Oh well, it was still fun trying to tailor my solution to the available facts so far...
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Quote from: Stupot+ on Sat 18/03/2017 06:21:43
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 18/03/2017 01:47:19
That's what I asked! ... I don't think I ever got an answer, though.
Quote from: dayowlron on Sat 18/03/2017 03:48:52
He already has:
Were the cards playing cards?
in the "No group" so they are not playing cards.
I was just trying to clarify the point because it seemed confused, but I guess it's irrelevant what kind of cards they were, after all.
Uhm.. now I'm confused... if it's irrelevant what kind of cards they were, why is it
Were the cards playing cards? on the No list? ???
...
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 18/03/2017 04:41:15
@ Snarky
Sorry for the confusion on my side, Snarky.
It would have helped if you clarified the meaning of your question when I asked about that.
I thought Cassiebsg explained it in the following post, and then Stupot+ more explicitly further down.
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 18/03/2017 04:41:15No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were the cards playing cards?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Hold on! This is the same question with two different answers...
Anyway:
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 18/03/2017 08:55:13
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
@Snarky: So you think only one was shot and the other two commited suicide? Interesting 8-0
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140717/vfnv8vkj.gif) My dear investigators
I think its the right time for giving a hint towards another direction.
I have spared neither costs nor effort to get a photo of the evidence in question.
So for all of you who want to see the cards found in that room
please take a peek … (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/cm9czqh8.gif) (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/db/42/f8/db42f80933e17925bf1bfb2a8d2d30cc.jpg)
Hope that won't give away too much but wanted to excuse somehow for the confusion that I caused by my bad english knowledge.
Until the latest explanations I still thought of a fortune-telling cards game and didn't realize that it simply was the question
about what kind of cards have been found.
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140718/pao46a4o.gif) So I placed the 'playing cards' in the 'yes'-list now
(even if it doesn't matter what kind of cards it was â€" but it feels right that way).
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CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
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Quote from: Kumpel on Sat 18/03/2017 09:05:39
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 18/03/2017 08:55:13
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
@Snarky: So you think only one was shot and the other two commited suicide? Interesting 8-0
We know that one person shot themselves, and that it's not the case that one person shot the two others. I suppose it would have been possible that one person shot one of the others, then themselves, and the last person died of some other cause, but it seemed simpler to assume that the suicide was the only shooting. As is now confirmed.
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was the room locked?
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Was there an explosion of any kind?
Were there cards by each body?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
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CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Was the room locked?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Was there an explosion of any kind?
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Were there cards by each body? (Just pin-ups are pictured â€" like to be seen on the image)
Were there cards
at each body? (No, they lay them back afterwards)
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I'm starting to get a playing card phobia … (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/xwot8xuo.gif)
Were more people involved than three?
Did the other two people die from the same cause?
Did one or both of the other two also kill themselves?
Did they know ahead of time that they would all die?
Were they using the cards to "draw lots" (decide at random who was going to do something)?
Was at least one of the persons blindfolded?
Did the gun/the bullet inside explode in some way that was not intended by the shooter?
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CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Was the room locked?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Was there an explosion of any kind? (but not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
Did the other two people die from the same cause?
Did they know ahead of time that they would all die?
Were they using the cards to "draw lots" (decide at random who was going to do something)?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
Were more people involved than three? (not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Did one or both of the other two also kill themselves?
Was at least one of the persons blindfolded?
Did the gun/the bullet inside explode in some way that was not intended by the shooter?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Were there cards by each body? (Just pin-ups are pictured â€" like to be seen on the image)
Were there cards
at each body? (No, they lay them back afterwards)
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Was there a window(s) in the room?
Could the window be opened?
Was the window big enough to be crawled out by the dead people.
I have a theory:
The three were stuck inside a mine tunnel that collapsed after an explosion. Without food, they eventually drew lots with the cards to decide who would kill themselves. So one person shot himself, and the other two ate that person. Finally, the two others eventually died of starvation.
@ Snarky
A really, really good theory, considering how little has been disclosed so far.
You seem to have experience - go on like this and we soon have a new Sherlok.
But sadly I have to place your good theory (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/n3h6s73d.gif)
@ Cassiebgs
I didn't forget you. Your questions will be sorted when I post the next update of the complete list. :-*
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I thought it is a scenario most of you know so it wouldn't be that hard (also not too hard for me to do in english). (roll)
For beginners this is not the easiest way to get in touch with those riddles.
Well, I tried to help a bit with those little 'extensions' of your questions (to place them
somewhere useful instead of where they belong if taken purely) and not to forget that pic of evidence. :wink:
Since it doesn't seem to help that much so far, I want to recommend you:
First find out which kind of death you are dealing with (to get a fixed direction what to go for).
Right now you just know about one of them (the one who shot himself like Snarky stated correct).
There are some more very helpful 'yes-' and 'no-questions' already.
But right now, without knowing what they all died from, those are rather irritating.
Hope you will have a bit of fun while solving the case … (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/8oggs32l.gif)
Quote from: Tabata on Sun 19/03/2017 09:03:29
But sadly I have to place your good theory (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/n3h6s73d.gif)
Oh well... but maybe some elements of the theory can be salvaged.
QuoteSince it doesn't seem to help that much so far, I want to recommend you:
First find out which kind of death you are dealing with (to get a fixed direction what to go for).
Right now you just know about one of them (the one who shot himself like Snarky stated correct).
There are some more very helpful 'yes-' and 'no-questions' already.
But right now, without knowing what they all died from, those are rather irritating.
OK:
Were they able to get out of the room they were in?
Did the one person kill themselves to give the others a hope of survival?
Did the "winner" of the card drawing get to kill themselves with the gun so they didn't have to die some other way?
Did any of them die of hunger or thirst?
Did any of them die from lack of air?
Did any of them have (or think they had) a dangerous disease?
Did any of them die of radiation poisoning?
Was magic involved?
Were they people related to one another?
Had the door been locked from the outside?
Were the persons aboard a ship?
Were the persons sailors?
were the persons castaways?
Were they found in a lifeboat?
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 19/03/2017 09:48:14
Oh well... but maybe some elements of the theory can be salvaged.
definitely (nod)
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CASE # 2:They found three dead bodies in the room, also a set of cards and a revolver.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Were they playing
some form of Russian Roulette with the cards and the gun?
Had the revolver been fired by one of the people found dead?
Was (one of) the people shot?
They each drew a card ...
Did any of the three shoot themselves?
Did one of them shot himself?
… was it a suicide?
Were the cards 'playing cards'?
Were the three dead bodies all human?
Did the person who was shot die before the two others?
Is the number/value/color of the card each one drew relevant to there fate?
Was the room locked?
Did the revolver contain only one bullet before the game began?
Was there an explosion of any kind? (but not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Had they all revealed the cards that they had drawn before anyone died?
Did the other two people die from the same cause?
Did they know ahead of time that they would all die?
Were they using the cards to "draw lots" (decide at random who was going to do something)?
Did the "winner" of the card drawing get to kill themselves with the gun ...
Did any of them die from lack of air?
Were they people related to one another? (relationship)
Were the persons aboard a ship? (a special kind of - and its usually more referred to as "boat" rather than as "ship")
Were the persons sailors?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Were (all of) the people shot?
Was there a 4th person playing cards and lost all his money so he shot the other 3 and fled with the money?
… was there signs of a robbery gone bad?
Did all three die of the same causes?
Were the cards playing cards?… the one with the lowest card is going to be killed with the gun,
but before they can reveal their cards one guy picks up the gun and shoots the other two,
then he turns over the cards and realizes he had the lowest card then dies from a heart attack.
Had the gun been fired more than once?
Were the cards business cards?
Was one of the three people a magician?
Did at least one of the three people die of natural causes?
Did at least one of the three people die of poison?
Did at least one of the three people get stabbed?
Did at least one of the three people get bludgeoned?
Were there still bullets in the gun?
Did they play a game that they thought only one of them would survive?
Did one of the people shoot the two others?
Did they each look at their own card and assumed that they had won or lost?
If so (shot himself), was it an accident?
Did one of the men get busted for cheating at the game?
Did the third guy laugh himself to death? (laugh)
Did one of the 3 guys strangle one of the others?
Did the other two people kill each other?
Was there a draw (same naumber/value/color on two or more cards) after the cards have been drawn? (wtf)
Was any of the three people depressed?
Did the others die from a ricocheting bullet?
Did the bullet kill more than one person?
Were more people involved than three? (not inside the room or during the scene that you are about to reconstruct)
Did one or both of the other two also kill themselves?
Was at least one of the persons blindfolded?
Did the gun/the bullet inside explode in some way that was not intended by the shooter?
Was there a window(s) in the room?
Could the window be opened?
Were they able to get out of the room they were in?
Did the one person kill themselves to give the others a hope of survival?
Did the "winner" of the card drawing get to kill themselves with the gun so they didn't have to die some other way?
Did any of them die of hunger or thirst?
Did any of them have (or think they had) a dangerous disease?
Did any of them die of radiation poisoning?
Was magic involved?
Were they people related to one another? (no relatives)
Had the door been locked from the outside?
were the persons castaways?
Were they found in a lifeboat?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
did the dead bodies have money on them, …
Are the cards 'playing cards' of the suited 1-10 Jack Queen King Ace variety?
Were there cards by each body? (Just pin-ups are pictured â€" like to be seen on the image)
Were there cards
at each body? (No, they lay them back afterwards)
Was the window big enough to be crawled out by the dead people. (he, he, he - even if they had a window - there are no Zombies involved) :wink:
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Were they in a submarine?
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 19/03/2017 14:09:44
Were they in a submarine?
(nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod) (nod)
now give it to me, baby :-D
Well, I guess the submarine had sunk, run out of power, or perhaps sprung a leak, and they all knew they were going to suffocate (or possibly drown). They only had one gun with one bullet, so to decide who would get the easy way out, they drew cards. The winner shot himself, while the other two died slowly.
The case is solved now and I declare Snarky the winner
… and therefore the one with the prerogative to present the next case.
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Here's my original solution for case # 2:
A heavily damaged submarine drowned and in the last intact room there are three persons still alive but going to suffocate because the oxygen reserves will soon be consumed. There's no hope for (even one of them) to be saved in time. Since the only available revolver has just one bullet left, they play cards for the privilege to shoot themself.
Case #2 solved and closed! (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/ap878va5.gif)
All right! Good one, Tabatha.
I've thought of one, too. It's a little different (it's not originally a riddle), but hopefully it'll work...
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?
Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
QuoteNo (wrong)
Are all three humans?
What is Not-Human and wears colths/aprons? (wtf)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one died of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron died of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?
@ Kumpel
Quote from: Kumpel on Sun 19/03/2017 18:10:52
What is Not-Human and wears colths/aprons? (wtf)
A robot for example ... also this one might be a human ... just not all of them are. :wink:
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?
Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough)
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
I've got a theory: The person in the apron was having a barbecue with the two others. They both died a long time ago but every year this person inflates two dolls in their image and has a barbecue with them to commemorate their passing. Unfortunately the dolls were filled with hydrogen and a flame from the barbecue licked one of the dolls causing an explosion which "killed" them all.
Are any of them food products?
Quote from: Stupot+ on Sun 19/03/2017 22:27:28
I've got a theory: The person in the apron was having a barbecue with the two others. They both died a long time ago but every year this person inflates two dolls in their image and has a barbecue with them to commemorate their passing. Unfortunately the dolls were filled with hydrogen and a flame from the barbecue licked one of the dolls causing an explosion which "killed" them all.
(wtf) (wtf) (wtf) (wrong) (laugh)
Wrong.
Figuring out the nature of the victims is probably the most promising approach at this point, though you'll also need to figure out what sort of activity was taking place. You already have some clues to pursue both lines of inquiry.
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?
(on consideration, I suppose this is debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Was it a family of elves? dwarves? fairies?
Were two of them married?
Father and mother?
Was there a child?
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
If yes, had they already arrived when the three died?
Is cannibalism involved?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they die the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. The father died and is in his coffin in a suit. Mother was cooking the food for the guests who would soon be arriving, hence the apron. When the son came downstairs in his own suit the mother mistook him for her dead husband in the gloom of the parlor. She keeled over from shock and died. The son was so grief-stricken at losing both parents and also to have been part of the cause that he killed himself.
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 20/03/2017 05:06:20
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. ...
... but isn't that a typical human thing? I am still puzzeled what kind of non-human beings we have here. (wtf)
Quote from: Tabata on Mon 20/03/2017 05:37:03
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 20/03/2017 05:06:20
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. ...
... but isn't that a typical human thing? I am still puzzeled what kind of non-human beings we have here. (wtf)
He is an ex-human.
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 20/03/2017 05:06:20
I'm gonna guess that the event is a wake. The father died and is in his coffin in a suit. Mother was cooking the food for the guests who would soon be arriving, hence the apron. When the son came downstairs in his own suit the mother mistook him for her dead husband in the gloom of the parlor. She keeled over from shock and died. The son was so grief-stricken at losing both parents and also to have been part of the cause that he killed himself.
Wrong. I don't think you have enough information to make an educated guess yet, unless you recognize the source of the riddle (which, remember, isn't originally a riddle); and most of you probably aren't familiar with it.
Quote from: Sinitrena on Mon 20/03/2017 00:59:13
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Was it a family of elves? dwarves? fairies?
Aha! But here it gets a little tricky. To me, for example, elves and fairies are usually the same thing, and in some folklore (e.g. Icelandic) dwarfs and fairies are interchangeable. Issues like these are relevant here. I'm going to stick to the common modern understanding, however.
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Is cannibalism involved?No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?
(debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they trolls?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
By the way, thanks Kumpel. This is a fun thread :-)
Are we dealing with mythical creatures (i.e. cyclops)?
I'll jump in quickly because of a major clue:
Case #3
A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?
Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason? (more or less)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad? (not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Were two of them married? (presumably)
Father and mother?
Was there a child? (in the sense of offspring)
Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they trolls?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur? (not terribly relevant, but not apparently)
Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party? (yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")
Were they killed by the person of people they were trying to eat?
Sounds like a family of trolls where the child troll was trying to eat the parents.
Was the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Did (at least)one die by petrification?
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died.
Or
Were they dressed after death?
Quote from: dayowlron on Mon 20/03/2017 11:50:46
Sounds like a family of trolls where the child troll was trying to eat the parents.
Taking this as an offered solution: Incorrect. (wrong) Note that one of the victims did
not kill the other two.
You've got a lot of it figured out now. I'm going to want a reasonably on-target explanation of how they were killed to accept a solution.
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Were two of them married?
(presumably)Father and mother?
Was there a child?
(in the sense of offspring)Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they trolls?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
Were they killed by the person of people they were trying to eat?
Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Is a help to suicide involved?
Was at least one a human?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Is at least one of them an animal?
(debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Are we dealing with cyclops?
(they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
(not terribly relevant, but not apparently)Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death? (in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
(yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
This is not totally meant as a guess to the puzzle, however it does fit all the clues as far as I know, but still unsure of what kind of "feast" it was.
The father troll was abusive so the mother troll poisoned him and tried to cook him.
The offspring troll saw what the mother did to his dad so he killed the mother (stabbing/shooting don't know).
Then the offspring troll wanting food ate the father troll and died from the poison.
no need to respond, just throwing out ideas. however question.
did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Quote from: dayowlron on Mon 20/03/2017 14:46:54
This is not totally meant as a guess to the puzzle, however it does fit all the clues as far as I know
QuoteThe father troll was abusive so the mother troll poisoned him and tried to cook him.
The offspring troll saw what the mother did to his dad so he killed the mother (stabbing/shooting don't know).
Then the offspring troll wanting food ate the father troll and died from the poison.
Incorrect. (It doesn't fit the answer that none of them died by poison.)
Quote from: dayowlron on Mon 20/03/2017 14:46:54
still unsure of what kind of "feast" it was.
Isn't that pretty much explained by the answers so far? Maybe I'm not seeing some alternative interpretation...
To possibly make the case clearer, I'll try something different in the organization of answers:
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?The Victims:Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married?
(presumably)Father and mother?
Was there a child?
(in the sense of offspring)Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Superseded clues:
Spoiler
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
(nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?
No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
(not terribly relevant, but not apparently)Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
(yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")The Deaths:Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death?
(in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Was the feast some special occasion?
and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case?
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (DÃa de muertos)?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?Yes (nod)
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
No (wrong)
Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (DÃa de muertos)?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion?
(depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case?
(I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)Stuff you already know:
Spoiler
The Victims:Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married?
(presumably)Father and mother?
Was there a child?
(in the sense of offspring)Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Superseded clues:
Spoiler
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
(nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?
No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
(not terribly relevant, but not apparently)Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
(yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")The Deaths:Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death?
(in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Solution
Ahhhhh...! It's the scene from The Hobbit where the three trolls are going to eat Bilbo but argue so much that the sun comes up and turns them to stone!
Bugger.... No it's not... :(
Question: Is this story from Beowulf?
@mandle: sun->stone is off the table already...
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
(Thanks, dayowlron, for noticing my typo)
What is a billy boat?
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily?
Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition (not because food is needed/rare)?
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking?
Many of you seem to have gotten stuck on a wrong track (though a couple of questions at least make the right fundamental assumption), and I'm not sure why. There's an answer from a while back that I thought for sure would pretty much give away the whole thing. I think perhaps you're overthinking it, or maybe getting hung up on some minor detail that doesn't seem to fit with the obvious solution? I recommend you go through the answers so far and look for ones that provide definite information. It should be enough to propose a partial theory (a sort of "police report" of what you know about the case, leaving out the things you don't yet understand), and once I have confirmed that you can start filling in the details.
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?Yes (nod)
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking?
(in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)No (wrong)
Is this story from Beowulf?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
Were they killed by a billy boat? ;)
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily?
(not exactly...)Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition?
Did the parents have to die because food is needed/rare?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked?
(intended by whom?)
(This is the same ambiguity that makes Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process? unanswerable, BTW)Stuff you already know:
Spoiler
The Victims:Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married?
(presumably)Father and mother?
Was there a child?
(in the sense of offspring)Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Superseded clues:
Spoiler
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
(nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?
No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
(not terribly relevant, but not apparently)Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (DÃa de muertos)?
Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
(yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion?
(depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case?
(I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)The Deaths:Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death?
(in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Is the killer possibly still alive?
Was the crime scene staged by the real killer?
Did the cook get murdered because he choose the wrong 'food'?
Okay I got a serious problem with:
QuoteWere any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
and
QuoteIs cannibalism involved?
Because of these two I always thought "people" is refering to the three dead trolls you are mentioning in the story, but now I think none of the trolls were cooked, but other "people".
Was the person they tried to cook a human?
Is it relevant to know who/what the person is that survived?
Were more than the four involved?
Is the number of overall involved people relevant?And we still dont know how the trolls got killed.
Were at least one of the trolls killed with a weapon or a weaponized kitchen tool?
Is the murder weapon relevant to solve the case?And this one is interesting
QuoteDid the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking? (in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)
Are the trolls blind?
Did the troll cook forget to turn on the fire?
Did the "ingredient(s)" simulate(d) to be cooked but waited for the right time to kill the trolls?
Yes (nod)
Is the killer possibly still alive?
Was the crime scene staged by the real killer?
(but again, probably not in the way you mean; don't focus on this for now)Did the cook get murdered because he choose the wrong 'food'?
(in a sense)Was the person they tried to cook a human?
Were at least one of the trolls killed with a weapon or a weaponized kitchen tool?
Is the number of overall involved people relevant?
(in the sense that it constrains possible solutions)Is the murder weapon(s) relevant to solve the case?
(it's part of the solution you need to provide)Did the "ingredient(s)" simulate to be cooked but waited for the right time to kill the trolls?
(not quite, but pretty close)No (wrong)
Were more than the four involved?
Are the trolls blind?
Did the troll cook forget to turn on the fire?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Is it relevant to know who/what the person is that survived?
(it depends on how detailed we want to get with this; but you don't need to learn anything more beyond what you now know about this person in order to solve the rest of it)Stuff you already know:
Spoiler
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?The Victims:Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married?
(presumably)Father and mother?
Was there a child?
(in the sense of offspring)Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Superseded clues:
Spoiler
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
(wrong)
Is this story from Beowulf?
The Context:Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?
No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
(not terribly relevant, but not apparently)Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (DÃa de muertos)?
Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
(yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion?
(depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case?
(I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)The Deaths:Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking?
(in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death?
(in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
Were they killed by a billy boat? ;)
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily?
(not exactly...)Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition?
Did the parents have to die because food is needed/rare?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked?
(for both questions: intended by whom?)
So maybe the little troll caught a human for the first time but instead of killing him instantly and eating him after that, his/her parent-like relatives wanted to do a feast out of his/her first ever catch. The two put on nice cloths, while the son/daughter prepared him/herself to cook his/her first by him/herself caught human with putting the apron on as his/her mother taught him. But in their business they didn't think of the human anymore and so he broke out of his cage or whatever, took a knife, the son/daughter of course sharpened before he/she put on the apron and killed the young wannabe cook. After that he waited for the parents to appear and killed the parents in their finest cloths. THE END??? (laugh)
Because I am sure, that that's not exactly the answer:
Was the cook killed first?
Were the three trolls always in one "room"/cave/near the fireplace?
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 21/03/2017 13:01:41
So maybe the little troll caught a human for the first time but instead of killing him instantly and eating him after that, his/her parent-like relatives wanted to do a feast out of his/her first ever catch. The two put on nice cloths, while the son/daughter prepared him/herself to cook his/her first by him/herself caught human with putting the apron on as his/her mother taught him. But in their business they didn't think of the human anymore and so he broke out of his cage or whatever, took a knife, the son/daughter of course sharpened before he/she put on the apron and killed the young wannabe cook. After that he waited for the parents to appear and killed the parents in their finest cloths. THE END??? (laugh)
Pretty close! The details that are wrong are either irrelevant or almost impossible to figure out by blindly guessing. There's just one key detail missing, and it's about how you account for this question:
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked? (YES)(That thing I told you not to focus on before, now might be the time to focus on it.)
Yes (nod)
Was the cook killed first?
No (wrong)
Were the three trolls always in one "room"/cave/near the fireplace?
(not all of them, no)Stuff you already know:
Spoiler
Case #3A family of three are found dead. Two are dressed in their finest clothes, and the third is wearing an apron.
What happened?The Victims:Yes (nod)
Were they trolls?
Were two of them married?
(presumably)Father and mother?
Was there a child?
(in the sense of offspring)Were the parents (Mother and Father) the ones dressed in their finest clothes?
No (wrong)
Are they the kind of troll that turn to stone in the sunlight?
Are the trolls blind?
Superseded clues:
Spoiler
Yes (nod)
Are we in some kind of fantasy setting?
Are we dealing with mythical creatures?
No (wrong)
Are all three humans?
Was at least one a human?
Is at least one of them an animal? (debatable, but not what you'd usually call an animal, anyway)
Does the triad consist of artificial intelligence?
Were the two well-dressed bodies inflatable dolls?
Are any of them food products?
Was it a family of elves?
... dwarves?
... fairies?
Does the triad consist of aliens?
Are the three unicellular beings?
Are we dealing with cyclops? (they could be cyclopic, actually, but it doesn't come into the story)
(wrong)
Is this story from Beowulf?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Is it relevant to know who/what the person is that survived?
(it depends on how detailed we want to get with this; but you don't need to learn anything more beyond what you now know about this person in order to solve the rest of it)The Context:Yes (nod)
Was it a barbecue party that had gone bad?
(not exactly barbecue, and the party didn't have a chance to start, but close enough; let's say a feast)Were the two wearing the finest clothes when they died?
Is the number of overall involved people relevant?
(in the sense that it constrains possible solutions)No (wrong)
Are the three in a funeral dynasty / crematorium?
Had [the other invited guests] already arrived when the three died?
Were the two well-dressed bodies in caskets?
Does the 'finest clothes' refer to some form of hide or fur?
(not terribly relevant, but not apparently)Was it a celebration of something like the Day of the Dead (DÃa de muertos)?
Were more than the four involved?
Irrelevant :X
Were other people (except for the three victims) invited to the party?
(yes, but they don't come into the story; also, "people")Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Was the feast some special occasion?
(depends on what you mean by a special occasion; I mean, isn't a feast special in itself?)and would knowing what the occasion is help in solving the case?
(I have no idea; it's not super important, but it might help put some other pieces together, maybe?)The Deaths:Yes (nod)
Did at least two of them die from the same reason?
(more or less)Is cannibalism involved?
Were any of the "people" (or parts of them) cooked?
Were they killed by the person or people they were trying to eat?
Did at least one of them die by someone else (not by one of the three gone dead)?
Did the cook make a mistake during the preparation or process of cooking?
(in a way, but not in the way you probably mean)Is the killer possibly still alive?
Was the crime scene staged by the real killer?
(but again, probably not in the way you mean; don't focus on this for now)Did the cook get murdered because he choose the wrong 'food'?
(in a sense)Was the person they tried to cook a human?
Were at least one of the trolls killed with a weapon or a weaponized kitchen tool?
Is the murder weapon(s) relevant to solve the case?
(it's part of the solution you need to provide)Did the "ingredient(s)" simulate to be cooked but waited for the right time to kill the trolls?
(not quite, but pretty close)No (wrong)
Is a help to suicide involved?
Did one kill the other two?
Did at least one die of natural causes?
Did the one with the apron die of starvation?
Is at least one of them suffocated?
Did at least one of them die by poison?
Did at least one die from electroschock?
Did they [all] die at the same time?
Did (at least) one die by petrification?
Were [any of them] dressed after death?
(in the story I've taken it from the answer is debatable, but I changed/messed up one detail, making it a straight-up no)Did the person who was eating the others die because he ate them?
Did the person who was eating the others die from suffocation?
Did the person who was eating the others die by poison inside the body of the others?
Did the offspring eat one of the parents?
Are the two chosen ones to be a sacrifice?
Was at least one of them drowned?
Is the killer one of the three trolls?
Did any of the trolls kill themselves?
Were they killed by a billy goat?
Were they killed by a billy boat? ;)
Did they (those to be eaten) die voluntarily?
(not exactly...)Did the parents have to die to follow a tradition?
Did the parents have to die because food is needed/rare?
Did the troll cook forget to turn on the fire?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the person(s) that were to be cooked die from the cooking process?
Were one of the three trolls intended to be cooked?
(for both questions: intended by whom?)
So piggybacking off of Kumpel's fine solution:
The prisoner escaped his shackles and pushed the child troll into the broth, boiling him alive, then he waited for the parents to come and killed them too.
Yeah, basically. :)
There's a small wrinkle in that the killer waited until the parent trolls had eaten of the soup made from their child before he killed them, but you basically got it.
(http://www.gifs-paradise.com/animations/animated-gifs-fireworks-08.gif)
So I declare that Kumpel and Stupot+ have cracked the case!(http://www.gifs-paradise.com/animations/animated-gifs-fireworks-08.gif)
Nice work everybody. Sorry if it seemed tricky; I think maybe the genre of the story didn't lend itself as well to puzzle form as I had hoped. The case is based on the classic Norwegian fairy tale "Smørbukk", told to Asbjørnsen & Moe. Here's a free English retelling:
Spoiler
Butterscotch
There once lived a boy who was very greedy, and always stuffing himself with cream, butter, and all kinds of candy. Because of this he was quite chubby, so everyone called him Butterscotch. Now, as I'm sure you all know, the health risks of childhood obesity are very serious: above all, it makes you a delicacy to trolls.
So one day Butterscotch is in the kitchen with his mother, when they hear the dog barking. They look out the window, and see a horrible, gangly troll hag carrying her head under one arm and a sack over her shoulder. His mother says to Butterscotch, “You better hide under the kitchen table so that troll doesn't catch sight of you!†And so he scoots under there.
A moment later, the troll comes through the door. “Howdy!†she says to the mother. “Nice weather we're having. Is Butterscotch around?†And the mother replies, “Good day, ma'am. Uh, no, I haven't seen him all day.â€
“Well that's a bummer,†says the troll, “seeing as I have this pretty little silver knife I wanted to give him for a present.â€
“Pip pip! I'm here! I'm here!†yells Butterscotch and jumps out from under the table. (Like I said, he was a greedy little boy.)
“What a lucky coincidence!†says the troll. “It's at the bottom of my bag. Do you mind climbing in to get it for me? My arthritis is bothering me, you see.â€
So Butterscotch climbs in, but the moment he's in the sack, the troll heaves it over her shoulder and legs it out of there to bring him back to her home. She walks all day, and when she gets tired she asks into the bag: “Do you know of a hotel around here? Ideally one with a room safe.â€
“Oh, we passed one a while back,†says Butterscotch. “If you'll just turn around…â€
But the troll doesn't want to walk extra, so instead she looks for a spot along the side of the road where she can lie down. While she's sleeping, Butterscotch takes the silver knife, cuts a hole in the bag, finds a tree stump and puts it inside. Then he runs back home to his mother.
The next day the troll arrives at her place and is all ready to cook Butterscotch, but when she opens the bag she only finds the tree stump. Damn that bothersome Butterscotch!
So one day later, Butterscotch and his mom are in the kitchen again, the dog barks, troll, hide under the kitchen table etc.
“Have you seen Butterscotch today?†asks the troll.
“Shoot, you just missed him!†says his mother.
“Shame. You see, I had this nice matching silver fork I wanted to give him.â€
Well, Butterscotch jumps out once more (he really was a very greedy little boy), gets in the bag (newly patched), and off they go again. When the troll gets tired, she asks into the bag: “Really, there aren't any hotels around here? What about a motel or a little Bed & Breakfast or something?â€
“No, I'm afraid it's all AirBnb these days,†replies Butterscotch, anachronistically. So the troll lies down by the side of the road to sleep, and Butterscotch takes the fork and pokes a hole in the bag, gets out and puts a big rock inside instead. Then he runs back home to his mother. When the troll gets home the next day, she only finds the big rock. “That does it!†she says to her husband. “I'll get that little fatso one way or another!â€
So, third try:
“Know where I can find Butterscotch?â€
“Butterscotch? Butterscotch… No, doesn't ring a bell.â€
“Really? Well, if you run into him, tell him I have a very chic little silver spoon to complete the cutlery set.â€
“Gimme gimme gimme!†yells Butterscotch, emerging from hiding. (Really, it's sickening.) And in the bag he goes.
This time when night falls, the troll just keeps on walking. Butterscotch (who should have thought this whole thing through better) tries to make his way out of the bag with the spoon, but that goes about as well as you would expect.
They walk all night, and by the time they reach the troll's house, it's Sunday morning. The troll says to her daughter, “Take Butterscotch here, slaughter him, carve him up and make us some Butterscotch soup while your father and I are in church; we'll invite all the neighbors over for Sunday dinner!â€
When the parents had left for church, the daughter set about trying to butcher Butterscotch, but she didn't know how to slice him. “Here, let me show you how you do it,†said Butterscotch. “Just put your head down on the countertop like this…†And as she laid her head down, Butterscotch took a meat cleaver and chopped it clean off, as if she'd been a chicken. Then he scooped out her innards and popped them in the pot, which he cooked up into a delicious-smelling soup. He arranged the head and the rest of the daughter's carcass in a nice little window seat the trolls had put in along one wall of the kitchen, with a blanket to cover her. Finally, he found the rock and the tree stump the troll hag had carried home in his place, and carried them up onto the roof, where he hid himself away.
When the parent trolls got home, they found their daughter seemingly asleep on the couch, and the soup all ready. They decided to do a little taste test before the guests arrived, and took a big spoonful of the soup:
“Good, by my troth: Butterscotch broth!†said the troll hag.
“Good, by my troth: Daughter-guts broth!†said Butterscotch down the chimney, but the trolls didn't notice. Then the husband also wanted a taste:
“Yup: Good, by my troth, Butterscotch broth!†said the troll husband.
“Nope: Good, by my troth, Daughter-guts broth!†said Butterscotch once again, and this time the trolls heard him.
So they ran out to see where the voice was coming from, but as they came out the door (the hag holding her head up to see better), Butterscotch threw the rock and the tree stump down on their heads and bashed them to pieces. Then he looted their house, taking all their gold and silver, and went back home to his mother a rich boy.
THE ENDSpoiler
("Smørbukk" literally means "Butter-buck", and is usually translated as "Buttercup" or "Butterball" in English, but it's also the brand name of a butterscotch candy, so I used that name instead. Also, in the original story the daughter's whole body goes in the soup, but I forgot about that in the initial description when I mentioned one of the victims being found wearing an apron, so I've finessed it in this retelling so that he only uses her guts.)
That's effed up, right?
The TL;DR version:
Spoiler
A troll had caught a boy and brought him home to eat. Since it was Sunday, she and her husband went off to church (where they were planning to invite all the other trolls to a big Sunday dinner), while they left their daughter to slaughter and cook him. But the boy tricked the troll-daughter into letting him cut her head off, and made a soup from her body instead (while arranging her head in bed to make it look like she was sleeping). Her parents got home and tried the soup, saying it tasted good. The boy, who had hidden himself up on the roof, called down to taunt them about eating their own daughter, and when they came out to look he hit them with a rock and a tree stump, killing them.
This story is a favorite of mine partly because of the gratuitous cannibalism, and partly because it has the trolls going to church while the little boy they're going to eat for dinner later is (supposedly) being slaughtered. Not to mention how the hero keeps climbing into that bag over and over, even after he's already been kidnapped twice. (laugh)
Nice one Snarky (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/120812/xr3xm5wj.gif)
I'm just wondering why Butterscotch's mother obviously didn't to anything to help her son
even if she was in the kitchen where it happened three times in a row. (wtf)
Did she sell him to the troll or what? :shocked:
Now who is coming up with the next case? Stupot? Kumpel?
I am home from work now and waiting (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140725/9ykn72w9.gif)
(laugh)
Oh finally! That one was really tricky. Stupot you can tell us a new one, if you want. 8-)
Quote from: Tabata on Tue 21/03/2017 17:47:39
I'm just wondering why Butterscotch's mother obviously didn't to anything to help her son
even if she was in the kitchen where it happened three times in a row. (wtf)
Did she sell him to the troll or what? :shocked:
She told him to hide, and lied about not knowing where he was. What else was she gonna do? Not her fault he kept falling for the same trick over and over again. (Which might be his arrogance and greed rather than stupidity.)
So... the moral of the story is... greed pays of? (laugh)
nice one Snarky. ;-D
Stuuuu where are you?
I need my dose of black bedtime-story ... tired - soo tired (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/vjd6ddnt.gif)
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 21/03/2017 18:12:13
She told him to hide, and lied about not knowing where he was. What else was she gonna do? Not her fault he kept falling for the same trick over and over again. (Which might be his arrogance and greed rather than stupidity.)
Sure it is his fault but what mother lets get her child getting hurt just because it is acting stupid.
"Never go with strangers and not even if they promise to show you something interesting."
In case that mother is realising that a stranger is talking to her little one and going to leave with her ...
please don't tell me you really believe it is a normal reaction to look away
just because it would be the childs own fault if it gets abused then? 8-0 :shocked: 8-0
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 21/03/2017 17:55:42
Oh finally! That one was really tricky. Stupot you can tell us a new one, if you want. 8-)
You do it mate. You basically solved it. I jusr added the garnish :-)
CASE #4:
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Were they watching a public execution?
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Is the one who died a human?
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage?
Was it an accident?
Did the victim fall?
Did something fall on the victim?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Lets see, we have a human or several humans that died from an accident at some sporting event. The clue that confuses me was the fall question.
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
The wording seems a little ambiguous so...
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Quote from: dayowlron on Wed 22/03/2017 14:29:25
Lets see, we have a human or several humans that died from an accident at some sporting event. The clue that confuses me was the fall question.
Don't be confused by that. It's just that a fall can happen at different times with different reasons. f.e. if a not sitting or lying person dies ;)
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Did the victim play a ball game?
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier)
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Were the yells in response to the death?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
I was just about to post when I saw Snarky just posted asking all of my questions except 1.
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
that's a 'shot' in the dark :)
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
:P Oh boy that list gets long :P
Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Was the victim a cheerleader?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death?
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...)
No (wrong)
Were they watching a public execution?
Was it murder?
Did something fall on the victim?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (no, but close;) )
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did more than one person die?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Here is my revenge for your subsequent change of one of my first questions: (laugh)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/WasatchVsJunctionCity.jpg/658px-WasatchVsJunctionCity.jpg) when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 22/03/2017 20:36:17
:P Oh boy that list gets long :P
Yeah, I found that as well. :-D
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 22/03/2017 22:19:33
Was it a crash at an airshow?
(roll) Doesn't it - even if they use small model aircrafts - usually happen outside? (roll)
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 22/03/2017 21:46:16
Yes (nod)
...
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
...
QuoteHere is my revenge for your subsequent change of one of my first questions: (laugh)
Well. I just sort that whole pack in the NOPE area, aye? :P
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Was she a circus performer?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
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Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 22/03/2017 22:57:56
QuoteHere is my revenge for your subsequent change of one of my first questions: (laugh)
Well. I just sort that whole pack in the NOPE area, aye? :P
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140719/vbhwsbuq.gif) I am running out of ideas about other woman sports that are practised indoors without animals (roll) :-[
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? :shocked:
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
I'm not sure if I understand Tabata's question there.
Are you saying that sawing someone in two counts as a sport?
Quote from: Tabata on Wed 22/03/2017 23:10:59
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? :shocked:
I think you have hit on the answer maybe Tabby!
Was the girl a magician's assistant doing a saw-the-lady-in-half trick and the audience started yelling when they saw the blood dripping down from the cabinet and realised the trick had gone wrong?
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 22/03/2017 23:13:44
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
No it's a KIND OF SPORT where an ASSISTANT is needed. Therefore the underlined words done by me.
I suppose trapeze might count as gymnastics and maybe a sport, so I'll ask:
Was she doing a trapeze act?
Pretty small circus, isn't it? I would have thought a circus audience would typically be hundreds of people, if not more than a thousand.
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?
QuotePretty small circus, isn't it? I would have thought a circus audience would typically be hundreds of people, if not more than a thousand.
Not the best circus + a bad day audience-wise + not everyone is yelling at a suspenseful performance + "dozens" is a not defined number beetween 12 and a nice crowd of people imho = :=
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 22/03/2017 23:13:44
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower? (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
So, she was tied to the wheel and started spinning, the knife-thrower put on his blindfold and started throwing the knives, but the assistant panicked and started struggling, which caused the wheel to slow down and stop. The audience started yelling to warn the blindfolded knife-thrower but they were too late and he threw a knife that fatally wounded her.
QuoteYes
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally?
Was a saw actually involved?
Quote from: Mandle on Thu 23/03/2017 04:54:48
So, she was tied to the wheel and started spinning, the knife-thrower put on his blindfold and started throwing the knives, but the assistant panicked and started struggling, which caused the wheel to slow down and stop. The audience started yelling to warn the blindfolded knife-thrower but they were too late and he threw a knife that fatally wounded her.
You don't yet have all the facts to solve it, but there are several aspects right already. Check out the notes in the no area. Maybe it helps to get new informations.
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it
a kind of sport to saw
the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower? (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Was a third person involved in some way?
The note that it matters that it was a woman confuses me a bit. Therefore: Would it have ended differently if she was male?
And while I'm on this: Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?)
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Was she blindfolded?
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Ok, I have a theory: The assistant was blindfolded and the knife thrower probably too. There was supposed to be some cue to tell her when she was allowed to move again, I'd think the circus band playing a jingle or something like that. It didn't happen as it was supposed to and she moved too early.
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Were clowns involved?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else?
Quote from: Sinitrena on Thu 23/03/2017 07:24:21
Ok, I have a theory: The assistant was blindfolded and the knife thrower probably too. There was supposed to be some cue to tell her when she was allowed to move again, I'd think the circus band playing a jingle or something like that. It didn't happen as it was supposed to and she moved too early.
There are still informations missing. But your question are good.
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it
a kind of sport to saw
the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))
Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
Quote from: Kumpel on Thu 23/03/2017 11:06:42
Quote from: Sinitrena on Thu 23/03/2017 07:24:21
Ok, I have a theory: The assistant was blindfolded and the knife thrower probably too. There was supposed to be some cue to tell her when she was allowed to move again, I'd think the circus band playing a jingle or something like that. It didn't happen as it was supposed to and she moved too early.
There are still informations missing. But your question are good.
Case #4
Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?
Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON. Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...
When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it a kind of sport to saw the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident? (Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )
Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))
Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Irrelevant, Unanswerable or Ambiguous :-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)
Was the victim the person handing the knives to the thrower, moved behind the thrower who then accidentally managed to throw it backwards at the victim?
Was the victim tied up?
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Was the knife thrower supposed to be completly blind during the act (as in, normally they cheated and only pretended he was blind)?
Was she tied to something?
Or could she move freely while the knives were thrown?
Mandle mentioned it in his solution but didn't ask: was she tied to a spinning wheel?
If yes, did the thrower tie her up?
Does it matter which knife killed her? (Normally a knive thrower throws more than one.)
Was it the first? Second? Third? Fourth?
Had they done the same act before?
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it
a kind of sport to saw
the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
Was the knife thrower supposed to be completly blind during the act (as in, normally they cheated and only pretended he was blind)?
Could she move freely while the knives were thrown?
Had they done the same act before?
Does it matter which knife killed her? (Normally a knive thrower throws more than one.) (He would have for sure, but this time see next question)
Was it the first knife [that killed her]?No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))
Was the victim the person handing the knives to the thrower, moved behind the thrower who then accidentally managed to throw it backwards at the victim?
Was the victim tied up?
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Was she tied to something?
was she tied to a spinning wheel?
Did the thrower tie her up?
Second? Third? Fourth? [knife that killed her]Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Did he throw the knife too early? Before she had reached her position?
was it supposed to be a fake knife but wound up being a real knife?
Case #4Dozens of yells were heard as one was dead from one second to another. What happened?Yes (nod)
Is the one who died a human?
Was it an accident?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of sport?
Are those who yelled watchers?
Were the yells in response to whatever caused the death?
Did the performance take place inside a building/tent?
Was it a showman whose performance went terribly wrong? (CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE A YES FROM NOW ON.
Actually spot on yes. Must have been the sleep deprivation...When you say "dozens of yells", was that approximately the size of the audience?
Was she killed by another person (or multiple people)?
Was she a circus performer?
Or is it
a kind of sport to saw
the assistant of the magician literally? (nod)
Was she assisting in some kind of stunt, such as acting as the target for a knife thrower?[/b] (nod)(nod)(nod) (But for me it's a sport, not a stunt :-[)
Would it have ended differently if she was male? (We are living in modern times but I in this historic event I am pretty sure of that)
Was the knife thrower blindfolded?
Was it actually a knife-throwing act?
Did the act involve impressive accuracy?
Did the act involve a dangerous object (or objects) of some kind?
Was she killed by a thrown knife?
Was the knife thrower supposed to be completly blind during the act (as in, normally they cheated and only pretended he was blind)?
Could she move freely while the knives were thrown?
Had they done the same act before?
Does it matter which knife killed her? (Normally a knive thrower throws more than one.) (He would have for sure, but this time see next question)
Was it the first knife [that killed her]?No (wrong)
Was it murder?
Did he die on stage? (no, but close)
Did something fall on the victim?
Did more than one person die?
Was he himself to blame for the accident?
(Maybe work on this once more. It's close to yes ;) )Did the victim perform that sport alone?
Was the dead person male? (Even if it doesn't matter, just to make the pronouns easier) (It matters!)
Was she killed by some kind of mechanical/equipment failure?
Was a third person involved in some way?
Was she blindfolded?
Did she move when she wasn't supposed to?
Did the act involve a feat of strength?
Was the victim herself doing anything impressive, not merely playing a part to exhibit the abilities of someone else? (Are these two questions? (wtf))
Was the victim the person handing the knives to the thrower, moved behind the thrower who then accidentally managed to throw it backwards at the victim?
Was the victim tied up?
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
Was she tied to something?
was she tied to a spinning wheel?
Did the thrower tie her up?
Second? Third? Fourth? [knife that killed her]
was it supposed to be a fake knife but wound up being a real knife?
Did he throw the knife too early? Before she had reached her position?Other/older/superseded/maybe not very helpful Noes
Spoiler
Were they watching a public execution?
Did the victim drown?
Did someone push a button?
Did something explode?
Did the accident happen on a street?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the one who died engaged in some form of stunt?
Did he die from anything medical condition?
Did the stands collapse at a sports arena?
Did the victim play a ball game?
Was it in the middle of a battlefield?
Was the one who died, on a roof just before dying?
Was the person wearing or supposed to be wearing a parachute or something else to soften a fall?
Was the person in a vehicle/machine of some kind?
Was the person who died taking part in an athletics event?
did the person fall onto something that caused his death?
Was a sprinter shot by the start signal pistol?
Was the victim a high rope artist who's partner missed to catch her?
Did the victim perform a pole dance when the pole broke?
Did she die from a fall from a high place?
Was she sky diving and her parachute failed?
Was she bungee jumping? (if so) Did the elastic failed causing her death? (better ignore the "falling" for now. Just a logical consequence and maybe won't help you to solve the case atm.)
Was she hit by one of her mates during synchronous swimming?
Was it an accident during rhythmic sports gymnastics?
Was it unlucky slipping of a mud wrestling fighter?
Was is an accident during ice skating (couple running/dancing) - the male scater lost control/hold and therefor the female got hurt deadly?
Did they play rollerderby when the accident happens?
Did one or more animals take part?
Was it a crash at an airshow?
Was she on the bottom of a human pyramid?
Was the clown car involved?
Was the victim a cheerleader? (not exactly, but close to that)
Was she a dancer of some kind? (Trying to think of what's similar to a cheerleader)
Were the yells in response to the death?
Did the yells (directly or indirectly) cause the death?
Did they yell to try to warn her about something?Was she doing a trapeze act
Was it some kind of illusion?
Was she a human cannonball?
Was a saw actually involved?
:-\
Did the victim fall? (when, where, why?)
Is the knife thrower male (and does this matter?) (In the story it's a man, but actually the sex of the thrower is irrelevant)
Did she put the blindfold on the knife thrower?
keep wondering why does it matter that she was a woman... so...
- Was she wearing high heels? (if so) Did one broke making her lose balance and miss her mark?
- Did she stop to touch up her makeup? (roll)
- Did she say something to the knife thrower that make him lose his concentration?
- Was she herself to blame for the accident? (laugh)
Was the woman distracted by a noise and that's why she moved?
Did the knife go into her head?
Heart?
Stomach?
Is it relevant where the knife went?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Thu 23/03/2017 20:16:08
keep wondering why does it matter that she was a woman... so...
...
Yupp - that's spot on my problem, too. (nod)
If the one who threw the knife wasn't blindfolded I'd say she might have lost her top and irritated him because he saw her naked the first time or something like this. But it doesn't work without him watching her. Also there's no need for a female to scare him that he winced ... (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140718/zyjips3x.gif)
This seems to be my 'it's close to'-case anyway (roll)
... so I am waiting for you others to find out. :grin:
Edit:Aah - one more idea (thanks to Cassie):
Was the first knife supposed to go over her head and because of her wearing high(er) heels instead of the usual shoes becoming taller ... and therefor the knife hit her forehead?
I think the fact that she is female was only to lead us to the knife throwing act conclusion. Kumpel mentions something about historical context in his reply, and, in the past at least, knife thrower's assistants were pretty much always young women, I guess to provide that extra attention-grabber for bored dads dragged to the circus by their kids...
So I think we can ignore that aspect now.
Quote from: Mandle on Thu 23/03/2017 22:28:42
I think the fact that she is female was only to lead us to the knife throwing act conclusion. Kumpel mentions something about historical context in his reply, and, in the past at least, knife thrower's assistants were pretty much always young women, I guess to provide that extra attention-grabber for bored dads dragged to the circus by their kids...
So I think we can ignore that aspect now.
But then it would have ended the same way if the assistant were male. I asked that.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Thu 23/03/2017 21:43:22
Was the woman distracted by a noise and that's why she moved?
This also can't be, because she didn't move (when she wasn't supposed to).
I also had the idea that someone in the audiance whistled because the assistant was so sexy (or something along these lines) and distracted the knife thrower, but this also doesn't fit, because then a third person would have been involved.I'm confused.
It feels like we're all missing something very obvious.
AND WE HAVE A WINNER!
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 23/03/2017 21:46:33
Aah - one more idea (thanks to Cassie):
Was the first knife supposed to go over her head and because of her wearing high(er) heels instead of the usual shoes becoming taller ... and therefor the knife hit her forehead?
That was indeed the sad fate of the knife thrower's female assistant 8-0 :~( (roll)
She assisted him for years and always wore the same shoes. But one day the heel of one of her shoes broke and she put on a different pair. The knife thrower's accuracy level had become almost godlike, but when she wore shoes only a few inch/cm higher, he couldn't see that because he was blindfolded when she walked on the stage. And then the show began and ... ended forever.
Lead Investigators: Hauptkommissarin Tabata and Hovedkommissær Cassiebsg
Lead Coroner: Snarky
Police officer with outstanding deduction skills most worthy of a promotion: Mandle
Ahh nice twist. Is that from one of the cards or did you make it up?
It's part of the game "Black Stories", yeah. But every deadly event in there is historically acurate and provable - or that is at least, what you can read in the manual ;)
Quote from: Kumpel on Thu 23/03/2017 23:11:03
Police officer with outstanding deduction skills most worthy of a promotion: Mandle
Yay! That was a really fun round, and a satisfying conclusion , Kumpel. Thanks for the fun!
But, I'm not sure if I deserve that title: I mostly bumbled around like a certain fictional French detective (no, not the clever one... oh wait, he might be from Belgium) and made loudmouthed guesses without absorbing all the information, or just piggybacked off what others had discovered...
Oh wait, maybe that
is a good way to get a promotion!
Quote from: Mandle on Thu 23/03/2017 23:20:47
Quote from: Kumpel on Thu 23/03/2017 23:11:03
Police officer with outstanding deduction skills most worthy of a promotion: Mandle
But, I'm not sure if I deserve that title: I mostly bumbled around like a certain fictional French detective (no, not the clever one... oh wait, he might be from Belgium) and made loudmouthed guesses without absorbing all the information, or just piggybacked off what others had discovered...
If you have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. :grin:
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 23/03/2017 23:43:28
If you have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. :grin:
Trouble is, I stood on the shoulders of giants and got distracted by something shiny down on the ground. (laugh)
Gaaah! That really was correct? :shocked:
Unbelievable that I got it! (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/120119/wbjpabhu.gif)
In fact I got on the wrong track mostly because of that it had to be a female and that I wouldn't define her part of the scene as a kind of sport.
It might be a kind of sport for the knife-thrower but the womans part I'd assign more to a stunt. (roll)
But it was an entertaining case and very interesting for me to learn about typical female sports during the research. (laugh)
Well, I am on my way to work right now and wouldn't be able to start a new case before this late afternoon. Also I just have a very simple beginners-story in mind for now.
So I'd like to give the chance to Cassie to come up with the next case ...
Erm.... I'm blank! I wouldn't even know where to begin. 8-0
I'll wait for your " very simple beginners-story". :-D
Okay â€" your wish is my command! :kiss:
Here's a clean and easy little case
(and no playing cards involved â€" so please don't even ask) (laugh)
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CASE # 5:Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground.
What happened? (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Did Fred drawn?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
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CASE # 5:Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140725/kqy8tpgg.gif) still need to come in
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
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Was Fred human?
Or an animal?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Was (whatever it was the shards are from) destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?
Natural causes?
Did Fred work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die suddenly?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
Forget it.
Oh, oh:
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
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CASE # 5:Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was Fred an animal?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?
(presuming you are refering to the death) Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Did he die suddenly?
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
Was Fred human?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Did (whatever it was the shards are from) was destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Natural causes?
(presuming you are refering to the death) Did Fred
work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
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so Fred is a fish and the puddle of water was less than 10 cm so the fish died from suffocation.
was the aquarium broken by another person?
do we need to know why the aquarium was broken to solve the case?
was it destroyed by a high pitch sound?
Was Fred killed by an animal?
A bird?
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 25/03/2017 00:01:17
Was it an accident? (presuming you are refering to the death)
Sorry, should have been more clear. Yes, that's what I meant.
Did someone try to steal the aquarium with Fred in it?
Was someone moving house and wanted to transport the aquarium?
Did the aquarium break and Fred died shortly after?
Was the puddle too shallow for Fred?
Sorry - I am having havily probs with my connection :-[
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CASE # 5:Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was Fred an animal?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?
(presuming you are refering to the death) Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Did he die suddenly?
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
so Fred is a fish and the puddle of water was less than 10 cm so the fish died from suffocation.
(main part is solved)was the aquarium broken by another person?
do we need to know why the aquarium was broken to solve the case?
(it's like you don't know why that woman was hit by the knife from the knife-thrower) Did the aquarium break and Fred died shortly after?
Was the puddle too shallow for Fred
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
Was Fred human?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Did (whatever it was the shards are from) was destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Natural causes?
(presuming you are refering to the death) Did Fred
work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
Was Fred killed by an animal?
A bird?
Did someone try to steal the aquarium with Fred in it?
Was someone moving house and wanted to transport the aquarium?
Did a ball come thru the open window and hit the aquarium?
Did a person (kid?) come thru the open window?
Did he/she took the ball and left?
A cat came in through the window and knocked the fish bowl from the shelf. Fred the fish died when the bowl broke. The cat was startled by the noise and jumped back out the window.
Was the fish bowl thrown from the window because someone was having a heated argument?
Did a ball thrown in through an open windows, hit the aquarium, break it, and bounce out again?
Is the window at the ground floor of the building?
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 25/03/2017 10:41:58
A cat came in through the window and knocked the fish bowl from the shelf. Fred the fish died when the bowl broke. The cat was startled by the noise and jumped back out the window.
@Mandle - If you substitute the cat it would be spot on.
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CASE # 5:Fred was found lying on the floor in a puddle of water - dead.
An open window is to be seen and several glass shards are spread along the ground.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was Fred an animal?
Is the puddle less than 10cm deep?
Was it an accident?
(presuming you are refering to the death) Was Fred a fish?
are the shards from an aquarium?
Did he die suddenly?
Did someone or something come in through the window?
Did someone or something exit through the window?
so Fred is a fish and the puddle of water was less than 10 cm so the fish died from suffocation.
(main part is solved)was the aquarium broken by another person?
do we need to know why the aquarium was broken to solve the case?
(it's like you don't know why that woman was hit by the knife from the knife-thrower) Did the aquarium break and Fred died shortly after?
Was the puddle too shallow for Fred
Did a person
(kid?) come thru the open window?
Is the window at the ground floor of the building?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Did Fred drown?
Are the glass shard from the window?
Was he washing the windows?
Did he die from a fall?
Was the window several floors up?
Was Fred murdered?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he shot?
Did he ingest (drink/eat) glass shards?
Was it raining?
Was Fred human?
Are the shards from a bottle?
Did (whatever it was the shards are from) was destroyed at the same time Fred died?
Natural causes?
(presuming you are refering to the death) Did Fred
work in an aquarium?
Are there any glass cuts on Freds body?
Has the water come out of a waterbed?
Was Fred a burglar?
Was anyone besides Fred hurt or killed?
Did he die from a medical condition (such as of a heart attack)?
Was the puddle there before Fred died?
Was Fred killed by an animal?
A bird?
Did someone try to steal the aquarium with Fred in it?
Was someone moving house and wanted to transport the aquarium?
Did a ball come thru the open window and hit the aquarium?
Did he/she took the ball and left?
Was the fish bowl thrown from the window because someone was having a heated argument?
Did a ball thrown in through an open windows, hit the aquarium, break it, and bounce out again?
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Since it is just that one point missing and I still have trouble with my connection I'd like to declare the case solved that you can go on with a new one:
I declare the case solved now and like to call dayowIron the 1st and Mandle the 2nd winner of investigation
… and therefore you/one of you has the prerogative to present the next case
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Here's my original solution for case # 5:
A burglar entered the open window to look for valuable things in the room. During his hectic search he accidentally nudges the fish bowl that contains Fred, the goldfish. The bowl fell on the ground and bursts. The burglar was fleeing (because of the noise he made) while Fred miserably stifled.
Case # 5 solved and closed! (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/ap878va5.gif)
Argh... in my original post I typed that it was a burglar but went back and changed it to a cat for some reason...
Anyway, dayowlron is welcome to the next round, unless he doesn't want it in which case I will take over.
Well done! (nod)
Mandle, you were probably thinking of a cat burglar and got confused... (laugh)
Man, i thought a boomerang had knocked the fish bowl and gone back out the windiw.
Wow, it was a guess and I will take it
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 25/03/2017 22:50:28
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
Yeah, for example: A bullet made out of frozen meat (yeah, I watched that Mystbusters episode)
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?
Yes
(nothing yet)
No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body?
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?
Yes
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body? (yes, but why and was not in the path of the bullet)
No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?
is that a yes or no question? I put it under yes cause that is a true statement. body was not a skeleton.
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?
Yes
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body? (yes, but why and was not in the path of the bullet)
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?
No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
Was the man an intact body of had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
Okay....So the man was shot and the bullet lodged in his intestinal tract. He survived for long enough to expel the bullet from his anus in his feces before he passed away.
no and moved the intact body part of the question to yes
case 6
a man is found dead in his house from a gunshot. there was an entrance wound but no exit wound. when they xrayed the body they found no bullet. what happened?
Yes
Did the bullet exit through a natural orifice in his body? (yes, but why and was not in the path of the bullet)
So that's a "yes" on the intact body, "no" on the skeleton?
Was the man an intact body?
No
Was the bullet made of ice?
Was he killed by the bad guy from "No Country For Old Men"?
Or from some other material that doesn't show up on x-ray?
A bullet made out of frozen meat
did someone remove the bullet afterwards?
Did the killer remove the bullet?
did he fall on the bullet?
had he rotted away to a skeleton (in which case the bullet might have fallen out of his empty skull)
So the man was shot and the bullet lodged in his intestinal tract. He survived for long enough to expel the bullet from his anus in his feces before he passed away.
He was shot and the bullet lodged in his stomach. He expelled it through his mouth while vomiting up blood before he died.
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 26/03/2017 00:44:35
He was shot and the bullet lodged in his stomach. He expelled it through his mouth while vomiting up blood before he died.
We have a quick winner. Got the inspiration from an NCIS episode. He had gotten sick from being shot which upset his stomach.
Quote from: dayowlron on Sun 26/03/2017 00:48:20
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 26/03/2017 00:44:35
He was shot and the bullet lodged in his stomach. He expelled it through his mouth while vomiting up blood before he died.
We have a quick winner. Got the inspiration from an NCIS episode. He had gotten sick from being shot which upset his stomach.
Phew.... I'm glad I got back online in time to change my theory to the exact opposite before such an obvious alternative got swooped by someone!
That was really fun dayowlron and it really made me feel like a detective when I realized what the solution must be, even though I got it backwards the first time... (laugh)
I have a case in mind and will present it very soon...
Okay, this is one I came up with myself so no idea if it's going to be an easy solve or slightly trickier:
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?
Yes
No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Did something happen to the prison itself?
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?
Yes
Did something happen to the prison itself? ("Yes", but many things happen to anything over time. "something" and unlimited time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Has he been pardoned for his crimes by a leader of his country?
If you say "rest of his life", did he have an illness and it was known, that he would die pretty short after he got out?
Did a change of the prison director or any other hierarchical change happen?
Btw and OT: Did you guys know, that prison break is not a crime per se and cannot be punished by law (e.g. in germany), but a "natural desire for freedom". Nevertheless this contradicts the juristical decision of a prison sentence. How paradoxical†‹:-D
Was the man a prisoner?
Did the man lived a long life after he escaped?
Did he die shortly after his escape?
Did the prison caught fire and burned?
Was the prison guarded?
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?
Yes
Did something happen to the prison itself? ("Yes", but many things happen to anything over time. "something" and unlimited time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Did a change of the prison director or any other hierarchical change happen? ("Yes", but again such things happen over time of course. Undefined time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Was the man a prisoner?
Did the man lived a long life after he escaped?
Was the prison guarded?
No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Has he been pardoned for his crimes by a leader of his country?
If you say "rest of his life", did he have an illness and it was known, that he would die pretty short after he got out?
Did he die shortly after his escape?
Did the prison caught fire and burned?
Did the guards realized he had escaped?
Was it an adult who escaped?
Was it a break out?
Was it a typical prison?
Did it happen during a war?
Was he a baby born in a woman prison?
was he imprisoned because he commited a crime?
was he a prisoner of war?
Was his head his prison?
Was he really old?
Was he really young?
did someone take his place?
Case #7
A man escaped from a prison but nobody ever went looking for him and he was a free man for the rest of his life. Why?
Yes
Did something happen to the prison itself? ("Yes", but many things happen to anything over time. "something" and unlimited time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Did a change of the prison director or any other hierarchical change happen? ("Yes", but again such things happen over time of course. Undefined time frame too vague to provide useful answer.)
Was the man a prisoner?
Did the man lived a long life after he escaped?
Was the prison guarded?
Did the guards realized he had escaped?
Was it an adult who escaped?
Was it a break out? (Yes, he broke out from prison.)
Did it happen during a war?
was he a prisoner of war?
No
Did everyone assume he had died?
Was his file lost?
Has he been pardoned for his crimes by a leader of his country?
If you say "rest of his life", did he have an illness and it was known, that he would die pretty short after he got out?
Did he die shortly after his escape?
Did the prison caught fire and burned?
Was it a typical prison? (I assume you mean of the current normal variety)
Was he a baby born in a woman prison?
was he imprisoned because he commited a crime?
Was his head his prison?
Was he really old?
Was he really young?
did someone take his place?
Was the man a spy?
Did he make the others forget him?
Was he a magician?
Was he inprisoned in a mental health institution?
Did he escape during an attack?
Did he manage to escape alone?
Were there people that helped him?
Did the prison got destroyed during an attack? (Maybe air raid?)
Did the war ended shortly after his escape?
Had the man committed a crime? Or was he just "from the wrong side of the war"?
Was the prison under siege?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 26/03/2017 15:51:46
Did the war ended shortly after his escape?
I believe this counts as a win! With bonus points to Tabby and Selmiak for narrowing down the fact that he was a P.O.W. very quickly!
Solution:Yes, the man was in a prisoner of war camp and escaped, but before a manhunt could even be launched the war ended and so he was free to return home to his own country.Over to you Cassie, or Tabby or Selmiak I guess in case Cassie doesn't want to host...
Sorry, I can't!
Still only have my smart phone. :~(
Let's squeeze this one in till a host is found ;)
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body decomposed?
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?
Yes
Was the body decomposed?
No
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was the body male?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body human?
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?
Yes
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
No
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Unaswerable
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body a girl/child?
Was there clothes on the body?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?
(I think you forgot to sort Daves earlier entry)
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?
Yes(nod)
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
Was there clothes on the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?
No(wrong)
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body a girl/child?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?
Unanswerable/Irrelevant:-\
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body male?
Was there a plane crash?
Is this a victim of the crash?
Was a tree trunk spread across the body? (such as the tree had fallen on him)
Had there been a forest fire?
Was the victim wearing anything made from foamed neoprene?
Was there a cross nearby?
Was the body buried? Had the body been buried at one point?
When you say he knew "what happened", does that refer to how the person died (as opposed to e.g. why their body was found now)?
Was the victim participating in a hobby a shortish time before they died?
Did the detective killed this person? (laugh)
Was the victim wearing any large metal cylindrical objects?
Mandle just gimme the damn answer :P
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?
Yes(nod)
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
Was there clothes on the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?
Had there been a forest fire?
Was the victim wearing anything made from foamed neoprene?
When you say he knew "what happened", does that refer to how the person died (as opposed to e.g. why their body was found now)?
Was the victim participating in a hobby a shortish time before they died?
Was the victim wearing any large metal cylindrical objects?
No(wrong)
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body a girl/child?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?
Was there a plane crash?
Is this a victim of the crash?
Was a tree trunk spread across the body? (such as the tree had fallen on him)
Was there a cross nearby?
Was the body buried? Had the body been buried at one point?
Did the detective killed this person? (laugh)
Unanswerable/Irrelevant:-\
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body male?
Did he/she die in winter?
Was he/she a skier?
Had there been an avalanche?
Case #8
It was a strange sight for the detective as he got to the remote body recovery site in a sparsely grown part of an old wood. The dead body must lie here for years. But he knew in an instant what happened. Do you?
Yes(nod)
Was the body decomposed?
Was it a skeleton?
Was the body human?
Was there clothes on the body?
Was the reason why this is a "sparsely grown part" of the woods related to the reason for the death?
Was it the only skeleton they found?
Had there been a forest fire?
Was the victim wearing anything made from foamed neoprene?
When you say he knew "what happened", does that refer to how the person died (as opposed to e.g. why their body was found now)?
Was the victim participating in a hobby a shortish time before they died?
Was the victim wearing any large metal cylindrical objects?
No(wrong)
Had the body fallen from a tree?
Was the body found on a “body farm“ (not sure if this is the right expression, I mean a place where scientists put bodies to watch and record the process of decomposition)?
was there a bullet found near the body?
Was there a hole in the skull?
Was the head separated from the body?
Was there an unopened parachute?
Was the body a girl/child?
Were there clothes near the body?
Was the body that of an old person (pre-decomposition)?
Was it an restricted area after a nuclear catastrophe?
Was there a plane crash?
Is this a victim of the crash?
Was a tree trunk spread across the body? (such as the tree had fallen on him)
Was there a cross nearby?
Was the body buried? Had the body been buried at one point?
Did the detective killed this person? (laugh)
Did he/she die in winter?
Was he/she a skier?
Had there been an avalanche?
Unanswerable/Irrelevant:-\
Was the reason of death easy to see without further investigation? (Depends on the experience one has, doesn't it?)
Was the body a woman?
Was the body male?
He had been wearing a jet pack and crashed and the jet pack caused a fire he was caught in.
Was he the cause of the fire?
So I'm sure Mandle got it, but just to get it over with:
The skeleton was wearing a diving suit with air tanks, and the explanation is that he was diving in a lake when a helicopter came to scoop up water to put out the forest fire, accidentally grabbing him with it (and then he was dumped over the forest, of course).
Ah shoot, I had discarded that one cause of the "no fall", but i can see it apparently was only asked about "from a tree"... (roll)
Then again, I was sure that in the original story the guy did hit the trees, and that would have made the "fall from a tree" true. (laugh)
Quote from: Snarky on Mon 27/03/2017 20:17:54
The skeleton was wearing a diving suit with air tanks, and the explanation is that he was diving in a lake when a helicopter came to scoop up water to put out the forest fire, accidentally grabbing him with it (and then he was dumped over the forest, of course).
That's absolutely right. Just a snack for the riddle-hungry audience :)
It's really Mandle's turn. If he doesn't want it, I do have one...
Quote from: Kumpel on Mon 27/03/2017 19:34:11
Mandle just gimme the damn answer :P
Sorry, I knew the riddle already so I felt bad about just giving it away. I thought I'd just ask a few questions to provide some hints, but it seems I had to be a smartass and prove that I knew the answer while doing so.
Sorry about that as well :-[
I believe the winner, Cassie, or one of the runners-up, Tabby or Selmiak, have the right to run a round (or even just run around), but I'll jump in with what should be a fairly short one that just popped into my head if they don't mind:
Case #9
A man got taller as he died. Why?
Was he tied to a rack?
Case #9
A man got taller as he died. Why?
YES
NO
Was he tied to a rack?
Was he squeezed or flattened in some way?
Does it matter that he was a man?
Was he killed?
Case #9
A man got taller as he died. Why?
YES
NO
Was he tied to a rack?
Was he squeezed or flattened in some way?
Does it matter that he was a man? (No, it's just for the ease of using pronouns.)
Was he killed? (I'm assuming you're asking if he was murdered. He was killed by what happened to him, but not by another person.)
Was he his normal height immediately before he started dying?
Did the death take a long time (at least, he didn't die instantly)?
Was he on earth at the time?
Was he a human being?
Did he get more than, say, a couple of centimeters taller?
Was he falling at the time of death?
Was he being stretched?
Did he fall into a black hole?
Was it a (hu-)man that was born?
The moment your life starts is the same you begin to die. Before you usually get the chance to grow.
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 28/03/2017 08:48:12
Did he fall into a black hole?
WHAT THE...!? Who even jumps to such a far-out conclusion that quickly?!
Aaaaand... you are 100% correct!
(Wow, that was over a lot faster than I anticipated... (laugh))
SolutionThe man was an astronaut falling into a black hole and getting spaghettified by the intense difference in gravity between his feet and his head.Well, over to Snarky, or Cassie, or someone... Kinda lost track...
Oh, after Tabata's guess I figured the black hole thing was the red herring you wanted us to think, while the real answer was that he died slowly over a year or so (from a disease, maybe) while still growing normally.
OK...
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(https://i.imgur.com/lUIlU4l.gif)
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 28/03/2017 09:08:28
Oh, after Tabata's guess I figured the black hole thing was the red herring you wanted us to think, while the real answer was that he died slowly over a year or so (from a disease, maybe) while still growing normally.
Yeah, the (slightly depressing) answer that he was just a normal guy growing up (and hence slowly dying at the same time) occured to me soon after I posted the riddle. That's a pretty damn good answer too!
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
No
...
Did she turn herself in?
Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Is the killing intentional?
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
Spoiler
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]NoDid she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
I have a theory...
She hears two lovers, thinks her husband is cheating on her, goes in a fit of rage and kills him only to discover that it was actually her son.
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill?
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him?
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 28/03/2017 11:24:44
I have a theory...
She hears two lovers, thinks her husband is cheating on her, goes in a fit of rage and kills him only to discover that it was actually her son.
(wrong)
Also, we already established that the son is younger than 13, so the "she hears two lovers" part is a bit :-X
Spoiler
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional?
[But...]Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" â€" see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]NoDid she turn herself in?
[Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
[Not right away]Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 28/03/2017 11:57:21
Also, we already established that the son is younger than 13, so the "she hears two lovers" part is a bit :-X
Oops... I hadn't noticed this when I posted that theory! :-[ :-[
Having conclusively proven that I don't read the previous clues properly <FACEPALM>...
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case?
Was the mother in her right mind, when she did it?
Has the mother taken any drugs?
alcohol?
inhaled any chemicals?
Has the mother any mental illness?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him?
Spoiler
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional?
[But...]Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill?
["Somehow" â€" see next question]Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him?
[Sure, that works]Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?NoDid she turn herself in?
[Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
[Not right away]Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneeked in?
Was it the parent's bedroom she sneeked in?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in? (Tabby's question just made me realise the ambiguity of "the bedroom he was sleeping in")
She planned to kill her husband while he was sleeping but didn't know that their son had had a nightmare or something and had crawled into bed with Daddy and she stabbed the son by accident?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Edit:
I realise the part where she doesn't realise the victim was her son is a much more relevant path to pursue than my above query, but it felt like a good question still.
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 28/03/2017 12:59:06
(Tabby's question just made me realise the ambiguity of "the bedroom he was sleeping in")
;)
There is also some other important background context about these people that you haven't caught a whiff of yet.
Quote from: Mandle on Tue 28/03/2017 13:01:41
She planned to kill her husband while he was sleeping but didn't know that their son had had a nightmare or something and had crawled into bed with Daddy and she stabbed the son by accident?
(wrong)
Spoiler
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional?
[But...]Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill?
["Somehow" â€" see next question]Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him?
[Sure, that works]Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?NoDid she turn herself in?
[Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
[Not right away]Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case?
[Not particularly]Had the mother taken any drugs?
[Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]Had the mother had any alcohol?
[Ditto]Had the mother inhaled any chemicals?
[Ditto]Does the mother have any mental illness?
[Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him?
[No, let's go with the knife]Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Were they religious?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight?
Was the mother blind?
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she plan the murder for a longer time?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. heritage, to make an event happen...)?
Was the son sleeping in a bed?
Did they had a pet?
Spoiler
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
OK, I think you've figured out that she stabbed her son by mistake, thinking it was someone else, in someone else's bedroom. You still need to figure out who she intended to kill, why, and why the son was in that bed (though that part isn't so important).
YesWas her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional?
[But...]Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill?
["Somehow" â€" see next question]Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him?
[Sure, that works]Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?NoDid she turn herself in?
[Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
[Not right away]Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case?
[Not particularly]Had the mother taken any drugs?
[Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]Had the mother had any alcohol?
[Ditto]Had the mother inhaled any chemicals?
[Ditto]Does the mother have any mental illness?
[Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him?
[No, let's go with the knife]Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?IrrelevantWere they religious?
Did they have a pet?AmbiguousDid she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and â€" at least in my mind â€" no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Did she have money trouble and want to kill one of her parents to get the heritage but forgot that her son sometimes sleeps in grandma's/grandpa's bed?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husbands parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"?
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative?
Case #10In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 28/03/2017 17:10:31
Did she have money trouble and want to kill one of her parents to get the heritage but forgot that her son sometimes sleeps in grandma's/grandpa's bed?
(wrong)
YesWas her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional?
[But...]Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill?
["Somehow" â€" see next question]Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him?
[Sure, that works]Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight?
[I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]NoDid she turn herself in?
[Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son?
[Not right away]Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case?
[Not particularly]Had the mother taken any drugs?
[Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]Had the mother had any alcohol?
[Ditto]Had the mother inhaled any chemicals?
[Ditto]Does the mother have any mental illness?
[Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him?
[No, let's go with the knife]Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?IrrelevantWere they religious?
Did they have a pet?
AmbiguousDid she plan the murder for a longer time?
[Yes and â€" at least in my mind â€" no, depending on exactly what you mean]Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her family?
Was the person she tried to kill related to her family?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husbands sibling?
You repeated it twice, but I still don't know exactly what you mean by "related to her family"; is it in any way different from "a relative"?
For the two others: no, but "husband's sibling" would be an example of a relationship where I think it's ambiguous whether it counts as a relative of hers.
"related to her family" = brother/cousin/uncle... anyone blood related to her (although I can see that she could have uncles/aunts that are not blood related to her, but related by marriage... that you after? ;) )
The second line was suppose to read:
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband's family? (sorry about that :-[ )
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?
I find "related to somebody's family" a confusing concept, so I simplified it a little.
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" â€" see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband?
No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husband's sibling?
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?
Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?
Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and â€" at least in my mind â€" no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her/family? [See above]
Did she intend to get away with the murder without being caught by the police?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by winning the trial in court?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by framing somebody else?
Did she intend to kill her stepchild?
So zhat her son would be the only heir of her husband?
Sinitrena got it! ... but there's one aspect of the inheritance still to work out...
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" â€" see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband?
Did she intend to kill her stepchild?
So that her son would be the only heir of her husband?
No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husband's sibling?
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?
Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?
Did she intend to get away with the murder without being caught by the police?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by winning the trial in court?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by framing somebody else? [Yes, but this isn't really relevant]
Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and â€" at least in my mind â€" no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her/family? [See above]
Did it say in the will that the inheritance would go to "my eldest son"?
Did the stepchild know about her plan and make the son to sleep in his bed because of that?
Was the "inheritance" something that could save the life of only one of the two sons (like a heart transplant)?"
Spoiler
Case #10
In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.
(Explain the reasons and circumstances for what happened.)
Yes
Was her son a child? (younger than, say, 13 years old)
Is the killing intentional? [But...]
Did the son look somehow like the man she intended to kill? ["Somehow" â€" see next question]
Was her son completely under the blanket when she killed him? [Sure, that works]
Did she already intend to kill a person before she entered the room?
Was the mother in her right mind when she did it?
Did she kill him with a knife?
Is the bedroom in the house they live in?
Would it have ended differently in bright daylight? [I don't think it could have happened in broad daylight]
Did she want to kill a human?
Did she hope to accomplish something else than getting rid of the person with the murder (e.g. inheritance, to make an event happen...)?
Had she planned a "home invasion gone wrong"? [Something like that]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her husband?
Did she intend to kill her stepchild?
So that her son would be the only heir of her husband?
No
Did she turn herself in? [Doesn't really matter, but let's say no]
Does the son have an incurable disease? (Is this a case of euthanasia?)
Does the mother realise that she's killed her son? [Not right away]
Did she know she would kill her son before she did it?
Did she think it was her husband?
Is the murder weapon relevant to this case? [Not particularly]
Had the mother taken any drugs? [Not to the point where it's relevant to the case]
Had the mother had any alcohol? [Ditto]
Had the mother inhaled any chemicals? [Ditto]
Does the mother have any mental illness? [Open to interpretation, but it was not an act of pure insanity]
Did she shoot him?
Did she suffocate him? [No, let's go with the knife]
Did she think it was an intruder / burglar?
Was it the son's bedroom she sneaked into?
Was it the parents' bedroom she sneaked into?
Did she want to kill her husband?
Is the killing an act of mercy, saving the victim from a much worse fate? (for instance certain starvation or a nuclear apocalypse)
Was the mother sleep-walking?
Were they the only people in the house at the time?
Was the mother blind?
Were her own parents in the home?
Were her husband's parents in the home?
Was she trying to kill her father/mother in law to inherit something?
Was the person she tried to kill her sibling?
Was the person she tried to kill her husband's sibling?
Was it the bedroom of the nanny?
Did she think she was killing the babysitter?
Irrelevant
Were they religious?
Did they have a pet?
Did she intend to get away with the murder without being caught by the police?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by winning the trial in court?
Did she intend to get away with the murder by framing somebody else? [Yes, but this isn't really relevant]
Ambiguous
Did she plan the murder for a longer time? [Yes and â€" at least in my mind â€" no, depending on exactly what you mean]
Was the person she wanted to kill a relative? [Depends on how you define a relative]
Was the person she tried to kill related to her/family? [See above]
Did it say in the will that the inheritance would go to "my eldest son"?
[Not the will, more like the law... or we could say the inheritance is something that can't be divided]NoDid the stepchild know about her plan and make the son to sleep in his bed because of that?
Was the "inheritance" something that could save the life of only one of the two sons (like a heart transplant)?"
Was the inheritance a property?
Was the inheritance a title?
Was the inheritance the throne? :shocked:
Quote from: CaptainD on Wed 29/03/2017 11:17:14
Was the inheritance the throne? :shocked:
Ah, I suspect you have hit upon the truth about the inheritance!
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 29/03/2017 11:39:50
Quote from: CaptainD on Wed 29/03/2017 11:17:14
Was the inheritance the throne? :shocked:
Ah, I suspect you have hit upon the truth about the inheritance!
Yes indeed!
Case #10In the middle of the night, a mother sneaks into the bedroom where her son is sleeping and kills him.SolutionThere was a king who had two sons. The old queen had died given birth to the older one, and the king had married again, so the two princes were half-brothers. They were the best of friends. But the new queen was jealous of the crown prince, wanting her own son to be the heir. So one night she sneaked into the older prince's bedroom to stab him to death, thinking to blame an assassin. However, the younger prince had gotten scared in the night and (since he was a bit afraid of his mother) gone to sleep in his big brother's bed for comfort, so the queen murdered her own son by mistake.(Initially I was thinking of a whole thing where they change bedrooms, giving the queen her chance, but then the younger kid gets scared and creeps back to his own familiar room, but I figured it would make the riddle too complicated to solve.)
So I declare CaptainD and Sinitrena (building on the work of many others) to have solved the case. Congratulations! ;-D
Good one Snarky.
I'll try to think of a new one or Sinitena is welcome to post one first.
Fantastic case! And the process of solving it was really entertaining. That's why I love the game's concept :D
Thanks to you guys for making this thread great fun :)
I am looking forward to the next mysterious incident!
Snarky, that was a really fun round, and also an excellent example of how to build a really strong mystery that is both fun and complex to solve...
I have been taking notes!
Good round, Snarky. Let's see how this one goes:
Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?
"They saved him, then she died." - are we talking about 2 different people here? (Otherwise I'm thinking sex-swap operation!)
or...
Was "she" his mother? Did she die giving birth?
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about 2 different people here?
Was "she" his mother?
Did she die giving birth? [Close, but not quite there yet.]
No
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
That'll be a fast case.
Did she give him her heart literally?
Were the "he" and "she" both humans?
Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about 2 different people here?
Was "she" his mother?
Did she die giving birth? [Close, but not quite there yet.]
Were the "he" and "she" both humans?
No
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
Did she give him her heart literally?
Is "he" her son?
Did she die because he was saved or isn't there any causality and this was fate/coincidence?
Did they do a cesarean section then she died because the incision got infected?
Did they have an accident?
Is the son a new born?
Was he born ill?
Did she die because he was saved?
Did they do a cesarean section then she died because the incision got infected?
You got it!
Case #11
They saved him, then she died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about 2 different people here?
Was "she" his mother?
Did she die giving birth? [Close, but not quite there yet.]
Were the "he" and "she" both humans?
Is "he" her son?
Is the son a new born?
No
Yeah, sex-change operation gone wrong?
The man went flatline during the operation but they brought him back to life, but after they had completed the sex-change she flatlined again and died?
Did she give him her heart literally?
Did they have an accident?
Was he born ill?
Ambiguous
Did she die because he was saved or isn't there any causality and this was fate/coincidence?
Did she die because he was saved? [There is no real way to say if she had lived (and her son died) if they hadn't done a cesarean, so it's fate and causality both to some degree.]
dayowlron, your turn.
Since I also got (with the help of yourself and others) Snarky's one, I'm putting one up. Hope this one is okay...
Many people see Colin stabbing Brian to death. Brian's body is recovered nearby one week later, evidently having been stabbed to death, but Colin is not even considered a suspect. Why?
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?
Quote from: Mandle on Thu 30/03/2017 12:29:42
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?
Damn you Mandle. (Although, in retrospect, I was concerned that part may be a bit too obvious.)
However, that's not the full solution. ;)
YESWere Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?
NO
Did Colin have a solid alibi for when Brian was murdered?
Was Colin also killed and thus couldn't be considered a suspect?
Case #12 - Many people see Colin stabbing Brian to death. Brian's body is recovered nearby one week later, evidently having been stabbed to death, but Colin is not even considered a suspect. Why?
YES
Were Colin and Brian actors in a scene where Colin stabbed Brian to death?
Did Colin have a solid alibi for when Brian was murdered?
Was Colin also killed and thus couldn't be considered a suspect?
YES YES
I HATE YOU :-D
NO
Haha! Didn't see the new page, and was just about to post: "Brian and Colin are actors, and Colin has a rock-solid alibi (maybe he's also dead, for example)?" 8-)
From earlier:
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 29/03/2017 13:19:55
Fantastic case! And the process of solving it was really entertaining. That's why I love the game's concept :D
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 29/03/2017 15:17:26
Snarky, that was a really fun round, and also an excellent example of how to build a really strong mystery that is both fun and complex to solve...
I have been taking notes!
Thanks! It's hard to tell as the "DM" whether it's working or not.
I think you've solved it thoroughly enough for the full solution to be put up. Sorry it didn't offer more of a challenge! :-[
Brian and Colin are actors. In the play they're appearing in, Colin stabs Brian to death in one scene. One week later Brian is found dead, having been stabbed for real in a mugging gone wrong â€" when he is found, time of death is put at just a few hours ago. Colin is not even considered a suspect because he died of a heart attack the day after the performance.
Dang, I missed another opportunity cause I didnt check this thread. Oh well I dont have a case in mind right now anyways I will forfeit that one.
I think it should be Mandle's turn now
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 30/03/2017 12:44:42
Sorry it didn't offer more of a challenge! :-[
Like Snarky just said: as DM it's always hard to tell ahead of time what will be a challenge and what will just be obvious...
I thought my Black Hole riddle was really thinking outside the box and that it would take ages to get it... But...nope...totally busted!
I'm gonna try to create a really intricate one now that runs like the finest clockwork, but it will probably end up just being another digital watch...
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
NO
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a human?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon?
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
Also, at this point in the thread:
Maybe we should make a maximum questions per update rule?
I think 3 questions per update is fair.
In any case I will be enforcing this rule for this round as a test, so please don't ask more than 3 questions until the next update or all further questions will be ignored.
So maybe don't blow all your questions in one post as something someone else mentioned might spark your brain and then you wished you had another question left to ask...
Sorry to sound like a rule Nazi but all games must have structure.
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional?
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a:
Troll?
Dwarf?
Elf?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Is Richard a ghost?
E: Oh, sorry.... sleeping here. Finally had a theory... (laugh)
Cassie, that has already been asked and answered no
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Tabata just coloured in a part of the picture, but not enough yet to see the whole story!
Did Jessie not know Richard was a vampire and Richard changed into a bat and fly in through an upstairs window she forgot to close?
Just looking at the what I wrote it can't be it cause you answered no to Can Richard change forms? so Richard can't be a vampire.
Quote from: dayowlron on Fri 31/03/2017 02:27:39
you answered no to Can Richard change forms? so Richard can't be a vampire.
That doesn't quite follow.
Was Richard a vampire?
Had Richard been invited into the house before?
Was it Richard's house?
Well it does mean he cant change into a bat to fly in an upstairs window
Quote from: dayowlron on Fri 31/03/2017 02:27:39
Did Jessie not know Richard was a vampire and Richard changed into a bat and fly in through an upstairs window she forgot to close?
Just looking at the what I wrote it can't be it cause you answered no to Can Richard change forms? so Richard can't be a vampire.
Jepp - I stumbeled over it after I posted mine, too. (wtf)
Maybe it was a misunderstanding and Richard can change (is able to do so) but didn't?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Snarky fills in another big part of the picture, but a few points are still in need of clarity:
* Why was Jessie in Richard's house?
* Why was she hiding?
Also, vampire legends and stories often have a mixed bag of powers and weaknesses for the bloodsuckers. The type of vampire that can change into a bat is rarely used these days. I can't really think of one recent movie or book where the vampires can change into bats (well, Bram Stoker's Dracula (the movie), but even then he changed into a kind of bat-demon thing with a human size). I think the puff-of-smoke-and-suddenly-he's-a-bat kind of vampire died out in the modern genre just because it's, well, kind of silly and campy. In this story's universe, following the modern vampire lore, the vampires cannot turn into bats.
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
(I think you already implicitly answered this, but just to be safe): Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
I understand that vampires dont turn into bats in modern day lore, however the part I was referring to in my theory was that he turned into a bat to fly in an upstairs window.
My question:
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire? (Well, she knew the moment she saw him.)
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Quote from: dayowlron on Fri 31/03/2017 13:42:01
I understand that vampires dont turn into bats in modern day lore, however the part I was referring to in my theory was that he turned into a bat to fly in an upstairs window.
Understood. I was just commenting to clear up any general confusion over why Richard was a vampire but couldn't transform into a bat or a wolf etc.
Did Richard know it was Jessie that he was killing?
Did Richard actually intend to kill her?
Was Jessie fleeing from some other vampire (or someone she thought was a vampire)?
Do we need to know something more about the setting of the story in order to solve it? (E.g. that it takes place on the moon, or that it's a town where everyone's a vampire)
Well it was Richard's house so he had a key to get in but:
Did Jessie think the house had been abandoned?
Did she think that Richard is a priest and able to protect her?
Did Richard want to make her his bride?
btw.
My 'youngest' movie about vampires is from 2015, so not that old.
It was Hotel Transsylvania 2 and those still changed into bats to fly. :undecided:
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?
YES
Was Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house? (This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)
So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire? (Well, she knew the moment she saw him.)
Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
Did Richard actually intend to kill her?
Was Jessie fleeing from some other vampire (or someone she thought was a vampire)? (Wording not exactly right...but yes-ish)
Do we need to know something more about the setting of the story in order to solve it? (E.g. that it takes place on the moon, or that it's a town where everyone's a vampire)
Did Jessie think the house had been abandoned?
NO
Was Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon? (No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)
Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional? (I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)
Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before? (At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)
Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Did Richard know it was Jessie that he was killing? (No, meaning that he did not know her name was Jessie)
Did she think that Richard is a priest and able to protect her?
Did Richard want to make her his bride?
Quote from: Tabata on Fri 31/03/2017 17:24:04
My 'youngest' movie about vampires is from 2015, so not that old.
It was Hotel Transsylvania 2 and those still changed into bats to fly. :undecided:
Yeah, in comedy movies about vampires it's still stomachable. (laugh)
Also: Most of the parts of the picture seem to have been almost coloured in...
Solutions and further questions always welcome!
Jessie ran into a house she thought was abandoned but since the house belonged to Richard he was able to get inside with a key. She let him in cause she was fleeing some other vampire but once inside she realized Richard was also a vampire and he killed her. What else needs to be solved? How he might have gotten into his own house other than using a key?
Perhaps she is avoiding a vampire apocalypse.
Maybe the vampire she was fleeing bit Richard and he turned into a vampire once he was inside?
Case #13 - Jessie was certain she was safe, but Richard got into the house and killed her anyway. What's going on and why was she so fatally wrong?YESWas Jessie a human?
Was Richard a sentient creature originating from planet earth?
Does the type of creature Robert is have anything to do with how he got into the house?
(This "yes" might be misleading now that I look again. I meant that it has to do with the whole issue of entering the house, not the exact method of entry. Sorry if this was confusing.)So to clarify, Richard is something like a troll or dwarf or fictional character but not made up in Jessie's mind.
Did Richard get in through a natural opening in the house such as a doorway or window?
Did she think that vampires need to get an invitation to be able to enter the house?
Does Richard have supernatural powers?
Is Richard corporeal (i.e. does he have a physical body) at all times?
Was Richard a vampire?
Was it Richard's house?
Did Jessie know Richard was a vampire?
(Well, she knew the moment she saw him.)Was the "house" an actual house (or castle or similar), rather than something not usually inhabited (like a crypt)?
Did Richard actually intend to kill her?
Was Jessie fleeing from some other vampire (or someone she thought was a vampire)?
(Wording not exactly right...but yes-ish)Do we need to know something more about the setting of the story in order to solve it? (E.g. that it takes place on the moon, or that it's a town where everyone's a vampire)
Did Jessie think the house had been abandoned?
Perhaps she is avoiding a vampire apocalypse?
NOWas Richard a human?
Was Richard a weather phenomenon?
(No, but that could be a really cool riddle.)Was Richard a zombie?
Was Richard an animal?
Was Richard a ghost?
was richard a plant?
was richard a mushroom?
Was Richard fictional?
(I took this as meaning: was he a made up character in Jessie's mind)Was Richard a robot or machine?
Is Richard a real creature? (such as not a troll, dwarf, hobbit, elf or the like)
Can Richard change forms? such as werewolf or shape changing being.
Was Richard an insect?
Is Richard small? say smaller than a bread basket?
Did she think that Richard, the reaper, won't find her where she hid?
Is Richard a: Troll? Dwarf? Elf?
Is Richard an illness/bacteria/virus etc.?
Had Richard been invited into the house before?
(At least not in any way that makes a difference to this story)Was Richard posing as a doctor?
Was it Richard Jessie was fleeing/hiding from?
Was it also Jessies house as in they were a couple?
Did Richard know it was Jessie that he was killing?
(No, meaning that he did not know her name was Jessie)Did she think that Richard is a priest and able to protect her?
Did Richard want to make her his bride?
Maybe the vampire she was fleeing bit Richard and he turned into a vampire once he was inside?
NOT QUITE RIGHT SOLUTIONSSpoiler
Jessie ran into a house she thought was abandoned but since the house belonged to Richard he was able to get inside with a key. She let him in cause she was fleeing some other vampire but once inside she realized Richard was also a vampire and he killed her.
dayowlron has coloured in pretty much the rest of the picture with one of his questions. Can anyone see the whole picture and explain it?
Whenever possible with not quite right solutions I will do as I have done with this one and colour the parts of it that are correct with green, and the parts that aren't with red.
Was he able to get inside cause he knew of a secret doorway?
Was it Halloween?
Was Richard to all appearances dead, so Jessie thought she was safe, but he was actually only sleeping / hibernating?
It's not clear to me what part of the story is still missing:
Jessie was fleeing a vampire apocalypse. She thought the house was abandoned, so she sought shelter there (this doesn't really make sense to me, since I would expect that vampires can enter abandoned houses, but OK). But it was actually Richard's house, so he could get in, and he killed her.
Was Richard already in the house before Jessie hid there?
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 01/04/2017 13:44:55
It's not clear to me what part of the story is still missing:
It was not so much that any part was missing, more that I figured the round ends when somebody posts a correct solution by putting the data together from the YES and NO lists so that it is clear that they understood the entire situation...Which you have done:
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 01/04/2017 13:44:55
Jessie was fleeing a vampire apocalypse. She thought the house was abandoned, so she sought shelter there (this doesn't really make sense to me, since I would expect that vampires can enter abandoned houses, but OK). But it was actually Richard's house, so he could get in, and he killed her.
YES!!!
SOLUTION: It started with sporadic attacks here and there, but with every night that passed the situation worsened.
The vampire curse spread quickly throughout the major cities of the world until it reached apocalyptic levels. The vampires were now in the majority. Jessie managed to flee her city and came upon an isolated country homestead before night fell once again. Even though the house had already been broken into and some supplies had probably already been looted, she found there was still a massive stockpile of canned food, which the looters had not had the means to haul away. She decided to make this her haven, having observed that vampires could not enter a house occupied by a human unless invited in by them.
Weeks passed, with the vampires surrounding her haven every night, their glowing eyes a vast field of red pin-pricks in the darkness, pleading for her to let them in. They scratched on the windows, whispering that she would be much better off just giving in and joining them. But Jessie wanted to retain her humanity for as long as she could. There was at least a year's worth of food stocked in the house, and the plumbing was still working for now.
And the bloodsuckers had no way to get at her without her invitation...
But, on the fateful night our story takes place, the door burst open and Richard strode right in, his eyes glowing bright red.
Jessie fell back in horror and cried out "You can't enter this house! I didn't invite you!"
To which Richard replied "Why would I need an invitation?"
"This is my house."
Richard's red eyes and sharp fangs were the last things Jessie saw before dying, but not the last things she ever saw...Yeah, I dramatized the solution just a tad...
Snarky was the first to put the whole picture together as a posted solution, but also Tabata and dayowlron helped piece the story together with important questions.
I guess Snarky, Tabata, and dayowlron are all viable for hosting the next round.
Whoever wants it first I guess...
I have one that may be quick.
Case #14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Just on the side though:
As DM I thought my round went quite well. I thought the story was solid and the progress made by players was at about the right level to be challenging but not frustrating.
Any feedback on my handling of the round would be very welcome.
Also, did anyone have fun with it?
I thought your case went well.
Yeah, I thought it was good. I do think it's a bit of a difficulty â€" which I've had a lot in my cases too â€" when it seems like the "riddle" itself is solved, but there's some part of the story that hasn't been found, and hasn't really been posed as a mystery or question.
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened?
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Yes
nothing yet
No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office?
Did he left the TV/Radio on? (laugh)
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Just to be sure:
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
I have a feeling this one will go quickly.
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?
No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
Did Bob deliberately incriminate himself?
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?
No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
Did Bob deliberately incriminate himself?
Did the screams come from the person Bob murdered?
Was someone else in Bob's office at any time between him leaving and coworkers entering it?
Was Bob talking to the victim on the phone prior to him leaving the office?
Was Bob so "mad" that he left in a hurry leaving the Phone of the hook?
Did he reached the victim and murder him/her before the victim disconnect his/her phone?
I believe I can declare Cassie the winner. The only piece missing that I had in mind was when the coworkers went into the office they heard Bob committing the murder.
case 14
Bob came out of his office and leaves the building. A few minutes later screams are heard from his office. Coworkers go inside to find no one there. Later Bob is arrested for murder. Why?
Yes
Has Bob left on some kind of commication device - phone, walkie-talkie, etc - that projects the noise of him murdering something into his office? (kind of)
Is Bob guilty of murder?
Did the screams come from someone being murdered?
Was the communication device a phone?
Was it off the hook/connected to where the murder happened?
Did the screams come from the person Bob murdered?
Was Bob talking to the victim on the phone prior to him leaving the office?
Was Bob so "mad" that he left in a hurry leaving the Phone of the hook?
Did he reached the victim and murder him/her before the victim disconnect his/her phone?
No
Did Bob leave something dangerous in his office that consumed someone else (an animal, an open vat of acid...)?
Was there a window in the office? Was it opened? (Might fall more into irrelevant but no one came in or out a window.)
Did he left the TV/Radio on?
Was it a recording device rather than communication device?
Did the victim phone his office number prior to being murdered so that the events would be recorded?
Did Bob deliberately incriminate himself?
Was someone else in Bob's office at any time between him leaving and coworkers entering it?
Cool! :-D
Yeah, but Snarky had already asked that, so we already knew that. ;)
Someone take the next case, please. I've got nothing.
Did the coworkers get murdered?
The case was made up but I did not have them murdered.
Anyone have a new case yet?
Sorry, but 'my case' will have to wait until I get a stable connection back. :~(
Spoiler
Instead of becoming better it's worse
and even my smart phone is acting strange
(this morning I got 32 notifications at once from here :shocked: )
and at home I just had about 3 hours of connection to be possible during the last week (wtf)
So... if no one else wants this round, I have one for you:
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
What's going on there, eh?
Was the criminal a human?
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]
No
...
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Yes
Was the criminal a human? [with an asterisk...]
No
Was the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
does sealed in this case mean airtight?
Did he just open the door?
Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily?
Is the criminal arrested by police?
Is the sealed room a police room?
I'm not inclined to enforce Mandle's "only three guesses per round" rule, but maybe not
quite so many at a time, hmm?
Spoiler
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Was the criminal a human?
[with an asterisk...]Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Is the criminal arrested by police? [law enforcement, anyway]NoWas the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Does "sealed" in this case mean airtight?
Did he just open the door?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily? [or maybe; hard to say]
Is the sealed room a police room?
Was the room an execution chamber?
Was the room a teleporter?
Is it a sci fi story?
Was he teleported out of the room?
Was the sealed room also locked?
By sealed room do you mean there was not a trap door or vent he could crawl out?
Spoiler
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Was the criminal a human?
[with an asterisk...]Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Is the criminal arrested by police?
[law enforcement, anyway]Was he teleported out of the room? [not exactly, but close]
By sealed room do you mean there was not a trap door or vent he could crawl out? [there was not]NoWas the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Does "sealed" in this case mean airtight?
Did he just open the door?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily?
[or maybe; hard to say]Is the sealed room a police room?
Was the room an execution chamber?
Was the room a teleporter?
Is it a sci fi story?
Was the sealed room also locked? [barred, but not locked]
Was the criminal already dead?
Was he put in a coffin?
Was the coffin burned?
was the criminal put in the room actually a hologram?
Well this is embarrassing... I got a pretty key detail wrong. Not even sure it's worth doing it now... but I suspect you'll get it at this point anyway:
Spoiler
Case 15
A criminal is arrested, but vanishes from a sealed room.
Was the criminal a human?
[with an asterisk...]Is the criminal put into the sealed room?
Is the criminal arrested by police?
[law enforcement, anyway]By sealed room do you mean there was not a trap door or vent he could crawl out?
[there was not]Corrected: Did he just open the door? [not "just", but it turns out that getting the door open was part of it]
Was the criminal already dead?NoWas the criminal an X-men kind of mutant?
Was the room a prison cell?
Was there a window in the room?
Does "sealed" in this case mean airtight?
Does he go into the sealed room voluntarily?
[or maybe; hard to say]Is the sealed room a police room?
Was the room an execution chamber?
Was the room a teleporter?
Is it a sci fi story?
Was the sealed room also locked?
[barred, but not locked]Corrected: Was he teleported out of the room? [I thought so, but apparently that happened after disappearing from the room]
Was he put in a coffin?
Was the coffin burned?
Was the criminal put in the room actually a hologram?
Jesus?
That wasn't a guess, that was an exclamation, as in "Jesus, this is difficult", only I accidentally put a question mark there.
Just kidding.
Pretty sure I'm right, so I'm whipping up a new case soon.
Hallelujah! ;-D
I haven't paid close attention to this thread, so I'm not sure I'm doing this perfectly right, but here goes.
Case 16
A man lies dead on a parking lot, near a van. Two sets of tire tracks are seen.
Ask for more details.
@Snarky - Ooh, clever. Good one!
@Andail:
Did the man die from being run over?
Did the man own the van?
Was one of the sets of tire tracks from the van?
Case 16
A man lies dead on a parking lot, near a van. Two sets of tire tracks are seen.
Yes
Did the man own the van?
No
Did the man die from being run over?
Was one of the sets of tire tracks from the van?
Was the man murdered?
Are the other tracks from someone driving away from the scene?
Are all parties involved human?
Case 16
A man lies dead on a parking lot, near a van. Two sets of tire tracks are seen.
Yes
Did the man own the van?
Was the man murdered?
Are the other tracks from someone driving away from the scene?
Are all parties involved human?
No
Did the man die from being run over?
Was one of the sets of tire tracks from the van?
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?
(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)
Does the man have any gunshot wounds?
Does the man have any blunt trauma wounds?
Does the man have any sharp trauma wounds?
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 03/04/2017 12:25:21
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?
(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)
Yes.
Ok that was too easy, I'll make it trickier next time.
PS:
The reasoning behind the tire marks was that you'd only see those made by the swerving/speeding wheels of the Libyans' van and the DeLorean (Doc arrived in his own van, which supposedly arrived gently and without leaving any marks), the DeLorean's tracks even being on fire. And I didn't even get to the point where those tracks end very abruptly...
Quote from: Andail on Mon 03/04/2017 12:50:33
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 03/04/2017 12:25:21
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?
(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)
Yes.
Ok that was too easy, I'll make it trickier next time.
PS:
The reasoning behind the tire marks was that you'd only see those made by the swerving/speeding wheels of the Libyans' van and the DeLorean (Doc arrived in his own van, which supposedly arrived gently and without leaving any marks), the DeLorean's tracks even being on fire. And I didn't even get to the point where those tracks end very abruptly...
I don't know why I flashed immediately to Back To The Future, but as soon as I did I was pretty sure I was right.
Maybe I read your mind for a brief moment there?
I was even going to ask, at first, if one of the sets of tire tracks ended suddenly... By the way, wouldn't there have been three sets of tire tracks? One from the Libyans, one from the first test of the time machine with Einstein, and the third from when Marty escaped in the Delorean?
I'm coming up with a new case...
After quite a bit of thought, I'll try this one I came up with that I think might work... We'll see I guess:
I'm going to use my max 3-question per update rule, and also I'm probably not going to be commenting on questions in brackets. I'm going to try to place the questions in YES and NO as well as I can without comments. I hope I can do so without screwing it up too much...
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
By the way, this could count as one of the most epic wins so far if I do say so myself: 8-)
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 03/04/2017 12:25:21
Does this take place at the Twin Pines/Lone Pine Mall?
(Actually, if he is dead then it must be the Twin Pines Mall...)
I'm not even sure myself how I got it that fast, but something in my gut told me I was right.
BIG sorry to Andail though... I know how it feels to have your riddle, that you thought was solid, busted early on from out of the blue... Just look back some pages to where Snarky busted my black-hole one...
That being said... WOOOOOHOOOOOO!!! It felt GREAT!!!
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
he is an actor and in the play he has to shoot himself in the head and die. He continues to do this in one play after another then one time he hears a balloon pop or some other loud bang and thinks he actually shot himself, but dies from a heart attack?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
Quote from: dayowlron on Mon 03/04/2017 15:20:37
he is an actor and in the play he has to shoot himself in the head and die. He continues to do this in one play after another then one time he hears a balloon pop or some other loud bang and thinks he actually shot himself, but dies from a heart attack?
(wrong)
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
The clue confusing me is you said he dies from doing so but then you answered no to did he die from being shot with the gun.
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
So far my theory is... he shot the gun, perhaps messing around knowing (thinking) it was empty, but inside the chamber and thus released by firing was some king of toxic fume that he eventually died from inhaling / some kind of small pellet that didn't in itself cause major damage, but broke the skin and introduced a toxic substance into the body, thus eventually killing him.
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Quote from: selmiak on Mon 03/04/2017 17:08:50
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
(laugh)
Was it a paintball gun?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Quote from: CaptainD on Mon 03/04/2017 16:10:12
So far my theory is... he shot the gun, perhaps messing around knowing (thinking) it was empty, but inside the chamber and thus released by firing was some king of toxic fume that he eventually died from inhaling / some kind of small pellet that didn't in itself cause major damage, but broke the skin and introduced a toxic substance into the body, thus eventually killing him.
(wrong)
Oh, the list was updated the post before this one, on the previous page...
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
not sure why he would be pointing a radar gun at his head.
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Hmm... possible inspiration (??)...
Was he firing at himself in a mirror? (As in, firing at an image of himself)
after a trip to google...
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter? (roll)
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror? (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Also remember that I'm answering this case in pure YES and NO categories so if too many specifics are asked in a single question it could get put in the NO list.
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Remember he answered no to did he die instantly after firing the gun.
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror? (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is the shooting somehow keeping him alive (for as long as he does)?
Does the toxin he dies of come from the gun?
Does the gun fire a physical substance (in projectile, jet or some other form)?
Actually, if I only get three questions, I'll change the third one:
Is the gun something that really exists in our world? (As opposed to a sci-fi/fantasy device)
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
Is the gun something that really exists in our world? (As opposed to a sci-fi/fantasy device)
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror? (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is the shooting somehow keeping him alive (for as long as he does)?
Does the toxin he dies of come from the gun?
Is it one of those fake guns that is a lighter?
Does he smoke and lighten whatever he is smoking with the gun?
Did he die because of smoking "many times"?
Ah, I bet Tabata's got it, and the thing that kills him is simply tobacco smoking.
I agree. (nod)
D'oh...
It definitely does fit all the clues
Case #17 - A man points a gun at himself but fires it many times before he dies from doing so. Why?
YES
Was he pointing the gun at his head?
Did the gun contain something which is not usually found in guns?
When you say he "fires" the gun, does it actually go off?
Did he die from some kind of toxin?
Is "many times" done over a longer period (i.e. once a day or once a week)?
Is there some other purpose for the shooting than hurting/killing himself?
Does he know that doing this will (or might) eventually kill him?
Is the gun something that really exists in our world? (As opposed to a sci-fi/fantasy device)
Is it one of those fake guns that is a lighter?
Does he smoke and lighten whatever he is smoking with the gun?
Did he die because of smoking "many times"?
NO
Did the gun contain blanks?
Did the gun contain real bullets?
Did the man shoot himself in areas not containing vital organs and took some time to bleed to death?
Was he playing Russian roulette?
did the gun explode in his hand?
Did he die from being shot with the gun?
Did the gun contain one bullet?
Was it a nail gun?
Was he trying to kill him self?
Was he using a stage prop?
Was he an actor?
did he think the gun was empty?
Was the gun a water pistol?
Was the gun a tazer?
Is the gun a firearm?
Did he die from shock, a heart attack, hypnotic self-suggestion or something like that?
Did he die from the contents of the gun piercing his brain?
did he die instantly after firing the gun?
Was there poison on the gun trigger?
Was there asbestos inside/on the gun that he might have inhaled?
Is the "gun" some kind of drug injector?
Does he use it to take some sort of (legitimate) medication?
Did someone else deliberately put something in his gun?
did his fingers cramp from pulling the trigger too much and he couldn't eat any more with these fingers and starved to death?
Was it a stun gun?
Did he put the wrong poison in so he needed several shots?
Was someone else involved?
Was it a paintball gun?
Is it an ordinary handgun?
Is the "gun" some form of medical device?
was it a radar gun?
did he die from radiation?
Was he firing the gun into his mouth?
Was he firing at himself in a mirror? (As in, firing at an image of himself)
Was the "gun" some sort of muscle matter?
Does he perform this shooting without getting hurt (until it went wrong at his last performance)?
Was he a clown?
Was it a pop-gun? (one of those that a small flag "pops out" and says "Bang")
Should he have died every time he fired the gun?
Was the unusual thing in the gun what killed him?
Was the unusual thing organic?
Did him shooting the gun at his head have to do something with his occupation?
Did the gun contain some medication?
Did he die from exposure to this medication?
Is the last shot somehow different from all the others?
Is the shooting somehow keeping him alive (for as long as he does)?
Does the toxin he dies of come from the gun?
Well done to Tabata!!!
Solution: The man is a heavy smoker of many years and he uses a novelty gun-shaped (refillable, we must assume) lighter to light his cigarettes with. Eventually this kills him from a smoking-related disease.
That round lasted longer than I expected for a riddle I came up with on the fly. It's hard to predict what will be easy/challenging. Kinda the same as with adventure game puzzle design!
Over to you Tabata?
Yay! 8-) That was a good one! (nod)
Sadly I am still just with my smartphone. :~(
So if someone has a case in mind - take the chance and shoot!
Edit:
If someone want to host a case but hasn't one to offer - first to post his/her wish here will get one of mine via pm as soon as I can go online again. :kiss:
If noone minds then I do have another one I've been thinking about:
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
If noone minds then I do have another one I've been thinking about:
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Is Is what he was eating of any importance?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Is what he was eating of any importance?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Was the ghost of an animal?
Did he see the ghost in the food?
Was it a slice of toast?
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Is what he was eating of any importance?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Was the ghost of an animal?
Did he see the ghost in the food?
Was it a slice of toast?
Was it the ghost who was eating?
was the man possessed by a ghost?
was the man an undead?
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.
Quote from: Gurok on Thu 06/04/2017 09:00:43
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.
Genius! Well done you (assuming you're right) and well done Mandle (assuming it's right).
Case #18 - A ghost appears before a man while he was eating and the man dies. What happened?
YES
Did he see the ghost?
Did he recognise the ghost?
Is what he was eating of any importance?
Did the man die immediately after seeing the ghost?
Did the man see more than one ghost before he died?
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.
NO
Is it the ghost of the person or creature he is eating?
Was he shocked about seeing the ghost?
did he die from seeing the ghost?
Did what he was eating kill him?
Was the ghost the grim reaper?
Is the ghost himself?
Was the ghost of a man?
Was the ghost of a woman?
Did he die of natural causes?
Did he die from some toxin?
Did he die from electrocution?
Is the man human?
Was the ghost of an animal?
Did he see the ghost in the food?
Was it a slice of toast?
Was it the ghost who was eating?
was the man possessed by a ghost?
was the man an undead?
Quote from: Gurok on Thu 06/04/2017 09:00:43
Pacman was running around a maze, eating pills, and presumably went the wrong way. Blinky, Pinky, Inky or Clyde touched him.
WELL DONE, GUROK! Man, that was a great leap of intuition! You are a true detective. I really thought the round would last a tad longer... (laugh)
Over to you if you want one, or the floor is open if not.
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 06/04/2017 09:34:19
Genius! Well done you (assuming you're right) and well done Mandle (assuming it's right).
Cheers! I thought it was a rather good one if I do say so myself... 8-)
Thanks, Mandle! It was a very lucky guess, but after I'd made it, I was pretty sure of it. I was just reading through the clues again at work today and it struck me.
Let's see if I can do this.
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
die of diabetic shock?
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Oh my God! Willy Wonka killed Forrest Gump for having a more famous quote about chocolates than him!!!
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Oh my God! Willy Wonka killed Forrest Gump for having a more famous quote about chocolates than him!!!
Sorry, not even close! The motive is strong though, I'll give you that.
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Was it Valentine's Day?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
(I have the oddest feeling that this case is from an episode of Columbo!!)
Quote from: CaptainD on Fri 07/04/2017 08:51:35
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
(I have the oddest feeling that this case is from an episode of Columbo!!)
Ah, so the man went to meet his lover at a hotel on Valentine's Day, and found her sitting facing away from him, he took out the chocolates to give her, but it was actually his wife wearing a wig, or possibly it was his lover's dead body and the wife came out from the bathroom. Either was, his wife shot him dead.
Something like that?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Mandle: Ah, so the man went to meet his lover at a hotel on Valentine's Day, and found her sitting facing away from him, he took out the chocolates to give her, but it was actually his wife wearing a wig, or possibly it was his lover's dead body and the wife came out from the bathroom. Either was, his wife shot him dead.
You might be getting off the trail with this one. Try probing for more clues first.
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Were the chocolates meant for his wife?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else and the wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him?
Did he brought the chocolates?
Did his wife brought the chocolates?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
dayowlron, I broke your question up into two parts
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Nevermind... I missed some key points
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover)
Solution: The man bought two seperate but identical boxes of chocolates for his wife, and his lover for Valentine's Day. He put a letter inside both boxes, but he got the boxes mixed up. The wife read the note meant for his lover and thus found out about her husband's affair. So she killed him.
Mandle, that's already been suggested and put in the NO pile.
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 08/04/2017 12:36:45
Mandle, that's already been suggested and put in the NO pile.
Yeah, but it seems mainly because "too many variables" so I took out the "and/or" part...
I took that to mean that it was partially correct (as we have found) but that some part was wrong. Otherwise it would have to go in the YES pile, even if not accepted as a complete solution, surely?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Mandle:
Solution: The man bought two seperate but identical boxes of chocolates for his wife, and his lover for Valentine's Day. He put a letter inside both boxes, but he got the boxes mixed up. The wife read the note meant for his lover and thus found out about her husband's affair. So she killed him.
This is more convoluted than what took place.
Snarky:
Mandle, that's already been suggested and put in the NO pile.
I took that to mean that it was partially correct (as we have found) but that some part was wrong. Otherwise it would have to go in the YES pile, even if not accepted as a complete solution, surely?
I think I meant to say it was too convoluted as well as having the and/or. It's firmly in the no pile.
So do you just want "his wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him"?
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
I think the chocolates are pretty much solved now. Why was he in the hotel?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did she worked as delivery girl?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
So she found two boxes of chocolates and knew that there must exist a second valentine.
If she didn't folow him to the hotel (where he met his lover) she must have been there already.
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did she worked as delivery girl?
Someone put it all together, please!
Did he get the hotel keys mixed up when he gave them to wife and lover?
Did the wife go to the lover's room and find the lover's chocolates there?
Did the man go to the wrong room by accident?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
Did he get the hotel keys mixed up when he gave them to wife and lover?
Did the wife go to the lover's room and find the lover's chocolates there?
Did the man go to the wrong room by accident? - You could say he left the room for a bit
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did she worked as delivery girl?
I think you have everything now.
Was the man alternating between his wife's room and lover's room?
Did he bring the lover's chocolates to the wife by mistake?
Did he leave the chocolates in the wife's room by mistake?
Case #19 - A man is found dead, slumped in the recliner of a hotel room. There are chocolates on his lap, but he wasn't poisoned. What happened?
YES
is there any visible wounds?
is there any other signs that someone else was in the room?
Are the chocolates actually relevant to how he died?
Was he murdered?
Was it Valentine's Day?
Did his wife killed him?
Did he had a lover?
Did he brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did his wife kill him because she found out he was cheating on her?
Did he buy chocolates both for his wife and for his lover?
Did the wife find out about the affair because of the chocolates?
Did his wife like chocolates?
Could her wife eat chocolates?
Did his wife see the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.) for his lover?
His wife found the chocolates he'd bought for someone else, realized he was having an affair, and killed him?
Was he meeting his lover at the Hotel?
Did her wife showed up at the Hotel?
Was he supposed to meet his lover at the hotel?
Did he book two rooms to meet both on valentines day?
Was the man alternating between his wife's room and lover's room?
Did he leave the chocolates in the wife's room by mistake?
NO
die of diabetic shock?
Did he receive the chocolates as some kind of warning message?
Is the mafia involved in this story?
Did he eat any of the chocolates?
Was it Easter?
Was it the dead man's birthday?
Was his wife disguised as someone else when he tried to give her the chocolates?
Was his wife trying to kill someone but didn't realise who he was?
Was the man himself disguised in any way?
Does his wife do something which unintentionally results in his death?
The wife asked who they were for he told her my girlfriend?
Did he get the chocolates and/or valentine cards mixed up so that the wife read the one meant for his lover, got angry and killed him? - Too many variables!
Did his wife brought (buy) the chocolates?
Did the man intend to kill someone?
Does the identity of the lover, or some particular characteristic (e.g. it was a man) matter?
Does the way she killed him matter to the story? - Everything matters, but it's fairly straightforward
Did he switch the boxes by mistake? (as in: gave the ones meant for his wife to his lover, and gave her wife the ones meant to his lover) - No switching
Was there anything special/distinctive about the chocolates (or the box, card, etc.)?
Did his wife know the lover? (I intended this to be covered by the "does identity matter?" â€" but I guess it could be interpreted otherwise)
Had he given the chocolates to his lover yet?
Were the two boxes different?
Did her wife followed him?
Was he on the run from someone?
Did he own the hotel?
So I guess the Valentine's note to the lover said something like "See you at the Lover's Tryst Hotel later tonight!" and that's why the wife knew to show up there and kill the man (and possibly his lover)?
Did her wife worked at the Hotel?
Did he worked at the Hotel?
Did he book a room in that hotel for himself and his wife because his lover works at this hotel?
Did his lover find the chocolates his wife left for him?
Did he get the hotel keys mixed up when he gave them to wife and lover?
Did the wife go to the lover's room and find the lover's chocolates there?
Did the man go to the wrong room by accident? - You could say he left the room for a bit
Did he bring the lover's chocolates to the wife by mistake?
AMBIGUOUS
Did his wife kill him when he tried to give her the chocolates? - Yes and no. I'll need more specific questions to clarify.
Were the chocolates meant for his wife? - Yes and no. Perhaps ask more about the chocolates.
Did he buy the chocolates for someone else? - Yes and no.
IRRELEVANT
Did the chocolates have writing on them?
Did the chocolates have symbols on them?
Did she worked as delivery girl?
Solution: A man booked two rooms at the same hotel for his wife and his lover on Valentine's Day. He left the chocolates for his lover in his wife's room by mistake. While he was out visiting his lover in her room his wife opened the chocolates and read the note meant for the lover. Then:
Either the wife waited for him to return and killed him when he did....or....
She tracked him down to his lover's room and killed him there...
He fell into the chair, and the wife threw the chocolates onto his corpse in disgust.
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 10/04/2017 06:20:54
Solution: A man booked two rooms at the same hotel for his wife and his lover on Valentine's Day. He left the chocolates for his lover in his wife's room by mistake. While he was out visiting his lover in her room his wife opened the chocolates and read the note meant for the lover. Then:
Either the wife waited for him to return and killed him when he did....or....
She tracked him down to his lover's room and killed him there...
He fell into the chair, and the wife threw the chocolates onto his corpse in disgust.
Yes. I'll give you this, except there's no note!
I used this as a starting point (obviously changed some details):
http://www.kerngoldenempire.com/news/local-news/duplicate-valentines-day-gift-may-have-served-as-motive-in-murder-of-local-chef/664165595
Case #19 closed!
Chief inspector: Mandle
Assistant inspector (who did a lot of the work): Snarky
Your turn, Mandle.
Sweet! That was a nice Valentine's Day massacre!
I'll come up with a new one soon!
I thought up two potential cases. I will choose the one I'm guessing might be a better round:
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
By body did you mean his body is still in tact?
does he work at a mortuary?
I want to change one of my questions.
Was taxidermy involved?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Is the man human?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
So yeah, I'm going with pure yes or no answers again because I feel that's the best way to run a solid riddle, which I hope this is...
Hmm... very intriguing!
Is the body put on long-term display?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a
yes or a
no?
Quote
Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Nah... I'll save one of my questions
I'm online for about the next 30 minutes and hot to play so if you want answers post your questions fast and furious...
But only 3 at a time please...
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
I'm online for about the next 20 minutes and hot to play so if you want answers post your questions fast and furious...
But only 3 at a time please...
Was his body preserved in ice?
Was he found buried?
Did he live in Italy?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is it a religious building?
Is his body an exhibit?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Oh shoot... thought I had figured it out... guess not. :~(
EDIT: I'll ask anyway...
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
I'm still here to reply in semi-real-time for now...
(Wouldn't really have fit the "body not preserved so as not to decay" answer, Cbsg.)
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
This kind of instant feedback is priceless and fun! Keep the questions coming!
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 10/04/2017 18:03:37
YES
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Surprising! Hmm... someone who worked somewhere that was a museum even in pre-modern times, killed by someone somewhere else (but not because of his job), buried, found but not identified, brought back to the museum and put on exhibit because of how he was killed...
Was the killing a crime?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work (apart from it being a museum in the general area)?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Sorry, rephrased as yes/no question.
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he executed?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Off to bed in about 10 minutes, and then we go back the normal turnaround time for rounds...
Been a rush though to do a bunch of rounds in real time...
For 10 minutes though... we still can...
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is the body medieval?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times?
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times?
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
G'night all... looking forward to further questions when I wake up...
wow, let me summarize. A museum employee (a human man) who worked at a museum that is over 500 years old is killed in a war, buried in a mass grave, and recovered from the mass grave and put on display in that same museum.
not sure i know of anyone that worked in a museum over 500 years ago and can't think of very many museums that have been around for over 500 years.
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
For a while I thought you might be after one of the Swiss guards who died defending the Tuileries Palace (a now-destroyed wing of the Louvre) during the French Revolution, but I don't know that any of their skeletons are interred (much less on exhibit) there, and anyway it doesn't fit with a number of other clues.
I'm not quite sure what we're supposed to puzzle out at this point. Are you looking for a specific museum? A specific war? His specific job? A particular reason why his skeleton is on display? I don't see how it can be a true story, because if he hasn't been identified there's no way to know that the skeleton once worked in the museum, is there?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Quote from: Snarky on Mon 10/04/2017 22:02:38
I'm not quite sure what we're supposed to puzzle out at this point.
The same thing we puzzle out every time, Snarky!
HOW TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!What the reasons are behind what seems a rather strange situation...
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Is it a museum of history?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
(Richard III is buried in Leicester Cathedral, not on display in a history museum.)
Is the museum located in Europe?
Do dead bodies make up a large proportion (say a majority) of the museum's exhibits?
Are the remains more than 1000 years old?
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 11/04/2017 12:12:18
(Richard III is buried in Leicester Cathedral, not on display in a history museum.)
D'oh yes of course...
Ok let's try to tie down the age of the corpse a bit more.
Are the remains more than 750 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,250 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,500 years old?
Plus he answered no to is this man a historical figure.
I want to know if this case made up or real? i know, yes or no questions, ok:
Is this a real case?
Quote from: dayowlron on Tue 11/04/2017 12:57:09
Plus he answered no to is this man a historical figure.
Yes okay point taken, I hadn't been paying enough attention! :P I got all enthusiastic about what I thought was a burst of inspiration, but sadly it was just a burst... :(
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?
Is the museum located in Europe?
Are the remains more than 1000 years old?
Are the remains more than 750 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,250 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,500 years old?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?
Do dead bodies make up a large proportion (say a majority) of the museum's exhibits?
Is this a real case?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is time travel involved?
Case #20 - A man is killed. After his body is found it is kept at his workplace permanently. What's going on?
YES
By body did you mean his body is still intact?
Are other bodies also stored in his workplace?
Is his workplace a building (and not something like "the whole world")?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Is the man human?
Is the body put on long-term display?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Does he die before modern times and is found and put on display in modern times?
Was he found buried?
Is the place he's kept some kind of museum?
Is his body an exhibit?
Was the building a museum when he worked there?
Was he killed by a person?
Is the body decayed to the point where no preservation is necessary (e.g. a skeleton)?
Is the body a skeleton?
Are the remains more than 500 years old?
Is it pure happenstance that he's exhibited in the museum where he used to work?
Is the place primarily a museum (i.e. it is not a secondary function)?
Was he killed in a war?
Was he recovered from a mass grave?
Is it a museum of history?
Is the museum located in Europe?
Are the remains more than 1000 years old?
Are the remains more than 750 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,250 years old?
Are the remains more than 1,500 years old?
Is time travel involved?
NO
Was he a construction worker?
Is his body buried?
Is cement involved in the case?
Did he work in the medical field?
Did he work in a university?
Was he a mummy?
Did he work in a cemetery?
Did he die in his workplace?
Is his body trapped in a wall?
Did he work on a pyramid?
Was he cremated?
Was taxidermy involved?
Would his body be stored there whether or not he was killed (in whatever way he is killed)?
Is his workplace a church?
Does this case take place in modern times? *
Was he buried at sea?
Is "his body" an oblique reference to a body of work?
Was he killed because of his job (or for not doing his job)?
Are (most of) the other bodies stored with him also people who worked there?
Sorry, I'm confused... is this a yes or a no: Does this case take place in modern times? *
Has this person been put in cryogenic stance?
Did he worked at a wax museum?
Is his body preserved so as not to decay?
Is his individual identity known after his body is found?
Was his body preserved in ice?
Did he live in Italy?
Is it a religious building?
Or is the building some kind of dynastic/family building (e.g. a palace or mansion)?
Was the man killed by an erupting volcano?
Was the killing a crime?
Was he executed?
Is the body medieval?
was the man a historical figure?
was the man famous in any way?
Is the museum built over the remains of a different type of building from the time during which the man died?
Is it a science museum?
Is it a museum of art?
Was he burned to death?
Was he burned after death?
Is the man King Richard III?
Do dead bodies make up a large proportion (say a majority) of the museum's exhibits?
Is this a real case?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
OK, so a guy works at a museum, somehow gets transported back in time, is killed in some long-ago war, and his remains are uncovered and brought back to the museum as a display.
Maybe he even digs up his own skeleton, or at least studies it in the museum? Maybe that's how he comes across whatever it is that sends him back in time in the first place?
(The story has some echoes of Lest Darkness Fall by L. Sprague de Camp.)
Was he originally a time traveler?
Are the remains older than 0 A.D.?
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 11/04/2017 14:38:08
OK, so a guy works at a museum, somehow gets transported back in time, is killed in some long-ago war, and his remains are uncovered and brought back to the museum as a display.
Maybe he even digs up his own skeleton, or at least studies it in the museum? Maybe that's how he comes across whatever it is that sends him back in time in the first place?
(The story has some echoes of Lest Darkness Fall by L. Sprague de Camp.)
Indeed.
Solution:
The man was so in love with the past that he became an archivist at a museum. But this did not feed his obsession with the past enough, so he worked for many years to invent a time machine so he could go back and see it for himself. He travelled back in time over 50,000 years to prehistoric Europe but, unfortunately for him, he appeared right in the middle of a tribal war and was killed before he could escape.
His skeleton was excavated in modern times and was noteworthy enough for its seemingly advanced evolution compared to the many other skeletons dug up at the site that it was put on display at the museum the man worked at (and we can only assume that this man had perfect teeth so had never needed any dental work, nor had badly broken any bones and hadn't needed a metal bolt or plate inserted).
And, yes, the man did indeed work on the skeleton, preparing it for display, and then walking by it every day at work, never suspecting that it was his own.(I've never read that story though and this case was my original idea, although I did think later that it does bear a resemblance to a sub-plot in the book/movie "Timeline"...)
I declare Snarky head "time-cop", and hand the next case over to him...
Anyone else want a go? I feel like I've taken a lot of turns.
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 11/04/2017 16:19:51
Anyone else want a go? I feel like I've taken a lot of turns.
As have I, but I mentioned that I had thought up two cases and, as nobody else has jumped in, I'll just hog the next round:
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on? YESNO* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
D'oh... was he driving when he made the call?
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone?
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is he deaf?
Is he dump?
Is he in prison?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Quote from: Mandle on Thu 13/04/2017 09:05:27
NO
[...]
Was there a theft?
[...]
Just to clarify this point: Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Or, someone picked up but didn't say anything?
Was he calling someone he knew?
A friend? Family member?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime? (roll)
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly?*
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
* Man, it's hard to express that idea concisely in English! In Norwegian it's a single word: vinningskriminalitet ("crime for gain")
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go?
Are fingerprints evidence?
Is the call record evidence?
Did he call from his home phone?
I can probably answer a couple of those. he said it wasnt a violent crime so not likely a murder. he also says its not a theft not a blackmail. and he answered yes to call made from his own phone but not sure if it would mean office or home.
Anyways, my question is: you answered yes and no to was the call a signal to someone.
Was the signal received by the other person?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
I'll just quickly explain something here:
"Is the call record evidence?" appears in the YES list because the call record is something that would probably be used eventually in the trial against the man, but it's a trivial point in solving the case.
"The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence?" appears in the NO list because it is not specifically the thing that incrimidated the man. At the time of the question I took it as an attempt to narrow down an earlier question from Snarky that proposed several possibilities.
Semantics issues... but not really important in solving the case.
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Okay, the list is getting very long so I'm going to start doing micro-updates and then update the full list now and then instead of every time:
YES
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
NO
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Soo... is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
YES
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
NO
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Tabata, Cassie, and CaptainD have just filled in a lot of the blanks, but there is still much to discover about this case.
But well done on the massive progress just made!
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?
YES
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?
NO
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
During the committing of the crime he got his phone switched with the victims, then when he lost his cell he tried to call it and police found it at the scene of the crime?
Quote from: dayowlron on Fri 14/04/2017 12:56:44
During the committing of the crime he got his phone switched with the victims, then when he lost his cell he tried to call it and police found it at the scene of the crime?
(wrong)
And even if some parts might be right, you need to state as individual questions... Later on I might show green and red portions of attempted solutions if it's just tracking down minor details. But for now the real meat of the case still hasn't been carved...
Was his phone found at the scene of a police raid/drug bust?
Was he a member of an illegal organization?
Did he get his phone switched with the victims?
Is this a victimless crime? (examples: prostitution, drug use, gambling)
Was the crime a robbery?
Are there important informations on that mobile?
Since he isn't a blackmailer - is it him who has been blackmailed?
Was he forced to act outside the law?
Was there a ransom involved?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Was his phone found at the scene of a police raid/drug bust?
Was he a member of an illegal organization?
Did he get his phone switched with the victims?
Is this a victimless crime? (examples: prostitution, drug use, gambling)
Was the crime a robbery?
Are there important informations on that mobile?
Since he isn't a blackmailer - is it him who has been blackmailed?
Was he forced to act outside the law?
Was there a ransom involved?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Was he stealing information?
NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
YES
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place? (That's a bit of a tongue-twister! (laugh))
YES
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place?
Were there more than one victim?
Was anyone physically hurt?
Did the man fail to pay for something?
YES
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
NO
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place?
Were there more than one victim?
Was anyone physically hurt?
Did the man fail to pay for something?
I'm really having a hard time trying to think of a crime that hasn't been ruled out. Unless it's something that has fallen through the cracks because of the wording of some questions...
Let me recap:
Not a violent crime (including murder) or hate crime, kidnapping, stalking or any kind of threat/blackmail/ransom. No one physically injured.
Not a theft, robbery, failure to pay (e.g. like a dine-and-dash), scam or fraud.
Not vandalism or a hit-and-run. (The phrasing of questions here leaves the possibility open for some other destruction of property)
Not a trade in illegal goods (including organs and human trafficking), or drug-related in any other way.
Not a "victimless crime" (e.g. prostitution, gambling). Nor espionage, information theft, conspiracy or membership in an illegal organization.
The crime was NOT premeditated. He had no accomplices. It happened indoors. The criminal did not know the victim. The (single) victim was present at the crime scene, but unaware (at the time) that they were the victim of a crime. Whether it was a crime to gain money (or something of value) illicitly is ambiguous.
OK, let's try this:
Was the crime an accident of some kind?
Did it involve the failure to carry out some mandatory responsibility (e.g. take care of a child)?
Is what he did a crime under current UK law?
Did the man realise he had committed a crime at the time?
Was the victim human?
Did the man cause damage to someone else's property?
Case #21 - A man makes a phone call. Nobody answers, but the man ends up facing criminal charges because of the call. What's going on?
YES
Is he guilty of what he's charged with?
Do the authorities use his fingerprints, call record, or some other clue produced by him making the call as evidence to tie him to some other crime?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
When you say "nobody answered", does this mean nobody picked up?
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Is the phone a normal landline telephone?
Does the man call from his own (home/office) phone?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Is the fact that he knew the phone number an incriminating thing about the call?
Had the crime taken place very recently before the call was made?
Would the crime have occurred even if he hadn't made the phone call?
Did he call from his home phone?
Was the signal received by the other person?
Is the call record evidence? **
Did he try to reach a mobile phone?
Did he try to reach his own mobile phone?
Did he lost his mobile at the scene of the crime?
is his own mobile, accidentally left at the scene of the crime, in itself the incriminating evidence?
Did the "cops" found his mobile because he ringed to it?
Was the victim present at the scene of the crime (where the phone was found)?
Was the crime an accident of some kind?
Did it involve the failure to carry out some mandatory responsibility (e.g. take care of a child)?
Is what he did a crime under current UK law? (Under extreme circumstances usually, but these are such...)
Was the victim human?
NO
Is he a blackmailer?
Does he do criminal calls?
Is it a case with something fictional involved (i.e. something is getting spaghettified or beamed through time)?
Does the phone call trigger a bomb?
was he driving when he made the call?
Is making the phone call part of the crime he's being charged with?
Is he stalking someone?
Is he calling on someone else's bill?
Did he rob the phone(s)?
Was he calling for a driver?
Was there a theft?
Does he make a phone call from the scene of the crime?
Does he make a phone call near the scene of the crime?
Was the phone call made using a mobile phone?
Was the phone ringing in itself a signal to someone? *
Is the crime (or one of the crimes) he's charged with a murder?
Did he have any accomplices for the crime?
Did he call (or pretend to call) the victim of the crime? *
The the police / authorities use the call record (specifically) as incriminating evidence? **
Was he caught in a sting?
Is he charged with espionage?
Is he charged with conspiracy?
Is hypnosis involved? (i.e. did the phone call trigger someone that was hypnotized to commit a crime?)
Was the phone call to 911?
Did the phone call trigger the crime in some other way?
Was the phone call used to establish (or disprove) an alibi?
Did the man know that nobody would answer when he called?
Is he deaf?
Is he dumb? (meaning "Is he a mute?", I'm assuming.)
Is he in prison?
Is he calling someone back?
Are his fingerprints on the phone used to incriminate him?
Is he a kidnapper?
Does he want to find out whether his victim is at the place where he calls?
Does he try to call his lawyer?
Does he try to call an ambulance?
Was a theft planned? (As in, not completed?)
Was he calling someone he knew? Family member? *
Was he calling someone he knew? A friend?
Did he ring from the phone at the scene of the crime?
Does he call from a pay phone?
Does the call go to an answering machine/voice mail/automated phone tree or similar?
Does the call transmit information over fax, modem, or something like that?
Is it a violent crime?
Is the crime an attempt to obtain money (or something of monetary value) illicitly? *
Was somebody supposed to answer when he called?
Did the number of rings (as in how many times the phone rang before he hang out) meant something?
Is he accused of murder(ing his wife)?
Does he try to proove that she is alive with that call?
Are the calls planned the way they go? (Taken as: Did the calls go the way they were planned?)
Are fingerprints evidence?
Was the call a warning about something?
Is the crime a scam of some kind?
Is it a crime involving an illegal trade (e.g. drugs, organs, endangered species, human trafficking...)?
Did he try to prevent a crime?
Does he need the mobile phone he tried to call because it has a recording to proove he is not guilty of what he is accused?
Did he had a partner in crime?
Did he left his mobile with his partner in crime?
Was his phone found at the scene of a police raid/drug bust?
Was he a member of an illegal organization?
Did he get his phone switched with the victims?
Is this a victimless crime? (examples: prostitution, drug use, gambling)
Was the crime a robbery?
Are there important informations on that mobile?
Since he isn't a blackmailer - is it him who has been blackmailed?
Was he forced to act outside the law?
Was there a ransom involved?
Was he stealing information?
Was the crime premeditated?
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Was the crime vandalizing? (like property destruction?)
Was the crime a hate crime?
Did he "hit and run" someone? (has in driving a car and accidentally hit someone)
Had the man committed fraud?
Did the crime take place outside?
Did the victim of the crime realise that they were the victim of a crime at the time that the crime took place?
Were there more than one victim?
Was anyone physically hurt?
Did the man fail to pay for something?
Did the man realise he had committed a crime at the time?
Did the man cause damage to someone else's property?
* These questions are on both lists meaning the answer to them is: "Yes and No"
** Sorry for confusing replies. They were a product of the context at the time of answering. Trivial in solving the case though.
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
YES
NO
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Was a child/pet involved?
Nighthawk:
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 17/04/2017 16:09:35
NO
Did he know the victim of the crime personally?
Maybe rephrase to "a" child/pet.
COULD the crime have led to someone being hurt?
Was the man intoxicated?
Was the crime arson?
Was there any destruction of property?
so many questions I dont know if either of those have been asked.
Sorry, if something of this already has been asked, but scrolling back until I find a complete list to check (and translate some of the stated aspects) isn't that easy for me right now - also I lack of new ideas about what crime he might be guilty from. :-[
Had the man committed fraud?
Has he mediated babies (illegal)?
He was trading organs?
YES
COULD the crime have led to someone being hurt?
Was the man intoxicated?
NO
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Was a child/pet involved?
Has he mediated babies (illegal)?
I've only answered the ones that haven't been asked before.
What does "mediated babies" mean?
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 18/04/2017 00:30:32
What does "mediated babies" mean?
I'm assuming it means abortion. But as there are no babies involved I put safely in the no list.
Also: I wouldn't make up a riddle that involved abortion. That's just no-go territory!
Did the phone call trigger an explosion?
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 18/04/2017 00:30:32
What does "mediated babies" mean?
I fear that 'my friend' Google (translate) fooled me wit this. :-[
I tried to ask if he sells them (to those who can't adopt)
It's a long list, I hope I don't repeat anything.
Was the crime an act of negligence?
Was the victim someone elderly?
Or someone with some kind of disability? (Mental? Physical?)
Did the crime happen at his place of work?
Does he work in a care home for the elderly or disabled?
Was the man working when he caused the accident?
Did the outcome of what he did only become apparent later? (E.g. an electrician wiring up something incorrectly so that a day later someone gets electrocuted)
Did the victim become aware of the crime before police got involved?
YES
COULD the crime have led to someone being hurt?
Was the man intoxicated?
Was the crime an act of negligence?
Was the victim someone with some kind of disability? (Mental? Physical?)
Did the crime happen at his place of work?
Was the man working when he caused the accident?
Did the outcome of what he did only become apparent later? (E.g. an electrician wiring up something incorrectly so that a day later someone gets electrocuted)
Did the victim become aware of the crime before police got involved?
NO
Is he a world leader?
Did he commit a war crime?
Did he illegally order someone else to do something?
Was a child/pet involved?
Has he mediated babies (illegal)?
Did the phone call trigger an explosion?
Was the victim someone elderly?
Does he work in a care home for the elderly or disabled?
Did he work with medical equipment?
Was he a health care worker? (Nurse? Doctor? Caregiver?)
Did the crime happen at the home of the victim?
Was he a surgeon who drunkenly left his cell phone inside a patient?
Edit: Wait, I'm not sure that fits the "no one was actually hurt" clue...
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 18/04/2017 13:05:24
Was he a surgeon who drunkenly left his cell phone inside a patient?
Edit: Wait, I'm not sure that fits the "no one was actually hurt" clue...
As the rest of the clues leading to the full solution have already been exposed, and as I'm quite sure they led Snarky to his conclusion:
I'd say that qualifies as a
WIN!!! SOLUTION
The man was a surgeon with a drinking problem. He performed a surgery, while drunk, to implant a pacemaker in a patient but failed to remove his smart-watch before the operation. During the operation the watch came loose and fell into the patient's open chest cavity and quickly became lost amongst organs and blood.
Upon returning home the surgeon noticed the watch missing and wondered where he'd lost it so he called it from his home phone in the hope that either it would ring somewhere nearby in his home, or that somebody had found it and would answer.
Instead the watch rang inside the patient's body. Greatly disturbed to hear a ring-tone coming from inside his chest, the patient called an orderly and, an X-ray later, the missing smart-watch was located inside his chest and removed by a different surgeon.
As this wasn't the original surgeon's first slip-up and also as a celluar device so close to a pacemaker could have caused it to go haywire and kill the patient, the surgeon was charged with criminal negligence.(As the smart-watch hadn't yet caused the patient any injury, the "noone was hurt" answer is accurate I believe)
Snarky, I knew you were onto the right answer when you started to get almost every question in the YES list from a few updates ago...
I had a lot of fun this round. I hope others had some too...
OVER TO YOU, "MEI-TANTEI SNARKY"!
Oh, and when I invented this case, I actually looked up the legal ramifications if a surgeon is grossly negligent. And yes, if the slip-up is serious enough to have been potentially life-threatening to the patient, then the doctor can be criminally charged, especially if it's not his or her first such mistake, and especially if drugs or alcohol can be proved to have been a factor.
I also researched a bit if it was possible for something as large as a smart-watch to go unnoticed in a patient's body during a surgery and found that even larger objects have been lost during operations and sewn up inside, sometimes with the patient carrying them inside their body for the rest of their lives and only being discovered much later upon their death, usually from unrelated causes. It seems that once something gets all covered in blood and slips into gaps between organs it is very difficult to visually recognize it as a foreign object.
Oh phew! ;-D
Ha ha ha! Nice story, Mandle, but man that was HARD!
Yeah, I eventually started to get some sense of what kind of crime it was - basically by eliminating all other alternatives - but I couldn't square it with the idea that the cell phone (or, as it turned out, smart watch) was used to identify the culprit, because it seemed to me like if someone made a professional mistake while drunk it would usually be very easy to tie it to them. It was only Sinitrena's last bunch of questions that suggested a doctor and gave me the prompt I needed.
So credit goes to you, Sinitrena, and if you want to take the next round you are welcome to it. Otherwise I'll try to think up something...
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 18/04/2017 13:52:16
Oh phew! ;-D
Ha ha ha! Nice story, Mandle, but man that was HARD!
Yeah, through the questioning process I started to realize how hard this riddle was, and I kept reflecting on if it was unfairly hard, but I kept thinking that as long as everyone keeps following the course of narrowing down the crime, and also finding out more about the man's job, it should become clear.
I almost gave a prod to perhaps ask about the man's profession, but I resisted, wanting to keep the process pure, and now I'm glad I did.
Wow, what a riddle!
Even though you consider it solved, Mandle, there's still a whole lot we hadn't discovered. Phew. 8-0
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 18/04/2017 13:52:16
So credit goes to you, Sinitrena, and if you want to take the next round you are welcome to it. Otherwise I'll try to think up something...
You take it, I can't think of anything right now.
Quote from: Sinitrena on Tue 18/04/2017 14:09:15
Wow, what a riddle!
Even though you consider it solved, Mandle, there's still a whole lot we hadn't discovered. Phew. 8-0
Actually everything
was discovered if you sort through the HUGE pile of YES and NO replies...And also the posts where you guys summed up the case so far...
The small details are just really flavour added to the background story, but everything important to the case was asked and answered...
OK, I've thought up another one. Might be a bit easier than some of the others.
Case 22
A car is found abandoned in the forest. Nearby, police discover the owners, a husband and wife, buried. The woman has been shot, the man hit over the head with a blunt object.
It's up to you to solve the case!
Yes
...
No
...
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Were they buried underground(i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Was a car crash involved?
Prototype solution: They were driving in their car through a snowy countryside when a hunter's stray bullet hit the wife (or the husband shot her (by accident maybe)), who was driving. The car veered off the road and hit something, causing them to both crash through the windscreen (husband first, and head-first) and they ended up "buried" in a snowbank...
It is kind of obvious that there must be a third person involved and it was in the forest. SO:
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Some of the answers are a little tricky to decide... Since I think the case is pretty easy, I'll choose the more difficult answers. (laugh)
Case 22
A car is found abandoned in the forest. Nearby, police discover the owners, a husband and wife, buried. The woman has been shot, the man hit over the head with a blunt object.
It's up to you to solve the case!
Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died?
Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died? [sure, why not?]
No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Did he kill her?
Di she kill him?
Did they bury themselves?
Was the husband's death an accident?
Was a person involved in the death of the husband?
Or did "nature" kill the husband? (e.g. a landslide?)
Was the car in working condition?
Is there a street (or at least a path) leading to where the car was found?
When they were found, had they died recently? (let's say, less then a month ago?)
Were they buried equally deep?
Were they buried by a third person?
Were they buried by the same person?
I'd say to limit the number of questions for the round, but I think you're about to solve it anyway...
Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died? [sure, why not?]
Did he kill her?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was the husband's death an accident?
Did "nature" kill the husband? (e.g. a landslide?)
Is there a street (or at least a path) leading to where the car was found?
No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Did she kill him?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was a person involved in the death of the husband?
Was the car in working condition?
When they were found, had they died recently? (let's say, less then a month ago?)
Were they buried equally deep?
Were they buried by a third person?
Were they buried by the same person?
Did the husband bury the wife?
Did the husband murder the wife somewhere else?
Then he put her body in the car to bury it in the forest?
Was the blunt object a rock?
did the husband dig a grave for the wife?
did the husband fall into the grave?
Quote from: Sinitrena on Wed 19/04/2017 18:53:08
Did the husband bury the wife?
Did the husband murder the wife somewhere else?
Then he put her body in the car to bury it in the forest?
(nod) (nod) (nod)
Quote from: dayowlron on Wed 19/04/2017 19:36:52
Was the blunt object a rock?
did the husband dig a grave for the wife?
did the husband fall into the grave?
(nod) (nod) (nod)
Sooo... ?
Did someone see the husband bury his wife?
Was a third party aware that his wife was shot?
Sooo...
The husband murdered his wife and wanted to dig a grave for her. He drove to the forest and started digging. He put the wife into the grave, then fell himself, while she was already halfway buried. He hurt his head on a rock (that either lay on the ground or fell from the wall of the grave) and the loose earth of the grave fell on him, burying him with his wife.
Anything missing?
Yes, that's very close, but not quite what I had in mind regarding the man's death. One of the answers so far has a major clue.
Let's do a proper update with some clarifications:
Yes
Did the husband shoot his wife?
Were they buried underground (i.e: not in a snowdrift or similar)
Did the husband shoot his wife more than a day before he himself died? [sure, why not?]
Did he kill her?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was the husband's death an accident?
Did "nature" kill the husband? (e.g. a landslide?)
Is there a street (or at least a path) leading to where the car was found?
Did the husband bury the wife?
Did the husband murder the wife somewhere else?
Then he put her body in the car to bury it in the forest? [99% accurate]
Was the blunt object a rock?
Did the husband dig a grave for the wife?
Did the husband fall into the grave? [this depends slightly on your definition]
No
Did the wife hit her husband over the head with a blunt object?
Was the gun from which the bullet was fired at the woman found near the crime scene?
Were both the husband and the wife killed by the same person?
Was a car crash involved?
Was there any tracks from a third person found?
Was there any tracks from a second vehicle?
Was the blunt object a tree?
Did the husband shoot his wife accidentally?
Was the man hit over the head with the gun?
Was the man hit over the head with a shovel?
Did she kill him?
Did they bury themselves?*
Was a person involved in the death of the husband?
Was the car in working condition?
When they were found, had they died recently? (let's say, less then a month ago?)
Were they buried equally deep?
Were they buried by a third person?
Were they buried by the same person?
Did someone see the husband bury his wife?
Was a third party aware that his wife was shot?
Is the missing piece that there was a landslide and a rock/boulder hit the man on the head and knock him into the grave then other rocks covered them both?
Was she shot but still alive while he was digging the grave?
Quote from: dayowlron on Wed 19/04/2017 22:19:24
Is the missing piece that there was a landslide and a rock/boulder hit the man on the head and knock him into the grave then other rocks covered them both?
Yup, that's it!
A man shot his wife. In order to get away with it, he thought to bury her where she would never be found. He drove her body to a remote location, where a forest edged onto the bottom of a scree or unstable cliffy hill. He planned to bury her near the bottom of the slope, just downhill of some firmly planted rocks, then trigger a landslide that would cover her grave under several feet of rocks and dirt. However, he accidentally set off a slide while he was still in the avalanche zone, got hit in the head by a rock and buried underneath the mass. By the time their car was found, months later, the ground had settled and both their bodies were quite buried.Well done dayowlron and Sinitrena for making short work of the mystery!
Cool, I will let Sinitrena have this one if she wants it. I have done a couple of cases and right now dont have a case in mind, however if she doesnt want to I will come up with something on the fly.
I'll take this one.
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
was it cut open by a knife?
was it an accident?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?
is he real? (not a fantasy being)
is he inorganic?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
*These questions are both yes and no.
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Is he a stuffed animal?
EDIT: did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
So:
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course! (That technically wasn't a question, but, oh, whatever...)
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries? (Do you slit stuffed animals open to replace batteries? That seems kind of brutal. 8-0)
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
*These questions are both yes and no.
Quote from: Sinitrena on Thu 20/04/2017 19:13:54
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries? (Do you slit stuffed animals open to replace batteries? That seems kind of brutal. 8-0)
Technically I have seen some teddy bears where they open up around the stomach area to replace batteries but they have velcro to put them back so guess that one fails on cut open by a knife, but someone could cut it open with a knife.
Anyways,
what we know so far: a teddy bear cut open by a knife on purpose at the stomach region is laying on a bed and not cut open by the owner, was not used for smuggling. so why would a stranger cut open a teddy bear he did not own...
My questions:
Was the "bed" located in a store?
did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Don't know the english term (and don't trust Google anymore) but you might call those peoples profession a puppet doctor or teddy doctor. They are repairing worthy teddies/puppets and it seems to be the case here. So: Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Was the crime that the teddy was stolen?
Was the crime to destroy/cut the teddy?
Was the object inside the teddy bear information / something that contained information?
Was the teddy cut open by the police?
Had the owner hidden a stolen object inside the bear?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
Had the owner hidden a stolen object inside the bear?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Was the crime that the teddy was stolen?
Was the crime to destroy/cut the teddy? (Destroying the teddy is certainly a crime - poor bear - but not the one referred to earlier and not the important one.)
Was the object inside the teddy bear information / something that contained information?
Was the teddy cut open by the police?
Were the person who cut open the bear and the person who hid the stolen object inside the bear partners in crime?
Is this whole case some kind of family squabble between two siblings?
Did a sibling steal something from the other sibling, hide it inside their teddy bear, and then the other sibling cut the bear open and took it back?
Did someone steal something of value but couldnt get it out of the store so they hid it in a teddy bear then later came back and purchased the bear?
Case 23
He lies on the bed. His stomach was slit open. What happened?
Yes
Was it cut open by a knife?
Is the "bed" an actual bed( i.e: Not a bed of flowers/bed of salad/etc)?
Is he an animal?*
Is he real? (not a fantasy being)
Is he inorganic?
Is he a stuffed animal?
AH! A teddy bear! Of course!
Did the teddy bear lose a lot of stuffing?
Was the bed owned by the owner of the bear?
Was the bear used to hold something of value?
Is any kind of crime involved?
Did someone search for something inside the teddy?
Had the owner hidden a stolen object inside the bear?
Were the person who cut open the bear and the person who hid the stolen object inside the bear partners in crime?
No
Does it have anything to do with aliens?
Did an alien come out of his stomach?
Is he being operated on?
Did someone kill him then slice his stomach open to retrieve something the man swallowed?
Was it an accident?
Is "he" a human?
Is he alive?
Was "he" always a he?
Was he, by virtue of being biologically a woman / by some kind of scientific experiment, pregnant?
Is he about to be eaten by someone/something?
Was he ever alive?
Is he an animal?*
Is he a statue?
Is he a statue of an animal?
Does this have anything to do with Little Red Riding Hood?
Did they have to open him up to replace the batteries?
Was it used to smuggle something?
Was he cut open by it's owner?
Was the owner a child?
Was the child in a fit of anger?
Was the "bed" located in a store?
Is it a surgery of a teddy in a special 'teddy-hospital'?
Was the bear manufactured with the slit already in the stomach?
Is it a Care Bear?
Is it a special bear you give to a child who is in hospital for an operation?
Was the person who cut open the bear the same person as the person who hid the valuable object inside the bear?
Does this teddybear (usually) hide something in a secret pouch?
Is it a talking teddy?
Was the crime that the teddy was stolen?
Was the crime to destroy/cut the teddy? (Destroying the teddy is certainly a crime - poor bear - but not the one referred to earlier and not the important one.)
Was the object inside the teddy bear information / something that contained information?
Was the teddy cut open by the police?
Is this whole case some kind of family squabble between two siblings?
Did a sibling steal something from the other sibling, hide it inside their teddy bear, and then the other sibling cut the bear open and took it back?
Did someone steal something of value but couldnt get it out of the store so they hid it in a teddy bear then later came back and purchased the bear?
So.. someone hid a valuable object (a diamant maybe?) inside a teddy bear, gave the Teddy to a kid (his son maybe?) send the kid with the teddy travelling to another country (maybe as UN-acompanied minor), his partner in crime (the mother maybe?) then takes the teddy rips it apart and retries the diamant... (laugh)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Fri 21/04/2017 22:35:36
So.. someone hid a valuable object (a diamant maybe?) inside a teddy bear, gave the Teddy to a kid (his son maybe?) send the kid with the teddy travelling to another country (maybe as UN-acompanied minor), his partner in crime (the mother maybe?) then takes the teddy rips it apart and retries the diamant... (laugh)
This is already is the NO list:
Was it used to smuggle something?
So, unless this answer is wrong/misleading, I guess the teddy bear was only used as a hiding place/drop-point for some stolen goods to be stored/hidden until the partner in crime could come by and pick it up, and not to sneak the stolen goods past someone else.
So:
Was the teddy bear used as a hiding place/drop-point for some stolen goods to be stored/hidden until the partner in crime could come by and pick it up?
Were the goods hidden inside the bear for longer than a year?
Were the goods hidden inside the bear for longer than 10 years?
Hmmm - so we have a thief who owns a teddy that hides his stolen goods. The teddy is placed in the thiefs bed when it was cut open from from another partie.
If so there must have been someone illegally in the thiefs bedroom to search for the stolen goods. :-\
Was the intruder the owner of the stolen goods?
Did his partner in crime cut the teddy?
Was it an insurance fraud?
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 22/04/2017 08:57:53
Hmmm - so we have a thief who owns a teddy that hides his stolen goods. The teddy is placed in the thiefs bed when it was cut open from from another partie.
If so there must have been someone illegally in the thiefs bedroom to search for the stolen goods. :-\
I consider this the correct solution. For a while, the only element you all where missing was, that the person who cut open the teddy was not allowed to do so in any way or form. It wasn't the police or an original owner, and the teddy was not used as a drop-off point. You actualy already knew that the owner of the bear and the one who cut him open were partners in crime.
So, the story as I originally thought it up:
Two thieves steal a bunch of diamonds. They devide the loot, and each hides his share. Then something happens to one of the thieves and the other decides to double his share by stealing it from his accomplice. He breaks into the home and finds the diamands in the teddy after a long search, brutally slashes him open, takes the diamonds and discards the teddy on the bed where he originally found him.
I am not sure if my connection will stay stable but we got a visit from a technician yesterday afternoon
(he said that connections will only work as of tomorrow) but it already does (roll)
So maybe I should simply risk it for a short and easy case (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140725/z3sjsu2i.gif)
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/m8a2nksi.gif)... and afterwards - if all goes well - I will be able to present the first case I created on my own. (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140802/inu9umsy.gif)
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CASE # 24:Mary doesn't live anymore. She died as she was about to eat. A metal rod lies on her body.
What happened? (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Was Mary a bug?
Is Mary a mouse?
CASE # 24:
Mary doesn't live anymore. She died as she was about to eat. A metal rod lies on her body.
What happened?
Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Is Mary a mouse?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was Mary a bug?
Ha, ha, ha â€" seems to become not only a short, but supershort crime solving. (laugh)
Hehe I think this has been answered already, but:
Mary was a mouse who tried to eat the bait from a mousetrap, which snapped shut and killed her... It's sad though: considering she had a name I'm guessing she was a pet mouse that got trapped by accident :(
(nod) Mary is a mouse in a mousetrap.(nod)
You really solved that case on the fly.
On to the next case.
Quote from: Tabata on Sun 23/04/2017 06:44:10
(nod) Mary is a mouse in a mousetrap.(nod)
Tabata....h-h-how...h-how...
how could you?!Nighthawk deserves the credit for solving this one...
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 23/04/2017 08:42:57
Quote from: Tabata on Sun 23/04/2017 06:44:10
(nod) Mary is a mouse in a mousetrap.(nod)
Tabata....h-h-how...h-how...how could you?!
Simply to declare it a crime! :wink:
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Mice are nice! (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140113/wq27ysog.gif) (http://fav.me/d6vbco2)
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.
Yes
No
Were they normal bullets?
Were they paint balls?
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.
Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.
Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Did the police fire the shots?
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.
Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Did the police fire the shots?
No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Was the smoke from a smoke bomb?
Did the police have to shoot them?
Did all shot people die?
Did the dead people commit a crime before they were shot?
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.
Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Did the police fire the shots?
Was the smoke from a smoke bomb?(Flash Bangs)
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did all shot people die?
No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did the dead people commit a crime before they were shot?
Was the police trying to rescue hostages?
Case #25
After the smoke clears several bodies are found to have been shot multiple times.
Yes
Were they normal bullets? (probably hollow-point)
Was any of the bodies dead?
Were the bodies human?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Were the bodies shot by a gun?
Were the bodies found by the police?
Did the police fire the shots?
Was the smoke from a smoke bomb?(Flash Bangs)
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did all shot people die?
Was the police trying to rescue hostages?
No
Were they paint balls?
Was there a mass murder?
Was there an execution?
Were the people gathered together before they were shot?*
Did the smoke come from the device used to shoot the bodies?*
Did this happen on Valentine's Day?
Did it happen in a shooting gallery?
Did the shooting take place during a war?
Was it an act of terrorism?
Did the police have to shoot them?*
Did the dead people commit a crime before they were shot?
It looks like the case might be solved then, but just awaiting a sum-up?
The police raided a hostage situation using flashbang/smoke grenades but in the ensuing gunfight (some of) the hostages ended up getting killed along with the hostage takers?
It's on the right track but not quite there yet.
Did the hostage takers change clothes/disguises with the hostages?
Did the police think they were shooting the hostage takers?
Is this a scene from a movie?
You got it.
Solution
A group of thieves took hostages while robbing a bank but the police get there before they can get away so they disguise a few hostages as robbers and duct tape weapons onto their hands. The robbers tell the police negotiator they are releasing some hostages and walk out among them while the fake robbers get shot in the swat raid.
Quote from: NightHawk on Mon 24/04/2017 08:48:44
You got it.
Solution
A group of thieves took hostages while robbing a bank but the police get there before they can get away so they disguise a few hostages as robbers and duct tape weapons onto their hands. The robbers tell the police negotiator they are releasing some hostages and walk out among them while the fake robbers get shot in the swat raid.
Yay! What movie was that from again?
I'll try to think up another case!
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?
Yes
No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Are we talking about a baseball game? (This may be obvious, but I just want to make sure)
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
We are talking about humans, right?
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
are the homerun and the death related?
did the homerun cause the death?
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
Was the deceased one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
are the homerun and the death related?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
did the homerun cause the death? (I'm assuming you're asking if it was the direct cause)
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Did the ball hit something that caused the death of the employee?
Did the homerun cause an emotion of the employee that caused his death (e.g. a jump scare or a crazy happy dance that caused an event that caused ... ... that caused the death)?
Did the employee get an electric shock?
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
are the homerun and the death related?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
Did the employee get an electric shock?
No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
did the homerun cause the death? (I'm assuming you're asking if it was the direct cause)
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Did the ball hit something that caused the death of the employee?
Did the homerun cause an emotion of the employee that caused his death?
Was the employee a technician?
Was the employee a mascot?
Was the employee a belly shopdealer?
Case #26
The batter hit a home run and a man died. What happened?
Yes
Are we talking about a baseball game?
We are talking about humans, right?
are the homerun and the death related?
Was the deceased an employee in the stadium?
Did the employee get an electric shock?
Was the employee a technician?
No
Was the man hit by the ball?
Was the man outside the stadium?
Was it the batsman who died?
Did he die from a heart attack?
Was it the Catcher who died?
Did the bat strike something in addition to the ball?
Did the ball strike something that lead to a person dying?
did the homerun cause the death? (I'm assuming you're asking if it was the direct cause)
Was the dead person hit by the bat?
Was the deceased a spectator?
Was the deceased one of the other players?
Did a spectator reach for the ball and fall out of the stands?
did one of the players trying to catch the ball run into the fence and die?
Did the ball hit something that caused the death of the employee?
Did the homerun cause an emotion of the employee that caused his death?
Was the employee a mascot?
Was the employee a belly shopdealer?
was there a short in the scoreboard?
Did he die when the scoreboard was used during he did repairs?
Did he die when repairing a defective speaker when the announcer screams trough it?
Did he die when repairing a defective cable when a spectator dropped his drink?
Quote from: Tabata on Tue 25/04/2017 00:34:12
Did he die when the scoreboard was used during he did repairs?
We have a winner!
Solution
A careless electrician was repairing some faulty wiring on the big "HOME RUN" sign on the scoreboard when it was suddenly turned on due to the homer just hit during the game.
He was electrocuted and died.Over to you Tabata, or dayowlron, who provided a vital hint, if Tabata is unable...
FUN FACT: While doing a bit of research concerning electrocution and heart attacks I discovered that electrocution can cause a heart attack but after the person has already survived the initial shock. The real cause of death from massive electrocution is the damage done to the body's organs and/or nervous system.
But the "fun fact" is that I also found that the term "electrocution" originally comes from combining "electricity" and "execution" as in death penalty via electric chair. As no other term existed for accidental death by electric shock this word became a blanket term for any death by electrical current.
Yay â€" My connection is still working so I hope it will last. 8-)
So now here's the one I made myself. Hope it works. (roll)
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened? (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/ejiumxn8.gif) Keep it coming!
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
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Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Quote from: Mandle on Tue 25/04/2017 06:35:51
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
(wrong) (wrong) (wrong)
Just for you all to go on thinking - Will add it later to the list - I'm at work right now. :kiss:
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
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Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was she a human?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
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Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
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I think the clue to solving this one is figuring out what kind of alarm bell we have here.
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm outside?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference?
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The alarm came from a fireworks factory that was burning, then she saw the fireworks explode and was happy but better off to run away ;-D
Is she a character in a story?
Could this take place in the real world?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Quote from: selmiak on Tue 25/04/2017 23:10:00
The alarm came from a fireworks factory that was burning, then she saw the fireworks explode and was happy but better off to run away ;-D
no, no - (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140717/n3h6s73d.gif)
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
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Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Been a while since an update so I'm gonna ask 3 more questions if that's cool:
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the "home invader" was actually a loved-one?
I am pretty sure the answer to those last 3 will be no cause she answered no to "Was the bell in a home?" and "Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?" and "Is the alarm bell automated?"
My question:
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the "home invader" was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
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Did she believe in angels?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she had been a bad girl but when she heard the bells ran away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep (or other animal) and found it?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Spoiler
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the "home invader" was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it?
irrelevant (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Did she believe in angels?
btw.
After giving those two questions:
QuoteDid the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
... a 'Yes' I feel the need to inform you that both of them - taken by the word - needed to be sorted into the 'No'-list because they aren't precise enough.
So just not to make it even harder to solve the case I placed it where it is.
You are thinking the correct direction with these and some of the latest questions from the 'No'-list. :wink:
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Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Pe-information (since I am not at home)
all 3 = no
(You changed the two questions - add something to the original versions instead ;) )
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
I beg to disagree that believing in angels is irrelevant... :P Never heard of the "every time a bell rings an angel gets it's wings?" saying? (wtf) So, I'll guess it's a no on that one. (laugh)
Was the bell attached to a gate?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Spoiler
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the “home invader“ was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?*
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?*
Was the bell attached to a gate?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Did she believe in angels?
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*nearly the same prob than before, sorry
It is missing an attribute to make it a helpful (and for this case meaningful) questions, but of course you are unable to know that without some more of the background information and I can't help more on this since it would give it all away.
At a specific point of solving the case you will understand my big problem with those but for now it might be easier to concentrate on other unrevealed facts to get in from the other side.
There are several ways you investigators will stumble over some heavy clues.
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Thu 27/04/2017 17:23:33
I beg to disagree that believing in angels is irrelevant... :P Never heard of the "every time a bell rings an angel gets it's wings?" saying? (wtf) So, I'll guess it's a no on that one. (laugh)
You don't know how much I agree with you on the first part, buuut ... if I placed that to yes or no it whould kill the case totally :shocked:
You will understand it soon … ;)
Stuck? No clue what direction to go? If you want a hint:
Spoiler
Find out about that little bell is the main aspect - as already stated correct - but it's also the most difficult to start with.
Much easier is to take it from other directions - for example if you find out the place she is or try to figure out what I gave you for a present are two possible ways that could make it all fall into place in a short time.
Before the bell rang did she think her husband was dead?
Was this during a war?
Does this case take place in or after some war?
Did she think it is a bomb alarm signal first, and noticed then, that the bell means the end of the war and her husband is finally coming home?
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
Before the bell rang did she think her husband was dead?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Spoiler
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the “home invader“ was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?*
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?*
Was the bell attached to a gate?
Was this during a war?
Does this case take place in or after some war?
Did she think it is a bomb alarm signal first, and noticed then, that the bell means the end of the war and her husband is finally coming home?
irrelevant/don't know myself (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140725/fdnlozuz.gif)
Did she believe in angels?
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Did her husband wear a bell?
Was her husband a firefighter?
Did her husband deliberately ring the bell to show her that he was alive?
Okay I think I got it:
She was grieving at her husband's graveside when the bell he had had installed in the grave started ringing, signalling that he had been buried alive and was pulling the cord from inside his coffin.
She was scared at first, fearing the dead had come to life, but then realized the truth, and dashed away to get help, laughing joyously that he was alive.
(And I'm tempted to think this riddle was inspired by the real life story of Edgar Allan Poe? GREAT riddle by the way!)
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CASE # 27: As she realised the little bell ringing nearby, she greatly terrified but stopped crying immediately.
Seconds later she starts laughing full of joy, running away as fast as possible.
What happened?Yes (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/fwng4q9f.gif)
Was the bell an alarm bell?
Was she a human?
my 'present' for you: Did someone die?
(kind of) :wink:
Was the alarm still on while she was laughging?
Is the alarm outside?
Does cry mean tears ran down her cheeks?
Could this take place in the real world?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone was nearby?
Was she happy because someone was nearby?
Was the "someone" nearby friend or family to her?
Was the person that "ringed" the bell her husband?
Before the bell rang did she think her husband was dead?
Did her husband deliberately ring the bell to show (her) that he was alive?
No (http://www.allsmileys.com/files/kolobok/icq/30.gif)
Spoiler
Was the "little bell" from a phone ringing?
Was she a teacher or student and the bell rang to end school?
Was the bell a doorbell?
Was the bell a wind-chime?
Was she having a nightmare when her alarm clock woke her up and, realizing it had been just a dream, she ran from her bedroom laughing?
Was the girl sleeping?
Was the bell an alarm clock?
Was she having a bad dream?
Is she a child?
Did she cause the alarm bell to ring?
Was she a teller in a bank?
Did the alarm cause a shutter to come down?
Did she run away with the cash the robbers had demanded?
Was the alarm bell a burglary alarm?
was the alarm bell a fire alarm?
was the alarm bell from a slot machine or other gambling device?
Did someone die?
Is the reason she is crying related to the alarm?
Was the bell in a business?
Was the bell in a home?
Was the bell used to start a race?
Is the alarm in a school?
Is the alarm bell automated? (does it not require someone to ring the bell?)
Is this a church bell?
Does cry mean she was shouting?
Does this make any difference? (not in the event itself that followed and that is to discover)
Is she a character in a story?
Is she Tinkerbell?
Is hypnosis involved?
Does she have any mental problems?
Was she some kind of prisoner?
Did she run towards the sound of the bell?
Was the bell the alarm of a home security device?
Did she fear that her home was being invaded?
Did she see that the “home invader“ was actually a loved-one?
Was she crying cause she was hungry and this was the dinner bell?
did she believe in Santa Claus, was crying cause she was a bad girl but when she heard the bells run away to go to sleep so he would stop at her house?
Was she lost and the alarm bell was an indication that she had been found?
Was the bell attached to an animal?
Was she looking for a lost sheep and found it?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that something was nearby?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Was she happy because something was nearby?
Was the alarm bell on some kind of vehicle?
Did the ringing of the bell signal that someone in particular was nearby?*
Was she happy because someone in particular was nearby?*
Was the bell attached to a gate?
Was this during a war?
Does this case take place in or after some war?
Did she think it is a bomb alarm signal first, and noticed then, that the bell means the end of the war and her husband is finally coming home?
Did her husband wear a bell?
Was her husband a firefighter?
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Did she believe in angels?
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Yay! It's done - you cracked my case! (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140716/gm8zup2v.gif)
I call the case solved perfectly and declare Mandle the winner for to present the next case.
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Here's my original solution for case # 27:
Her beloved husband was burried in a safety-coffin. When the widow heard the little bell on his grave ringning she was shocked but realized that her husband must have been burried alive. So she was happy that he still lives but had to hurry and run to call for help (to get him out the coffin as soon as possible to not suffocate).
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Some background information for those interested: Spoiler
There was a funeral ritual, which had been created because the fear of being burried alive. They placed a small bell over the grave so in case it really happens the burried has a chance to call for help not to suffocate in agony.
Still around 1955 there were so-called (suspended animation?*)-bells in some German corpse houses. A doorbell was tied around the hand to the dead and sounded at the slightest movement of the corpse.
Inventors from America and England created "oxygen graves" - with an oxygen supply for 72 hours - or "signal coffins": when a lever in the coffin was operated, an alarm signal or an emergency flag unfolded above the grave.
*I wasn't able to find a proper word for 'Scheintod' in English - it's when someone seems to be death but isn't - just 'suspended animation' gave me that result most of the time.
A safety coffins or security coffins (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_coffin) are coffins fitted with a mechanism to prevent premature burial or allow the occupant to signal that he has been buried alive. A large number of designs for safety coffins were patented during the 18th and 19th centuries and variations on the theme are still available today. The first recorded safety coffin was constructed on the orders of Duke Ferdinand of Brunswick before his death in 1792. He had a window installed to allow light in, an air tube to provide a supply of fresh air, and instead of having the lid nailed down he had a lock fitted. In a special pocket of his shroud he had two keys, one for the coffin lid and a second for the tomb door.
Still reading?
Okay , then you deserve a little fun fakt for dessert:
Did you know that even Edgar Alan Poe had Taphophobia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taphophobia)?
Might be interesting to research if he got it because of his stories or if he wrote the stories because of his phobia. :wink:
Want even more? (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140717/cm9czqh8.gif) (http://www.vox.com/2015/7/31/9075011/buried-alive-safety-coffins)
Number 7 is recommended to be read especially for people like selmiak - and to think about that there might be circumstances that justify to push a button. (laugh)
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That was a REALLY good case Tabata... So many times I was sure I had the right answer, only to be surprised. But in the end, when I DID have the right answer I knew it was right before you confirmed it. All signs of a really good riddle!
I even got the next one ready on standby while waiting on confirmation: (laugh)
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
NO
Thanks for the compliments - I hoped that it was a good idea to go with the safety-coffins :grin:
Now back to the Watson side of this thread:
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Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's woth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts?
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
* YES and NO
Was he at home?
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
* YES and NO
I KNEW I'd get here too late to answer Tabata's riddle! I worked it out a little while after posting that last question. Well done, Mandle, for working it out, too! :-D I haven't got a clue about this next one, though.
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
* YES and NO
Quote from: Riaise on Fri 28/04/2017 14:03:14
I worked it out a little while after posting that last question. Well done, Mandle, for working it out, too!
It was your last question:
"Did her husband deliberately ring the bell to show her that he was alive?" that triggered the epiphany moment where I saw the entire story solution. It was such an awesome "OMFG NOW I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE SHERLOCK HOLMES!!!" moment that I must now appoint you my trusty Dr. Watson...
From now on we solve cases together!
(Well... until you solve one first and then I'm demoted to Watson...)
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
* YES and NO
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid?
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in?
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (laugh)
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
* YES and NO
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living?
Is he a scientist?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
* YES and NO
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
* YES and NO
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts?
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction?
Did he expect to become crazy?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
* YES and NO
So he poisoned himself by mistake? can't be- sorry
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
* YES and NO
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
* YES and NO
Remember that this is what is in the YES list:
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
And, it's a YES and NO listing, but the main reason for this is that it probably wasn't his immediate concern, but eventually would have become a concern...
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 29/04/2017 13:22:50
Remember that this is what is in the YES list:
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
And, it's a YES and NO listing, but the main reason for this is that it probably wasn't his immediate concern, but eventually would have become a concern...
Ahh â€" I had the idea that it was a yes for one and a no for the other maybe and needed to be sure wich one â€" so it's none of those two ;)
grmpf â€" not even know
where he was until now that could be a kind of homeâ€" grmbl (roll)
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 29/04/2017 13:30:02
so it's none of those two ;)
No, it's one of those two (and you know it wasn't poison ;) ). The reason it was YES and NO was because avoiding it wasn't the issue immediately, but would have been a huge factor over time.
gaaah - so many questions with yes and no make me go totally confused (laugh)
Oookay â€" in that case …
Was there a nuclear disaster?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
* YES and NO
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? *
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
* YES and NO
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he on a boat trip?
Was he in a camper?
Was he bit by an animal?
Was he in a hunting lodge?
Was he in a hut on a mountain?
Was he in a plane?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
* YES and NO
I've updated some notes on the YES and NO questions that have already been resolved to cut down on confusion :-D
Also, as per good game design theory, I will make the current goal of investigation clear, but hide it in case someone doesn't want such guidance:
Spoiler
Whatever mistake it was that he made is vital to figure out.
(The reason why I'm adding a lot of notes/help is because tomorrow I leave for a week in Australia and won't have computer access/free time a lot to continue running this case. If it's not solved before I leave I'll put it on pause until I return and others can run cases in the meanwhile. I'll pick this one back up after the latest case is solved.)
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
* YES and NO
Was he alone in the bunker?
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
MINI-UPDATE:
YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
* YES and NO
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he destroy his money / securities?
MINI-UPDATE:
YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
* YES and NO
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Was he able to observe the outside world?
Did he see another person?
MINI-UPDATE:
YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
* YES and NO
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
was he civilian?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Quote from: selmiak on Sun 30/04/2017 11:42:13
... and accidently pushed the red button?
btw. - Selmiak, I am missing your signature pic about that ;)
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?
Sorry guys, I*m gonna have to put this case on pause until I get back from Australia next week...
Please someone jump in for the meanwhile...
Seeyas soon!
MINI-UPDATE:
YES
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
was he civilian?
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?
NO
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?
* YES and NO
I'm back home now and I see nobody jumped in with a new case so I'll unpause this one!
I will do a full update a bit later when I have more time.
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
was he civilian?
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?
* YES and NO
Hello? Come on guys! This is such a great thread! Let's not just sit on our hands!
Let's get that rolling again.
So, a man locked himself in a bunker to avoid a nuclear fallout. He's safe there, as far as he knows, he doesn't miss anyone and he isn't responsible for the nuclear catastrophe - so he doesn't feel guilty. He doesn't have (or at least use) any source of information from the outside. Is this so far correct?
We have some questions about a mistake he made - now I wonder when the mistake actually happened:
Was he happy, then made a mistake, then killed himself because of it?
Did he make a mistake before he locked himself in and realized it later?
Was there an alarm in the bunker? Maybe something telling him that it was opend from the outside? (I think he might have heard the security lock open, thought the radioactivity would reach him now and therefore lost all hope and killed himself.)
QuoteWas there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
That's a bit confusing. If it happened? So, it didn't happen? Was there a nuclear disaster? Or did he just think there was one?
CASE #28:
One moment he was the happiest man alive, with much to look forward to. The next moment he sat down at his desk, pulled out a gun from one of its drawers, and killed himself with it. Why the sudden change of heart?
YES
Did he intend to kill himself?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Was he at home? * (Now confirmed that he is in a nuclear bunker, probably deep under his home)
Can this case happen nowadays?
Can this case happen in real world?
Had the man locked himself away somewhere?
Did he do something to make him think that killing himself was the only solution?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event. He was probably afraid a bit about getting into the bunker in time, but that wasn't his foremost emotion as we know by the case description.)
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? * (See below)
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? * (Now confirmed that he entered bunker to escape a nuclear event, and, incidentally, the contamination of fallout later on)
Is he in a house that belongs him but isn't his usual home for living? (Yes, if the term "house" is a loose description meaning "a place one lives in")
Was there a misunderstanding that made him change hearts? (Not a misunderstanding between people, but he made a mistake, yes)
Did he kill himself to avoid the expected reaction? (Yes, he killed himself to avoid the outcome of his mistake)
Did he expect to become crazy? (Most probably, yes)
Was there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
Did he lock himself in a bunker?
Did he feel safe in that bunker?
Was he alone in the bunker?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope because now there wasn't much left to look forward to?
Did he realize that he made a mistake?
Did he arrange it that he could for a very long time live in this bunker?
Was he able to observe the outside world? (One would assume so, but not really important)
was he civilian?
Was his mistake that he destroyed something?
Was he happy, then made a mistake, then killed himself because of it?
Was there a nuclear disaster?
NO
Did he have debts?
Had he won the lottery?
Had he forgotten to hand the lottery ticket so it's worth nothing to have chosen the correct numbers?
Did he find out he had lost members of his family?
Did he think he was helping out someone by killing himself?
Did he get a bad Information from someone/somewhere else to change hearts?
Did he realize an illness/a handicap to change hearts? *
Did he change hearts because of a fallacy?
Was he at home? *
Was he still happy when he killed himself?
Had he been contacted by someone else in the time between being optimistic and deciding to kill himself?
Was he sleeping before he shot himself?
Did he dream to be at home?
Did he dream to shot himself?
Was he watching the news, reading a newspaper or something similar?
Does this case have anything to do with the stock market?
Was someone with him when he shot himself?
Did he lock himself in because he was afraid? *
Did he think he will become ill if he doesn't lock himself in? *
Did he want to avoid geting poisoned/radioactively contaminated? *
Did he hear "War of the worlds" on the radio? (No, but that would be a cool riddle!)
Did he want to protect the outside world?
Is he a scientist?
Did he lock himself in because he has become poisoned/radioactively contaminated already?
Did he kill himself to avoid a painful death?
Did he do something to cause an event that made him become poisoned/radioactively contaminated?
Was it a poison from an animal?
Was it a poison from a plant? (There's no poison involved. Just mentioning so folk don't get sidetracked too much)
So he thought that he was radioactively contaminated?
Was he worried to "contaminate" a loved one?
Was he "contaminated" with a parasite?
Did he just think a nuclear disaster happened?
Was the man in a position of power (a President, Prime Minister, etc)?
Had he (either directly or indirectly) started a war?
Did he run out of supplies?
Was he becoming depressed and lost hope during the long wait all alone?
Was there a defect in that bunker?
Did he kill himself to avoid suffocating?
Did the man work in a nuclear power plant?
Did the mistake that he made cause a major disaster?
Did/would other people die due to his mistake?
Did he misunderstood the warning of the siren?
Did he kill himself because he couldn't live with the guilt (of the consequences of his mistake)?
Did he killed him self because he realized that he couldn't leave the bunker again?
Did he "forgot" a loved one outside?
Was he the happiest man alive because he was literally the only man alive? (Not exactly, but close)
Did he destroy his money / securities? (Not money or "valuables" in the traditional sense, but something...)
Did he shut the bunker forever and without a chance to reopen it to feel save?
Did he see another person?
Was he responsible for the launch of some nuclear missiles and accidently pushed the red button?
was he in the military?
Did he think that other people were in the bunker before he locked himself in?
Did locking himself in mean that he accidentally locked other people out?
Was his change of heart because he realised that someone else (wife, child, etc.) hadn't made it to the bunker in time?
Did he destroy something before he entered the bunker?
Did he make a mistake before he locked himself in and realized it later?
Was there an alarm in the bunker. Maybe something telling him that it was opend from the outside??
* YES and NO
Quote from: Sinitrena on Wed 10/05/2017 15:07:28
QuoteWas there a nuclear disaster? (Well, if it happened it would be a disaster for sure so, yes)
That's a bit confusing. If it happened? So, it didn't happen? Was there a nuclear disaster? Or did he just think there was one?
The term "nuclear disaster" is open to too many interpretations which makes it difficult to answer the question perfectly...
Did he have Time Enough At Last?
Do we need to find out about what specific kind of nuclear disaster we are talking about to solve the case?
Was his mistake to destroy something when he was in the bunker?
Was his mistake that - after some time has passed - he thought it would be safe now and left the bunker, but it wasn't safe?
Quote from: Snarky on Wed 10/05/2017 16:02:50
Did he have Time Enough At Last?
Looks like you're onto me there, Snarky. Care to solve the case officially? ;)
Theory: He's a book lover who looked forward to life after the apocalypse because he'd finally be able to read all day without distraction. But then he breaks his only pair of glasses...
(In that case, it's an adaptation of a famous episode of The Twilight Zone.)
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 11/05/2017 00:18:47
Theory: He's a book lover who looked forward to life after the apocalypse because he'd finally be able to read all day without distraction. But then he breaks his only pair of glasses...
(In that case, it's an adaptation of a famous episode of The Twilight Zone.)
WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!!!It was indeed adapted from episode 8, season 1 of The Twilight Zone: "Time Enough At Last"
So yeah:
SolutionThe man in question prepared a bomb shelter in case of nuclear war and stocked it full of all the books he could never find the time to read. Reading was his only passion in life and so, when the war finally happened, he shut himself away in his shelter and was briefly "the happiest man alive". But when he sat down at his desk he had forgotten that he had left his only pair of reading glasses on the chair and broke them. Now unable to read at all, and facing the rest of a life of sanity-sapping solitude, he pulled out the gun from the desk and killed himself.Well recognized, Inspector Snarky! Over to you if you want to DM...
Case #29
With a slip of the hand, the thief was dead. But soon afterwards the robbery was completed anyway.
Yes
...
No
...
Was it the thief's hand that slipped?
Was the thief human?
Was the thief killed by another human?
Yes
Was the thief human?
No
Was it the thief's hand that slipped?
Was the thief killed by another human?
Was the hand that slipped using a mouse?
Did this take place inside a compter game?
Did the player reload the game?
(http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/smilies/fist.gif) Curses! Foiled again...
Yes
Was the thief human?
Was the hand that slipped using a mouse?
Did this take place inside a computer game?
Did the player reload the game?
No
Was it the thief's hand that slipped?
Was the thief killed by another human?
D'you care to work out the rest of it, or should we just call it there?
OH! OH SHIT! Sorry for busting the case so early...
So I guess that the player of the game (Thief?) slipped on the mouse and their character got caught and died, but then they reloaded the game and did it right the next time through?
Haha, that's OK. I thought it would be a pretty difficult one, but I guess not.
Here's the death I had in mind (with the player clicking on the Hero by mistake, instead of on the door): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0HX7cJoUk (embedding disabled for some damn reason)
I'll have another one up today. Still deciding what to go with...
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
...
No
...
Does this army consist of humans?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
...
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
...
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Is there some sort of civil war going on?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Is this a natural phenomenon? Maybe a Fire?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Does this take place inside a human body?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes at work?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes at work? (Also no form of cancer, HIV, etc... I wouldn't go that dark...)
White blood cells?
Just feel the need to post about:
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 14/05/2017 16:33:36
...
Is it about Leukocytes at work? (Also no form of cancer, HIV, etc... I wouldn't go that dark...)
Whut?! :shocked: As far as i know (I haven't studied medicine) leukocytes are the white soldiers in the blood, which fight against pathogens. This does not require a serious illness. A simple cold or light inflammation in the body is sufficient for "the war" to break loose. So it's nothing 'dark' about it. (wtf)
Edit:Oh :-[ - totally forgot my next question, sorry:
Are we talking about digestion?
(Even if I wouldn't define it as killing the food, because it is about extraction the needed stuff and conversion to energy but it fits if taken very loosely)
Quote from: Tabata on Sun 14/05/2017 17:39:41
Just feel the need to post about:
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 14/05/2017 16:33:36
...
Is it about Leukocytes at work? (Also no form of cancer, HIV, etc... I wouldn't go that dark...)
Whut?! :shocked: As far as i know (I haven't studied medicine) leukocytes are the white soldiers in the blood, which fight against pathogens. This does not require a serious illness. A simple cold or light inflammation in the body is sufficient for "the war" to break loose. So it's nothing 'dark' about it. (wtf)
Ah, sorry, it was my misunderstanding. I didn't know the technical name for white blood cells, so I googled Leukocytes, and the first thing that I read was concerning Leukemia and I made a wrong assumption. So, sorry about that, but there's a free hint, and also I learned something. :-[
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is the army an outside infection?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the endocrine system?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends? :-X
Tabata, that was what I was thinking at first but he answered yes to the following and I don't think Teeth are some kind of micro-organism.
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 15/05/2017 13:22:16
Yes
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
and Adeel he did answer yes to
is this a natural phenomenon and I don't know if being impaled is a natural phenomenon.
Yes, it was a random throwaway. Sorry.
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
endocrine system huh...
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the thyroid gland involved?
Is the parathyroid gland involved?
Quote from: CaptainD on Wed 17/05/2017 13:35:27
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the thyroid gland involved?
Is the parathyroid gland involved?
Hmmmm... this will take a bit of research... BRB...
Does this require a PhD in Biology to understand?
Quote from: Kweepa on Thu 18/05/2017 01:08:05
Does this require a PhD in Biology to understand?
It shouldn't, no... But the questions are going that way, eh? (laugh)
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?
Does this take place inside a human body?
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Quote from: Gurok on Thu 18/05/2017 13:31:32
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
I did wonder this myself, especially with the "coming from 2 different directions" clue.
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 18/05/2017 14:13:09
Quote from: Gurok on Thu 18/05/2017 13:31:32
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
I did wonder this myself, especially with the "coming from 2 different directions" clue.
but killing all in its path???
I wonder if this could refer to ejaculation purging anything that happens to be in its path in the urethra but... it seems a pretty sketchy hypothesis
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
After the research I did I'm starting to worry that this YES answer:
"Does the army consist of cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism?"
Might be a bit misleading...
They DO contribute to the slaughter mentioned in the riddle though, but the word "consist" is probably better termed as "include"... So I have changed it to that as a fix... Sorry if this delayed a potential solution, but probably not...
EDIT: Now that I look again, there could be another potential misleading answer. Well, not really, but I have updated the reply just in case to:
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Okay, so...
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Hahaha... this has turned into "Dr. House Simulator"
I will answer after some more research. At this rate I'm gonna earn a PhD. in medicine soon!
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is the heart involved?
Is fear the thing thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Is the heart involved? (Only in that it's a part of the cardiovascular system though.)
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is fear the thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Is more than one person involved?
Is the sex of the person(s) relevant?
Is the process caused by or a response to some external stimulus?
Is the thing that's eliminated some kind of toxin?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Is the heart involved? (Only in that it's a part of the cardiovascular system though.)
Is the sex of the person relevant?
Is the person male?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is fear the thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Is more than one person involved?
Is the process caused by or a response to some external stimulus?
Is the thing that's eliminated some kind of toxin?
Is the person male?
Is the reproductive system involved?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Is the heart involved? (Only in that it's a part of the cardiovascular system though.)
Is the sex of the person relevant?
Is the person male?
Is the reproductive system involved? (In a way, yes.)
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is fear the thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Is more than one person involved?
Is the process caused by or a response to some external stimulus?
Is the thing that's eliminated some kind of toxin?
Does the age of the person matter?
(If the answer to the last question is no then ignore this one) Is the male an adult?
Does the army end up "killing" itself?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Is the heart involved? (Only in that it's a part of the cardiovascular system though.)
Is the sex of the person relevant?
Is the person male?
Is the reproductive system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Does the age of the person matter?
Is the male an adult?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is fear the thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Is more than one person involved?
Is the process caused by or a response to some external stimulus?
Is the thing that's eliminated some kind of toxin?
Does the army end up "killing" itself?
Can the person perceive that the process is happening?
Is this a process that is always going on in the body (of, as we have established, a healthy adult male)?
Is it something that happens during adolescence?
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Is the heart involved? (Only in that it's a part of the cardiovascular system though.)
Is the sex of the person relevant?
Is the person male?
Is the reproductive system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Does the age of the person matter?
Is the male an adult?
Can the person perceive that the process is happening?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is fear the thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Is more than one person involved?
Is the process caused by or a response to some external stimulus?
Is the thing that's eliminated some kind of toxin?
Does the army end up "killing" itself?
Is this a process that is always going on in the body (of, as we have established, a healthy adult male)?
Is it something that happens during adolescence? (It could happen, but very rarely)
Nothing, guys? Should I give a hint?
Is the guy masterbating?
If this is correct you will have to explain to me about the armies.
Is the guy shaving... (roll)
Case #30
An army marched from the front and the rear, killing all in its path. What's really going on here?
Yes
Is the case possible to (or did) happen in real life nowadays?
Was the case possible to (or did) happen in real life in the past?
Is there some sort of civil war going on? (Some sort of civil war? I must say YES! (laugh) )
Is this a natural phenomenon?
Does the army include cells, microbes, viruses, spores, or some other kind of micro-organism? ("consist of" changed to "include" to hopefully fix a potential mislead)
Does this take place inside a human body? (Yes...The riddle concerns something about the human body)
Does "marching from the front and rear" imply that the "army" is coming from two different directions?
Is this a normal, everyday process in a healthy body? (Rather than a description of some disease, fever, medical treatment, etc.)
Is this part of the endocrine system? (It has something to do with it, yes.)
Is the adrenal gland involved?
Is the cardiovascular system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Is the heart involved? (Only in that it's a part of the cardiovascular system though.)
Is the sex of the person relevant?
Is the person male?
Is the reproductive system involved? (In a way, yes.)
Does the age of the person matter?
Is the male an adult?
Can the person perceive that the process is happening?
No
Does this army consist of humans?
Is this army a marabunta?
Is the army of living beings?
Is the case fictional and just possible to happen in mind, a book or movie and such?
Is the army an element such as water (e.g., flood), or fire (e.g., forest fires)?
Does the army consist of machines (like a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of parts of machines (like the knifes of a mowing machine)?
Does the army consist of tools (like scissors)?
Does the army consist of rockets?
Does the army consist of bombs?
Does the army consist of dynamite?
Is this army in the computer?
Maybe a Fire?
Are any of the things killed by the army human beings?
Is the army actually marching? (i.e. it's not just a figure of speech.)
Is it about Leukocytes (White blood cells/Immune system) at work?
Are we talking about digestion?
How about pain that is getting killed?
Is the army an outside infection?
Is the guy eating?
Is this part of the nervous system?
Does the army consist of teeth?
Is the guy getting impaled to death from both ends?
Does it have anything to do with falling asleep?
Would the armies be your kidneys?
Is the thyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is the parathyroid gland involved? (Not as far as my research showed, but I could be wrong)
Is this about sex? (Intercourse.)
Are the locations the army marches from organs of the body? (No, the front and rear mentioned in the riddle are not the locations of organs)
Is the neurological system involved?
Is the respiratory system involved?
Are the things being killed by the army actually (rather than metaphorically) killed? (If you mean "Are lives lost" then no.)
Did the army originate outside of the body?
Is fear the thing that is killed?
Is the guy exercising?
Is more than one person involved?
Is the process caused by or a response to some external stimulus?
Is the thing that's eliminated some kind of toxin?
Does the army end up "killing" itself?
Is this a process that is always going on in the body (of, as we have established, a healthy adult male)?
Is it something that happens during adolescence? (It could happen, but very rarely)
Is the guy masterbating?
Is the guy shaving?
Is it a case of hair loss?
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 23/05/2017 01:34:42
Is it a case of hair loss?
WE HAVE OUR WINNER!!!
SolutionThe "army" in question was Male Pattern Hair Loss, caused by male hormones and enzymes, and carried to the hair follicles through the bloodstream, where they "attack" and "kill" hair on the person's head, advancing back from the forehead and forward from the crown of the head, until eventually all the hair in between is "killed".Well done, Kumpel!
Over to you if you want the next round!
(Phew... Now I can stop studying about MPHL and just get back to experiencing it)
Oh boy! What a nice simile for such a not so nice phenomenon!
I am out of cases and time atm. Whoever wants to jump in, do not hesitate to do so! (nod)
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 24/05/2017 01:22:46
Oh boy! What a nice simile for such a not so nice phenomenon!
I'm curious what others who participated thought of the case... I was trying for something very different and what I thought might be challenging and also fun...
It did turn into an episode of Dr. House, but I can't control the way the questioning leads...
Did anyone have fun? Does anyone have a new case?
I was pretty much lost throughout; because it was told in metaphor it was hard to get a firm grasp on what it was about. In retrospect, asking about the timescale of the process, and perhaps try to pinpoint a more precise location on the body, would have been more productive. A cool idea, and it was fun, but probably not my favorite case.
Here's another one:
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Were the criminals Nazi war criminals tracked down, tried, and found guilty of their crimes decades later?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
About the last case, I agree with Snarky. I was having a hard time coming up with questions to ask, let alone working out what was going on. I think it's good to have something a bit different every once in a while, though. :)
OK, questions:
Is this case based on a real crime?
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
...
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Were the criminals human?
Yes
Were the criminals human?
the initial statement on this case is very vague and at least that much of it has happened several times in real life.
you stated "They" so I am guessing there was at least 2 criminals.
Questions:
Was there more than 3?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the crime a federal case?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
I like the road CaptainD is leading us down.
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
If that's right, I'm struggling to see where the execution comes in, unless that part would refer to the foetus being aborted?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
Let's just clear this up then:
Is the term "execution" referring to the criminals being literally killed?
Is the term "lifetime sentence" referring to being in a literal prison for the rest of their lives?
Other thought:
Is holding the child hostage involved?
was some forbidden love involved?
were the 2 human criminals male and female?
were their genitals involved?
Do the 2 adults live in a country where having a child out of wedlock is a crime?
Are the 2 adults Chinese and living under the "one-child" law, but conceive a second child and try to keep it in secret?
(Doesn't exactly fit but: )
Did the two adults kidnap a child as they couldn't have one of their own? (Raising Arizona style)
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
Is the term "execution" referring to the criminals being literally killed?
Was some forbidden love involved?
Were the 2 human criminals male and female?
Were their genitals involved?
Do the 2 adults live in a country where having a child out of wedlock is a crime?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
Is the term "lifetime sentence" referring to being in a literal prison for the rest of their lives?
Is holding the child hostage involved?
Are the 2 adults Chinese and living under the "one-child" law, but conceive a second child and try to keep it in secret?
Well done, you all sussed it out much quicker than I expected. I think the only missing piece is figuring out the nature of the life sentence.
Does the life sentence refer to enforced sterilisation perhaps?
Is the punishment a metaphor for a shotgun marriage? (A threat of "marry or die")
Is the "execution" death by stoning?
Is the "execution" a (so-called) "honor-killing"?
Is the "life-sentence" being forced to marry?
Is this Romeo and Juliet?
Is the "life-sentence" wearing the letter "A" on the woman's clothing?
Mandle - as a Creative Writing student who studied Nathaniel Hawthorne at the start of the academic year, I hope you don't mind me interjecting with how much I despise that book.
EDIT: But I do appreciate the reference, saying that.
On that note, is the child (I believe there was a child?) called Pearl?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
Is the term "execution" referring to the criminals being literally killed?
Was some forbidden love involved?
Were the 2 human criminals male and female?
Were their genitals involved?
Do the 2 adults live in a country where having a child out of wedlock is a crime?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
Is the term "lifetime sentence" referring to being in a literal prison for the rest of their lives?
Is holding the child hostage involved?
Are the 2 adults Chinese and living under the "one-child" law, but conceive a second child and try to keep it in secret?
Does the life sentence refer to enforced sterilisation perhaps?
Is the punishment a metaphor for a shotgun marriage? (A threat of "marry or die")
Is the "execution" death by stoning? [I hadn't actually considered the method of execution, but this doesn't sound likely; I've settled on something else, but it's not a major point]
Is the "execution" a (so-called) "honor-killing"? [Not as you probably mean it, no]
Is the "life-sentence" being forced to marry?
Is this Romeo and Juliet?
Is the "life-sentence" wearing the letter "A" on the woman's clothing?
Is the child (I believe there was a child?) called Pearl?
I wasn't thinking of a specific story from fiction, either, though there are a number of possible parallels.
Is the religion of the couple relevant to this case in any way? Was it a Muslim couple?
Yes
Is the religion of the couple relevant to this case in any way?
No
Was it a Muslim couple?
Was the undeniable evidence a pregnancy test?
Was the crime unprotected sex?
Does "execution" mean "abortion"?
EDIT: I'm dumb, missed some questions...
Are the couple Jewish?
Does the couple have Ashkenazi diseases?
Are the couple Christian?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
Is the term "execution" referring to the criminals being literally killed?
Was some forbidden love involved?
Were the 2 human criminals male and female?
Were their genitals involved?
Do the 2 adults live in a country where having a child out of wedlock is a crime?
Is the religion of the couple relevant to this case in any way?
Was the crime unprotected sex?
Are the couple Christian?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
Is the term "lifetime sentence" referring to being in a literal prison for the rest of their lives?
Is holding the child hostage involved?
Are the 2 adults Chinese and living under the "one-child" law, but conceive a second child and try to keep it in secret?
Does the life sentence refer to enforced sterilisation perhaps?
Is the punishment a metaphor for a shotgun marriage? (A threat of "marry or die")
Is the "execution" death by stoning? [I hadn't actually considered the method of execution, but this doesn't sound likely; I've settled on something else, but it's not a major point]
Is the "execution" a (so-called) "honor-killing"? [Not as you probably mean it, no]
Is the "life-sentence" being forced to marry?
Is this Romeo and Juliet?
Is the "life-sentence" wearing the letter "A" on the woman's clothing?
Is the child (I believe there was a child?) called Pearl?
Was it a Muslim couple?
Was the undeniable evidence a pregnancy test? [The pregnancy itself was the evidence, yes, once it became obvious]
Does "execution" mean "abortion"?
Are the couple Jewish?
Does the couple have Ashkenazi diseases?
As a reminder, the main thing left to figure out is the lifetime sentence, given that it is not "being in a literal prison for the rest of [the person's life]".
Is the lifetime sentence going to Hell in the afterlife?
Is the lifetime sentence excommunication from the church?
Is the lifetime sentence banishment from the community?
No
Is the lifetime sentence going to Hell in the afterlife?
Is the lifetime sentence excommunication from the church?
Is the lifetime sentence banishment from the community? [This is perhaps arguable...]
Does "Lifetime" refer to the child's lifetime?
Is the child the one sentenced?
otherwise...
Are both parents sentenced?
Are they shakers?
Does the lifetime sentence refer to the child being termed a "bastard" for their whole life?
Was one of them (or both) married to someone else when he / she (they) decided to commit the 'crime'?
Also, are we talking about the Victorian era here?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
Is the term "execution" referring to the criminals being literally killed?
Was some forbidden love involved?
Were the 2 human criminals male and female?
Were their genitals involved?
Do the 2 adults live in a country where having a child out of wedlock is a crime?
Is the religion of the couple relevant to this case in any way?
Was the crime unprotected sex?
Are the couple Christian?
Was the undeniable evidence a pregnancy test?* [The pregnancy itself was the evidence, once it became obvious]
Are both parents sentenced?
(* Moved this one, since on second thought it fits better under "yes".)
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
Is the term "lifetime sentence" referring to being in a literal prison for the rest of their lives?
Is holding the child hostage involved?
Are the 2 adults Chinese and living under the "one-child" law, but conceive a second child and try to keep it in secret?
Does the life sentence refer to enforced sterilisation perhaps?
Is the punishment a metaphor for a shotgun marriage? (A threat of "marry or die")
Is the "execution" death by stoning? [I hadn't actually considered the method of execution, but this doesn't sound likely; I've settled on something else, but it's not a major point]
Is the "execution" a (so-called) "honor-killing"? [Not as you probably mean it, no]
Is the "life-sentence" being forced to marry?
Is this Romeo and Juliet?
Is the "life-sentence" wearing the letter "A" on the woman's clothing?
Is the child (I believe there was a child?) called Pearl?
Was it a Muslim couple?
Does "execution" mean "abortion"?
Are the couple Jewish?
Does the couple have Ashkenazi diseases?
Is the lifetime sentence going to Hell in the afterlife?
Is the lifetime sentence excommunication from the church?
Is the lifetime sentence banishment from the community? [This is perhaps arguable...]
Does "Lifetime" refer to the child's lifetime?
Is the child the one sentenced?
Are they shakers?
Does the lifetime sentence refer to the child being termed a "bastard" for their whole life?
Was one of them (or both) married to someone else when he / she (they) decided to commit the 'crime'? [Not in the variation I had in mind]
Also, are we talking about the Victorian era here?
Were the parents slaves?
No, but that would have been a better idea for the case!
Was this an incestuous relationship?
Was the child born disfigured or disabled in some way?
Did someone cheat on his/her wife/husband?
Did they use a somehow malfunctioning condom/contraceptive method?
Case #31
The criminals thought they had gotten away with it, but when undeniable evidence was discovered, they faced execution or a lifetime sentence.
Yes
Were the criminals human?
Is the number of criminals relevant?
Was the "undeniable evidence" a child?
Is there crime resulting in pregnancy?
Was there 2 people involved?
Is the term "execution" referring to the criminals being literally killed?
Was some forbidden love involved?
Were the 2 human criminals male and female?
Were their genitals involved?
Do the 2 adults live in a country where having a child out of wedlock is a crime?
Is the religion of the couple relevant to this case in any way?
Was the crime unprotected sex?
Are the couple Christian?
Was the undeniable evidence a pregnancy test? [The pregnancy itself was the evidence, once it became obvious]
Are both parents sentenced?
No
Were the criminals war criminals?
Were the criminals terrorists?
Did the criminals face their punishment at least 10 years after their crime?
Is this case based on a real crime? [Not specifically, no, though there have been similar cases]
Was the crime a theft?
Did the crime involve murder?
Was there more than 3?
Was the crime a federal case?
Is the lifetime sentence involve them dealing with the child?
Is the term "lifetime sentence" referring to being in a literal prison for the rest of their lives?
Is holding the child hostage involved?
Are the 2 adults Chinese and living under the "one-child" law, but conceive a second child and try to keep it in secret?
Does the life sentence refer to enforced sterilisation perhaps?
Is the punishment a metaphor for a shotgun marriage? (A threat of "marry or die")
Is the "execution" death by stoning? [I hadn't actually considered the method of execution, but this doesn't sound likely; I've settled on something else, but it's not a major point]
Is the "execution" a (so-called) "honor-killing"? [Not as you probably mean it, no]
Is the "life-sentence" being forced to marry?
Is this Romeo and Juliet?
Is the "life-sentence" wearing the letter "A" on the woman's clothing?
Is the child (I believe there was a child?) called Pearl?
Was it a Muslim couple?
Does "execution" mean "abortion"?
Are the couple Jewish?
Does the couple have Ashkenazi diseases?
Is the lifetime sentence going to Hell in the afterlife?
Is the lifetime sentence excommunication from the church?
Is the lifetime sentence banishment from the community? [This is perhaps arguable...]
Does "Lifetime" refer to the child's lifetime?
Is the child the one sentenced?
Are they shakers?
Does the lifetime sentence refer to the child being termed a "bastard" for their whole life?
Was one of them (or both) married to someone else when he / she (they) decided to commit the 'crime'? [Not in the variation I had in mind]
Also, are we talking about the Victorian era here?
Were the parents slaves?
Was this an incestuous relationship?
Did someone cheat on his/her wife/husband?
Did they use a somehow malfunctioning condom/contraceptive method?
Might I suggest that you try to sum up everything you think you know in a proposed solution? Lately, some of the questions seem to go back over ground that I thought had already been covered.
Is this taking place in modern times?
I've been googling laws on out of wedlock pregnancies all morning :p
Was the father forced to become a monk as punishment?
Was the mother forced to become a nun as punishment?
Was the child forced into servitude of the church as a punishment?
YES!
Was the mother forced to become a nun as punishment?
Some hundreds of years ago, the daughter of a nobleman has an affair with a servant and becomes pregnant. When this is discovered, the boy is hanged and the girl sent to live in a convent for having brought shame upon her family.
(Capital punishment for an affair may seem harsh even by medieval standards, but given the difference in rank between the couple, and her father acting as judge, I think it would be possible. There are some parallels to the legend of Tristan and Iseult: when their affair is discovered, Tristan is sentenced to hang and Iseult sent to a leper colony, although both escape their punishment.)
My idea was to build the case around something we don't think of as a crime. I first tried to come up with something around blasphemy, but wasn't able to make anything interesting out of it. When you all quickly figured out that it was about sex out of wedlock, I thought the misdirection had failed, but then people kept trying to come up with further explanations after you already had the answer, so I guess it worked after all.
YAY! Well, CaptainD busted the pregnancy part I believe so perhaps over to him for the next case if he wants?
Personally, I look forward to playing a case from his twisted deranged unique imagination!
Case #32
The attack was savage and very damaging, but the victim lived. That same day, the victim met their twin, for the very first time. What happened?
(Apologies in advance if this one is just too easy, but I couldn't resist! :grin:)
Did the victim lose a part of their body?
Were there any curtains around?
Did the victim have any robotic parts?
Are they Siamese twins that somehow never saw each other until an operation could separate them?
Note - actually this isn't going to be anywhere near as easy as I first thought because of an error I made... but I can't tell you what that error is because it would make solving the puzzle much easier! D'oh... all will be revealed in the end, the clue still stands exactly as it is anyway.
Case #32
The attack was savage and very damaging, but the victim lived. That same day, the victim met their twin, for the very first time. What happened?
Yes
Did the victim lose a part of their body?
No
Were there any curtains around?
Did the victim have any robotic parts?
Are they Siamese twins that somehow never saw each other until an operation could separate them?
Was there more than one victim?
Was the victim male?
Was the victim female?
Are we talking about humans?
Note - actually this isn't going to be anywhere near as easy as I first thought because of an error I made... but I can't tell you what that error is because it would make solving the puzzle much easier! D'oh... all will be revealed in the end, the clue still stands exactly as it is anyway.
Case #32
The attack was savage and very damaging, but the victim lived. That same day, the victim met their twin, for the very first time. What happened?
Yes
Did the victim lose a part of their body?
Was the victim male? *yes and no
Was the victim female? *yes and no
No
Were there any curtains around?
Did the victim have any robotic parts?
Are they Siamese twins that somehow never saw each other until an operation could separate them?
Was there more than one victim?
Was the victim male? *yes and no
Was the victim female? *yes and no
Are we talking about humans?
Is the victim a sailor?
Is the victim saved by a ship?
Is his twin an important person?
Note - actually this isn't going to be anywhere near as easy as I first thought because of an error I made... but I can't tell you what that error is because it would make solving the puzzle much easier! D'oh... all will be revealed in the end, the clue still stands exactly as it is anyway.
Case #32
The attack was savage and very damaging, but the victim lived. That same day, the victim met their twin, for the very first time. What happened?
Yes
Did the victim lose a part of their body?
Was the victim male? *yes and no
Was the victim female? *yes and no
No
Were there any curtains around?
Did the victim have any robotic parts?
Are they Siamese twins that somehow never saw each other until an operation could separate them?
Was there more than one victim?
Was the victim male? *yes and no
Was the victim female? *yes and no
Are we talking about humans?
Is the victim a sailor?
Is the victim saved by a ship?
Is his twin an important person?
Wild theorie, but:
Is the victim an earthworm that was cut in two, creating two earthworms in the process? (The german wikipedia tells me this is not possible, while the english one says it is. Oh, who cares?)
Damn, I was quite sure that we were talking about Luke and Leia, and Luke losing his hand to Vader and then discovering that Leia is his twin. I thought the error in the question was it was supposed to mean "meet for the first time while aware it was his twin".
My next two theories were Agent Cooper meeting his doppleganger in the red curtain room in Twin Peaks, and The Terminator meeting and fighting himself in Terminator:Genisys.
I was trying to veil my questions to be a smartass while I got more info.
But I think Sinitrena just solved it in the meanwhile :-[
Quote from: Sinitrena on Sun 28/05/2017 23:36:02
Wild theorie, but:
Is the victim an earthworm that was cut in two, creating two earthworms in the process? (The german wikipedia tells me this is not possible, while the english one says it is. Oh, who cares?)
This was actually my original thought, but when I looked it up again I found that earthworms do not actually produce two living organisms, only the one with the head will survive, the other will not (though it may continue moving for a short time, which is possibly what gives rise to the common conception that cutting an earthworm in half will create 2 living worms). Erroneously I had indeed originally been going with the idea of an earthworm.
Since you got what my original "crime" was I'm going to say you got it. In fact I had to change it to the Hammerhead Slug, which is the largest flatworm, and one of the few land-based ones. Flatworms do have the ability to be split in two, and in fact for this particular species it is their preferred method of reproduction!
The scenario was that someone came across one of these flatworms on their land, cut it in half with a spade (a "savage and damaging attack" and moved it out of sight. Both ends of the worm formed a new living creature and thus the first one met its "twin". (I realise that calling it a twin could be seen as a misnomer, but it seemed the most fitting term to use.)
Very well done, Sinitrena!
(Mandle - that would have been a cool riddle too!)
Never heard of a Hammerhead Slug, so that would have been impossible to solve for me.
Case #33
He rounds a corner and sees a red house. Suddenly, he knows he is broke. What happened?
Is he playing Monopoly?
I know the answer to this one so I'm going to just spectate this round.
EDIT: Nevermind then... CaptainD busted it already (laugh)
Ok, I did not really expect this to take long, but the very first question? :-\ (Techniquelly he's the game piece...)
So, CaptainD, over to you again!
Quote from: Sinitrena on Mon 29/05/2017 00:19:25
Ok, I did not really expect this to take long, but the very first question? :-\ (Techniquelly he's the game piece...)
Sorry dude! It was just the first thing that came into my head (I really like Monopoly but seldom play it as apparently I'm a bad loser and even worse winner! :shocked: An accusation I strenuously deny! :grin:)
Quote from: Sinitrena on Mon 29/05/2017 00:06:53
Never heard of a Hammerhead Slug, so that would have been impossible to solve for me.
Me neither mate but I had to do some research to find something that would fit my clue since the earthworm thing turned out to be inaccurate.
Okay I thought of this one last night but I can't be sure that actually hasn't already been done... checking back every case is a bit too time-consuming right now! So apologies if this has actually already been done.
Case #34
A shot was fired from a single weapon, resulting in the death of millions of people. What happened?
Yes
No
Is this about the assassination of Duke Ferdinand that started WWI?
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 29/05/2017 10:26:40
Is this about the assassination of Duke Ferdinand that started WWI?
Yes - does this mean I have simply remembered something that was posted before and thought it was my own idea? >:(
CASE #34 - CaptainD's brain stopped working, what happened?
Answer: Nothing, it's just what normally happens.
Quote from: CaptainD on Mon 29/05/2017 10:46:44
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 29/05/2017 10:26:40
Is this about the assassination of Duke Ferdinand that started WWI?
Yes - does this mean I have simply remembered something that was posted before and thought it was my own idea? >:(
No, I don't think this riddle was done before. It was just the first thought that came to me about a single shot killing millions.
My next guess would have been the first shot ever fired from a firearm, whenever that was...
I'll come up with a new case soon...
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 29/05/2017 11:05:47
No, I don't think this riddle was done before. It was just the first thought that came to me about a single shot killing millions.
I actually thought you were going to guess the Death Star!! :-D
Quote from: CaptainD on Mon 29/05/2017 11:19:42
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 29/05/2017 11:05:47
No, I don't think this riddle was done before. It was just the first thought that came to me about a single shot killing millions.
I actually thought you were going to guess the Death Star!! :-D
It was probably the term "resulting in" rather than "causing" that tipped me off. It kind of implies a series of events over a longer timescale linked to the first shot, rather than the millions dying directly from the shot.
Case #35
They were three sisters. One died in an accident. Another died in a war, tending to the wounded. The third lived a long life. What were their names?
Yes
No
Were these sisters real human beings?
Is the answer some play on words?
Case #35
They were three sisters. One died in an accident. Another died in a war, tending to the wounded. The third lived a long life. What were their names?
Yes
No
Were these sisters real human beings?
Is the answer some play on words?
Is this anything to do with Greek mythology?
Case #35
They were three sisters. One died in an accident. Another died in a war, tending to the wounded. The third lived a long life. What were their names?
Yes
No
Were these sisters real human beings?
Is the answer some play on words?
Is this anything to do with Greek mythology?
Are they characters from some work of fiction or legend?
Was one of the sisters named Mercy?
Just working on a hunch here... Faith, Hope and Love?
Case #35
They were three sisters. One died in an accident. Another died in a war, tending to the wounded. The third lived a long life. What were their names?
Yes
No
Were these sisters real human beings?
Is the answer some play on words?
Is this anything to do with Greek mythology?
Are they characters from some work of fiction or legend?
Was one of the sisters named Mercy?
Faith, Hope and Love?
Are the sisters aliens?
Are the sisters animals?
Are the sisters abstract concepts?
Is "sisters" a metaphor?
Case #35
They were three sisters. One died in an accident. Another died in a war, tending to the wounded. The third lived a long life. What were their names?
Yes
No
Were these sisters real human beings?
Is the answer some play on words?
Is this anything to do with Greek mythology?
Are they characters from some work of fiction or legend?
Was one of the sisters named Mercy?
Faith, Hope and Love?
Are the sisters aliens?
Are the sisters animals?
Are the sisters abstract concepts?
Is "sisters" a metaphor? (No, not under the definition of metaphor)
Are the sisters nuns?
Are the sisters a life form that can be found on earth?
Are the sisters astronomical objects? (As in residing in outer space, not enormous!) :grin:
Are they literally sisters?
Case #35
They were three sisters. One died in an accident. Another died in a war, tending to the wounded. The third lived a long life. What were their names?
Yes
Is "sisters" a metaphor? (Yes, "sisters" is a figure of speech)
No
Were these sisters real human beings?
Is the answer some play on words?
Is this anything to do with Greek mythology?
Are they characters from some work of fiction or legend?
Was one of the sisters named Mercy?
Faith, Hope and Love?
Are the sisters aliens?
Are the sisters animals?
Are the sisters abstract concepts?
Are the sisters nuns?
Are the sisters a life form that can be found on earth?
Are the sisters astronomical objects?
Are they literally sisters? (No, not as in the most common usage of "sisters")
As you can see, I have flip-flopped on the "metaphor" question as I did find a convoluted way of thinking about it where the term metaphor could apply. In any case, and to avoid confusion: "sisters" is a figure of speech.
Were their names Titanic, Britannic and Olympic?
Are the sisters companies, businesses, countries or some other type of organization?
Are the sisters vehicles, machines or machine parts?
(For the record, if the three are not female offspring who all share at least one biological parent, I would say "sisters" is a metaphor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_metaphor).)
I bet Riaise has it. that makes total sense.
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 30/05/2017 14:51:22
(For the record, if the three are not female offspring who all share at least one biological parent, I would say "sisters" is a metaphor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_metaphor).)
Yes, true. The confusing point for me was that they are called "sister ships" as a common term in the English language, but yes, the initial coinage of this term is a metaphor to describe the relationship of the ships, so I found it hard to qualify it as just common language or a metaphor, but in the long run it was a metaphor. Sorry for the confusion on my part. I just decided to go with the safe ground of "a figure of speech".
So, we probably all know by now that Riaise has won the round!!! And well done! I had thought it might play out a tad longer, but someone knows their history!
SolutionThree sister ships:
The Titanic which sank because of an accidental collision with an iceberg.
The Britannic which was refitted as a hospital ship during WWI but sank from hitting an enemy mine. Luckily it was not loaded with wounded at the time or the humanitarian disaster would have been enormous. Almost all of the crew was rescued.
The Olympic served for 24 years if I remember right, which was a long life for a ship launched in 1911, and also had the adventure of ramming and sinking a German U-Boat during WWI while outfitted as a troop carrier.Over to Riaise if she wants to host the next one...
Quote from: Mandle on Tue 30/05/2017 16:55:54someone knows their history!
Someone knows how to use Wikipedia! (laugh) It was the figure of speech clue that did it. I immediately thought of sister ships, and I knew that Titanic had a sister ship that also sunk, but I hadn't known about the Olympic. So this thread is educational as well as fun! :-D
OK, I'll give the next case a go. This is adapted from an episode of a TV show, so hopefully it will work for this game.
Case #36A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
YesNo
Is the parrot relevant to the case?
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
how?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died?
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
is the bird alive?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
* Yes and no.
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
* Yes and no.
Has he been murdered?
Did the killer know the father?
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot or would any bird give the same results?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
* Yes and no.
The answer to one of these questions is not as simple as it appears. ;)
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved?
* Yes and no.
-was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
Was poison used?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
is the killer an animal?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
* Yes and no.
I've added a note to one of the previous questions, just to clarify a point. It felt a bit unfair to throw it in the 'no' pile with no explanation.
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges? (I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
* Yes and no.
You're missing an element which is making it difficult for me decide how to answer some of these questions. ;)
Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges? (I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)
Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside? (But stick with this thought...)
* Yes and no.
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder?
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges? (I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)
Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder? (Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)
did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside? (But stick with this thought...)
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
* Yes and no.
Hmm... just had a thought...
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges? (I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)
Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder? (Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)
did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside? (But stick with this thought...)
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
* Yes and no.
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges? (I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)
Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder? (Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)
did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire? (Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside? (But stick with this thought...)
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
* Yes and no.
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
If not, questions:
Was tear gas used?
Case #36
A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yes
is the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges? (I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)
Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder? (Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)
did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire? (Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)
No
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside? (But stick with this thought...)
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
Was tear gas used?
* Yes and no.
Was the father punched?
did he die of chock?
Was the man's house higher up than a second floor apartment?
Did the man fall to his death?
Was the man blind?
Did the killers rearrange his furniture so that he mistook a different door for his front door?
Case #36A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yesis the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges?
(I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder?
(Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire?
(Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)Was the man's house higher up than a second floor apartment?
(Not really, but he was above the ground floor, so this is close enough)Did the man fall to his death?
Was the man blind?
NoSpoiler
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside?
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
Was tear gas used?
Was the father punched?
did he die of chock?
(I think you mean choke, but correct me if I'm wrong :))Did the killers rearrange his furniture so that he mistook a different door for his front door?
* Yes and no.
Did the man think he was leaving through the ground floor door but actually was exiting higher up?
Were the killers his relatives?
Were the killers trying to inherit the man's estate?
Case #36A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yesis the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges?
(I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder?
(Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire?
(Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)Was the man's house higher up than a second floor apartment?
(Not really, but he was above the ground floor, so this is close enough)Did the man fall to his death?
Was the man blind?
Were the killers his relatives?
Were the killers trying to inherit the man's estate?
NoSpoiler
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside?
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
Was tear gas used?
Was the father punched?
did he die of shock?
Did the killers rearrange his furniture so that he mistook a different door for his front door?
Did the man think he was leaving through the ground floor door but actually was exiting higher up?
* Yes and no.
I meant shock, as in someone scared him to death... but guess that already a no with the heart attack. :-[
Seems like we're only really missing the motive...
Or not, since Mandle seems to have discovered the motive now. (nod)
So, put it as a solution now.
Oh, sorry. Yes, shocked to death would be in the 'no' list. I think there's still a little bit to work out, but if you check the clues carefully and put them all together then you should get a pretty good idea of what happened. (nod)
Was the daughter who found him the intended recipient of the inheritance?
Was the parrot itself the inheritance?
Was the house he was found outside a long way from his own residence?
Were the killers his grandchildren?
Was the man rich?
Case #36A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yesis the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges?
(I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder?
(Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire?
(Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)Was the man's house higher up than a second floor apartment?
(Not really, but he was above the ground floor, so this is close enough)Did the man fall to his death?
Was the man blind?
Were the killers his relatives?
Were the killers trying to inherit the man's estate?
Was the daughter who found him the intended recipient of the inheritance?
Was the man rich?
NoSpoiler
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside?
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
Was tear gas used?
Was the father punched?
did he die of shock?
Did the killers rearrange his furniture so that he mistook a different door for his front door?
Did the man think he was leaving through the ground floor door but actually was exiting higher up?
Was the parrot itself the inheritance?
Was the house he was found outside a long way from his own residence?
Were the killers his grandchildren?
* Yes and no.
Did the man had more than one child?
Case #36A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yesis the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges?
(I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder?
(Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire?
(Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)Was the man's house higher up than a second floor apartment?
(Not really, but he was above the ground floor, so this is close enough)Did the man fall to his death?
Was the man blind?
Were the killers his relatives?
Were the killers trying to inherit the man's estate?
Was the daughter who found him the intended recipient of the inheritance?
Was the man rich?
NoSpoiler
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside?
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
Was tear gas used?
Was the father punched?
did he die of shock?
Did the killers rearrange his furniture so that he mistook a different door for his front door?
Did the man think he was leaving through the ground floor door but actually was exiting higher up?
Was the parrot itself the inheritance?
Was the house he was found outside a long way from his own residence?
Were the killers his grandchildren?
Did the man had more than one child?
* Yes and no.
Did the daughter live in the same house as the father?
Did the man used to be a miner?
Was the man paranoid about gas leaks?
Was the parrot dead?
Did the killer kill the parrot to make the man think there was a gas leak?
Did the man jump from an upstairs window/balcony/etc. thinking the house was about to explode?
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 03/06/2017 21:09:59
Did the man used to be a miner?
Was the man paranoid about gas leaks?
Was the parrot dead?
Did the killer kill the parrot to make the man think there was a gas leak?
Did the man jump from an upstairs window/balcony/etc. thinking the house was about to explode?
Is this the same Mandle that introduced the no-more-than-3-questions rule? (laugh)
Quote from: CaptainD on Sat 03/06/2017 21:18:06
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 03/06/2017 21:09:59
Did the man used to be a miner?
Was the man paranoid about gas leaks?
Was the parrot dead?
Did the killer kill the parrot to make the man think there was a gas leak?
Did the man jump from an upstairs window/balcony/etc. thinking the house was about to explode?
Is this the same Mandle that introduced the no-more-than-3-questions rule? (laugh)
Are you trying to say what's good for the goose something-something? Sorry, you mumbled, and I couldn't catch the rest... :-D
Case #36A woman comes home one night to find her elderly father laying dead outside their home. Beside him is his beloved pet parrot, still in it's cage. What happened and why?
Yesis the bird alive?
Did the father die outside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Has he been murdered?*
Did the killer know the father?
would any bird give the same results?
was it the father that took the bird cage outside?
was the killer a human?
is the father human?
Was the killer male?
Was the killer female?
Would the killer face criminal charges?
(I don't know for certain, actually, but I'm fairly sure they would.)Is the parrot actually a natural bird, and not some sort of robot?
Is more than one person responsible for the death?
Did the killer(s) trick the man into believing that staying inside was unsafe?
Did the killers go with the intention of committing murder?
(Kind of. It's difficult to answer this one directly.)did the killers tricked the father into leaving the house with the bird?
Did the father think he was saving their pet bird because he thought it was unsafe inside?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Did he die from blunt force trauma?
Did the killers used smoke to pretend there was a fire?
(Not in the original story, but this works just as well.)Was the man's house higher up than a second floor apartment?
(Not really, but he was above the ground floor, so this is close enough)Did the man fall to his death?
Was the man blind?
Were the killers his relatives?
Were the killers trying to inherit the man's estate?
Was the daughter who found him the intended recipient of the inheritance?
Was the man rich?
Did the daughter live in the same house as the father?
Did the man jump from an upstairs window/balcony/etc. thinking the house was about to explode?
(Maybe not explode, but near enough)NoSpoiler
Is the parrot relevant to the case? (It is relevant in that it may help to work out what happened, but is not actually a part of the case itself)
Did he die of natural causes?
Was he in for an accident?
Did the parrot do it?
Were burglars in the house?
Did the parrot say something that made the father go outside while carrying the bird with him?
Did the bird repeat something it had heard when the man died? (Theoretically this could have happened afterwards, but it's not part of the case as it is)
Did the bird repeat the killer's name?
Did the bird repeat something that was incriminating to the killer?
Did they die of carbon monoxide?
Did the father die inside?
Was another person responsible for his death?*
Did the parrot speak (or make some other noise) that caused the man's death?
Did he die of a heart attack?
Did the parrot say something that caused another person to react in some way?
Did someone hear something the parrot said and take it the wrong way?
Was a neighbor involved?
Has he been murdered?*
Had the house been set on fire?
Did he die from smoke inhalation by rescuing the pet parrot?
Is it relevant that the bird was a parrot?
Did he die outside because of the cold?
Did he die outside because of some poison / pollutant in the air?
Was schizophrenia involved?
Was Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder) involved?
Was dementia involved? (Not dementia specifically, but an elderly man could become easily confused)
Was poison used?
is the killer an animal?
Was there any damage done to the home?
Did the murder take place during the day?
Did the man die from exposure from being outside?
Did the man think he was inside his house?
Did the "killer" do something to trick the man into thinking he was inside?
Was this a robbery gone wrong?
Was there a fake gas leak involved?
Was their home a boat of some kind?
Did the father think the house was haunted?
Were the killers' intent solely to kill the man?*
Were they robbing him?
Was the man killed using a weapon of sorts?
Did he fall down the stairs?
Was a greedy land developer wanting the home for a project he was working on and the guy wouldn't sell so he hired some guys to make him evacuate the home.
Was tear gas used?
Was the father punched?
did he die of shock?
Did the killers rearrange his furniture so that he mistook a different door for his front door?
Did the man think he was leaving through the ground floor door but actually was exiting higher up?
Was the parrot itself the inheritance?
Was the house he was found outside a long way from his own residence?
Were the killers his grandchildren?
Did the man had more than one child?
Did the man used to be a miner?
Was the man paranoid about gas leaks?
Was the parrot dead?
Did the killer kill the parrot to make the man think there was a gas leak?
* Yes and no.
OK, Mandle's got the cause of death, so I'll just clarify something for those who want to see how it fits with my previous answers.
Spoiler
The man was partly responsible for his own death by jumping out of the window, so while many of you assumed that there was more than one killer, one of them was actually the man himself. I hope that wasn't too confusing, but I thought that was the best way to answer.
You're
so close now. Just put all the previous 'yes' answers together and you're there!
Solution:
The man's child wanted his inheritence and so tricked him into thinking the house was on fire. This made the man jump from the upper floor which killed him. The child wanted it to look like a suicide but a clever detective figured it out. Why would the man commit suicide while carrying his pet bird? He must have been trying to save himself and the bird from a perceived threat to their lives.
EDIT: I think that's about it. I was so focused on what the bird was all about, and then realised it was the clue that would show the police that "fowl" play ( 8-) ) was involved... WHich I know we were already told, but I was a dumb :-D
Yes! Mandle Holmes solves the case! (laugh)
The original version was that the daughter had made a recording of the sound of a fire, with her own voice telling her father that he couldn't get out, he would have to jump but that they would catch him. I hope the answers I gave weren't too misleading, as I said before, because technically the man caused his own death, but his daughter was the one responsible for it.
Over to you, Mandle! ;-D
Cool mystery, Riaise! You say it's from a TV show; do you remember which?
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it, for a while there I thought it might be a bit too contrived to guess. The show was Jonathan Creek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Creek), and this mystery was from the episode The Tailor's Dummy. :)
Yeah, that was fun! Good choice!
I'll put on my thinking cap... :=
Case #37
Many letters were sent to try to halt the execution, but were in vain. The execution went ahead. Why was the man executed?
Yes
No
Had he blown up the post office?
Had the man committed a crime?
Were the letters all sent from different people?
Does this case take place more than 100 years ago?
Case #37
Many letters were sent to try to halt the execution, but were in vain. The execution went ahead. Why was the man executed?
Yes
Were the letters all sent from different people?
No
Had he blown up the post office? (No, but how ironic would that be?!)
Had the man committed a crime?
Does this case take place more than 100 years ago?
Was the man a political prisoner?
Did the letters reach the intended destination?
Was this a real execution, as in a man was killed?
Was the execution ordered by the legal system?
Case #37
Many letters were sent to try to halt the execution, but were in vain. The execution went ahead. Why was the man executed?
Yes
Were the letters all sent from different people?
Did the letters reach the intended destination?
No
Had he blown up the post office? (No, but how ironic would that be?!)
Had the man committed a crime?
Does this case take place more than 100 years ago?
Was the man a political prisoner?
Was this a real execution, as in a man was killed?
Was the execution ordered by the legal system?
Was the man human?
Was the letters "Email"?
Was "the man" a name of a computer program that was executed on a computer?
Case #37
Many letters were sent to try to halt the execution, but were in vain. The execution went ahead. Why was the man executed?
YES
Were the letters all sent from different people?
Did the letters reach the intended destination?
Was the man human? *
NO
Had he blown up the post office? (No, but how ironic would that be?!)
Had the man committed a crime?
Does this case take place more than 100 years ago?
Was the man a political prisoner?
Was this a real execution, as in a man was killed?
Was the execution ordered by the legal system?
Was the man human? *
Was the letters "Email"?
Was "the man" a name of a computer program that was executed on a computer?
* YES and NO
Hmm... a thought... was this man playing a character on a TV show?
what has me confused right now is How can "was the man human" be yes and no and was this a real execution as in a man was killed. Oh well
Questions:
did the letters go through the postal system?
was the man a robot?
was the use of "executed" similar to the use of executing a program?
Case #37
Many letters were sent to try to halt the execution, but were in vain. The execution went ahead. Why was the man executed?
YES
Were the letters all sent from different people?
Did the letters reach the intended destination?
Was the man human? *
NO
Had he blown up the post office? (No, but how ironic would that be?!)
Had the man committed a crime?
Does this case take place more than 100 years ago?
Was the man a political prisoner?
Was this a real execution, as in a man was killed?
Was the execution ordered by the legal system?
Was the man human? *
Was the letters "Email"?
Was "the man" a name of a computer program that was executed on a computer?
was this man playing a character on a TV show?
did the letters go through the postal system?
was the man a robot?
was the use of "executed" similar to the use of executing a program?
* YES and NO
Solution: A game of Hangman is being played. Many letters i.e. alphabets were sent by the participants to guess the word, but they were all incorrect. Thus, the figure / man was executed i.e. hanged.
Quote from: Adeel on Tue 06/06/2017 01:08:51
Solution: A game of Hangman is being played. Many letters i.e. alphabets were sent by the participants to guess the word, but they were all incorrect. Thus, the figure / man was executed i.e. hanged.
BINGO!And well done indeed Adeel!!!
It was a game of hangman being played in a classroom where each student takes a turn to guess a letter of the alphabet. The class couldn't figure out the puzzle in time and the man was hanged.
The reason why I said "YES and NO" to "Is the man human?" is that YES: He is depicted as a human in the game, and NO: He is just a drawing on a blackboard.
If the question had been "Is the man a real human being?" I would have merely answered "NO".
Over to you Adeel if you want the next round!
Haha nice one Mandle.
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 06/06/2017 08:28:18
Haha nice one Mandle.
Cheers... And I would have gotten away with it a bit longer too, if not for
you pesky kids that clever Adeel!
Thanks, Mandle! All credit goes to the people who asked the right questions. I just put two and two together.
If anyone has a case, feel free to share.
Case #38
He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?
YES
NO
Was he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
PS. You have "many going to to their". Might want to remove one of the "tos"
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
Case #38
He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?
YES
NO
Was he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
@dayowlron - Thanks for catching the typo, corrected! I've also slightly updated the wording to avoid any ambiguity.
Does He refer to Helium?
Is he a deity?
Does he refer to Dobby the House Elf of Harry Potter universe?
Is the male "he" pronoun important?
Is "he" an inanimate object?
Is "he" very small?
Case #38
He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?
YES
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
NO
Was he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
Does He refer to Helium? Is "he" very small? *No but I like your way of thinking!
Is he a deity?
Does he refers to Dobby the House Elf in Harry Potter?
Is the male "he" pronoun important? *In fact, it's not necessarily a "he", I just used that for but it could just as easily be a "she". In the context of this clue it's kind of hard to tell the gender of the creature in question.
Is "he" an inanimate object?
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a tissue box?
Is he smaller than a matchbox?
Is he smaller than a box?
Case #38
He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?
YES
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a box? *In real life#
Is he smaller than a tissue box? *In real life#
NO
Was he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
Does He refer to Helium? Is "he" very small? *No but I like your way of thinking!
Is he a deity?
Does he refers to Dobby the House Elf in Harry Potter?
Is the male "he" pronoun important? *In fact, it's not necessarily a "he", I just used that for but it could just as easily be a "she". In the context of this clue it's kind of hard to tell the gender of the creature in question.
Is "he" an inanimate object?
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a matchbox? *In real life #
#In order to not be misleading,. I have answered Mandle's questions about scale as if this were the real-life creature. In the context of the environment it finds itself in, these may not represent an accurate reflection of the creature's perceived size.
Is he a lemming?
Did he die from the same condition the others he saved would have died from?
Is he a vaccine?
Case #38
He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?
YES
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a box? *In real life#
Is he smaller than a tissue box? *In real life#
Is he a lemming? *Yes and No
NO
Was he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
Does He refer to Helium? Is "he" very small? *No but I like your way of thinking!
Is he a deity?
Does he refers to Dobby the House Elf in Harry Potter?
Is the male "he" pronoun important? *In fact, it's not necessarily a "he", I just used that for but it could just as easily be a "she". In the context of this clue it's kind of hard to tell the gender of the creature in question.
Is "he" an inanimate object?
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a matchbox? *In real life #
Is he a lemming? *Yes and No
Did he die from the same condition the others he saved would have died from?
Is he a vaccine?
#In order to not be misleading,. I have answered Mandle's questions about scale as if this were the real-life creature. In the context of the environment it finds itself in, these may not represent an accurate reflection of the creature's perceived size.
Quote from: dayowlron on Tue 06/06/2017 18:45:56
Is he a lemming?
We may have a winner here I feel!
EDIT: Perhaps not then...
Was he the hamster from Maniac Mansion and/or Day Of The Tentacle?
Quote from: Mandle on Tue 06/06/2017 18:52:49
Quote from: dayowlron on Tue 06/06/2017 18:45:56
Is he a lemming?
We may have a winner here I feel!
EDIT: Perhaps not then...
Was he the hamster from Maniac Mansion and/or Day Of The Tentacle?
Guessing it's a Lemming (in some form) is a massive step towards solving this one... and your guess is, in a sense, also getting close (even though it's wrong). Think that should be enough of a clue to be going on with!
Case #38He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?YESIs "he" very small?
*Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.Is he smaller than a box? *In real life#
Is he smaller than a tissue box? *In real life#
Is he a lemming? *Yes and No
NOWas he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
Does He refer to Helium? Is "he" very small?
*No but I like your way of thinking!Is he a deity?
Does he refers to Dobby the House Elf in Harry Potter?
Is the male "he" pronoun important?
*In fact, it's not necessarily a "he", I just used that for but it could just as easily be a "she". In the context of this clue it's kind of hard to tell the gender of the creature in question.Is "he" an inanimate object?
Is "he" very small?
*Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.Is he smaller than a matchbox? *In real life #
Is he a lemming? *Yes and No
Did he die from the same condition the others he saved would have died from?
Is he a vaccine?
Was he the hamster from Maniac Mansion and/or Day Of The Tentacle?
#In order to not be misleading,. I have answered Mandle's questions about scale as if this were the real-life creature. In the context of the environment it finds itself in, these may not represent an accurate reflection of the creature's perceived size.
Did "he" lived in a computer game?
Was "he" ordered to stop the others from falling to their death... and then exploded?
Case #38
He prevented many from going to their deaths, but even though he himself was not in danger, he did not survive. What happened?
YES
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a box? *In real life#
Is he smaller than a tissue box? *In real life#
Is he a lemming? *Yes and No
Did "he" lived in a computer game?
Was "he" ordered to stop the others from falling to their death... and then exploded?
NO
Was he a governor who pardoned a lot of people?
Was he human?
Is this based on a real case?
Was he the flippers on a pinball machine?
Did this case take place during WWII?
Were his initials JFK?
Does He refer to Helium? Is "he" very small? *No but I like your way of thinking!
Is he a deity?
Does he refers to Dobby the House Elf in Harry Potter?
Is the male "he" pronoun important? *In fact, it's not necessarily a "he", I just used that for but it could just as easily be a "she". In the context of this clue it's kind of hard to tell the gender of the creature in question.
Is "he" an inanimate object?
Is "he" very small? *Depends on your definition of "very small". In the context of this clue it's difficult to give an objective answer to this question.
Is he smaller than a matchbox? *In real life #
Is he a lemming? *Yes and No
Did he die from the same condition the others he saved would have died from?
Is he a vaccine?
Was he the hamster from Maniac Mansion and/or Day Of The Tentacle?
#In order to not be misleading,. I have answered Mandle's questions about scale as if this were the real-life creature. In the context of the environment it finds itself in, these may not represent an accurate reflection of the creature's perceived size.
Cassie's unlocked the rest of the puzzle, or near enough anyway. In the game Lemmings, you can place Blockers to prevent your lemmmings from falling to their death / going headlong into a trap. The blocker is not actually in danger as a result of staying still and away from the danger, but unfortunately the only way you can then stop that lemming remaining on the level (therefore preventing you from completing that level) is by making him / her explode! (Never was sure if the lemmings were meant to be male, female, a mixture of androgynous!)
Well done dayowlron for identifying the creature as a Lemming, I hope my answer wasn't misleading but "yes" it was a lemming and "no" it was actually a computer character. If you see what I mean.
Removed (I thought the case was still open)
New case, Cassie?
I don't have any, and dayowlron identified the Lemming... doubt I would have figured it out other wise. (roll)
OK, I will post a case in a little bit.
Case #39
A couple's car breaks down on the road. The man locks the doors leaving the woman in the car alone. When he returns, the woman was dead, a stranger was in the car and there was no sign of anyone breaking into the car. What happened?
YES
NO
Was the stranger a baby?
Was the stranger a real human being?
Case #39
A couple's car breaks down on the road. The man locks the doors leaving the woman in the car alone. When he returns, the woman was dead, a stranger was in the car and there was no sign of anyone breaking into the car. What happened?
YES
Was the stranger a baby?
Was the stranger a real human being?
NO
I think this will be a short one.
Solution: The woman was pregnant and died during childbirth while the man was away.
I think credit goes to Tabata for this one.
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 07/06/2017 23:29:59
Solution: The woman was pregnant and died during childbirth while the man was away.
I think credit goes to Tabata for this one.
agreed, Tabata over to u or Mandle
Oops, sorry - I just posted the first that came to my mind after reading the case since I had a connection. :-[
Please Mandle serve us one of your tricky specials. I don't know when I can go online again these days. (wtf)
If you don't have one we could give it free for someone who wants but hasn't had the chance so far.;-D
Wow, I think that was the quickest solved case yet, wasn't it? Good thinking, Tabata! ;-D
Case #40
The police followed the killer's footprints across the snowy landscape, but then the tracks suddenly ended in the middle of nowhere. They never found the killer. How did the killer escape?
YES
NO
did he walk backwards in his same footprints until he got to a point with no snow?
did he get airlifted out somehow?
would it help us to know who he killed?
Did the killer fall through ice?
Did the snow melt?
Did the killer escape alive?
Was the killer human?
Was there a cliff?
Did the killer escape using a jetpack?
Was the killer eaten by a dragon?
Case #40
The police followed the killer's footprints across the snowy landscape, but then the tracks suddenly ended in the middle of nowhere. They never found the killer. How did the killer escape?
YES
Did the killer escape alive?
Was the killer human?
NO
did he walk backwards in his same footprints until he got to a point with no snow?
did he get airlifted out somehow?
would it help us to know who he killed?
Did the killer fall through ice?
Did the snow melt?
Was there a cliff?
Did the killer escape using a jetpack?
Was the killer eaten by a dragon?
Did the killer escape into the air?
Did the killer escape into the ground?
Did the killer change his mode of locomotion?
Case #40
The police followed the killer's footprints across the snowy landscape, but then the tracks suddenly ended in the middle of nowhere. They never found the killer. How did the killer escape?
YES
Did the killer escape alive?
Was the killer human?
NO
did he walk backwards in his same footprints until he got to a point with no snow?
did he get airlifted out somehow?
would it help us to know who he killed?
Did the killer fall through ice?
Did the snow melt?
Was there a cliff?
Did the killer escape using a jetpack?
Was the killer eaten by a dragon?
Did the killer escape into the air?
Did the killer escape into the ground?
Did the killer change his mode of locomotion?
Was the killer a wizard? If yes, did he disapparate?
Case #40
The police followed the killer's footprints across the snowy landscape, but then the tracks suddenly ended in the middle of nowhere. They never found the killer. How did the killer escape?
YES
Did the killer escape alive?
Was the killer human?
NO
did he walk backwards in his same footprints until he got to a point with no snow?
did he get airlifted out somehow?
would it help us to know who he killed?
Did the killer fall through ice?
Did the snow melt?
Was there a cliff?
Did the killer escape using a jetpack?
Was the killer eaten by a dragon?
Did the killer escape into the air?
Did the killer escape into the ground?
Did the killer change his mode of locomotion?
Was the killer a wizard? If yes, did he disapparate?
Where these the actual footprints of the killer or did he fake them somehow?
Case #40
The police followed the killer's footprints across the snowy landscape, but then the tracks suddenly ended in the middle of nowhere. They never found the killer. How did the killer escape?
YES
Did the killer escape alive?
Was the killer human?
Were these the actual footprints of the killer?
NO
did he walk backwards in his same footprints until he got to a point with no snow?
did he get airlifted out somehow?
would it help us to know who he killed?
Did the killer fall through ice?
Did the snow melt?
Was there a cliff?
Did the killer escape using a jetpack?
Was the killer eaten by a dragon?
Did the killer escape into the air?
Did the killer escape into the ground?
Did the killer change his mode of locomotion?
Was the killer a wizard? If yes, did he disapparate?
Did he escape through time?
Was it a bear? sorry - didn't read carefully
Is it a fictional case?
Case #40
The police followed the killer's footprints across the snowy landscape, but then the tracks suddenly ended in the middle of nowhere. They never found the killer. How did the killer escape?
YES
Did the killer escape alive?
Was the killer human?
Were these the actual footprints of the killer?
Is it a fictional case? (Yes, I made it up)
NO
did he walk backwards in his same footprints until he got to a point with no snow?
did he get airlifted out somehow?
would it help us to know who he killed?
Did the killer fall through ice?
Did the snow melt?
Was there a cliff?
Did the killer escape using a jetpack?
Was the killer eaten by a dragon?
Did the killer escape into the air?
Did the killer escape into the ground?
Did the killer change his mode of locomotion?
Was the killer a wizard? If yes, did he disapparate?
Did he escape through time?
Did the killer just keep walking across non-snowy ground?
Had later snow covered up the tracks?
Were the footprints made in the order the police believed? (so that those where they "ended" were the last ones made)
Was the killer still in the vicinity when the police reached the end of the footsteps?
Quote from: Snarky on Fri 09/06/2017 10:53:51
Did the killer just keep walking across non-snowy ground?
WINNER!!!Hehe... I just knew as soon as I saw Snarky's name as last poster that he would probably have the answer:
Solution: The killer reached the point where the snow cover ended and he continued on his way, leaving no trail for the police to follow further.I attempted something a bit risky this time around:
I tried to make a riddle like the famous "man lying on the railroad tracks" one, where the answer is incredibly simple, but the question's wording paints a picture in the reader's mind which might be not entirely accurate, but still have no falsehoods in the question.
This is easier said than done, but I guess I succeeded a little bit because the answer wasn't instantly busted.
The riddle is supposed to paint the image in the reader's mind that the tracks end abruptly in the middle of a vast snowy area. The riddle never actually says that, but some of the wording is supposed to suggest that image.
The "man lying on the railroad tracks" is a similar type of riddle:
Spoiler
"A man wearing all black clothing was lying on a railroad track. There were no lights near the railroad track, nor was there a moon out. The train itself did not have its headlight turned on, but the train driver saw the man in time to stop the train. How is this possible?"Obviously the answer is:
Spoiler
It was daytime.
But the wording of the riddle is designed to conjure up an image of a
Spoiler
night-time scene
Over to you Snarky!
;-D
Being literal-minded is useful when it comes to coding, and apparently certain types of riddles. :-D
OK, here's one in a somewhat different style:
Case #41: Letter from a Ghost
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Since this case is more narrative, let's try it where you don't necessarily need to keep all questions to yes/no format â€" for these questions, I'll write the answers narratively.
Okay so to start with...
What time was on the pocket watch?
How old was the daughter?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
No...
OtherWhat time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time.
How old was the daughter?
-She was 12.
Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Was what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?OtherWhat time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time.
How old was the daughter?
-She was 12.
Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination.(For the yes/no questions you get the usual omniscient answers, but for open-ended questions I will only answer what the police would be able to discover by following the line of investigation suggested, based on known facts. So it is possible in theory that some other person knew the combination, but the investigation so far doesn't make it possible to confirm that.)
Edit: The reason for this is that otherwise you could just ask "Who killed Arnold Kiesler?" or some similar question and solve the case immediately.
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned? [The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?OtherWhat time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time.
How old was the daughter?
-She was 12.
Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination.
Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated.
What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
OtherWhat time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time.
How old was the daughter?
-She was 12.
Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination.
Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated.
What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night.
Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
Did the drunkard have nay connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family? [No connection prior to this case, no]OtherWhat time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time.
How old was the daughter?
-She was 12.
Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination.
Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated.
What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night.
Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler)
What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten.
Do the employees have alibis?
Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?Other- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period.
What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
What is the disease of the daughter?
What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
Did Arnold Kesler have a twin brother?
Good questions, Tabata! The answers offer a couple of indirect clues...
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?Other- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year.
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year.
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year.
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murdered in by opening a door or window?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year.
I've got to admit that now that I have to think over some of the details more carefully, some of them don't totally make sense, or at least require pretty far-fetched explanations. And the case has some red herrings, some that are deliberate and some that were introduced accidentally. Sorry about that!
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year.
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Was the "ghost" the killer?
Was the "ghost" an adult?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer? [Sort of...]
Was the "ghost" an adult?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year.
Was the ghost a male?
Did she recognize the ghost?
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer?
[Sort of...]Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost? [She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?Other- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
(just trying to figure out why she would call it a ghost (roll) ).
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night?
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
(* Yes and no)
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer?
[Sort of...]Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam? [In part]NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost?
[She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*Other- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
(* Yes and no)
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer?
[Sort of...]Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam?
[In part]Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost?
[She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night?
[But why would there be?]Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?Other- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 11/06/2017 14:11:10Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
I thought perhaps if someone had been pretending to be a ghost to scare her they might have dropped something or left a footprint. I mean, I don't know
why they would be wanting to scare a little girl, I'm grasping at straws, here. :P
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did the ghost spoke to the daughter?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?
I think it's almost solved:
Arnold had been cheating on his taxes or insider-trading or some other nastiness and knew he was about to get caught. The bearer-bonds were the illicit fortune he had hoarded. When caught, he would go to jail, and his family would be destitute and dishonoured. So he formed a plan to fake a robbery and his own murder. The robbery was so that he could dispose of the bearer-bonds (in the fireplace) and this would explain the empty safe to the police. His own murder was staged for the insurance money so that his family would be provided for after his death. He gave the watch to the drunk to provide a suspect for the robbery and murder.
Maybe all that is left is explaining the ghost, and how he inflicted the wound on himself and where he hid the weapon... I'm thinking these two might be connected so:
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Actually I had another thought:
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Actually, I was thinking he went to the daughter's room to "say goodbye" by seeing her one last time, before killing himself... but of course, that depends if he did kill himself or not. (roll)
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 11/06/2017 23:21:53
I think it's almost solved:
Arnold had been cheating on his taxes or insider-trading or some other nastiness and knew he was about to get caught. The bearer-bonds were the illicit fortune he had hoarded. When caught, he would go to jail, and his family would be destitute and dishonoured. So he formed a plan to fake a robbery and his own murder. The robbery was so that he could dispose of the bearer-bonds (in the fireplace) and this would explain the empty safe to the police. His own murder was staged for the insurance money so that his family would be provided for after his death. He gave the watch to the drunk to provide a suspect for the robbery and murder.
You are getting very close, but a few key details are still wrong or missing (some of which may be addressed in the latest answers).
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 11/06/2017 23:53:38
Actually, I was thinking he went to the daughter's room to "say goodbye" by seeing her one last time, before killing himself... but of course, that depends if he did kill himself or not. (roll)
Correct! Almost... :-D
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer?
[Sort of...]Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam?
[In part]Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost?
[She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night?
[But why would there be?]Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye?
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer?
[Sort of...]Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam?
[In part]Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*NoWas what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned?
[The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family?
[No connection prior to this case, no]Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost?
[She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night?
[But why would there be?]Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye? [It was the daughter he said goodbye to, not the wife]
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could? [Not exactly...]
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?OtherSpoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
Was it the real Arnold Kiesler that got murdered?
Did Mr. Kiesler inflict the wound on himself with the scalpel?
Did he go to his daughter's room to say he was sorry?
Was his wife in on the plan?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas it the real Arnold Kiesler that got murdered?
Did he go to his daughter's room to say he was sorry?
[I guess; saying goodbye generally, anyway]Spoiler
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer? [Sort of...]
Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam? [In part]
Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did Mr. Kiesler inflict the wound on himself with the scalpel?
Was his wife in on the plan?
Spoiler
Was what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned? [The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family? [No connection prior to this case, no]
Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost? [She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye? [It was the daughter he said goodbye to, not the wife]
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could? [Not exactly...]
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?
Spoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
[/quote]
Did a female kill Mr Kiesler?
Did whoever killed Kiesler take the bearer bonds and hide them as part of the plan?
Were the bearer bonds ever found?
Were any of the police in on the plan?
Were any of the servants in on the plan?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas it the real Arnold Kiesler that got murdered?
Did he go to his daughter's room to say he was sorry?
[I guess; saying goodbye generally, anyway]Spoiler
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer? [Sort of...]
Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam? [In part]
Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did Mr. Kiesler inflict the wound on himself with the scalpel?
Was his wife in on the plan?
Did a female kill Mr Kiesler?
Did whoever killed Kiesler take the bearer bonds and hide them as part of the plan?
Were the bearer bonds ever found?
Were any of the police in on the plan?
Were any of the servants in on the plan?Spoiler
Was what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned? [The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family? [No connection prior to this case, no]
Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost? [She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye? [It was the daughter he said goodbye to, not the wife]
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could? [Not exactly...]
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?
Spoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
Was the drunk in on the plan?
Was the stab wound the cause of death?
Was someone involved who hasn't been mentioned yet?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas it the real Arnold Kiesler that got murdered?
Did he go to his daughter's room to say he was sorry?
[I guess; saying goodbye generally, anyway]Was the drunk in on the plan? [In part]
Was the stab wound the cause of death?Spoiler
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer? [Sort of...]
Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam? [In part]
Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did Mr. Kiesler inflict the wound on himself with the scalpel?
Was his wife in on the plan?
Did a female kill Mr Kiesler?
Did whoever killed Kiesler take the bearer bonds and hide them as part of the plan?
Were the bearer bonds ever found?
Were any of the police in on the plan?
Were any of the servants in on the plan?
Was someone involved who hasn't been mentioned yet?Spoiler
Was what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned? [The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family? [No connection prior to this case, no]
Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost? [She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye? [It was the daughter he said goodbye to, not the wife]
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could? [Not exactly...]
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?
Spoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
Was the drunk rewarded for his part in the plan?
Was the drunk ever in the house?
Was the drunk actually another person already mentioned?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas it the real Arnold Kiesler that got murdered?
Did he go to his daughter's room to say he was sorry?
[I guess; saying goodbye generally, anyway]Was the drunk in on the plan?
[In part]Was the stab wound the cause of death?
Was the drunk rewarded for his part in the plan?Spoiler
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer? [Sort of...]
Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam? [In part]
Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did Mr. Kiesler inflict the wound on himself with the scalpel?
Was his wife in on the plan?
Did a female kill Mr Kiesler?
Did whoever killed Kiesler take the bearer bonds and hide them as part of the plan?
Were the bearer bonds ever found?
Were any of the police in on the plan?
Were any of the servants in on the plan?
Was someone involved who hasn't been mentioned yet?
Was the drunk ever in the house?
Was the drunk actually another person already mentioned?Spoiler
Was what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned? [The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family? [No connection prior to this case, no]
Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost? [She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye? [It was the daughter he said goodbye to, not the wife]
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could? [Not exactly...]
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?
Spoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
Was the drunk's reward only the watch?
Was the drunk's reward money?
Was the drunk's reward bearer-bonds?
I'm so confused, I must be missing something here. The stab wound killed Arnold Kiesler, but it was not inflicted by himself, the male servant, or the doctor. He wasn't killed by a female and the drunk never entered the house.
Did the drunk stab Kiesler before he arrived home?
Case #41: Letter from a GhostSpoiler
When City financier Arnold Kiesler received a letter threatening that he would be murdered that night, he went to the police. Since he was a prominent businessman with many potential enemies, they took it seriously and agreed to arrange protection. That evening, cops took up position on the street corners all around his mansion (his daughter was sick, and so he didn't want them in the house to disturb her). Kiesler got home around seven. At ten, one of the cops noticed a suspicious person lurking around a side street. The man was apprehended and turned out to be a drunkard already known to the police. Upon being searched, he was found to be carrying an expensive pocket watch, which he refused to account for. He was taken to jail. At eleven, the last lights in the house were turned off as the household went to bed. The rest of the night, police did not see anyone come in or out of the house.
The next morning, Arnold Kiesler was found dead in his study, stabbed in the back. An autopsy put the time of death at around midnight, plus or minus two hours. There was no sign of the murder weapon. A safe in the room was open, and bearer bonds worth upwards of a quarter of a million pounds found to be missing. There was ash in the fireplace, showing that something had been burned there that night. A servant testified that he had last seen Kiesler alive at ten thirty, when he said goodnight. The pocket watch found on the drunk was identified as belonging to Kiesler. Kiesler's daughter gave a statement about a ghost coming into her bedroom that night, and that it somehow made her realize her father was about to die, but she couldn't say whether it was a dream.
Who killed Arnold Kiesler, how, and why?
(* Yes and no)
YesWas it the real Arnold Kiesler that got murdered?
Did he go to his daughter's room to say he was sorry?
[I guess; saying goodbye generally, anyway]Was the drunk in on the plan?
[In part]Was the stab wound the cause of death?
Was the drunk rewarded for his part in the plan?
Was the drunk's reward only the watch?*
Was the drunk's reward money?*
Did the drunk stab Kiesler before he arrived home?Spoiler
Was the girl's mother still alive?
Was the questioned servant ever present in the same room when Arnold opened the safe?
Is Mrs Kiesler the mother of the child?
Is the marriage intact?
Was the drunkard really drunk (at the time of murder)?
Did the daughter's symptoms include fugue states?
Was the "ghost" [that the daughter reported seeing] the killer? [Sort of...]
Was the "ghost" an adult?
Was the ghost a male?
Was the wound made with a knife?
Did Arnold Kiesler empty the contents of the safe himself?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Was Mr. Kiesler the "ghost"?
Did this start as an insurance scam? [In part]
Did Mr. Kiesler give the watch to the drunk in an attempt to frame him for the robbery?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to use the fake robbery to hide some sort of scandal?
Was Mr Kiesler working with someone else to fake the robbery?
Was Mr Kiesler supposed to die that night?
Does Mr Kiesler have financial problems?
Does Mr Kiesler have a life insurance policy?
Did the ghost speak to the daughter?
Did he commit suicide?*
Was the weapon a scalpel?
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did Mr. Kiesler inflict the wound on himself with the scalpel?
Was his wife in on the plan?
Did a female kill Mr Kiesler?
Did whoever killed Kiesler take the bearer bonds and hide them as part of the plan?
Were the bearer bonds ever found?
Were any of the police in on the plan?
Were any of the servants in on the plan?
Was someone involved who hasn't been mentioned yet?
Was the drunk ever in the house?
Was the drunk actually another person already mentioned?
Was the drunk's reward only the watch?*
Was the drunk's reward money?*
Was the drunk's reward bearer-bonds?Spoiler
Was what was burned in the fireplace a will that was taken from the safe?
Could the police ascertain from the ashes what had been burned? [The case takes place around 1930, when forensic science was less advanced]
Did the safe show any signs of being forced?
Did the drunkard have any connection to Arnold Kiesler or the family? [No connection prior to this case, no]
Does (at least) one of the employees know the drunkard?
Did Arnold Kiesler have a twin brother?
Did the daughter's symptoms include sleepwalking?
Could the stab wound have been done with the strength of a 12 year old girl?
Did the daughter witness the murder of her father during a fugue state?
Did the daughter leave her bed after sleeping?
Did the daughter talk with another person while in a fugue state?
Did the "cutting-edge" methods of the Swiss doctor include hypnosis?
Did the daughter let the murderer in by opening a door or window?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding the inheritance?
Was there any kind of dispute regarding Arnold Kiesler's own identity / genealogy?
Were any of the servants known to have financial difficulties?
Did the servant secretly observe the safe combination while the master was unlocking it at some point?
Were there any secret entrances into the mansion?
Did Kiesler have the pocket watch on him when he arrived home?
Were any of the kitchen knives missing?
Did she recognize the ghost? [She's unable to identify the ghost as a particular person]
Did she thought it was a ghost, cause the person in question was suppose to be dead?
Was the ghost glowing/emitting light in some way?
Was the ghost wearing white?
Was there any evidence of anyone entering Margaretha's room during the night? [But why would there be?]
Were there any secret doorways in the house?
Did Mr. Kiesler try to stage a fake robbery, including wounding himself, but it went wrong?*
Did Mr. Kiesler burn incriminating records in the fireplace?
Did someone find Mr Kiesler in the process of faking the robbery?
Is Mrs. Kiesler greedy?
Did Mr.Kiesler burnt the bearer bonds to pretend they had been stolen?
Did he commit suicide?*
Did he get the weapon from his daughter's room?
Did he put the weapon in his daughter's room?
Did he fake the bearer-bonds being burnt in the fireplace with normal papers?
Did he hide the bearer-bonds in his daughter's room?
Did he intend for the bearer-bonds to be found later by his family?
Was it the Swiss doctor who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the male servant who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was it the wife who made the wound with the scalpel?
Was Mrs.Kiesler scared when he went there to say goodbye? [It was the daughter he said goodbye to, not the wife]
Did she attack him because she didn't recognise him being her husband?
Had Mr Kiesler planned to kill himself, but someone else murdered him before he could? [Not exactly...]
Did whoever killed Kiesler steal the bearer bonds?*
Did whoever killed Kiesler burn the bearer bonds in the fireplace?
Spoiler
- What time was on the pocket watch?
-The watch was running and showing the correct time. - How old was the daughter?
-She was 12. - Who apart from Arnold Kiesler knew the combination for the safe?
-As far as the police could ascertain, only Kiesler's attorney. The servant denied knowing the combination. - Did the stab wound indicate that the attacker had been a professional killer?
-Hard to say. The entry point was quite precise, indicating some skill, but in a position that would not necessarily be fatal if treated. - What is Mrs Kiesler's alibi?
-In her telling, she only briefly saw her husband after he came home, before he went to his study. She checked on her daughter before going to bed, but otherwise slept in her own bedroom all night. - Did anyone else reside in the house aside from Mr and Mrs Kiesler, their daughter, and the servant?
-OK, these were the people known to have been present in the house that night:
-Mr. Arnold Kiesler
-Mrs. Arnold Kiesler (Desirée, his wife)
-Miss Margaretha Kiesler (daughter)
-Jennings (servant)
-Mrs. Lewis (cook)
-Catherine (maid)
-Fanny (sicknurse to Miss Kiesler) - What time did Mrs Kiesler go to bed?
-At around ten. - Do the employees have alibis?
-Yes, relatively solid ones. They all went to bed between ten thirty and eleven, Jennings being the last. For propriety, the door to the women's wing of the servants' quarters (essentially a side-corridor) was locked, with Mrs. Lewis keeping the key. Fanny slept in the room nearest to the main corridor, and as she was a light sleeper, claimed she would have heard if any of the other women, or Jennings, had gone past her room. So barring any collusion, they have alibis for this time period. - What did the drunkard tell about how he got the clock?
-He refused to provide any explanation whatsoever, even after he was charged with theft. - What is the disease of the daughter?
-A neurological condition that left her weak and susceptible to illness, and with occasional episodes similar to epileptic attacks. She required chronic care, and was under treatment of a famous Swiss physician using cutting-edge methods. - What is Mr. Kiesler's reputation as an employer / husband / father?
-Kiesler was by all accounts a devoted family man. His clients considered him a financial wizard who provided steady returns even at a time of economic crisis. The servants offered, after some prodding, that he was demanding and sometimes short-tempered with them, particularly in the last year. - Was Kiesler's study on the ground floor or an upper floor?
-Ground floor.
Spoiler
I think we might have the solution now:
Kiesler gave the watch to the drunk in exchange for a wound to his back with a scalpel which was not quite fatal enough for him to get back home, go to his daughter's room and say goodbye, and then retire forever to his study where he opened his safe and burned all the bearer-bonds in the fireplace. The bearer-bonds would have been taken from him by the courts in any case because of the financial scandal he was involved in. He was counting on the "murder" paying out the insurance money to his family to continue on with their lives. He faked the threatening letter to himself that called the police attention onto the case. But it was the daughter's testimony of the "ghost" in her room that tipped the police off to the fact that Arnold had planned the whole thing but couldn't resist a last goodbye.
Maybe?
That is correct with one exception:
He didn't burn the bearer bonds, but something else.
(Also, he made an arrangement with the drunk, where the watch was collateral and he was supposed to drop by that evening to exchange it for money, as a trap to frame him for the "murder".)
Did he burn the records that proved his scandal?
Nope.
Did he burn his will?
Nope.
(I'm pretty sure all of these have already been answered, BTW.)
Did he burn his daughter's medical records?
Did he burn the bloody bandages he had applied to his wound?
ooohhhh that second one seems right Mandle (nod)
Quote from: Mandle on Tue 13/06/2017 17:58:29
Did he burn the bloody bandages he had applied to his wound?
Bingo! :cheesy:
Mandle of the Yard cracks another case!
And as for the bearer bonds, they were long gone: he'd taken money from his clients to cover his losses, and there was nothing left. Staging the robbery was meant to cover up his embezzlement, while his life insurance policy would provide for his wife and daughter, particularly so she could get the treatment and care she needed.
The case was very loosely based on the short-story
Le pavillon de la Croix-Rousse ("The Little House at Croix-Rousse") by Georges Simenon. I had to rush off to an appointment when I was writing it, and I didn't have time to think everything through properly. So there are some plot holes:
Spoiler
The scheme doesn't entirely make sense, because if he was trying to make it look like a robbery gone wrong, where does the threatening letter fit in? So let's say it threatened to kill him if he didn't pay some large sum. Also, with police stationed all around the house, the cover story doesn't really work, so let's assume that he didn't actually want the protection, but the police insisted and he just had to go along with it now that the plan was in motion. Finally, bribing a drunk to stab him in the back (I had a whole thing about how the drunk was a WWI medic fallen on hard times, to explain how he could guarantee that the stabbing wouldn't be immediately fatal) seems a bit of a stretch â€" like, what story did he tell him to make him do that? â€" it would probably have been better if they did have some established relationship, but I didn't think it through ahead of time.
Also, it's not exactly a plot hole, but I had it planned out as a "locked room mystery" with an impossible murder, and when I decided there would be other people in the house, I didn't think about how it would ruin that aspect of it.
BTW, the title was a hint, because it's a letter from someone who doesn't exist, a "ghost" (and also because he was himself the ghost from his daughter's dream).
Still, nice one :D
Yeah, that was a good one! I did wonder at the beginning how the title fitted with the story, but I forgot about it after a while. I enjoyed the whole investigative feel of this case, too. ;-D
Cool, glad you liked it! Yeah, I thought it might be fun to try something with a bit more classic investigation, just to mix it up a bit.
Damn... I'm sad that case is over. I was so into it. Now what am I gonna do?!
Oh, that's right! Think up another case!
I was actually thinking for a while about an approach to designing a case like Snarky's latest, but couldn't get a handle on how the gameplay would work. Now, with this model, it is possible, but I'll see what I come up with. A more traditional one for now probably.
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
NO
Does he have a bullet wound?
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Are the doctors... ummm... medical doctors?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors... ummm... medical doctors?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound?
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors... ummm... medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
NO
Does he have a bullet wound?
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot intentionally?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors... ummm... medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound?
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound?
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges?
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Is the bullet still in the man?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Are the doctors trying to help the man?
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him?
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Is this that president (ummm... Garfield?) who got shot by an assassin (Giteau?) and the doctors at the time were clueless and awful and just made things worse by poking around in the wound without washing their hands properly (even though this took place after Semmelweis had demonstrated the importance of hygiene in surgery)?
Edit: Oh wait, that doesn't fit since that was definitely a bullet. Nevermind.
OK, so:
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Was the firearm that fired the shot a hand-carried arm (handgun, long gun or similar)? Redundant, so instead: Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Would the doctors also risk being shot if they approached the man?
Are they in a war zone?
Does this take place after the year 1900?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
Are they in a war zone?
Does this take place after the year 1900?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Would the doctors also risk being shot if they approached the man?
Does it take place after 1949?
Is there any danger from terrain or building/construction collapse in approaching the man?
Was the man shot with a rocket or similar missile?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
Are they in a war zone?
Does this take place after the year 1900?
Does it take place after 1949?
Was the man shot with a rocket or similar missile?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Would the doctors also risk being shot if they approached the man?
Is there any danger from terrain or building/construction collapse in approaching the man?
Does it take place during WW2?
Ooops... sorry, I must be sleeping,thought it was before 49 for some odd reason. (roll)
Is there gas, radiation, or some bio-hazard that keeps the doctors from approaching?
Is the man himself dangerous to the doctors?
Does this take place in or after year 2000?
Cassie, he said it takes place after 1949. that is after WW2.
Is he in a minefield or rigged with a bomb himself?
Is he contagious with some disease?
Is he in some sort of container? (such as spaceship,submarine,hyperbolic chamber?)
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
Are they in a war zone?
Does this take place after the year 1900?
Does it take place after 1949?
Was the man shot with a rocket or similar missile?
Does this take place in or after year 2000?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Would the doctors also risk being shot if they approached the man?
Is there any danger from terrain or building/construction collapse in approaching the man?
Is there gas, radiation, or some bio-hazard that keeps the doctors from approaching?
Is the man himself dangerous to the doctors? (No. He is so badly wounded he could not possibly be a danger to anyone)
Is he in a minefield or rigged with a bomb himself? (No, this is not a case of using someone as a living bomb)
Is he contagious with some disease?
Is he in some sort of container? (such as spaceship,submarine,hyperbolic chamber?)
Does the danger to the doctors derive from the fact that it's a war zone?
Is the danger the risk of how someone might react to them helping him?
Does the exact way the man was injured (beyond what we already know) matter?
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
Are they in a war zone?
Does this take place after the year 1900?
Does it take place after 1949?
Was the man shot with a rocket or similar missile?
Does this take place in or after year 2000?
Does the exact way the man was injured (beyond what we already know) matter?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Would the doctors also risk being shot if they approached the man?
Is there any danger from terrain or building/construction collapse in approaching the man?
Is there gas, radiation, or some bio-hazard that keeps the doctors from approaching?
Is the man himself dangerous to the doctors? (No. He is so badly wounded he could not possibly be a danger to anyone)
Is he in a minefield or rigged with a bomb himself? (No, this is not a case of using someone as a living bomb)
Is he contagious with some disease?
Is he in some sort of container? (such as spaceship,submarine,hyperbolic chamber?)
Does the danger to the doctors derive from the fact that it's a war zone?
Is the danger the risk of how someone might react to them helping him?
Has the rocket/missile that hit him not exploded and is still armed? (cause I'm sure he would be dead otherwise... (roll) )
Does this take place in the Middle East*?
Was the man shot with a weapon of war (something intended for use against people)?
Is the danger to the doctors directly or indirectly caused by the weapon that shot the man?
* Middle East here defined as stretching from Pakistan/Afghanistan in the East to Morocco in the West, Iran and Turkey in the North to the Sahara in the South.
Case #42
A man is shot and still alive but doctors do not operate. What is the situation?
YES
Are the doctors medical doctors?
Was the shot from a firearm?
Did the shot hit the man?
Is the man injured?
Was he shot with an injection? (Yes, but not the "shot" the riddle mentions)
Was he shot intentionally?
Are the doctors surgeons? (as in they are medically trained to operate?)
Are we talking about a medical surgical operation?
Would the person that shot him face criminal charges? (If captured, yes)
Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)
Are the doctors trying to help the man? (Yes, they want to help the man)
Is there anything the doctors could do to help him? (Yes, if they could)
Is this set in some distinctive time period or setting? (Yes, in fact, this is a true story)
Was the firearm a cannon, torpedo, harpoon or similar large gun?
Does anyone involved have any kind of religious, philosophical or moral objection to the surgery? (Yes, a moral objection of sorts)
Does the man require an operation to survive?
Would it be dangerous for the doctors to approach him?
Are they in a war zone?
Does this take place after the year 1900?
Does it take place after 1949?
Was the man shot with a rocket or similar missile?
Does this take place in or after year 2000?
Does the exact way the man was injured (beyond what we already know) matter?
Has the rocket/missile that hit him not exploded and is still armed?
Does this take place in the Middle East?
Was the man shot with a weapon of war (something intended for use against people)?
Is the danger to the doctors directly or indirectly caused by the weapon that shot the man?
NO
Does he have a bullet wound? (He has a wound, but not from a bullet)
The bullet is lodged in a vital organ and if they to remove it, it might kill him?
Is he being shot by a camera instead of a weapon?
Was the wound a flesh wound, and so they've only "patched" him up?
Was he shot with his full consent?
Did shooting him have some kind of medical benefit to him?
Did the shot hit the man in his upper half? (No, but close. It hit in his lower abdomen)
Did the shot hit his crotch?
Did he shot himself?
Do we need to have a medical degree to solve this one? (laugh)
Was the firearm a pistol or rifle?
Was he shot in a prosthetic limb?
Did the man shoot himself with a BB gun (or some similar sort of imitation firearm)?
Did this take place in a zoo?
Was he shot with a sleeping dart?
Was the surgery that was required beyond the medical science of the time?
Can the doctors come close enough to the wounded man to perform an operation?
Is he a soldier stuck in no-man's land during WWI?
Would the doctors also risk being shot if they approached the man?
Is there any danger from terrain or building/construction collapse in approaching the man?
Is there gas, radiation, or some bio-hazard that keeps the doctors from approaching?
Is the man himself dangerous to the doctors? (No. He is so badly wounded he could not possibly be a danger to anyone)
Is he in a minefield or rigged with a bomb himself? (No, this is not a case of using someone as a living bomb)
Is he contagious with some disease?
Is he in some sort of container? (such as spaceship,submarine,hyperbolic chamber?)
Does the danger to the doctors derive from the fact that it's a war zone?
Is the danger the risk of how someone might react to them helping him?
Are there more details to figure out?
The guy got shot with a missile in his lower abdomen, the missile did not explode now the guy is laying there still alive and in agony, but the doctors can't do anything because the missile can explode at any moment... ?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sat 17/06/2017 15:50:45
Are there more details to figure out?
The guy got shot with a missile in his lower abdomen, the missile did not explode now the guy is laying there still alive and in agony, but the doctors can't do anything because the missile can explode at any moment... ?
I think you have it solved Cassie, but I'm not sure if the whole picture of the situation is complete with this description. There is an ambiguity.
Can you say again exactly what the situation is with as much detail as you can?
Probably not, since I don't know what are the exact details you are after.
But we've also established that it's during a war in the Middle East... though maybe not sure if the man was intentionally shot by the enemy or shot by an accidental shot by friendly fire.
Was the man intentionally shot by the enemy?
Was he accidentally shot by friendly fire?
Did the man survived?
Personally I'm not quite clear on what kind of explosive missile might get stuck in someone's body.
Is the man a terrorist?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sat 17/06/2017 15:50:45
Are there more details to figure out?
The guy got shot with a missile in his lower abdomen, the missile did not explode now the guy is laying there still alive and in agony, but the doctors can't do anything because the missile can explode at any moment... ?
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 17/06/2017 17:32:48
Personally I'm not quite clear on what kind of explosive missile might get stuck in someone's body.
Okay, I'm going to call it solved now as it seems there is a clear picture of what has happened.
Sorry Cassie, but for me (probably nit-picking) your solution did not actually mention that the projectile was still lodged inside the man's abdomen. It could have also meant that the projectile was somewhere close to him after having, for example, grazed past his abdomen, ripped it open, or something like that.
The fact that the RPG projectile was impaling the soldier's lower abdomen/pelvic region and had not exploded is the factor that made an operation by army surgeons impossible: Under army rules the doctors were not allowed to operate because of the high risk of everyone becoming "pink mist" (gotta love army slang: simple, poetic, brutal). They had to have a bomb disposal expert "operate" on the soldier first, removing the RPG round (which is a rocket about a meter long) from where it cut through him, and then the surgeons quickly rushed in and actually managed to save the man's life. He received the purple heart and medal of valor and although he usually uses a cane to walk with now, he managed to walk from his chair, receive his medals, and return to his chair without it.
Here is a link to the full story, with further amazing details of this true-life case including the bravery of his mates that helped him get to the extraction zone, and the helicopter pilots who ignored army regulations and flew him to the hospital:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392699/Incredible-story-Channing-Moss-soldier-survived-impaled-unexploded-bomb-Afghanistan.html
I'm gonna call that Cassie solved it, and Snarky as the back-up in case Cassie doesn't want the next case.
Snarky can take it. (nod)
Sorry Mandle, yes in my mind I meant the missil was lodged inside him when I asked "Has the rocket/missile that hit him not exploded and is still armed? (cause I'm sure he would be dead otherwise... (roll) )". Since it was already established that "Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)"...
So sorry I didn't included it in the "solution"... (laugh)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 18/06/2017 09:20:51
Snarky can take it. (nod)
Sorry Mandle, yes in my mind I meant the missil was lodged inside him when I asked "Has the rocket/missile that hit him not exploded and is still armed? (cause I'm sure he would be dead otherwise... (roll) )". Since it was already established that "Is the bullet still in the man? (Yes, but it's not a bullet)"...
So sorry I didn't included it in the "solution"... (laugh)
Yeah, sorry as well, but I had to make sure it was included in the "solution" as it was the main point of the story...
I was 99.9% sure you meant that, but felt it really needed to be said in the solution and not just listed above in the answers...
So, over to Snarky if he wants the next round...
Sorry, can't do it, too much stuff going on to commit to updating a thread right now.
Okay...then let's throw it open to the first person who comes along with a new case then...
Us sleuths can just kick back with our feet up on our battered old desks until the phone rings, and dream of hot dames (or dudes) with killer gams strutting in the door (the one with the frosted glass window with our names and "P.I." on the outside)
(Smoking is optional)
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there an eye witness?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery?
*(or an other document with his personal dates)
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the robber left any dna trace?
Did the witness recognized the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked?
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognized the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
Did the robber left any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Quote from: Kumpel on Mon 19/06/2017 18:40:24
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognize the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Did the robber leave any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
Was the security footage the key evidence in catching the robber?
Did the robber make the fatal mistake during the actual robbery?
Did the analysis of the evidence require computer technology?
Was the identity of the robber discovered by using the evidence to search some database?
Did the robber use a unique turn of phrase that helped identify him?
Did the robber call someone by a workplace nickname, or do something else that pegged him as an inside man?
Had the robber forgotten to take off a name tag? (laugh)
Did the robber show his hand on the CCTV?
Did he have some abnormality about his hand, like missing or extra fingers and the like?
Did the CCTV capture his fingerprints? (Though it's denied the robber left behind his fingerprints, I ask this to clarify whether "left behind" meant only the traditional sense.)
Did the CCTV catch the number on his phone that he was calling?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the security footage the key evidence in catching the robber? (It gave the police the right idea, so it's one important element of how he got caught)
Did the robber make the fatal mistake during the actual robbery?
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognize the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Did the analysis of the evidence require computer technology? (No it was good old analogue work)
Was the identity of the robber discovered by using the evidence to search some database? (There is no database to search THIS, and probably never will be...)
Did the robber use a unique turn of phrase that helped identify him?
Did the robber call someone by a workplace nickname, or do something else that pegged him as an inside man?
Had the robber forgotten to take off a name tag?
Did the robber show his hand on the CCTV?
Did he have some abnormality about his hand, like missing or extra fingers and the like?
Did the CCTV capture his fingerprints? (Though it's denied the robber left behind his fingerprints, I ask this to clarify whether "left behind" meant only the traditional sense.)
Did the CCTV catch the number on his phone that he was calling?
Did the robber leave any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
Was the robber wearing or carrying anything used to identify him?
Did the robber say something that was used to identify him?
Did the robber leave behind any kind of physical evidence that was used to identify him (not counting witnesses or recordings of the robbery)?
Did the robber gesture or otherwise move his body in a way that was used to identify him?
Did an item of the robber's clothing give away his identity?
Did the robber leave behind an artificial limb, or other prosthetic, which was linked to him via its serial number?
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 20/06/2017 08:54:32
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the security footage the key evidence in catching the robber? (It gave the police the right idea, so it's one important element of how he got caught)
Did the robber make the fatal mistake during the actual robbery?
Did the robber leave behind any kind of physical evidence that was used to identify him (not counting witnesses or recordings of the robbery)?
Spoiler
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognize the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Did the analysis of the evidence require computer technology? (No it was good old analogue work)
Was the identity of the robber discovered by using the evidence to search some database? (There is no database to search THIS, and probably never will be...)
Did the robber use a unique turn of phrase that helped identify him?
Did the robber call someone by a workplace nickname, or do something else that pegged him as an inside man?
Had the robber forgotten to take off a name tag?
Did the robber show his hand on the CCTV?
Did he have some abnormality about his hand, like missing or extra fingers and the like?
Did the CCTV capture his fingerprints? (Though it's denied the robber left behind his fingerprints, I ask this to clarify whether "left behind" meant only the traditional sense.)
Did the CCTV catch the number on his phone that he was calling?
Was the robber wearing or carrying anything used to identify him?
Did the robber say something that was used to identify him?
Did the robber gesture or otherwise move his body in a way that was used to identify him?
Did an item of the robber's clothing give away his identity?
Did the robber leave behind an artificial limb, or other prosthetic, which was linked to him via its serial number?
Did the robber leave any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
Did the security camera footage help identify what the robber left behind at the scene of the crime?
Did the robber leave behind something that would have gone unnoticed unless the police knew it belonged to him?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID?
Is what the robber left behind something rare that only a few people have?
Was the thing that was left behind a trace of some kind (like a footstep, a smell...)?
Was the thing that was left behind something produced by the robber's body?
Oh, and: Was the robber a man?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the security footage the key evidence in catching the robber? (It gave the police the right idea, so it's one important element of how he got caught)
Did the robber make the fatal mistake during the actual robbery?
Did the robber leave behind any kind of physical evidence that was used to identify him (not counting witnesses or recordings of the robbery)?
Did the robber leave behind something that would have gone unnoticed unless the police knew it belonged to him?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID? (If by ID you mean an evidence to identify him definitely, yes.)
Was the thing that was left behind a trace of some kind (like a footstep, a smell...)?
Was the thing that was left behind something produced by the robber's body? (The trace was produced by a body part, yeah)
Spoiler
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognize the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Did the analysis of the evidence require computer technology? (No it was good old analogue work)
Was the identity of the robber discovered by using the evidence to search some database? (There is no database to search THIS, and probably never will be...)
Did the robber use a unique turn of phrase that helped identify him?
Did the robber call someone by a workplace nickname, or do something else that pegged him as an inside man?
Had the robber forgotten to take off a name tag?
Did the robber show his hand on the CCTV?
Did he have some abnormality about his hand, like missing or extra fingers and the like?
Did the CCTV capture his fingerprints? (Though it's denied the robber left behind his fingerprints, I ask this to clarify whether "left behind" meant only the traditional sense.)
Did the CCTV catch the number on his phone that he was calling?
Was the robber wearing or carrying anything used to identify him?
Did the robber say something that was used to identify him?
Did the robber gesture or otherwise move his body in a way that was used to identify him?
Did an item of the robber's clothing give away his identity?
Did the robber leave behind an artificial limb, or other prosthetic, which was linked to him via its serial number?
Did the security camera footage help identify what the robber left behind at the scene of the crime?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID? (If you talk about a personal card or some other identification document, no)
Is what the robber left behind something rare that only a few people have?
Did the robber leave any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
Was the robber a man? (Yes, but it could have also been a wom
an or a child, so it doesn't really matter)
Did he scratch and leave skin flakes behind?
Has he lost some hair?
Became his broken fingernail found?
Did he bleed and left a trace that way?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the security footage the key evidence in catching the robber? (It gave the police the right idea, so it's one important element of how he got caught)
Did the robber make the fatal mistake during the actual robbery?
Did the robber leave behind any kind of physical evidence that was used to identify him (not counting witnesses or recordings of the robbery)?
Did the robber leave behind something that would have gone unnoticed unless the police knew it belonged to him?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID? (If by ID you mean an evidence to identify him definitely, yes.)
Was the thing that was left behind a trace of some kind (like a footstep, a smell...)?
Was the thing that was left behind something produced by the robber's body? (The trace was produced by a body part, yeah)
Spoiler
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognize the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Did the analysis of the evidence require computer technology? (No it was good old analogue work)
Was the identity of the robber discovered by using the evidence to search some database? (There is no database to search THIS, and probably never will be...)
Did the robber use a unique turn of phrase that helped identify him?
Did the robber call someone by a workplace nickname, or do something else that pegged him as an inside man?
Had the robber forgotten to take off a name tag?
Did the robber show his hand on the CCTV?
Did he have some abnormality about his hand, like missing or extra fingers and the like?
Did the CCTV capture his fingerprints? (Though it's denied the robber left behind his fingerprints, I ask this to clarify whether "left behind" meant only the traditional sense.)
Did the CCTV catch the number on his phone that he was calling?
Was the robber wearing or carrying anything used to identify him?
Did the robber say something that was used to identify him?
Did the robber gesture or otherwise move his body in a way that was used to identify him?
Did an item of the robber's clothing give away his identity?
Did the robber leave behind an artificial limb, or other prosthetic, which was linked to him via its serial number?
Did the security camera footage help identify what the robber left behind at the scene of the crime?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID? (If you talk about a personal card or some other identification document, no)
Is what the robber left behind something rare that only a few people have?
Did he scratch and leave skin flakes behind?
Has he lost some hair?
Became his broken fingernail found?
Did he bleed and left a trace that way?
Did the robber leave any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
Was the robber a man? (Yes, but it could have also been a wom
an or a child, so it doesn't really matter)
Did some part of the robber's skin touch an object at the bank?
Was the trace left behind a bodily fluid or excretion?
Did the robber go No.1 or No.2 in his pants during the robbery?
Was the evidence the imprint of a body part?
Tattoo?
Case #43
This armed robbery case went into criminal history and every crime scene unit trainee after this has to know it. What got the robber caught?
Did the robber use a real gun?
Did the robber leave evidence behind?
Is there an eye witness?
Was the robber wearing a mask?
Was the robber caught on CCTV footage?
Is this a real case?
Did the case pioneer some new form of evidence or analysis?
Did the robber make some foolish mistake?
Was the security footage the key evidence in catching the robber? (It gave the police the right idea, so it's one important element of how he got caught)
Did the robber make the fatal mistake during the actual robbery?
Did the robber leave behind any kind of physical evidence that was used to identify him (not counting witnesses or recordings of the robbery)?
Did the robber leave behind something that would have gone unnoticed unless the police knew it belonged to him?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID? (If by ID you mean an evidence to identify him definitely, yes.)
Was the thing that was left behind a trace of some kind (like a footstep, a smell...)?
Was the thing that was left behind something produced by the robber's body? (The trace was produced by a body part, yeah)
Did some part of the robber's skin touch an object at the bank?
Was the evidence the imprint of a body part?
Spoiler
Was the robber caught at the scene of the crime?
His DNA from the cigarette filter?
His tooth print of his chewing gum?
His fingerprints on the cartridge sleeve?
Did the robber leave behind fingerprints?
Did the robber leave behind DNA?
Did the robber leave behind something with his name on it?
Did the robbery take place before 1900?
Did the robbery take place before 1950?
Did the robbery take place before 1990?
Was anyone shot during the robbery?
Did anyone die because of the robbery?
Were the bullets traced to the robber's gun?
Is there a parrot on the scene?
Was he addressed and inadvertently told his name while answering?
Did the one he was with call him by his real name?
Did he lose his credit card* during the robbery? *(or an other document with his personal dates)
Were the banknotes given to the robber marked with something?
Did he hand over a robbery note to the teller that he had written on the back of a paper that identified him?
Did the robber have a limp or other identifiable way of walking?
Did the robber ever remove the mask while on camera?
Did the robber have any unusual physical differences to a normal person?
Did the robber brag about it on Facebook?
Was there a dye pack in the bank notes?
did the police use facial recognition technology?
did the police track cell phones in the area?
Did the wifi system of the robbed establishment automatically search the robber's smart phone and link to it?
Did the witness recognize the robber?
Was his voice recorded when he talked? (security cam without sound recording)
Did he have a visible tattoo?
Did he bite someone or something (that was used for to get an odontogram for dental identification)? (no biting and no dental record thing but somehow we are getting a blip closer ;) )
did the evidence against him have anything to do with the internet?
did the evidence against him have anything to do with a cell phone?
Did an interpreter for reading of the lips found an essential point in identifying the robber?
Has the robber a wet pronunciation or a speech impediment (and so left some saliva or lost his dental prosthesis)?
Did he show his teeth to the camera (and was identified because of a missing, golden or decorated one)?
Was the robber wearing a highly realistic mask (so that people in the bank didn't even realize it was a mask)?
Was the robber tracked down based on the purchase (or online review) of something used in the robbery?
Did the analysis of the evidence require computer technology? (No it was good old analogue work)
Was the identity of the robber discovered by using the evidence to search some database? (There is no database to search THIS, and probably never will be...)
Did the robber use a unique turn of phrase that helped identify him?
Did the robber call someone by a workplace nickname, or do something else that pegged him as an inside man?
Had the robber forgotten to take off a name tag?
Did the robber show his hand on the CCTV?
Did he have some abnormality about his hand, like missing or extra fingers and the like?
Did the CCTV capture his fingerprints? (Though it's denied the robber left behind his fingerprints, I ask this to clarify whether "left behind" meant only the traditional sense.)
Did the CCTV catch the number on his phone that he was calling?
Was the robber wearing or carrying anything used to identify him?
Did the robber say something that was used to identify him?
Did the robber gesture or otherwise move his body in a way that was used to identify him?
Did an item of the robber's clothing give away his identity?
Did the robber leave behind an artificial limb, or other prosthetic, which was linked to him via its serial number?
Did the security camera footage help identify what the robber left behind at the scene of the crime?
Did the robber leave behind something that contained his ID? (If you talk about a personal card or some other identification document, no)
Is what the robber left behind something rare that only a few people have?
Did he scratch and leave skin flakes behind?
Has he lost some hair?
Became his broken fingernail found?
Did he bleed and left a trace that way?
Was the trace left behind a bodily fluid or excretion?
Did the robber go No.1 or No.2 in his pants during the robbery?
Tattoo?
Did the robber leave any dna trace? (maybe, but it wasn't necessary to check for it ...)
Was the robber a man? (Yes, but it could have also been a wom
an or a child, so it doesn't really matter)
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Okay, an attempt at a solution then:
During the robbery the exposed skin on a section of the robber's body touched a surface in the bank.
The CCTV camera footage tipped the police off to go to that exact surface and pull a "skin print" off from it.
The police then compared the "skin print" obtained from that surface to "skin prints" obtained from the same body area of suspects to determine the robber's identity.
This helped develop a new forensic science of matching "skin prints" taken at the scene of crimes to potential suspects...
Obviously there is no possible way to build an entire database of every single inch of the human body, but it's still a useful tool when narrowing down suspects that have left a portion of their "skin print" behind at the scene of a crime...
Hmm - quite good!
My attempt looks similar, but with footprints and analysis of those to catch him.
Have we ruled out fingerprints?
@mandle: That's almost it. But in this case I need you to get the exact way it happened, because it is they key element of the historical importance of this case.
@Tabata: no it weren't the footprints.
Was it his rear end?
Did he sit on a chair and left an imprint?
Did he press his face up on a glass surface?
Did the robber kneel down to pray?
Was the robber wearing a ski-mask?
Was it the robber's nose that touched something?(e.g: He walked/ran into a glass door by accident)?
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 21/06/2017 23:44:53
Was it the robber's nose that touched something?(e.g: He walked/ran into a glass door by accident)?
That's it! The case took place a few years back, where I saw it in some of these funny accident shows on TV. The robber was wearing a ski mask with only his nose pointing out. He had obviously problems to see through. So when he got what he wanted, he ran into the closed glass door, leaving behind a nose print, and fled after that. The police saw this in the CCTV and a clever forensic scientist at the police station found out, that a nose print is almost as unique as a finger print. They then checked all the usual suspects for nose prints and with this solid and innovative evidence he got busted and sentenced for armed robbery.
Your turn once more, Mandle!
Cool! That was a fun one, and also hilarious!
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Had Harry and Sally met before?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before?
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Is the car working?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before?
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was their a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before?
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was their a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does now want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before?
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Mandle, you missed Kumpel on the 1st page... (roll)
Did Sally owned as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Is Harry alive?
@cassiebsg: it's okay. all my question are being asked again and answered by now. (laugh)
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught? (I don't think you can press charges unless someone is arrested in the first place)
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?*
(* Since that's a debatable proposition for e.g. the US justice system, I guess what I'm asking is whether Sally considers it a functioning justice system.)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Thu 22/06/2017 17:43:46
Mandle, you missed Kumpel on the 1st page... (roll)
Haha... look at the edit time of Kumpel's post and the posting time of my next update. There was only the one question when I was posting at 7:02 so Kumpel must have edited at pretty much the exact same time.
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Also, I added a note after a reply to clarify the NO category:
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Had Sally stolen the car herself?
Quote from: Tabata on Fri 23/06/2017 05:55:59
Had Sally stolen the car herself?
That's already been answered as a "no". ;)
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
The question that has me dumbfounded is it was Sally's car but it was not registered to her.
Questions:
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game? (just making sure...)
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Did Sally borrowed the car from someone?
Did Sally had a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law? (Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)
Did Sally borrow the car from someone? ("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)
Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
* YES and NO
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law? (Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)
Did Sally borrow the car from someone? ("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)
Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
* YES and NO
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law? (Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)
Did Sally borrow the car from someone? ("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)
Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
* YES and NO
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law? (Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)
Did Sally borrow the car from someone? ("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)
Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen? (Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
* YES and NO
I've added a hint to a previous answer to avoid going down a long path that leads nowhere:
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen? (Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)
Also, my early and naive "rule" of three questions per post no longer applies, but please don't get ridiculous...
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they new the car had been stolen?
Case #44
Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?
YES
Does Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law? (Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)
Did Sally borrow the car from someone? ("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)
Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen? (Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)
Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen? (Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)
NO
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
* YES and NO
Is Sally a cop?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee? (laugh)
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
* YES and NO
AHAHAH (laugh)
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
* YES and NO
Was Harry a criminal?
Was Harry another cop?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
* YES and NO
Is Harry a cop too?
Adeel, I just asked that and the answer is no...
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
(Yeah, pretty much)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
* YES and NO
Was Harry's crime the stolen police car, or had he just performed a robbery?
Do we need more details to explain this case, or do we have everything needed for the solution? ;-D
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
(Yeah, pretty much)Was Harry's crime the stolen police car?
(Yes, but there's another crime he committed first)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
Had he just performed a robbery?
* YES and NO
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 25/06/2017 14:15:01
Do we need more details to explain this case, or do we have everything needed for the solution? ;-D
We still don't know what Harry's original crime was, or the full facts behind why he took Sally's police car.
Once those two points are revealed I will count the case as solved.
did Harry commit a federal crime? a stolen vehicle is a state crime so the federal crime would have taken presidence.
Was he arrested and sitting in the police car so he stole it to get away?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
(Yeah, pretty much)Was Harry's crime the stolen police car?
(Yes, but there's another crime he committed first)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
Had he just performed a robbery?
did Harry commit a federal crime?
Was he arrested and sitting in the police car so he stole it to get away?
* YES and NO
Was Harry an informant?
Was Harry a drug dealer?
Did Harry killed someone (or attempted to)?
Was Harry a pimp?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
(Yeah, pretty much)Was Harry's crime the stolen police car?
(Yes, but there's another crime he committed first)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
Had he just performed a robbery?
did Harry commit a federal crime?
Was he arrested and sitting in the police car so he stole it to get away?
Was Harry an informant?
Was Harry a drug dealer?
Did Harry killed someone (or attempted to)?
Was Harry a pimp?
* YES and NO
Did Harry commit a crime to help Sally?
Did Harry stealing the car actually help Sally in some way?
Was Sally herself implicated in the initial crime?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
(Yeah, pretty much)Was Harry's crime the stolen police car?
(Yes, but there's another crime he committed first)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
Had he just performed a robbery?
did Harry commit a federal crime?
Was he arrested and sitting in the police car so he stole it to get away?
Was Harry an informant?
Was Harry a drug dealer?
Did Harry killed someone (or attempted to)?
Was Harry a pimp?
Did Harry commit a crime to help Sally?
Did Harry stealing the car actually help Sally in some way?
Was Sally herself implicated in the initial crime?
* YES and NO
Is Harry Sally's father?
Does Harry suffer from some form of dementia?
Case #44Harry stole Sally's car and yet Sally did not press charges. Why not?YESDoes Sally know her car was stolen?
Just for clarity... are Harry and Sally both humans?
Does this take place in real life?
Was the car driveable?
Was the car an automobile? (as opposed to some other use of the word car)
Is Harry alive?
Is it important to know why Harry stole the car?
Was Harry caught?
Is there a functioning justice system for Sally to press charges within?
Is the car working?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did?
*Does Sally intend to settle the matter outside of the law?
(Yes, but not in a "revenge" way)Did Sally borrow the car from someone?
("Borrow" is not exactly the right word, but right idea)Did Sally have a driving license?
Was Sally working when Harry stole the car?
Did Sally not want to explain why the car was parked where it was stolen?
(Yes, but the location itself doesn't matter)Was the car registered to her work place?
Would she lose her job if they knew the car had been stolen?
(Well yes, that is what she feared might happen at worst)Is Sally a cop?
Did Sally left the car keys in the ignition?
Was Sally's car a police car with police lights? (as in not an unmarked police car)
Was Harry a criminal?
(Not career criminal but, yes, he broke the law)Did Harry stole the car to quickly leave the scene of a crime?
(Yeah, pretty much)Was Harry's crime the stolen police car?
(Yes, but there's another crime he committed first)NOSpoiler
Is it because Harry and Sally both are children, and Harry stole just a toy car?
Did Harry kill Sally?
Is Harry Sally's son?
Had Harry and Sally met before? (No, they had never met before this incident)
Because at least one of them is an animal?
Is it an insurance scam?
Was there a dead body in Sally's car and she therefore didn't want her car found?
Is there *something* in the car that Sally does not want the police (or someone) to find, and as a result does not press charges?
Was Sally's car worthless?
Was Sally in the car when it was stolen?
Is Sally happy with the outcome?
Did Sally own (as in registered in her name) the stolen car?
Had Sally stolen the car?
Was it easier and/or cheaper for Sally to get the car stolen instead of getting rid of it the legal way?
Is anything in the car that Sally already wanted to make disappear (e.g. a body)?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take someone to hospital?
Did Harry steal the car so he could take Sally to hospital?
Was the car a rental car so it wasn't Sally that would press the charges but the rental company?
Was Sally renting the car?
Did Harry have charges filed against him for the stolen car?
would Sally go to jail if she reported it stolen?
Did this happen in a roleplay server of some game?
Does Sally want Harry to be punished for what he did? *
Does Harry have a good excuse for stealing the car?
Was she working illegal (or something outside the law)?
Had Sally taken her parent's car without their permission?
Was Sally having an affair?
Was the car registered to Sally's husband?
Was Sally working in a brothel or strip club?
Was the car registered to a family member?
Was Sally getting donuts and a coffee?
Was Harry in the middle of a robbery that Sally was called into?
Or was Harry just an opportunist/joker? (in the sense that he stole the car because he could)
Is Harry a minor?
Did Harry crash the car in the attempt to drive it?
Was Harry another cop?
Did Harry stole the car to pretend to be a policeman?
Had he just performed a robbery?
did Harry commit a federal crime?
Was he arrested and sitting in the police car so he stole it to get away?
Was Harry an informant?
Was Harry a drug dealer?
Did Harry killed someone (or attempted to)?
Was Harry a pimp?
Did Harry commit a crime to help Sally?
Did Harry stealing the car actually help Sally in some way?
Was Sally herself implicated in the initial crime?
Is Harry Sally's father?
Does Harry suffer from some form of dementia?
(No, but something similar at the time)* YES and NO
Is Harry related to Sally in any way (biologically I mean)?
Was Harry under the influence of alcohol?
Was Harry under the influence of drugs?
Okay, gonna start doing mini-updates and then add to main update every so often:
YES
Was Harry under the influence of alcohol?
NO
Is Harry related to Sally in any way (biologically I mean)?
Was Harry under the influence of drugs?
* YES and NO
So... was drink-driving the other crime?
Or... was there an additional crime involved?
Did Sally spike his drink?
YES
Was Harry under the influence of alcohol?
was drink-driving the other crime?
NO
Is Harry related to Sally in any way (biologically I mean)?
Was Harry under the influence of drugs?
Was there an additional crime involved apart from drink-driving? (No, except for taking the car of course)
Did Sally spike his drink?
* YES and NO
Solution anyone?
Proposed solution: Sally was on duty as a Policewoman, but went for a drink whilst on duty. She met someone in the bar, Harry, and they both got wasted. He then drove off with her squad car; she obviously didn't want to admit to drinking on the job so didn't report it. From the clues it would seem that Sally managed to get the car back before it was involved in a major accident (otherwise I don't see how she was planning to hide the fact that it had gone).
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 27/06/2017 12:49:27
Proposed solution: Sally was on duty as a Policewoman, but went for a drink whilst on duty. She met someone in the bar, Harry, and they both got wasted. He then drove off with her squad car; she obviously didn't want to admit to drinking on the job so didn't report it. From the clues it would seem that Sally managed to get the car back before it was involved in a major accident (otherwise I don't see how she was planning to hide the fact that it had gone).
Mostly wrong but partly right...
(Of course further questions are still open)
Did Harry call the police as a prank?
Did Sally stopped Harry to test him for DUI, but he managed to slip into her car and drive away?
Did she drove "Harry's car" to catch up with him?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Tue 27/06/2017 15:03:38
Did Sally stopped Harry to test him for DUI, but he managed to slip into her car and drive away?
I THINK WE HAVE A WINNER!!!Solution:Harry was driving home drunk when Sally, a police officer, pulled him over due to his erratic driving.
Just after he had got out of his car for a sobriety test there was a car accident a few hundred meters away.
Sally asked Harry to stay put and raced off down the road to assess the situation of the car crash.
Harry, staggering around drunk, eventually got bored and just decided to drive home and so he did so.
The next morning Harry was awakened by furious knocking on his door and staggered out of bed to answer it.
He found Sally on his doorstep demanding him to open his garage door.
When Harry opened his garage there was the police car parked within!
Harry, in his drunken stupor had driven Sally's police car home by accident.
Sally, embarrassed to the extreme, decided to swear Harry to secrecy in return for the keys to her patrol car.
She then drove Harry back out to where his car was still parked and they parted ways rather uncomfortably...Over to Cassie, or if not CaptainD, or if not Snarky... (in the order that important clues were discovered)...
Or if nobody wants the next round then we throw it open to anyone!
I have nothing, so next in line feel free to jump in. (nod)
Did Harry mistake the police car for his own?
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 27/06/2017 21:12:42
Did Harry mistake the police car for his own?
Yeah, so this is based on a "true story" I heard somewhere (although I suspect it's more of a "tall tale")...
The names I just made up for the purpose of the riddle, but it's supposed to be the story of someone's drunkard uncle.
Apparently he was so drunk that he couldn't tell the difference between his own car and the police car and was as surprised as the police officer was when he opened his garage door. (laugh)
Oh, looks like I missed the last page of the thread. :-[
Anyone diving in a run the next round?
Okay, I'll jump in with another one inspired by conversations last night with a very unique young person who has the gift and curse of thinking deeply about matters. So this one is for my amazing friend Pierre!
Case #45
After creating a computer game the developer was quite happy to put a gun to his head and kill himself. Why?
YES
NO
* YES and NO
Had he been using Adventure Game Studio? :=
Was the game a suicide simulator?
Did he have an incurable medical condition?
Could players of the game use something in the game to create some sort of doomsday weapon?
Was his desire to kill himself caused by the completion of the game?
Was the game so bad to play that he knew no one would buy it?
Did he kill himself in person or just virtually?
Case #45
After creating a computer game the developer was quite happy to put a gun to his head and kill himself. Why?
YES
Could players of the game use something in the game to create some sort of doomsday weapon? (Probably yes, but irrelevant to this riddle)
Was his desire to kill himself caused by the completion of the game?
Did he kill himself in person (as opposed to just virtually)? *
NO
Had he been using Adventure Game Studio?
Was the game a suicide simulator? (No, not specifically)
Did he have an incurable medical condition?
Was the game so bad to play that he knew no one would buy it?
Did he kill himself in person (as opposed to just virtually)? *
* YES and NO
Was he somehow scifi-like connected to the game?
Did he kill himself after someone else had played it? OR
Did he kill himself right after the completion?
Did he intend to kill himself before he finished it?
Did he upload his conscious/mind/personality/whatever to the game?
Case #45
After creating a computer game the developer was quite happy to put a gun to his head and kill himself. Why?
YES
Could players of the game use something in the game to create some sort of doomsday weapon? (Probably yes, but irrelevant to this riddle)
Was his desire to kill himself caused by the completion of the game?
Did he kill himself in person (as opposed to just virtually)? *
Did he kill himself right after the completion?
NO
Had he been using Adventure Game Studio?
Was the game a suicide simulator? (No, not specifically)
Did he have an incurable medical condition?
Was the game so bad to play that he knew no one would buy it?
Did he kill himself in person (as opposed to just virtually)? *
Was he somehow scifi-like connected to the game?
Did he kill himself after someone else had played it?
Did he upload his conscious/mind/personality/whatever to the game?
* YES and NO
Sorry, but the wording of this question has two possible meanings:
"Did he intend to kill himself before he finished it?"
I'm not sure if you mean "kill himself before finishing" or "had already planned to kill himself before finishing"
Please clarify
Does this have anything to do with whether or not we're "living in the matrix"?
Case #45
After creating a computer game the developer was quite happy to put a gun to his head and kill himself. Why?
YES
Could players of the game use something in the game to create some sort of doomsday weapon? (Probably yes, but irrelevant to this riddle)
Was his desire to kill himself caused by the completion of the game?
Did he kill himself in person (as opposed to just virtually)? *
Did he kill himself right after the completion?
Does this have anything to do with whether or not we're "living in the matrix"?
NO
Had he been using Adventure Game Studio?
Was the game a suicide simulator? (No, not specifically)
Did he have an incurable medical condition?
Was the game so bad to play that he knew no one would buy it?
Did he kill himself in person (as opposed to just virtually)? *
Was he somehow scifi-like connected to the game?
Did he kill himself after someone else had played it?
Did he upload his conscious/mind/personality/whatever to the game?
* YES and NO
Was creating the game his only purpose in life?
Had he himself been created with the sole purpose of creating the game?
Is the developer a roboter that is defunct if you shoot him in the "head"?
Is the developer human?
Was the game he created a "perfect" simulation of the world, so that the in-game characters had consciousness?
Did the creation of the game convince him that his own world was (very likely) a simulation?
Quote from: Snarky on Fri 30/06/2017 16:59:25
Was the game he created a "perfect" simulation of the world, so that the in-game characters had consciousness?
Did the creation of the game convince him that his own world was (very likely) a simulation?
WINNER!!!Well, that didn't take long...
It's exactly as Snarky said:
SolutionBeing able to create a simulation game that was indistinguishable from the real world, the game dev thought it unlikely that this was the first time this had been done, and saw it as proof of a whole chain of such evolution in countless simulations of which he was the most recent "Architect".
He knew his own personal data would just be recycled into a new form by the currently running program, based on what his own simulation did, and so had no problem with going off on that adventure earlier than expected.Disclaimer: This is not a social commentary on suicide... Just a riddle...Over to Snarky, or someone else?
The story sounded familiar from articles on transhumanism/the singularity/the simulation hypothesis I've read...
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Could this take place in the real world?
Was her alibi that she was dead?
Was she a vampire or something similar?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
* Yes and No
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Did others think that she was dead?
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
QuoteDid others think that she was dead?
I'm not sure I understand this question. Could you clarify?
Case #46Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?YesCould this take place in the real world?
[Or at least one not very different]Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?NoWould it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town?
[Not as such...]Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar?
[But...]Was she actually guilty of the murder?* Yes and No
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Was the "exectution" performed on her dead body?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "exectution" performed on her dead body?
* Yes and No
Quote from: Snarky on Sun 02/07/2017 08:06:35
Yes
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
No
Did others think she was a vampire?
* Yes and No
Since not even one of those is not marked * (yes and no) I am a bit confused now.
Just to clarify this - does that mean to get it 'a clear yes' we have to change the yes-question into:
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire?
nonetheless, if she herself thought to be a vampire it would make sense (for her)so I'll ask it right away :grin:
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "exectution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
* Yes and No
Solution: She was accused as a witch for the sickness that had struck the town. Despite never having been near the victims of the disease, she was blamed for it and bullshit evidence of black cats at her house, long candles, old books, or similar, convinced the town she was a witch. She was executed.
You're on the right track, but you're missing the key elements:
-What was her alibi?
-What was the evidence against her?
Also, "witch" is not quite correct.
I'll offer a hint and say that I've combined two pieces of superstition/folklore from roughly the same region of the world, one of which is featured in several well-known novels, the other in news reports.
I am still thinking on this, just been insanely busy with latest MAGS entry... BRB
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon?
Is the woman a virgin?
Has she never been accused of anything, especially for being a sinner?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer?
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Case #46Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?YesCould this take place in the real world?
[Or at least one not very different]Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire?
[For some definition of "similar", anyway]Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?NoWould it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town?
[Not as such...]Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar?
[But...]Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?* Yes and No
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 04/07/2017 10:04:22
Has she never been accused of anything, especially for being a sinner?
I don't understand this question.
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she human?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?* [Before what? The execution? Yes.]
Was she human?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?*
* Yes and No
Was being thought to be possessed her alibi?
Was she accused of being a witch?
Did she have Tourette's syndrome?
Did she have epilepsy?
Is this set in Haiti?
Is this set in New Orleans?
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?* [Before what? The execution? Yes.]
Was she human?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
Was she accused of being a witch?* [How do you define "witch"?]
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?*
Was being thought to be possessed her alibi?
Was she accused of being a witch?*
Did she have Tourette's syndrome?
Did she have epilepsy?
Is this set in Haiti?
Is this set in New Orleans? [But this is a promising line of inquiry]
* Yes and No
Was the proof a voodoo doll?
Quote from: Snarky on Wed 05/07/2017 20:43:09
Was she accused of being a witch?* [How do you define "witch"?]
I was reminded of the witch-hunts and witch trials (that included illegal and summary executions of people that have been labelled witches).
That kind of witch I meant in my question.
Is this set in Africa?
Is this set in South America?
Is this set in Eastern Europe?
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?* [Before what? The execution? Yes.]
Was she human?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
Was she accused of being a witch?* [How do you define "witch"?]
Is this set in Africa?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?*
Was being thought to be possessed her alibi?
Was she accused of being a witch?*
Did she have Tourette's syndrome?
Did she have epilepsy?
Is this set in Haiti?
Is this set in New Orleans? [But this is a promising line of inquiry]
Was the proof a voodoo doll?
Is this set in South America?
Is this set in Eastern Europe?
* Yes and No
So were there 2 murders?
Has she been a child at the moment of the execution?
Was she a Shaman?
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?* [Before what? The execution? Yes.]
Was she human?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
Was she accused of being a witch?* [How do you define "witch"?]
Is this set in Africa?
Has she been a child at the moment of the execution?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?*
Was being thought to be possessed her alibi?
Was she accused of being a witch?*
Did she have Tourette's syndrome?
Did she have epilepsy?
Is this set in Haiti?
Is this set in New Orleans? [But this is a promising line of inquiry]
Was the proof a voodoo doll?
Is this set in South America?
Is this set in Eastern Europe?
So were there 2 murders?
Was she a Shaman?
* Yes and No
Since I think some of you are getting confused by the wording of the case (and how different questions have been answered depending on the context), I'll add this clarification: The only murder that actually took place was the execution of the girl. The "murder" she was accused of was not really a murder.
Is it just not a murder seen from our modern perspective?
Has this been declared as a murder in the past? Did anyone die beforehand?
Did the girl kill the mother while being born?
Quote from: Kumpel on Thu 06/07/2017 10:33:41
Did the girl kill the mother while being born?
Ohhhh, I think this might be it!
Solution:
A baby was born under a supposed curse or bad omen of some kind and the mother died during childbirth. Under the local superstitions the baby itself was judged to be the spawn of an evil deity and guilty of killing its mother. The baby was execucted.I still don't understand the bit about the executed "she" being YES and NO for dead, but if this is judged as the right solution the next round goes to Kumpel is he wants it...
It's a very clever idea, and you're getting closer to the alibi, but no. (It doesn't fit a number of the answers so far.) You've had enough information for a while now to work out the alibi by process of exclusion, BTW.
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?* [Before what? The execution? Yes.]
Was she human?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
Was she accused of being a witch?* [How do you define "witch"?]
Is this set in Africa?
Has she been a child at the moment of the execution?
Has this been declared as a murder in the past? [Suspected, at least]
Did anyone die beforehand?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?*
Was being thought to be possessed her alibi?
Was she accused of being a witch?*
Did she have Tourette's syndrome?
Did she have epilepsy?
Is this set in Haiti?
Is this set in New Orleans? [But this is a promising line of inquiry]
Was the proof a voodoo doll?
Is this set in South America?
Is this set in Eastern Europe?
So were there 2 murders?
Was she a Shaman?
Is it just not a murder seen from our modern perspective? [Well, obviously the people who executed her considered it a murder, but rather than getting all tangled up in emic and etic perspectives, let's just say no, it isn't a murder at all]
Did the girl kill the mother while being born?
* Yes and No
Was she alive but considered "dead" by others?
Was she considered a zombie slave under their religion?
Hmmm -okay, then I'll try another step in direction of a witch:
Did she have a birthmark (that was seen as proof against her)?
Spoiler
"According to witch-hunters during the height of the witch trials, the witches' mark (not to be confused with a witches' teat) indicated that an individual was a witch. The witches' mark and the devil's mark are both terms applied to essentially the same mark. The beliefs about the mark differ depending on the trial location and the accusation made against the witch. Evidence of the witches' mark is found earliest in the 16th century, and reached its peak in 1645, then essentially disappeared by 1700.
[1] The Witch or Devil's mark was believed to be the permanent marking of the Devil on his initiates to seal their obedience and service to him. He created the mark by raking his claw across their flesh, or by making a blue or red brand using a hot iron. Sometimes, the mark was believed to have been left by the Devil licking the individual. The Devil was thought to mark the individual at the end of nocturnal initiation rites.
[2] The witches' teat was a raised bump somewhere on a witch's body. It is often depicted as having a wart-like appearance."
This isn't about abortion is it?
Was she albino?
Was she a child?
Case #46
Although she had a seemingly perfect alibi, the indirect evidence of her guilt was too strong, and she was executed for the murder.
What was her alibi, and what was the proof against her?
Yes
Could this take place in the real world? [Or at least one not very different]
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Did others think she was a vampire or something similar?
Was the "evidence" a sickness that was thought to be caused by supernatural means?
Did others think she was something similar to a vampire? [For some definition of "similar", anyway]
Did they think she was possessed by satan or a demon? [Or something similar, as I understand it]
Is the woman a virgin?
Was she executed because of the evidence?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?* [Before what? The execution? Yes.]
Was she human?
Was the execution itself considered murder?
Was she accused of being a witch?* [How do you define "witch"?]
Is this set in Africa?
Has she been a child at the moment of the execution?
Has this been declared as a murder in the past? [Suspected, at least]
Did anyone die beforehand?
Was she albino?
Was she a child?
No
Would it be beneficial for us to know who she murdered?
Did her alibi involve her being in the hospital?
Did her alibi involve her being out of town? [Not as such...]
Was she in jail at the time of the murder?
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she a vampire or something similar? [But...]
Was she actually guilty of the murder?
Was she in a coma (or coma like state)?
Did others think she was a vampire?
Was the "execution" performed on her dead body?
Was her alibi that the murder happened in daylight / sunshine?
Was her alibi that the murder took place in a church / on consecrated ground?
Does her alibi have to do with garlic, silver or holy water?
Is she a zombie?
Was she a nun?
Was she a twin?
Was she executed by another person as part of a legal punishment? [Not as we would understand it]
Was she alive during the murder?
Was she accused of being a werewolf?
Was she accused of being a necromancer? [I'm not 100% clear on what this entails â€" there could be some overlap]
Was she accused of being a sin eater?
Is her "sickness" sleep walking?
Was she executed because of a murder that took place beforehand?*
Was being thought to be possessed her alibi?
Was she accused of being a witch?*
Did she have Tourette's syndrome?
Did she have epilepsy?
Is this set in Haiti?
Is this set in New Orleans? [But this is a promising line of inquiry]
Was the proof a voodoo doll?
Is this set in South America?
Is this set in Eastern Europe?
So were there 2 murders?
Was she a Shaman?
Is it just not a murder seen from our modern perspective? [Well, obviously the people who executed her considered it a murder, but rather than getting all tangled up in emic and etic perspectives, let's just say no, it isn't a murder at all]
Did the girl kill the mother while being born?
Was she alive but considered "dead" by others?
Was she considered a zombie slave under their religion?
Did she have a birthmark (that was seen as proof against her)?
This isn't about abortion is it?
* Yes and No
Cassie solves one half of the mystery (the evidence against her: being albino)! Just to be clear, the other half (the alibi) is more or less independent, and relates to another piece of African folklore. Just to try and speed things up a bit, I'll highlight the most relevant clues so far:
Yes
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
No
Was her alibi that she was dead?*
Was she alive during the [supposed] murder?
[A bunch of zombie, vampire, undead, coma, etc. guesses]
Did the girl kill the mother while being born? [Getting warmer...]
Did the "murder" happen before she was born?
Did someone die while she was being born?
Did she die of starvation?
Was she dead at the time of the execution?
Way to go Riaise!
Yes
Did the "murder" happen before she was born?
In Nigerian folklore, there's a belief that some children are â€" or are possessed by â€" cruel spirits, who cause the child to die and be reborn over and over to the same parents, just in order to cause them grief (presumably this belief is a way to deal with the heartbreak of high child mortality). These children/evil spirits are known as "ogbanje" to the Igbo and as "abiku" to the Yoruba, and the beliefs appear in the novels Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe and The Famished Road by Ben Okri.
There's also a lot of African superstition tied to people with albinism: bits of albino corpses are thought to have magical properties, and people with albinism are regularly murdered for trophies in several African countries (including in Nigeria). Albinos are often feared and mistrusted, and according to Wikipedia they are sometimes thought to bring curses on those around them. Albinism is a hereditary trait caused by a recessive gene, and Nigeria has a very high incidence of albinism relative to the population (many carriers of the recessive gene).
So, although I can't vouch for this imaginary case being correct in every detail, it seems depressingly possible:
An albino girl is born into a family in a poor, remote region of Nigeria. When she is still young, disease sweeps the village, killing both the girl and many other children. People say that she brought a curse upon the village with her witchcraft. Soon after, her parents have another child, another albino girl. People say that this girl is an ogbanje, the same girl (really her sister) reborn to plague the village once again. For the curse that killed the children, she is executed, and then ritually mutilated to prevent further reincarnation.
Yay! That was a good one, Snarky. It's always interesting to find out about other cultures, even the less savoury aspects.
Cassie can take the next case, if she wants it. Otherwise, anyone else can step in. :)
Really interesting case Snarky.
That was a cool case, and educational too, if in a dark and depressing kind of way.
As Cassie or anyone else hasn't grabbed the helm yet (and I suspect Cassie is a bit busy with her BSG game) I hope noone minds if I jump in...
We haven't had a round played from the first-person perspective yet, so maybe it could be interesting...
Ask me any questions about my situation, I don't think they need to be pure yes or no for this case as I can only report back on what I can personally sense or do about my situation:
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
NO
* YES and NO
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
After a brief bit of thought about this round I changed the rules after dayowlron's post. Sorry about that...
Any kind of question, pure yes or no, or otherwise, is now allowed, but I can only answer what is within my ability to do so:
Also, no need to limit questions to three, but please don't go crazy unless you are formulating a serious theory...
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
OTHER QUESTIONS
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Are you human?
Are you an Unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
What can I hear?
What can I feel with my hands?
What can I taste?
What can I smell?
Kweepa, the questions have to be answerable with yes or no.Sorry just now saw the rule change he made.
Do you smell something bad?
Can you feel anything hot?
Do you hear loud noises?
If you accept open ended questions I suppose asking Where am I would be going too far. LOL
After a brief bit of thought about this round I changed the rules after dayowlron's post. Sorry about that...
Any kind of question, pure yes or no, or otherwise, is now allowed, but I can only answer what is within my ability to do so:
Also, no need to limit questions to three, but please don't go crazy unless you are formulating a serious theory...
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? - I smell animals and something musty.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Not sure if you'll consider this a fair question or not...
What am I?
Are you alive?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? - I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? - I am a baby cat.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Quote from: CaptainD on Fri 07/07/2017 23:36:07
Not sure if you'll consider this a fair question or not...
Any questions are fine, but our character will only be able to answer the ones they know the answers to, otherwise the questions will just go to the "I DON'T KNOW" section.
Is the fur that of your mother?
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes),
that is near to mommy and together with her siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Is it wet where you are?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (And is that the solution?)
Are the other cats awake?
Are there any people nearby?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Is it fair game to ask what can you see?
Are the light on?
Can you open your eyes?
Is your mother alive?
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed?
Are you all in a sack? :cry:
How do you feel? (comforted/nervous/scared/etc)
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Quote from: Morgan LeFlay on Sat 08/07/2017 14:59:39
Is it fair game to ask what can you see?
Like I said before, it's okay to ask any questions, but they will only be answered with how much information the main character has available to them...
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? :~(
Don't think so, when the mother cat is there two, and the top of the sack seems to be open...
Maybe someone is bicycling with the cats hanging on the bike's stearing wheel, and taking them to the vet or a rescue center?
But it's odd that the mother is there and calm... :-\ So she's must be used to traveling in a sack...
Can the sack be a transport box?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
Can the sack be a transport box? (Yes, I think someone is taking us somewhere in this sack.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? (No, our owner wouldn't do that.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Thoughts: You're likely traveling in a car in a bag, you're smelling just car smells and hearing the rumbling and noises of the car, though if that is the case I'm not sure if we need to specify the destination or if that's enough. Maybe you're all headed off to be sold, or to the vet, or any other number of things.
Quote from: Morgan LeFlay on Sun 09/07/2017 05:46:07
Thoughts: You're likely traveling in a car in a bag, you're smelling just car smells and hearing the rumbling and noises of the car, though if that is the case I'm not sure if we need to specify the destination or if that's enough. Maybe you're all headed off to be sold, or to the vet, or any other number of things.
I think there are still some specific facts that need discovering before the exact situation can be answered (although a leap of intuition is possible at this point perhaps)...
How many siblings do you have?
Are you from a well-to-do family?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
Can the sack be a transport box? (Yes, I think someone is taking us somewhere in this sack.)
Are you from a well-to-do family? (Yes, my owner's family lives in luxury.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? (No, our owner wouldn't do that.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
How many siblings do you have? ~ I have six siblings.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Are you by any chance going to market?
Is your owner pretending you are piglets as a prize, only to "let the cat out of the bag" later?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
Can the sack be a transport box? (Yes, I think someone is taking us somewhere in this sack.)
Are you from a well-to-do family? (Yes, my owner's family lives in luxury.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? (No, our owner wouldn't do that.)
Is your owner pretending you are piglets as a prize, only to "let the cat out of the bag" later? (I doubt it. Our family seems well-off enough.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
How many siblings do you have? ~ I have six siblings.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Are you by any chance going to market?
Do you know how old you are?
Have you been vaccinated before?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
Can the sack be a transport box? (Yes, I think someone is taking us somewhere in this sack.)
Are you from a well-to-do family? (Yes, my owner's family lives in luxury.)
Do you know how old you are? (A few weeks old I guess, but not so relevant.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? (No, our owner wouldn't do that.)
Is your owner pretending you are piglets as a prize, only to "let the cat out of the bag" later? (I doubt it. Our family seems well-off enough.)
Have you been vaccinated before? (Well, I don't really know what that means, but I don't think so.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
How many siblings do you have? ~ I have six siblings.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Are you by any chance going to market?
Have your owners said goodbye to you or your mother before you all were given into the sack?
Are you on the way to a new home to be able to stay together?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
Can the sack be a transport box? (Yes, I think someone is taking us somewhere in this sack.)
Are you from a well-to-do family? (Yes, my owner's family lives in luxury.)
Do you know how old you are? (A few weeks old I guess, but not so relevant.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? (No, our owner wouldn't do that.)
Is your owner pretending you are piglets as a prize, only to "let the cat out of the bag" later? (I doubt it. Our family seems well-off enough.)
Have you been vaccinated before? (Well, I don't really know what that means, but I don't think so.)
Have your owners said goodbye to you or your mother before you all were given into the sack?
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
How many siblings do you have? ~ I have six siblings.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Are you by any chance going to market?
Are you on the way to a new home to be able to stay together?
Are the owners moving house and taking their pets with them?
Is the number of siblings significant?
What is the last thing you remember before being in the sack?
Are you a rare breed of cat?
Is it possible that you've been kidnapped?
Case #47
I'm in a dark, warm place but I don't know what's going on! Help me find out!
YES
Is there any strange sounds that would help us know where you are located?
Can you feel anything hot? (Well, warm, not painfully hot.)
Do you hear loud noises?
Are you alive?
Is the fur that of your mother? (Yes, some of it is.)
Are you near to mommy and together with your siblings who feel the same like you?
Do you sense movement?
Are the other cats awake?
Can you open your eyes? (Yes, they are already open.)
Is your mother alive?
Are you all in a sack? (Yes, that explains a lot! Thank you!)
Can the sack be a transport box? (Yes, I think someone is taking us somewhere in this sack.)
Are you from a well-to-do family? (Yes, my owner's family lives in luxury.)
Do you know how old you are? (A few weeks old I guess, but not so relevant.)
Is the number of siblings significant? (Breaking the 4th-wall here for the sake of this hint.)
NO
Can you tell if you are indoors?
Are you human?
Are you an unborn?
Are you in an egg, ready to hatch?
Do you smell something bad?
Are you a very young baby cat (with still closed eyes)?
Is it wet where you are?
Are your siblings feeding off the mother? (Well, they probably do now and then, as do I, but not relevant.)
Is this about the once common practice of drowning unwanted kittens? (No, our owner wouldn't do that.)
Is your owner pretending you are piglets as a prize, only to "let the cat out of the bag" later? (I doubt it. Our family seems well-off enough.)
Have you been vaccinated before? (Well, I don't really know what that means, but I don't think so.)
Have your owners said goodbye to you or your mother before you all were given into the sack?
Are you a rare breed of cat? (No, we have too many different colours and patterns. We are all cross-breeds.)
Is it possible that you've been kidnapped? (Catnapped? No, our owner-mommy put us in this sack.)
OTHER QUESTIONS
What can I hear? ~ A continuous rumbling sound and a repeating squeaking sound.
What can I feel with my hands? ~ I don't have "hands" as such, but I feel warm fur and something coarse surrounding me.
What can I taste? ~ I have nothing to taste in my mouth.
What can I smell? ~ I smell animals and something musty.
What am I? ~ I am a baby cat.
Does the squeaking sound sound more like an animal (mouse) or like that of a rocking chair? ~ It sounds, not exactly, but more like the latter.
What can you see? ~ I see mostly blackness, except for a tiny circle of light somewhere above me...
Is your mother afraid or is she relaxed? ~ She doesn't seem to be all that afraid. Seems quite okay with the situation.
How do you feel? ~ I feel both confused and yet comfortable with what is going on.
How many siblings do you have? ~ I have six siblings.
What is the last thing you remember before being in the sack? ~ Our human owner-mommy putting us into the sack.
I DON'T KNOW
Are you in the desert in the middle of the night?
Where am I?
Are there any people nearby?
Are the light on?
Are you by any chance going to market?
Are you on the way to a new home to be able to stay together?
Are the owners moving house and taking their pets with them?
Based on the number of siblings - do you know of a place called St Ives?
Quote from: Riaise on Mon 10/07/2017 13:03:59
Based on the number of siblings - do you know of a place called St Ives?
WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!Indeed, the little kitty in our story is one of the "kits" in the famous riddle:
As I was going to St. Ives,
I met a man with seven wives,
Each wife had seven sacks,
Each sack had seven cats,
Each cat had seven kits:
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives,
How many were there going to St. Ives?I thought it would be a bit of meta fun to have a riddle about a character
inside a riddle, and play the round in first-person perspective from that character who doesn't know they are merely a pawn in a riddle...
Actually, Riaise, I thought you were already onto the solution when you asked how many siblings the kitten has...
Well, very well done, and over to you if you want the next round!
P.S:
Spoiler
I was surprised that nobody attempted to peek out through the slightly open top of the sack. I had an answer written in my head for that where the kitten would have seen a man driving a horse-drawn wagon, behind him sits seven women, and in the back of the wagon are at least a few more sacks... (The rumbling/squeaking sound was the sound of the wagon's wheels on the ground, and one of the axels which needs a bit of oil...)
That was a good one, Mandle! Maybe sometime someone can combine that idea with Snarky's from a while ago and make a first person murder mystery? Where we play as the police trying to find clues or something?
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 10/07/2017 14:00:35Actually, Riaise, I thought you were already onto the solution when you asked how many siblings the kitten has...
Well, very well done, and over to you if you want the next round!
Haha, no, I was thinking of something completely different.
Spoiler
The scene in the Disney film The Aristocats, where Edgar kidnaps Duchess and her kittens. Even though I knew it couldn't be that because you already said that the cats were all awake. But I couldn't get that theory out of my head. (laugh)
I haven't got any ideas at the moment, so someone else can take the next round! ;-D
Quote from: Riaise on Mon 10/07/2017 15:26:49
Maybe sometime someone can combine that idea with Snarky's from a while ago and make a first person murder mystery? Where we play as the police trying to find clues or something?
Yeah, I've been thinking on one like that for a while now, and have some of the story done in my mind, but not enough yet to present it as a case (yeah, I have time to think about fun stuff like this on my way to work and back on my bicycle. That's my musing time...)
So, open to anyone then, (or Riaise if she comes up with one in the meanwhile)...
I feel cheated on this one, as I don't know (or didn't) this riddle... :P
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Mon 10/07/2017 16:25:28
I feel cheated on this one, as I don't know (or didn't) this riddle... :P
Well, some riddles require specific knowledge.
It's not an obscure riddle, in fact it first appeared in 1730, author unknown, survived until now, and was even used in a textbook I use for kids at my school and in Die Hard 3, so it must be famous right?..... right?....Erm...
And...cough...Google...cough...
By the way, what is your answer to the riddle? I'd be interested to hear the answers from people who have never heard it before...
Well, seems to me that she could jus be taking the kittens to the vet to get them their health check and vaccines. ;)
Nice! :cool:
But see John Finnemore (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fg48) for a discussion of the likelihood that 56 cats and kittens stuffed into one bag are "quite OK with the situation" â€" or what a wife capable of carrying seven such sacks must be like. (For my own part, I also question why the count of "how many" should possibly include the sacks.)
Well it doesnt matter whether you count the sacks or not cause the answer to the riddle is just 1.
and there was 49 total sacks with 7 kittens each so 343 kittens each with 7 kits so 2,401 kits. making 2744 cats, 7 wives and the man so going away from st ives would be 2,752. + himself would be 2,753.
My point to the riddle is it says he met them while going to st ives. It does not state whether they just joined him on his walk or they were walking the other way. so it could be 2,753 or 1.
LOL
Reminds me of the "What color was the white horse of Napolean?" (laugh) (roll)
or who is buried in Grant's tomb?
Quote from: dayowlron on Mon 10/07/2017 21:38:14
My point to the riddle is it says he met them while going to st ives. It does not state whether they just joined him on his walk or they were walking the other way. so it could be 2,753 or 1.
I have thought of a few other possibilities over the years (assuming the answer is not the more likely "1") :
* Including the sacks could be a misdirection, and you
are perhaps only supposed to count living things.
* "Each wife had seven sacks": The riddle doesn't specifically state whether the wives have the sacks with them or not. As in: "I met a man who had millions of dollars."
* Similarly: "Each cat had seven kits": It doesn't say whether the kittens are with the mother cats or not. As in: "I met this woman that had 22 kids!"
* But my favorite is: "I met a man with seven wives". Similar to the two above: It doesn't say the wives are currently travelling with the man. As in: "Do you know Pete The Polygamist? He's that guy with 3 wives!" (so my favorite other valid answer to the riddle is: 2)
Quote from: Snarky on Mon 10/07/2017 17:43:06
But see John Finnemore (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fg48) for a discussion of the likelihood that 56 cats and kittens stuffed into one bag are "quite OK with the situation" â€" or what a wife capable of carrying seven such sacks must be like.
Yeah, hahaha.. But as the story takes place within the unrealistic world of the riddle this allowed for some less than realistic answers.
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Mon 10/07/2017 17:07:49
Well, seems to me that she could jus be taking the kittens to the vet to get them their health check and vaccines. ;)
The riddle takes place during the 18th century (or earlier). There were no vaccines and I doubt there were the kind of vets that treated cats. ;)
...Bueller?...
Okay, it seems no takers so I might try something experimental for this thread:
Adventure game style where you name actions to take instead of asking questions... Yeah, it's been done in other threads but let's have a go in here maybe?
Case #48
Paragraph #1: The Pointing Finger
You, a freelance but well-known sleuth, arrive at the scene of the crime well ahead of the police. Monitering their radio bands on your scanner has often paid off in the past. The corpse of the old man lies splayed over the impressive mahogany desk of his private study. His glazed eyes are open and his face is fixed in a mask of fear. His left hand is frozen in rictus reaching towards an intricate wooden box lying upon the desk. His right arm is stretched out in the other direction and the hand seems to be pointing at something.
You have:
Your Notepad.
Your Pen.
Your Keys.
Your Wallet.
PROGRESS
NON-PROGRESS
So, I think the way this will work is I will put every action that doesn't work into the NON-PROGRESS list and every action that did work into the PROGRESS list and update the thread as appropriate.
This case does have an over-reaching story-arc but it will be played one step, or "paragraph", at a time. So basically, solve the current puzzle, and then the next unlocks kind of gameplay.
Oh, and adventure game logic will be FULLY in play here! Only what is mentioned in the case will be available for use. Old-school style!
Look at wooden box.
Look at direction the right arm seems to be pointing.
Case #48
Paragraph #1: The Pointing Finger
You, a freelance but well-known sleuth, arrive at the scene of the crime well ahead of the police. Monitering their radio bands on your scanner has often paid off in the past. The corpse of the old man lies splayed over the impressive mahogany desk of his private study. His glazed eyes are open and his face is fixed in a mask of fear. His left hand is frozen in rictus reaching towards an intricate wooden box lying upon the desk. His right arm is stretched out in the other direction and the hand seems to be pointing at something.
You have:
Your Notepad.
Your Pen.
Your Keys.
Your Wallet.
PROGRESS
Look at wooden box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time before the police arrive to figure out.
Look at direction the right arm seems to be pointing. ~ You peer along the line of sight from the right hand, but cannot tell exactly what it is pointing at. This study is a jumble of stuff.
NON-PROGRESS
Open wooden box.
Check for wounds on the body.
Check for any identification on the body.
Yes! This should be fun! :-D
Examine study. (For a more general description of the room itself)
Examine desk.
Case #48
Paragraph #1: The Pointing Finger
You, a freelance but well-known sleuth, arrive at the scene of the crime well ahead of the police. Monitoring their radio bands on your scanner has often paid off in the past. The corpse of the old man lies splayed over the impressive mahogany desk of his private study. His glazed eyes are open and his face is fixed in a mask of fear. His left hand is frozen in rictus reaching towards the spot where an intricate wooden box was lying upon the desk until you took it. His right arm is stretched out in the other direction and the hand seems to be pointing at something.
You hear police sirens in the distance but closing in fast.
You have:
Your Notepad. ~ It is a basic model with a black card-paper cover and backing. These and the pages in-between are held together by a spiraling wire at the top as is common with most notepads. Nothing of current importance is written in the notepad.
Your Pen. ~ It's a black ballpoint pen. It has a button at the top you click to extend/retract the ballpoint.
Your Keys.
Your Wallet. ~ It contains just the usual stuff. Nothing useful for this paragraph.
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time on, before the police arrive, to figure out.
PROGRESS
Look at wooden box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time on, before the police arrive, to figure out.
Look at direction the right arm seems to be pointing. ~ You peer along the line of sight from the right hand, but cannot tell exactly what it is pointing at. This study is a jumble of stuff.
Look in the direction that the man's eyes are facing. ~ The dead man's eyes are staring in about the same direction as his pointing finger. There must be something important over there, but you can't tell exactly where or what.
Take box. ~ You grab the box. You have passed the point of no return by disturbing the crime scene. Now you must leave before the cops get here or you're in even deeper shit than just by being here, but you feel that first solving the mystery of the pointing finger is vital. Speaking of cops, you can now hear sirens in the distance but growing closer.
Is there anything written in my notepad? ~ You look at your notepad. It is a basic model with a black card-paper cover and backing. These and the pages in-between are held together by a spiraling wire at the top as is common with most notepads. Nothing of current importance is written in the notepad.
Shake the box. ~ There is something heavy and metalic that thumps around inside the wooden box.
Did the man live alone? ~ Yes, he was a rich old miser and a bitter loner. More about him in paragraph #2. No time for thinking about his history right now.
Examine pen. ~ It's a black ballpoint pen. It has a button at the top you click to extend/retract the ballpoint.
NON-PROGRESS
Open wooden box. ~ You have no idea how to, and no time for trial-and-error.
Check for wounds on the body. ~ He appears unwounded, but no time for a detailed search.
Check for any identification on the body. ~ You already know the man's identity. It's not something you need to worry about right now in Paragraph #1.
Examine study. ~ It's an old, rich man's study jumbled full of treasures and junk. Which is which is not obvious. There are no further hotspots for now.
Examine desk. ~ A huge mahogany desk, probably worth more than your car, but no time to rifle through it. The police will be here any minute!
Examine left hand ~ Nothing special except for what's mentioned in the story.
Examine right hand ~ Nothing special except for what's mentioned in the story.
Draw designs on box in Notepad ~ That would take too long. No time!
Use pen to draw a line from the guy's right hand to see more specifically where it points. ~ It would still be too far from the edge of the desk to whatever he was pointing at to narrow it down enough.
What is in my wallet? ~ Just the usual stuff. Nothing useful for this paragraph.
Am I supposed to guess what the finger could be pointing to? ~ No.
Open the man's right hand/ Move the man's right hand/ Use pen to carefully lift the man's right hand. ~ You're too worried these would destroy your chances over ever uncovering this clue. Also: Not needed.
Describe the body. What is the man wearing? ~ He is dead and wearing rich man clothes. Everything important about the body is mentioned above in the story.
Do you see anything out of place or unusual for a study? ~ The place is a jumble of too much stuff to look at everything in a short time, but nothing catches your eye as glaringly out of place.
What time is it? ~ Night-time.
Is the window open? ~ No.
Examine "corner" where the right hand is pointing at. ~ Too much jumble, too little time.
Listen to radio scanner again. ~ The radio scanner is built into your car, which is parked around the block.
>Examine left hand
>Examine right hand
>Draw designs on box in Notepad
We haven't had one of these sort of games for a long time... WHAM used to do them (but more general adventure game style rather than a specific detective case like this - I think this is a great idea btw ;-D)
Cheers, I hope it's a bit of fun.
By the way, as the case notes could get rather long I'm just going to update the one at the top of this page whenever someone posts some actions. At least until we get to the next page of thread.
Look in the direction that the man's eyes are facing.
Take box.
Updated above.
Use pen to draw a line from the guy's right hand to see more specifically where it points.
Updated above.
Is there anything written on your notepad?
What is in your wallet?
Are we supposed to guess what the finger could be pointing to? what kind of stuff is in that direction?
Updated above.
Perhaps the "pointing" is misdirection and the man has something in or underneath his hand?
Open the man's right hand. Or
Move the man's right hand. Unless that would disturb the crime scene too much. (laugh)
Following Riaise's trail of thought, just wanted to add a little detail to this "messing up the crime scene"...
Use pen to carefully lift the man's right hand. ;)
Updated above.
Shake the box.
Describe the body. What is the man wearing?
Do you see anything out of place or unusual for a study?
Which time is it?
Is the window open?
Did the man live alone?
Updated above...
Also, please remember that this case is running on 100% enriched adventure game logic, as mentioned before: There is an obvious puzzle that needs solving and the means to do this are already all mentioned at least in the main post. There is no need to scrounge around every nook and cranny of the study and/or the dead body (ewwwwwwwww)...
Sorry if this is frustrating but otherwise the game becomes an ever-increasing spiral of small details that lead to more small details which all eventually obscure any chance of progress.
I guess what I mean to say is: Play it like it's an adventure game, moreso than a tabletop RPG game with a live DM sitting right there in front of you, because other such threads have kind of shown that this kind of gameplay gets overwhelming quite fast for the DM and confusing for the players...
Examine "corner" where the right hand is pointing at... ???
Updated above.
(Also copied descriptions of inventory items to inventory list for convienience as post is getting quite jumbled itself)
Listen to radio scanner again.
Updated above.
Leave the study?!
Examine pen.
Case #48
Paragraph #1: The Pointing Finger
You, a freelance but well-known sleuth, arrive at the scene of the crime well ahead of the police. Monitoring their radio bands on your scanner has often paid off in the past. The corpse of the old man lies splayed over the impressive mahogany desk of his private study. His glazed eyes are open and his face is fixed in a mask of fear. His left hand is frozen in rigor mortis reaching towards the spot where an intricate wooden box was lying upon the desk until you took it. His right arm is stretched out in the other direction and the hand seems to be pointing at something.
Currently your laser-pointer is bound to the dead man's finger with a length of flexible wire spring you removed from your notepad. The laser-pointer is switched on. It projects a red dot on the far wall which contains a bookcase. The red dot lies exactly in the middle of the spine of a thick black book.
The book has no title on its spine. Instead, it has only designs similar to the ones on the wooden box, which also seem to be embossed gold. At the center of the pattern is the image of an unusual gold key, seemingly embossed in sharp relief so as to appear very real.
Upon further inspection, the thick black "book" is just a fake book spine built solidly into the bookcase! In fact, it seems all the "books" in this bookcase are fakes! The entire bookcase seems a farce designed to hide this one important "book".
Looking closer at the golden key in the book's spine, you notice it doesn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key is a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seems to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key is a circle embossed with the number "7". The more you look at the key, the realer it seems.
When you try to take the key, your fingers can find no purchase on it, but it does seem to move around slightly in its setting as you fumble with it. It IS a real gold key, embedded in the fake book spine! But embedded too neatly for your fingers to extract.
The police sirens are almost certainly just down the block! This block!!!
The windows and study are now awash with the flashing blue lights of the approaching police cars!!!
You have:
Loose Pages. ~ A loose collection of the black card-paper cover, backing, and pages that were once your notepad. They fell apart when you removed the spiraling wire that held them together. Nothing of current importance is written on the pages.
Your Pen. ~ It's a black ballpoint pen. It has a button at the top you click to extend/retract the ballpoint.
Your Keys. ~ On the key-ring jingle your apartment key, your car key, and a few more unimportant or forgotten keys. Also hanging from the key-ring was a small novelty laser-pointer you bought to play with your cat. You took off the laser-pointer.
Your Wallet. ~ It contains just the usual stuff. Nothing useful for this paragraph.
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time on, before the police arrive, to figure out.
On Pointing Finger:
Your Laser-Pointer. ~ It's a small novelty laser-pointer which was hanging from your key ring. You bought it to play with your cat. It's a thin silver cylinder about 3 centimeters long. It has an on/off toggle button on one end and the laser beam comes out the other end. It is currently bound to the pointing finger of the dead man with the length of flexible wire spring from your notepad. The laser-pointer is currently turned on.
Wire Spring. ~ It's the length of flexible wire spring you removed from your notepad and used to bind your laser-pointer to the pointing finger of the dead man.
PROGRESS
Look at wooden box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time on, before the police arrive, to figure out.
Look at direction the right arm seems to be pointing. ~ You peer along the line of sight from the right hand, but cannot tell exactly what it is pointing at. This study is a jumble of stuff.
Look in the direction that the man's eyes are facing. ~ The dead man's eyes are staring in about the same direction as his pointing finger. There must be something important over there, but you can't tell exactly where or what.
Take box. ~ You grab the box. You have passed the point of no return by disturbing the crime scene. Now you must leave before the cops get here or you're in even deeper shit than just by being here, but you feel that first solving the mystery of the pointing finger is vital. Speaking of cops, you can now hear sirens in the distance but growing closer.
Is there anything written in my notepad? ~ You look at your notepad. It is a basic model with a black card-paper cover and backing. These and the pages in-between are held together by a spiraling wire at the top as is common with most notepads. Nothing of current importance is written in the notepad.
Shake the box. ~ There is something heavy and metalic that thumps around inside the wooden box.
Did the man live alone? ~ Yes, he was a rich old miser and a bitter loner. More about him in paragraph #2. No time for thinking about his history right now.
Examine pen. ~ It's a black ballpoint pen. It has a button at the top you click to extend/retract the ballpoint.
Examine keys. ~ On the key-ring jingle your apartment key, your car key, and a few more unimportant or forgotten keys. Also hanging from the key-ring is a small novelty laser-pointer you bought to play with your cat.
Use the laser pointer to point in the direction the hand is pointing. ~ You take the laser-pointer off from the keyring. You line up the beam with the direction the finger is pointing and turn on the laser-pointer. A small red dot appears in the darkness over at the room's edge, but it's too far away in the darkness to see exactly what the red dot is on. Also, you estimate that the police sirens are now only a few blocks away!!!
Pull wire from spine of notepad and use it to bind the laser pointer to the finger. Then follow the beam to its target. ~ In a moment of ad-lib genius that rivals MacGyver you carefully bind the laser-pointer to the finger, frozen in unnaturally powerful rigor mortis, using the flexible wire spring you took from the notepad. You walk over to the red dot on a far bookshelf and find that it is exactly in the middle of a thick, black book. The book has no title on its spine. Instead, it has only designs similar to the ones on the wooden box, which also seem to be embossed gold. At the center of the pattern is the image of an unusual gold key, seemingly embossed in sharp relief so as to appear very real. The police sirens are now almost certainly just down the block! This block!!!
Take book. ~ What the...?! The thick black "book" is just a fake book spine built solidly into the bookcase! In fact, it seems all the "books" in this bookcase are fakes! The entire bookcase seems a farce designed to hide this one important "book". You'll have to think quick! You can't bring yourself to give up and leave just yet, not when you feel so close to solving the mystery of the pointing finger, but flashing blue lights are starting to show in the windows!
Examine key in book spine. ~ You look closer at the golden key in the book's spine. It doesn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key is a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seems to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key is a circle embossed with the number "7". The more you look at the key, the realer it seems.
Take key. ~ Your fingers can find no purchase on the key, but it does seem to move around slightly in its setting as you fumble with it. It IS a real gold key, embedded in the fake book spine! But embedded too neatly for your fingers to extract. The windows and study are now awash with the flashing blue lights of the approaching police cars!!!
Use your own Keys to dig out Gold Key. ~ All of your keys are too thick to fit in the snug setting of the gold key.
NON-PROGRESS
Open wooden box. ~ You have no idea how to, and no time for trial-and-error.
Check for wounds on the body. ~ He appears unwounded, but no time for a detailed search.
Check for any identification on the body. ~ You already know the man's identity. It's not something you need to worry about right now in Paragraph #1.
Examine study. ~ It's an old, rich man's study jumbled full of treasures and junk. Which is which is not obvious. There are no further hotspots for now.
Examine desk. ~ A huge mahogany desk, probably worth more than your car, but no time to rifle through it. The police will be here any minute!
Examine left hand ~ Nothing special except for what's mentioned in the story.
Examine right hand ~ Nothing special except for what's mentioned in the story.
Draw designs on box in Notepad ~ That would take too long. No time!
Use pen to draw a line from the guy's right hand to see more specifically where it points. ~ It would still be too far from the edge of the desk to whatever he was pointing at to narrow it down enough.
What is in my wallet? ~ Just the usual stuff. Nothing useful for this paragraph.
Am I supposed to guess what the finger could be pointing to? ~ No.
Open the man's right hand/ Move the man's right hand/ Use pen to carefully lift the man's right hand. ~ You're too worried these would destroy your chances over ever uncovering this clue. Also: Not needed.
Describe the body. What is the man wearing? ~ He is dead and wearing rich man clothes. Everything important about the body is mentioned above in the story.
Do you see anything out of place or unusual for a study? ~ The place is a jumble of too much stuff to look at everything in a short time, but nothing catches your eye as glaringly out of place.
What time is it? ~ Night-time.
Is the window open? ~ No.
Examine "corner" where the right hand is pointing at. ~ Too much jumble, too little time.
Listen to radio scanner again. ~ The radio scanner is built into your car, which is parked around the block.
Draw the shape of the body in notebook - does it look like a letter? ~ You doubt it, and no time for sketching. The cops are drawing closer. Tick-tock.
Updated above.
Quote from: Kumpel on Sun 16/07/2017 09:49:34
Leave the study?!
Sorry, it already says above that you strongly sense you must solve the mystery of the pointing finger before leaving the crime scene. Adventure game logic FTW!
Use the Box with the pointing finger to have it magically opened!
Quote from: Mandle on Sun 16/07/2017 12:07:25
Adventure game logic FTW!
(laugh)(laugh)(laugh)
Quote from: Kumpel on Sun 16/07/2017 13:45:58
Use the Box with the pointing finger to have it magically opened! Quote from: Mandle on Sun 16/07/2017 12:07:25
Adventure game logic FTW!
(laugh)(laugh)(laugh)
(wrong)(wrong)(wrong)
Examine keys. Just to complete the inventory examination set. (laugh)
I'm pretty stumped, actually. Looking at what is in the Progress section, I'm thinking perhaps we have to draw or write something in the notepad? But I don't know what since we can't determine what is important in the jumble of stuff... :-\
Examine floor around desk?
Is there anything else on the desk that might be interesting for the case?
Check man's pocket's.
Updated above.
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 16/07/2017 21:51:02
Examine floor around desk?
Is there anything else on the desk that might be interesting for the case?
Check man's pocket's.
These have all been tried or discounted in one form or another.
Draw the shape of the body in notebook - does it look like a letter?
Ah, I missed the laser pointer! Use the laser pointer to point in the direction the hand is pointing.
use the notepad and pen to make rubbings of the wooden box that you can examin in greater detail later.
Or
Leave the room. Take the box and get out of there before the police come.
Updated above.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Mon 17/07/2017 01:55:52
use the notepad and pen to make rubbings of the wooden box that you can examin in greater detail later.
Or
Leave the room. Take the box and get out of there before the police come.
Actions too similar to these have been attempted without success, and these do not work for the same reasons.
I'd rather not clutter the main post too much though with similar actions so I'll just answer here:
No go! (laugh)
Sorry, I thought they were different enough from other suggestions.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Mon 17/07/2017 03:50:53
Sorry, I thought they were different enough from other suggestions.
No need for sorries. Just the way I called it I suppose. Anyways, not the way(s) forward... ;)
Pull wire from spine of notepad and use it to bind the laser pointer to the finger, making sure the wire is tight enough to press the button. Then follow the beam to its target.
Updated above.
Kweepa just crushin' it!!! (nod)
Good work, everyone! :-D
Take book.
Leave study.
Updated above.
Examine key in book spine.
Take key. (If possible)
Updated above.
Use your own Keys to dig out Gold Key.
Updated above.
Use nib of ballpoint pen to dig out Gold Key.
...
(You're going to tell me that's too thick too, aren't you?! :-D)
Case #48
Paragraph #1: The Pointing Finger
You, a freelance but well-known sleuth, arrived at the scene of the crime well ahead of the police. Monitoring their radio bands on your scanner has often paid off in the past. The corpse of the old man lies splayed over the impressive mahogany desk of his private study. His glazed eyes are open and his face is fixed in a mask of fear. His left hand is frozen in rigor mortis reaching towards the spot where an intricate wooden box was lying upon the desk until you took it. His right arm is stretched out in the other direction and the hand seems to be pointing at something.
Currently your laser-pointer is bound to the dead man's finger with a length of flexible wire spring you removed from your notepad. The laser-pointer is switched on. It projects a red dot on the far wall which contains a bookcase. The red dot lies exactly in the middle of the spine of a thick black book.
The book has no title on its spine. Instead, it has only designs similar to the ones on the wooden box, which also seem to be embossed gold. At the center of the pattern was the image of an unusual gold key, seemingly embossed in sharp relief so as to appear very real.
Upon further inspection, the thick black "book" is just a fake book spine built solidly into the bookcase! In fact, it seems all the "books" in this bookcase are fakes! The entire bookcase seems a farce designed to hide this one important "book".
Looking closer at the golden key in the book's spine, you noticed it didn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key was a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seemed to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key was a circle embossed with the number "7". The more you looked at the key, the realer it seemed.
When you tried to take the key, your fingers could find no purchase on it, but it did seem to move around slightly in its setting as you fumbled with it. It WAS a real gold key, embedded in the fake book spine! It was embedded too neatly for your fingers to extract, but...
Just now you have dug the gold key out from its snug setting with the sharp tip of your fine-point pen and it falls into your waiting hand!
The police sirens have cut off right outside the house as several units screech in, followed quickly by the sound of opening car doors!!!
The windows and study are now awash with the flashing blue lights of the police cars right outside!!!
The unlocked back door you came in through is your only escape option.
You have:
Loose Pages. ~ A loose collection of the black card-paper cover, backing, and pages that were once your notepad. They fell apart when you removed the spiraling wire that held them together. Nothing of current importance is written on the pages.
Your Pen. ~ It's a black ballpoint pen. It has a button at the top you click to extend/retract the ballpoint.
Your Keys. ~ On the key-ring jingle your apartment key, your car key, and a few more unimportant or forgotten keys. Also hanging from the key-ring was a small novelty laser-pointer you bought to play with your cat. You took off the laser-pointer.
Your Wallet. ~ It contains just the usual stuff. Nothing useful for this paragraph.
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time on, before the police arrive, to figure out.
A Gold Key. ~ It doesn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key is a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seems to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key is a circle embossed with the number "7".
On Pointing Finger:
Your Laser-Pointer. ~ It's a small novelty laser-pointer which was hanging from your key ring. You bought it to play with your cat. It's a thin silver cylinder about 3 centimeters long. It has an on/off toggle button on one end and the laser beam comes out the other end. It is currently bound to the pointing finger of the dead man with the length of flexible wire spring from your notepad. The laser-pointer is currently turned on.
Wire Spring. ~ It's the length of flexible wire spring you removed from your notepad and used to bind your laser-pointer to the pointing finger of the dead man.
PROGRESS
Look at wooden box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold, and which you cannot spend the precious time on, before the police arrive, to figure out.
Look at direction the right arm seems to be pointing. ~ You peer along the line of sight from the right hand, but cannot tell exactly what it is pointing at. This study is a jumble of stuff.
Look in the direction that the man's eyes are facing. ~ The dead man's eyes are staring in about the same direction as his pointing finger. There must be something important over there, but you can't tell exactly where or what.
Take box. ~ You grab the box. You have passed the point of no return by disturbing the crime scene. Now you must leave before the cops get here or you're in even deeper shit than just by being here, but you feel that first solving the mystery of the pointing finger is vital. Speaking of cops, you can now hear sirens in the distance but growing closer.
Is there anything written in my notepad? ~ You look at your notepad. It is a basic model with a black card-paper cover and backing. These and the pages in-between are held together by a spiraling wire at the top as is common with most notepads. Nothing of current importance is written in the notepad.
Shake the box. ~ There is something heavy and metalic that thumps around inside the wooden box.
Did the man live alone? ~ Yes, he was a rich old miser and a bitter loner. More about him in paragraph #2. No time for thinking about his history right now.
Examine pen. ~ It's a black ballpoint pen. It has a button at the top you click to extend/retract the ballpoint.
Examine keys. ~ On the key-ring jingle your apartment key, your car key, and a few more unimportant or forgotten keys. Also hanging from the key-ring is a small novelty laser-pointer you bought to play with your cat.
Use the laser pointer to point in the direction the hand is pointing. ~ You take the laser-pointer off from the keyring. You line up the beam with the direction the finger is pointing and turn on the laser-pointer. A small red dot appears in the darkness over at the room's edge, but it's too far away in the darkness to see exactly what the red dot is on. Also, you estimate that the police sirens are now only a few blocks away!!!
Pull wire from spine of notepad and use it to bind the laser pointer to the finger. Then follow the beam to its target. ~ In a moment of ad-lib genius that rivals MacGyver you carefully bind the laser-pointer to the finger, frozen in unnaturally powerful rigor mortis, using the flexible wire spring you took from the notepad. You walk over to the red dot on a far bookshelf and find that it is exactly in the middle of a thick, black book. The book has no title on its spine. Instead, it has only designs similar to the ones on the wooden box, which also seem to be embossed gold. At the center of the pattern is the image of an unusual gold key, seemingly embossed in sharp relief so as to appear very real. The police sirens are now almost certainly just down the block! This block!!!
Take book. ~ What the...?! The thick black "book" is just a fake book spine built solidly into the bookcase! In fact, it seems all the "books" in this bookcase are fakes! The entire bookcase seems a farce designed to hide this one important "book". You'll have to think quick! You can't bring yourself to give up and leave just yet, not when you feel so close to solving the mystery of the pointing finger, but flashing blue lights are starting to show in the windows!
Examine key in book spine. ~ You look closer at the golden key in the book's spine. It doesn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key is a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seems to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key is a circle embossed with the number "7". The more you look at the key, the realer it seems.
Take key. ~ Your fingers can find no purchase on the key, but it does seem to move around slightly in its setting as you fumble with it. It IS a real gold key, embedded in the fake book spine! But embedded too neatly for your fingers to extract. The windows and study are now awash with the flashing blue lights of the approaching police cars!!!
Use your own Keys to dig out Gold Key. ~ All of your keys are too thick to fit in the snug setting of the gold key.
Use nib of ballpoint pen to dig out Gold Key. ~ You click your pen to bring out its fine-point nib and use that to dig the gold key out from the spine of the fake book. Just as the key falls into your waiting hand you hear the first of the police cars screech to a halt outside the house, and the sound of opening car doors... The unlocked back door you came in through is your only escape option.
NON-PROGRESS
Open wooden box. ~ You have no idea how to, and no time for trial-and-error.
Check for wounds on the body. ~ He appears unwounded, but no time for a detailed search.
Check for any identification on the body. ~ You already know the man's identity. It's not something you need to worry about right now in Paragraph #1.
Examine study. ~ It's an old, rich man's study jumbled full of treasures and junk. Which is which is not obvious. There are no further hotspots for now.
Examine desk. ~ A huge mahogany desk, probably worth more than your car, but no time to rifle through it. The police will be here any minute!
Examine left hand ~ Nothing special except for what's mentioned in the story.
Examine right hand ~ Nothing special except for what's mentioned in the story.
Draw designs on box in Notepad ~ That would take too long. No time!
Use pen to draw a line from the guy's right hand to see more specifically where it points. ~ It would still be too far from the edge of the desk to whatever he was pointing at to narrow it down enough.
What is in my wallet? ~ Just the usual stuff. Nothing useful for this paragraph.
Am I supposed to guess what the finger could be pointing to? ~ No.
Open the man's right hand/ Move the man's right hand/ Use pen to carefully lift the man's right hand. ~ You're too worried these would destroy your chances over ever uncovering this clue. Also: Not needed.
Describe the body. What is the man wearing? ~ He is dead and wearing rich man clothes. Everything important about the body is mentioned above in the story.
Do you see anything out of place or unusual for a study? ~ The place is a jumble of too much stuff to look at everything in a short time, but nothing catches your eye as glaringly out of place.
What time is it? ~ Night-time.
Is the window open? ~ No.
Examine "corner" where the right hand is pointing at. ~ Too much jumble, too little time.
Listen to radio scanner again. ~ The radio scanner is built into your car, which is parked around the block.
Draw the shape of the body in notebook - does it look like a letter? ~ You doubt it, and no time for sketching. The cops are drawing closer. Tick-tock.
Updated above.
CaptainD ownin' it!!! (nod)
Turn off Laser-pointer.
Take Laser-pointer.
Take wire.
Exit through back door.
Case #48Paragraph #2: The Wooden Box
You grab the potentially damning evidence of the laser-pointer and wire from August Kilmurray's finger in a flash, being sure to hopelessly disturb the orientation of the pointing finger, and book it towards your escape route. You hear the first thuds and splintering of wood when the police start to batter down the front door as you quietly slip out the back one. You jump in your car you parked around the block and drive at a sedate, almost elderly, pace back to your third floor walk-up apartment, all the while your heart racing four beats a second.
Once safely inside, you grab a beer from the fridge and flop onto the sofa, placing both beer and box on the coffee table in front of you.
Your cat, Sasha, strolls in, complaining about her empty tummy, but then locks eyes on the wooden box, hisses with hackles raised, and darts away to one of her hiding places.
Eyebrows raised, you take off your jacket and throw it, and most of its pockets' contents, somewhere over your shoulder. You'll just let your maid (you) deal with it at some future point.
The one thing you saved from your pockets was the gold key that you went through so much trouble to obtain.
You think back to what you already know about Mr. Kilmurray as you take the first welcome swig from your beer:
August Kilmurray is famous in this smallish town of Downward Dog for having risen suddenly from his poor backwoods roots to the position of power-mongering multi-millionaire within the span of a decade.
He held his corrupt dominion over the town for decades to come, until he finally became a bitter old recluse hiding out in his mansion, and jumping at his own shadow whenever rarely seen around Dog in the plain light of day.
When you heard over your car's radio scanner that a call had been placed to the police reporting screams at his mansion in the dead of night how could you resist racing over there and checking it out?
The box and the key were all he cared about in his last moments, as evidenced by his final repose.
You are a sleuth by habit and trade (as well as a few artistic hobbies) and now it seems perhaps you could have the truth about this infamous figure right here, trapped inside a wooden box, but almost within your grasp.
You have:
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold. You never had the time to examine it carefully while at Kilmurray's mansion, except for when you shook it and heard something heavy and metallic thumping around inside. Now that you have time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. You have no idea what each glyph could mean, but all six are distinct and different. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. Currently the gold key is inserted in a discrete keyhole you found in a corner of the box. After turning the key one full circle, and hearing a click, a previously unseen button popped up next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK". When you pushed the button you heard a substantial "CLICK". The button did not come back up. Turning the key a full circle again produced the same click, and the button popped back out. After a search on the internet you have discovered what all the glyphs mean:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: Female
A Gold Key. ~ It doesn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key is a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seems to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key is a circle embossed with the number "7". The key is currently inserted in a discrete keyhole in one of the box's corners.
A Beer. ~ A freshly opened bottle of Wudbeiser beer. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. You have had 3 swigs of the beer.
Internet Access. ~ Your tablet lies on the table next to the box and beer.
A Tiny Roll Of Paper. ~ This tiny paper you found inside the gold key reads:
As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong.
PROGRESSExamine the box. ~
Now that you have time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. You have no idea what each glyph could mean, but all six are distinct and different.Use key on box, if there's a passing key hole... ~
After turning the box over and over in your hands you do finally find a discrete keyhole in one of the box's corners. You insert the key, turn it a full circle, and hear a distinct click. A previously unseen button suddenly pops up out of the woodwork next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK". Try to move/rotate the parts of the key to see if they move around. ~
You find that the top and bottom halves of the key are able to smoothly unscrew along the fine seam in the middle of the shaft. After unscrewing the key you find a tiny roll of paper hidden inside the hollow interior of the key. You remove the paper, unroll it and read it:
"As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong."
You rescrew the halves of the key back together as there is nothing else inside.Take sip of beer. ~
Ahhhhhh, that hits the spot!Push the button. ~
You push the button back in and hear a substantial "CLICK". The button does not come back out.Describe the glyphs. ~
The glyphs are abstract symbols embossed in gold and set in circles in the center of each of the box's six sides. You have no idea what they mean.Try to push a glyph. ~
Nothing happens. It seems the glyphs are not buttons you can press.Take another sip of beer. ~
Mmmmmmmmmm...Feed the cat ~
You go to the kitchen and pour some dry cat food into Sasha's bowl. She comes out of hiding, lured by the sound, and starts to happily crunch away at the pellets in the bowl.Experiment to see if cat is afraid of box ~
While Sasha is still eating you stealthily place the wooden box behind her and wait for her to finish. She turns casually around and starts to walk away, but then hers eyes lock onto the box, and she jumps and flips about four feet into the air, lands on her four feet, scampers frantically in place on the tiled floor for an instant, before gaining traction and shooting off to another of her hiding places. It seems confirmed that she is indeed scared of the box. It seems unlikely she mistook it for a cucumber. You return to the sofa, chuckling, and place the box back onto the coffee table.Search the internet for information about the glyphs ~
After a bit of internet sleuthing you find a site with a list of ancient Arabic glyphs resembling the ones on the box. Scanning down the list, you manage to find all six! It's arbitrary, but the current orientation of the box should suffice for your purposes of remembering what the glyphs represent:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: FemaleTry turning the key again ~
Again, after turning the key a full circle, you hear a distinct click, and again the button pops up out of the woodwork next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK".After inserting the key does pressing/moving the glyphs do anything? ~
No. Pressing them or trying to move the glyphs does nothing.NON-PROGRESSLook to see of anything on the key matches the designs on the box. ~
Nothing that you notice.Search the internet for information about the box. ~
You find nothing on the net about this particular box. Perhaps it's a custom, one-of-a-kind job?Look for the following glyphs: ~
None of the glyphs really look like anything on your list. This approach leads nowhere most likely.Spoiler
> A wavy line
> A triangle with something above it
> A straight line
> A cross / plus sign
> An up arrow
> A down arrow
Also... inc case I'm not on the right track, look for the following glyphs:
> White top half, black bottom half
> Black top half, white bottom half
~
No matches found.Which side is the keyhole and button on? ~
They are on the front-facing side, the one with the fire glyph, in the bottom-right corner, but you doubt this placement is significant. It seems fairly arbitrary, almost like an afterthought, and not as elegantly balanced as the rest of the designs on the box.
Looky here at Cassie remembering to clean up the evidence before leaving!
Well done! Things could have gotten complicated otherwise ;)
EDIT:
By the way, this story doesn't go on forever. I've already planned it out in a three-act structure, with each act being a "paragraph"...
I guess what I wish to impart is that the game is already written in stone and so please don't get frustrated when you attempt "table top RPG player to DM" kind of actions and they get delegated to the NON-PROGRESS list as unimportant...
This is nothing personal. It's just that you tried something outside of the scope of the game, and I'm trying to make the boundaries of said scope as clear as I can without giving too much away.
It's actually a really interesting lesson for me in game design and when I let people down in this regard I hope I can recognize it and take note for the future...
(All this being said, you're not on a time limit at the moment like in the last "paragraph", thanks to Cassie, so if you want to try some more laid-back stuff in your apartment that's cool. Such actions may or may not (probably not) advance the progress of the story, but feel at home, because you are...)
Examine the box.
Use key on box, if there's a passing key hole...
PS - Thought it was a good idea to take any evidence with us... (laugh) Still, I'm expecting the cops to knock on the door at some point (since it's unlikely we did not leave fingerprints all over the place... (roll) ).
Try to move/rotate the parts of the key to see if they move around.
Look to see of anything on the key matches the designs on the box.
Updated above.
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Mon 17/07/2017 18:16:09
PS - Thought it was a good idea to take any evidence with us... (laugh)
The pacing of this act would have been quite different if you had not taken the laser-pointer (not so much the wire) with you when you left.
I was planning to leave the replies open overnight while I slept and if anyone had mentioned to take the stuff with them before escaping I would have accepted it. But you did it straight away so I moved on to next act (paragraph).
Take sip of beer. 8-)
Push the button. And hope nothing explodes. (laugh)
Six glyphs, six poem lines, one button.
I am pretty sure we have to figure out a combination and push the button afterwards (which was activated by a 7-key)
Describe the glyphs.
Try to push a glyph.
And
Take another sip ;)
Updated above.
Search the internet for cat videos information about the box.
Updated above.
Quote from: Mandle on Mon 17/07/2017 17:42:03
Take sip of beer. ~ Ahhhhhh, that hits the spot!
As an aside... I have to ask you this. Many years ago, when I had a Commodore 16, the very first text adventure game I ever played came on a cartridge for the C16 and it was called "William's Berg Adventure". The only thing I really remember about it is that if you bought a meal, it would say "That hit the spot!". So I'm asking.... did you ever play this game?Er... back to the game in hand though...
Look for the following glyphs:
> A wavy line
> A triangle with something above it
> A straight line
> A cross / plus sign
> An up arrow
> A down arrow
Also... inc case I'm not on the right track, look for the following glyphs:
> White top half, black bottom half
> Black top half, white bottom half
Updated above.
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 18/07/2017 13:51:53
As an aside... I have to ask you this. Many years ago, when I had a Commodore 16, the very first text adventure game I ever played came on a cartridge for the C16 and it was called "William's Berg Adventure". The only thing I really remember about it is that if you bought a meal, it would say "That hit the spot!". So I'm asking.... did you ever play this game?
I don't think so, no. I never had a C16, only C64...
Since you so kindly invited Mitteneers to participate (it's raining cats and dogs in Iceland today)...
> Feed the cat
> Search the internet for information about the glyphs (maybe you can take a photo of them and do an image search?).
> Search internet for the "poem"
> Try turning the key again
> Experiment to see if cat is afraid of box
Updated above.
SWEET! We got Mitteneers in da house, guys! Hope you have some fun with this while rained out!
Which side is the keyhole and button on? (roll)
After inserting the key does pressing/moving the glyphs do anything? If so I'd try to activate them in the order back, front, left, right, top, bottom.
If I'm still on the right track, I'd try pressing the button afterwards.
Case #48Paragraph #2: The Wooden Box
You grab the potentially damning evidence of the laser-pointer and wire from August Kilmurray's finger in a flash, being sure to hopelessly disturb the orientation of the pointing finger, and book it towards your escape route. You hear the first thuds and splintering of wood when the police start to batter down the front door as you quietly slip out the back one. You jump in your car you parked around the block and drive at a sedate, almost elderly, pace back to your third floor walk-up apartment, all the while your heart racing four beats a second.
Once safely inside, you grab a beer from the fridge and flop onto the sofa, placing both beer and box on the coffee table in front of you.
Your cat, Sasha, strolls in, complaining about her empty tummy, but then locks eyes on the wooden box, hisses with hackles raised, and darts away to one of her hiding places.
Eyebrows raised, you take off your jacket and throw it, and most of its pockets' contents, somewhere over your shoulder. You'll just let your maid (you) deal with it at some future point.
The one thing you saved from your pockets was the gold key that you went through so much trouble to obtain.
You think back to what you already know about Mr. Kilmurray as you take the first welcome swig from your beer:
August Kilmurray is famous in this smallish town of Downward Dog for having risen suddenly from his poor backwoods roots to the position of power-mongering multi-millionaire within the span of a decade.
He held his corrupt dominion over the town for decades to come, until he finally became a bitter old recluse hiding out in his mansion, and jumping at his own shadow whenever rarely seen around Dog in the plain light of day.
When you heard over your car's radio scanner that a call had been placed to the police reporting screams at his mansion in the dead of night how could you resist racing over there and checking it out?
The box and the key were all he cared about in his last moments, as evidenced by his final repose.
You are a sleuth by habit and trade (as well as a few artistic hobbies) and now it seems perhaps you could have the truth about this infamous figure right here, trapped inside a wooden box, but almost within your grasp.
You have:
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold. You never had the time to examine it carefully while at Kilmurray's mansion, except for when you shook it and heard something heavy and metallic thumping around inside. Now that you have time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. You have no idea what each glyph could mean, but all six are distinct and different. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. Currently the gold key is inserted in a discrete keyhole you found in a corner of the box. After turning the key one full circle, and hearing a click, a previously unseen button popped up next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK". When you pushed the button you heard a substantial "CLICK". The button did not come back up. Turning the key a full circle again produced the same click, and the button popped back out. Pushing the button again results in the same "CLICK" and once again the button does not come back out. After a search on the internet you have discovered what all the glyphs mean:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: Female
You have turned the key seven full circles, each of which resulted in a "click".
The button next to the keyhole is currently: PRESSED IN
Pushing the button after a full seven rotations of the key had a dramatic outcome:
You press the button. There is a solid "CLUNK" and the box actually jerks in your hands. This catches you off your guard and you almost drop it. A whirring sound starts ratcheting up inside the box and it begins to vibrate. You place the box back down on the coffee table hastily and watch in wonder as it rattles around on the glass surface. Suddenly it stops dancing around. The whirring sound reaches a fever pitch, and then stops just as suddenly. A moment of silence passes during which you remember to close your mouth. Then there is a loud "CLACK" and the six sides of the box jump out about a centimeter in each direction. The box leaps off the table, landing again with a clatter. Before you have time to look through the gaps around the box's edges, the whirring sound starts again and, "CLINK", each side of the box splits into eight seperate segments which smoothly slide out to create a seamless fit with the other sides of the box. The whirring sound winds down slowly as the vibrating box turns itself around about a quarter-circle on the glass tabletop. The gold key falls out onto the tabletop. Then all is still. It seems like the performance is over. What you are left with is the same box, except slightly larger, and with narrow gaps radiating out from the central glyph in eight directions: Each side of the box is now split slightly along "north-south", "east-west", "northwest-southeast", and "northeast-southwest" axes, with the central glyph, inside its gold circle, remaining at the center of the thin gaps.
A Gold Key. ~ It doesn't look like a key meant to open any kind of lock you've ever seen. The bottom of the key is a set of four stubby horizontal tongs of slightly different lengths, two on each side. The middle of the key's shaft seems to have a fine seam running around it. The top of the key is a circle embossed with the number "7". The key is currently lying on the coffee table.
A Beer. ~ A freshly opened bottle of Wudbeiser beer. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. You have had 2 swigs of the beer.
Internet Access. ~ Your tablet lies on the table next to the box and beer.
A Tiny Roll Of Paper. ~ This tiny paper you found inside the gold key reads:
As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong.
PROGRESSExamine the box. ~
Now that you have time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. You have no idea what each glyph could mean, but all six are distinct and different.Use key on box, if there's a passing key hole... ~
After turning the box over and over in your hands you do finally find a discrete keyhole in one of the box's corners. You insert the key, turn it a full circle, and hear a distinct click. A previously unseen button suddenly pops up out of the woodwork next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK". Try to move/rotate the parts of the key to see if they move around. ~
You find that the top and bottom halves of the key are able to smoothly unscrew along the fine seam in the middle of the shaft. After unscrewing the key you find a tiny roll of paper hidden inside the hollow interior of the key. You remove the paper, unroll it and read it:
"As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong."
You rescrew the halves of the key back together as there is nothing else inside.Take sip of beer. ~
Ahhhhhh, that hits the spot!Push the button. ~
You push the button back in and hear a substantial "CLICK". The button does not come back out.Describe the glyphs. ~
The glyphs are abstract symbols embossed in gold and set in circles in the center of each of the box's six sides. You have no idea what they mean.Try to push a glyph. ~
Nothing happens. It seems the glyphs are not buttons you can press.Take another sip of beer. ~
Mmmmmmmmmm...Feed the cat ~
You go to the kitchen and pour some dry cat food into Sasha's bowl. She comes out of hiding, lured by the sound, and starts to happily crunch away at the pellets in the bowl.Experiment to see if cat is afraid of box ~
While Sasha is still eating you stealthily place the wooden box behind her and wait for her to finish. She turns casually around and starts to walk away, but then hers eyes lock onto the box, and she jumps and flips about four feet into the air, lands on her four feet, scampers frantically in place on the tiled floor for an instant, before gaining traction and shooting off to another of her hiding places. It seems confirmed that she is indeed scared of the box. It seems unlikely she mistook it for a cucumber. You return to the sofa, chuckling, and place the box back onto the coffee table.Search the internet for information about the glyphs ~
After a bit of internet sleuthing you find a site with a list of ancient Arabic glyphs resembling the ones on the box. Scanning down the list, you manage to find all six! It's arbitrary, but the current orientation of the box should suffice for your purposes of remembering what the glyphs represent:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: FemaleTry turning the key again ~
Again, after turning the key a full circle, you hear a distinct click, and again the button pops up out of the woodwork next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK".After inserting the key does pressing/moving the glyphs do anything? ~
No. Pressing them or trying to move the glyphs does nothing.Place hand on water glyph and press the button. ~
Pushing the button with your hand on the water glyph has the same result as pushing it without your hand on the water glyph: You hear a substantial "CLICK". The button does not come back out.Turn it over so each glyph is on top, in the order specified in the poem: water, fire, male, female, god, devil. Then turn the key and press the button. ~
You turn the box as described, and do the key/button thingy. The result is exactly the same as just turning the key one full circle and pressing the button normally: When you turn the key you hear a click. A button pops up next to the keyhole with a sharp "SNICK". When you push the button you hear a substantial "CLICK". The button does not come back up..Try turning the key 7 times. ~
On the first complete rotation the button pops out as usual with a click. On the next six rotations you hear the same click every time the key completes a full circle.Now try pressing the button. ~
You press the button. There is a solid "CLUNK" and the box actually jerks in your hands. This catches you off your guard and you almost drop it. A whirring sound starts ratcheting up inside the box and it begins to vibrate. You place the box back down on the coffee table hastily and watch in wonder as it rattles around on the glass surface. Suddenly it stops dancing around. The whirring sound reaches a fever pitch, and then stops just as suddenly. A moment of silence passes during which you remember to close your mouth. Then there is a loud "CLACK" and the six sides of the box jump out about a centimeter in each direction. The box leaps off the table, landing again with a clatter. Before you have time to look through the gaps around the box's edges, the whirring sound starts again and, "CLINK", each side of the box splits into eight seperate segments which smoothly slide out to create a seamless fit with the other sides of the box. The whirring sound winds down slowly as the vibrating box turns itself around about a quarter-circle on the glass tabletop. The gold key falls out onto the tabletop. Then all is still. It seems like the performance is over. What you are left with is the same box, except slightly larger, and with narrow gaps radiating out from the central glyph in eight directions: Each side of the box is now split slightly along "north-south", "east-west", "northwest-southeast", and "northeast-southwest" axes, with the central glyph, inside its gold circle, remaining at the center of the thin gaps.Okay then, now try and press/push/pull the sides ~
You quickly discover that each of the glyph-circles can be slid along the compass-rose of new slots in eight directions. For convenience you think of them as: N, S, E, W, NE, SE, SW, and NW. Once a glyph-circle reaches the end of its track it locks into place. Once all six glyph-circles have been slid to the end of a track there is a "CLICK" from inside the box, the whirring sound starts again, and all the glyph-circles slide back to the center points. There is a "CLUNK" and the whirring sound winds down and stops.NON-PROGRESSLook to see of anything on the key matches the designs on the box. ~
Nothing that you notice.Search the internet for information about the box. ~
You find nothing on the net about this particular box. Perhaps it's a custom, one-of-a-kind job?Look for the following glyphs: ~
None of the glyphs really look like anything on your list. This approach leads nowhere most likely.Spoiler
> A wavy line
> A triangle with something above it
> A straight line
> A cross / plus sign
> An up arrow
> A down arrow
Also... inc case I'm not on the right track, look for the following glyphs:
> White top half, black bottom half
> Black top half, white bottom half
~
No matches found.Which side is the keyhole and button on? ~
They are on the front-facing side, the one with the fire glyph, in the bottom-right corner, but you doubt this placement is significant. It seems fairly arbitrary, almost like an afterthought, and not as elegantly balanced as the rest of the designs on the box.Go to the hardware store and buy a hacksaw. ~
The hardware stores are all closed in the middle of the night. Besides, you're worried that forcing the box open might damage or destroy the secrets hidden inside.
- Place hand on water glyph and press the button.
Go to the hardware store and buy a hacksaw.
Shake the box. Turn it over so each glyph is on top, in the order specified in the poem: water, fire, male, female, god, devil. Then turn the key and press the button. If that's close, then let's skip the part where we experiment with each combination of key turning and button pressing. :=
Updated above.
Quote from: Kweepa on Wed 19/07/2017 01:55:18
Shake the box.
That's been done before (see box description).
Quote from: Kweepa on Wed 19/07/2017 01:55:18
let's skip the part where we experiment with each combination of key turning and button pressing. :=
Sorry, this is not a skippable puzzle :P
ALSO: I'd like to clarify a bit at this point how I am judging PROGRESS/NON-PROGRESS categories for this round:
Just because something you tried with the box lands in PROGRESS doesn't necessarily mean you are on the right track. I'm placing attempted manipulations that have no real effect in the PROGRESS list as well, as these are showing what
doesn't work, which is part of the learning experience.
NON-PROGRESS is strictly reserved for actions that are unimportant, outside the game's scope, or otherwise would be unfairly misleading if the players went down that path. So this section is kind of like a big STOP-sign that can let you know when an approach can be safely discarded. For example: I thought that post after post of players trying to guess what each glyph might look like would be a dead-end path unwanted by all, so I put this method into the NON-PROGRESS list. Not that there was anything wrong with this approach. It just wasn't what was needed.
Hope that makes things clearer.
EDIT: I made an error when counting the number of swigs of beer drank so far, as I thought it had said in the story that you took a swig when you got the beer from the fridge, but I was wrong. The number of swigs has been corrected to 2. I hope this doesn't ruin the game, by breaking immersion too much, for anyone :P (laugh)
Try turning the key 7 times.
Updated above.
Now try pressing the button.
Updated above.
Morgan LeFlay hits a homer!
Okay then, now try and press/push/pull the sides in the order specified in the poem: water, fire, male, female, god, devil.
I have a feeling that each axis mentioned is now like a rubics cube. I might try to confirm my theory that each axis can move, taking care not to end up apart from the original order, but I have no ideas on which way to move it.
Case #48Paragraph #3: The Final Puzzles
Having figured out the puzzle of the key and button, and witnessing the amazing results, the box now sits before you slightly altered: Each side of the box now has a compass-rose of eight narrow slots radiating out from the central glyph-circle in all vertical, horizontal, and diagonal directions.
You have discovered that each glyph-circle can be slid along the compass-rose of new slots in eight directions. For convenience you think of them as: N, S, E, W, NE, SE, SW, and NW. Once a glyph-circle reaches the end of its track it locks into place. Once all six glyph-circles have been slid to the end of a track there is a "CLICK" from inside the box, the whirring sound starts again, and all the glyph-circles slide back to the center points. There is a "CLUNK" and the whirring sound winds down and stops.
You have:
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold. You never had the time to examine it carefully while at Kilmurray's mansion, except for when you shook it and heard something heavy and metallic thumping around inside. Now that you have had time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. The glyphs mean:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: Female
After solving the key/button puzzle the box is slightly altered: It now has eight slots radiating out in a kind of compass-rose from the central glyph-circle on each side of the box.
The box is sitting on the coffee table in front of you.
A Tiny Roll Of Paper. ~ This tiny paper you found inside the gold key reads:
As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong.
A Gold Key. ~ This is the clockwork-winding key you used to unlock the glyph-sliding puzzle of the wooden box. The key is currently lying on the coffee table.
A Beer. ~ A freshly opened bottle of Wudbeiser beer. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. You have had 2 swigs of the beer.
Internet Access. ~ Your tablet lies on the table next to the box and beer.
To keep things simple game posts should follow this template:
Water: S
God: N
Fire: SW
Devil: NW
Female: NE
Male: SE
This shows both the order and directions you are moving the glyph-circles in.WRONG SOLUTIONSIn this section I will copy/paste all the wrong solutions that have been tried and put the list in hide tags to avoid stretching out the post too much.
Spoiler
Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Water: SE
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: NW
Water: S
Fire: SE
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Water: SE
Fire: NW
Male: NE
Female: SW
God: N
Devil: S
The previous paragraph has been updated above, and the pertinent information is also available in the new paragraph.
Oh, and only one attempt per person per game update please.
As well as the solution template feel free to post any of your thoughts on solving the puzzle, but please place in hide tags as a courtesy to other players who wish to think on it solo.
Here's my first go:
Spoiler
Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Updated above.
(Not correct)
Spoiler
Water: SE (meant as the slot is an arrow pointing diagonal down from N to S symbolizing a river streaming down)
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: NW (symbolizing coming from down below and growing from S to N
Updated above.
(Not correct)
Also, I don't think you're doing the hide tags quite right: Highlight everything you wish to hide and then click the icon above showing the eye with a diagonal line through it. Or type (hide) at the start of what you wish to hide and (/hide) at the end, except with square braces instead of round. These: [ ]
OK, I'll add some thoughts this time:
Spoiler
Water: S (The Mississippi flows roughly southwards)
Fire: SE (This one is a stab in the dark, but Pompeii is to the south-east of Vesuvius, and that's all I can think of in connection to an eruption of that volcano)
Male: NE (Representing the male gender symbol)
Female: S (Representing the female gender symbol)
God: N (Because north is... up?)
Devil: S (And south is down :-\)
I realise that some of my reasoning is, well, not reasoning at all. Just random guesses, really. (laugh)
Updated above.
(Not correct)
After some more attempts I do plan to start with some subtle hints in hide tags... But I wanted to give the very clever a chance to solve the puzzle raw before doing so...
My stab at a solution:
Spoiler
Water: SE
Fire: NW
Male: NE
Female: SW
God: N
Devil: S
I'm working on the idea that these are 3 sets of "opposites" - water/fire, man/woman, god/devil.
Updated above.
(Not correct)
So just so I understand this, when I move 1 glyph do the other glyphs on the track move too? Or can I move them past one another?
Water: NW
Fire: NE
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Case #48Paragraph #3: The Final Puzzles
Having figured out the puzzle of the key and button, and witnessing the amazing results, the box now sits before you slightly altered: Each side of the box now has a compass-rose of eight narrow slots radiating out from the central glyph-circle in all vertical, horizontal, and diagonal directions.
You have discovered that each glyph-circle can be slid along the compass-rose of new slots in eight directions. For convenience you think of them as: N, S, E, W, NE, SE, SW, and NW. Once a glyph-circle reaches the end of its track it locks into place. Once all six glyph-circles have been slid to the end of a track there is a "CLICK" from inside the box, the whirring sound starts again, and all the glyph-circles slide back to the center points. There is a "CLUNK" and the whirring sound winds down and stops.
You have:
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold. You never had the time to examine it carefully while at Kilmurray's mansion, except for when you shook it and heard something heavy and metallic thumping around inside. Now that you have had time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. The glyphs mean:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: Female
After solving the key/button puzzle the box is slightly altered: It now has eight slots radiating out in a kind of compass-rose from the central glyph-circle on each side of the box.
The box is sitting on the coffee table in front of you.
A Tiny Roll Of Paper. ~ This tiny paper you found inside the gold key reads:
As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong.
A Gold Key. ~ This is the clockwork-winding key you used to unlock the glyph-sliding puzzle of the wooden box. The key is currently lying on the coffee table.
A Beer. ~ A freshly opened bottle of Wudbeiser beer. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. You have had 3 swigs of the beer.
Internet Access. ~ Your tablet lies on the table next to the box and beer.
To keep things simple game posts should follow this template:
Water: S
God: N
Fire: SW
Devil: NW
Female: NE
Male: SE
This shows both the order and directions you are moving the glyph-circles in.WRONG SOLUTIONSIn this section I will copy/paste all the wrong solutions that have been tried and put the list in hide tags to avoid stretching out the post too much.
Spoiler
Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Water: SE
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: NW
Water: S
Fire: SE
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Water: SE
Fire: NW
Male: NE
Female: SW
God: N
Devil: S
Water: NW
Fire: NE
Male: NE
Female: S
God: N
Devil: S
Water: N
Fire: NW
Male: SW
Female: N
God: S
Devil: N
Water: S
Fire: W
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW
Devil: S
Water: S
Fire: E
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW
Devil: S
Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW
Devil: S
Updated above.
(Not correct)
Quote from: Morgan LeFlay on Fri 21/07/2017 21:36:32
So just so I understand this, when I move 1 glyph do the other glyphs on the track move too? Or can I move them past one another?
There is one glyph on each side of the box, each with its own 8 tracks to slide along. Sorry if my description was unclear. I probably should have used a graphic.
I take a swig of beer.
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Water: N
Fire: NW
Male: SW
Female: N
God: S
Devil: N
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Water: S
Fire: W (It looks to me like Mt. Vesuvius blew out from the west side.)
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW (Never Wrong)
Devil: S
Updated above (including beer-swig counter ;) )
(Not correct)
Extremely mild hint (not hint to actual solution, but something you can do to narrow down your approach):
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You still have internet access available. While the whole riddle cannot be googled, maybe phrases or single words can be...
Search the internet for the Mississippi.
Search the internet for Mount Vesuvius.
Thought I'd try this first and then we can search for specifics afterwards if we need to.
Search for any symbols/glyphs representing truth and strength.
Nothing specific that could help found yet, or nothing you didn't already know.
Search: arrow shot by man
Search: cross borne by woman
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 23/07/2017 00:34:19
Search: arrow shot by man
Search: cross borne by woman
You don't find anything new, but you do gain some confidence in what you currently suspect these phrases might refer to...
Search internet for the direction the river flows.
Search internet for the direction the volcano erupts.
Quote from: Morgan LeFlay on Sun 23/07/2017 01:22:15
Search internet for the direction the river flows.
Search internet for the direction the volcano erupts.
The Mississippi river flows south.
There is not particular mention of the direction Mt. Vesuvius erupts in, apart from the obvious...
(Eruption maps show Mt. Vesvius erupting in a general southeast direction, that's what I wanted to see your interpretation :) )
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Water: S
Fire: E (for Eruption)
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW (Never Wrong)
Devil: S
Updated above.
(Not correct)
Another guess:
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Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW
Devil: S
Updated above.
(Not correct)
Search "God above us is never wrong"
Search "Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong"
Case #48Paragraph #3: The Final Puzzles
Having figured out the puzzle of the key and button, and witnessing the amazing results, the box now sits before you slightly altered: Each side of the box now has a compass-rose of eight narrow slots radiating out from the central glyph-circle in all vertical, horizontal, and diagonal directions.
You have discovered that each glyph-circle can be slid along the compass-rose of new slots in eight directions. For convenience you think of them as: N, S, E, W, NE, SE, SW, and NW. Once a glyph-circle reaches the end of its track it locks into place. Once all six glyph-circles have been slid to the end of a track there is a "CLICK" from inside the box, the whirring sound starts again, and all the glyph-circles slide back to the center points. There is a "CLUNK" and the whirring sound winds down and stops.
You have:
The Second Box. ~ This is the smaller box you took out from inside the wooden box. It sits on the coffee table next to the wooden box. It looks like this:
(Hidden only for size considerations)
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(https://www.sharecg.com/images/medium/78048.jpg)
A Wooden Box. ~ It's a wooden box about big enough to contain a softball. It has many intricate designs inlaid in what appears to be gold. You never had the time to examine it carefully while at Kilmurray's mansion, except for when you shook it and heard something heavy and metallic thumping around inside. Now that you have had time to calmly examine the box, you see that each side of the cubical box has some kind of glyph embossed in gold in the middle, surrounded by swirls of intricate and beautiful gold designs. The glyphs mean:
Top Glyph: God
Bottom Glyph: The Devil
Front Glyph: Fire
Back Glyph: Water
Left Glyph: Male
Right Glyph: Female
After solving the key/button puzzle the box is slightly altered: It now has eight slots radiating out in a kind of compass-rose from the central glyph-circle on each side of the box.
After opening the wooden box its top is now split open along the tracks the "God" glyph slid along, the eight triangles lying open like a flower with its petals spread wide.
Inside the wooden box you found a second box, which now sits on your coffee table next to this one.
The box is sitting on the coffee table in front of you.
A Tiny Roll Of Paper. ~ This tiny paper you found inside the gold key reads:
As surely as The Mississippi flows non-stop,
As surely as Mount Vesuvius blows its top,
As sure as the arrow shot by man,
As sure as the cross borne by woman,
God above us is never wrong,
Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong.
A Gold Key. ~ This is the clockwork-winding key you used to unlock the glyph-sliding puzzle of the wooden box. The key is currently lying on the coffee table.
A Beer. ~ A freshly opened bottle of Wudbeiser beer. It is sitting on the coffee table in front of you. You have had 3 swigs of the beer.
Internet Access. ~ Your tablet lies on the table next to the box and beer.
To keep things simple game posts should follow this template:
Water: S
God: N
Fire: SW
Devil: NW
Female: NE
Male: SE
This shows both the order and directions you are moving the glyph-circles in.CORRECT SOLUTION(Solved by Morgan LeFlay)
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Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NE
Devil: SW
You slide the last glyph into place and the whirring sound starts up inside the box once again. It begins to vibrate in your hands so you put it back down on the coffee table. The whirring speeds up and then suddenly stops with a loud "CLUNK". All the glyphs slide quickly back to their central positions, much faster than before, and the "God" glyph on the top disappears down into a circular hole. The eight triangles formed by the "God" glyph's tracks open smoothly like a flower filmed in time-lapse and snap into position 180 degrees from where they started. And then all is still...
You lean forward slowly, with some trepidation, and peer into the open top of the wooden box to find:
Another box?!
You reach into the wooden box, you fingers barely fitting around the smaller box within, grasp your prize and bring it out.
You set this new box, a cube about 13 centimeters to a side, on the coffee table next to the now open wooden box and look at it:
(Hidden only for size considerations)
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(https://www.sharecg.com/images/medium/78048.jpg)
You reach for the box, entranced by its beauty and the new secrets, perhaps the ultimate secrets, you sense it holds...
But then you hesitate. You are also warey, and feel quite like a small child reaching for a beautifully coloured snake...
One part of you wants to open the box, but another part wants to grab it and destroy it in the pottery kiln in your "artistic hobbies" room...
GAMEPLAY: Let's leave this to a vote! I will leave the vote open for about two days starting now. Please vote either "OPEN THE BOX" or "DESTROY THE BOX". Majority wins and then we shall see which ending this story gets... If "OPEN THE BOX" wins you don't actually have to manually solve the box post-by-post. It will be a cut-scene...
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 23/07/2017 20:10:53
Search "God above us is never wrong"
Search "Yet the sinister one below us still grows strong"
You
do find something that catches your eye: Where God is concerned, "never wrong" is usually phrased differently...
Hmmmm, and
that's interesting too: It seems "sinister" has a few meanings...
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Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: E
Devil: W
Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NW
Devil: W
Water: S
Fire: E
Male: NE
Female: S
God: E
Devil: W
Will update above soon.
(None correct so far)
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Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NE
Devil: SW[/hide
Quote from: Morgan LeFlay on Mon 24/07/2017 07:49:23
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Water: S
Fire: N
Male: NE
Female: S
God: NE
Devil: SW
You slide the last glyph into place and the whirring sound starts up inside the box once again. It begins to vibrate in your hands so you put it back down on the coffee table. The whirring speeds up and then suddenly stops with a loud "CLUNK". All the glyphs slide quickly back to their central positions, much faster than before, and the "God" glyph on the top disappears down into a circular hole. The eight triangles formed by the "God" glyph's tracks open smoothly like a flower filmed in time-lapse and snap into position 180 degrees from where they started. And then all is still...
You lean forward slowly, with some trepidation, and peer into the open top of the wooden box to find:
Another box?!
You reach into the wooden box, you fingers barely fitting around the smaller box within, grasp your prize and bring it out.
You set this new box, a cube about 13 centimeters to a side, on the coffee table next to the now open wooden box and look at it:
(Hidden only for size considerations)
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(https://www.sharecg.com/images/medium/78048.jpg)
You reach for the box, entranced by its beauty and the new secrets, perhaps the ultimate secrets, you sense it holds...
But then you hesitate. You are also warey, and feel quite like a small child reaching for a beautifully coloured snake...
One part of you wants to open the box, but another part wants to grab it and destroy it in the pottery kiln in your "artistic hobbies" room...
GAMEPLAY: Let's leave this to a vote! I will leave the vote open for about two days starting now. Please vote either "OPEN THE BOX" or "DESTROY THE BOX". Majority wins and then we shall see which ending this story gets... If "OPEN THE BOX" wins you don't actually have to manually solve the box post-by-post. It will be a cut-scene... PS: A huge congratulations to Morgan LeFay for solving the glyph puzzle!!!
Here is the solution if anyone wants to read it:
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Water: S (The Mississippi river flows south)
Fire: N (Volcanoes blow their "top")
Male: NE (Up and to the right is the way the arrow points in the symbol for male)
Female: S (The cross in the symbol for woman hangs downwards)
God: NE (God "above" us is "never wrong", another way to say the same is "always right". So up and right.)
Devil: SW (The "sinister one", sinister being an old word for "left", "below" us. So down and left.)
And yeah, I never considered Never Wrong being taken as NW, or Eruption being taken for E... Interesting puzzle feedback for if I ever turn this into an actual game...
(MAIN POST UPDATED ABOVE ALSO)
Oh, and the reason why I'm leaving the vote open for two days is because I'm about to leave tomorrow on a summer camp with my students.
I hope that's okay. I kind of feel like I'm hijacking the thread by doing this, but as there wasn't a lot of people in line to host a new riddle before I started this one I think it might be alright?
We have not come this far just to destroy boxes that may or may not annihilate us and / or the rest of the universe.
OPEN IT, I say!
(In case you're not clear, my vote goes with opening the box.)
Quote from: CaptainD on Mon 24/07/2017 12:25:02
boxes that may or may not annihilate us and / or the rest of the universe.
Hmmmmm, sounds a bit like a game I beta-tested recently... ;)
OPEN THE DAMN BOX!!!
Oh wow, multiple endings! (laugh)
OPEN THE BOX
For the same reasoning as CaptainD. Also, why would the old man have been pointing out the way to open the box if it was just going to kill us? Unless he knew he was going to die and wanted to take everyone else down with him... I still say open it. :P
I too vote open. Though it's probably a mistake.
> Save game (laugh)
> Open Box
Ooh, good thinking, Cassie!
I change my vote to save game, then OPEN THE BOX. (laugh)
Sorry, guys, but this is a roguelike... There
IS no "save game" function!
Both endings are already written in my head but, sorry, you only get the one you voted for :P
Case #48The End: The Final Box Solved(Hidden for size and sanity considerations)
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At first, trying to solve the second box, which you discover, after quite some research on the deep net, is one of the "Lemarchand's Box" series, is a ton of fun!
Lemarchand, an 18th century French toymaker of unsurpassed skill, was either commissioned or forced to make a series of such boxes for a shadowy aristocrat figure named Duc de L'Isle.
One of said boxes was "The Lament Configuration", the very box you are trying to solve, judging by the few blurry pictures you were able to dig out from the deep dark web.
One site, which you only ever managed to find online once and never again, described the box as a kind of gateway, or possibly the key to a gateway, to another realm.
Unlike other puzzle boxes, including the Rubik's Cube, this box is fascinating in its non-repetitive gameplay structure:
Sometimes entire sections can be slid out and shifted over, or rotated, and slotted back in. Sometimes the corners turn on diagonals. Sometimes you can turn halves of the box. Sometimes the mechanisms move on their own just by pressing an inlaid button or spinning an inlaid disc with your fingertip.
And sometimes there are flashes of light or glowing sparks leaping out from the razor-thin gaps of the box.
You become as if hypnotized and the passage of time slowly loses any meaning for you.
In steps your world becomes the box, and only the box:
You stop showering. You stop shopping. You stop eating. You stop sleeping. You stop going outside. You stop feeding your cat. You stop answering, or even hearing, the phone or doorbell ring.
You notice Sasha lying dead in the corner of the room at some point, her matted fur bursting with tiny, white, swarming things, but even this is barely a shrug for you before you return to solving the box.
You stop getting up from the sofa to go to the toilet. You stop feeling the bed-sores on your buttocks and the backs of your thighs. You stop feeling the infection spreading from these sores, festering in their bath of old urine and faeces. You stop seeing anything except your hands and the box they manipulate.
Then, during the brighter hours on one particular Someday: You solve it!!!
You hear a muted bell tolling mournfully somewhere far away. The gaps between the planks of wood you nailed over the inside of your windows grow dark for a moment, and then a blinding light slips between them, radiating multiple rays through the fetid, dusty air.
The wall before you splits jaggedly open about a horizontal meter, as if during an earthquake, although you feel no shaking, and, through the gap, even though it should just lead to your neighbor's apartment, one by one, from out of the blinding light, they come:
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(https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0352/57/1412249514627.jpg)
"Greetings."
The husk of your voice from your skeleton-like frame manages:
"who? ...th-th-... f-f-fu-...?"
"We are the Cenobites. You solved the box. You summoned us. Now you must come with us."
"w-what... are you?"
"Outriders of the verge of human experience. Angels to some. Demons to others."
"come... w-where?"
"The ultimate realm of the senses. Pain and pleasure. Indivisible."
"august... k-kilmurray... tell me... all..."
"He also opened the box. And we took him. He experienced centuries of our work. But he escaped us."
"centuries? ... n-no, that's not... p-p-possi... escaped?"
"He found The Machine. It made him one of us. For centuries longer he worked beside us."
"b-but... he wasn't... g-gone... for centuries..."
"He learned of The Ritual. A way back to his human time. He used it to escape us. He fed on the unwary. He regrew his flesh. He kept his Cenobite powers to tap and use emotions. He grew rich."
"why didn't... y-y-... take him... back?"
"He knew the box too well. The configurations needed to banish us. We waited. He grew old and slow. Weak in his mind. Then we came for his soul."
"what... h-happens... now?..."
"Come. We have such sights to show you."
THE END
(If you really need to know what would have happened if you had tried to destroy the box then just watch the ending of the original movie HERE (https://youtu.be/0qTOSgV38WM?t=5302). It's more-or-less the same as what would have happened in this story apart from the setting.)
I guess the next round is open for anyone with a good idea?
I was going to think of an idea within the next couple days but if anyone else wants to take it sooner they can.
Okay, in the meanwhile any feedback on the previous case is very welcome:
Did you enjoy this kind of structure and, if so, would you like to see more cases with similar structure in the future?
Did you enjoy any of the puzzles and, if so, which did you like most and why?
Did you find any of the puzzles too obscure and/or annoying and, if so, which ones and why?
Did you enjoy the story-arc?
Did you understand the ending or was it too obscure?
Did you feel the ending gave you a sense of closure?
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Did you feel the words "obscure" and "closure" right next to each other confused your reading of them? I did! (laugh)
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Did you feel sorry for Sasha? I did! :~(
Any other feedback also welcome! I'm interested in how this kind of "many-minds/one-character" gameplay works and could be developed maybe into an actual game, and also maybe how this case itself could be developed into a short game.
I liked the gameplay of this one, it felt like we were all working together on the case, which was nice. I also liked how you managed to create a sense of urgency with the police sirens, even though we could have taken another three weeks to work the puzzle out if we'd needed to (laugh). I enjoyed the puzzles, although the finger pointing was getting a bit frustrating. I suppose the lesson there is always examine everything,
especially your own inventory. The box riddle is the sort of thing that I would have looked at a walkthrough to solve and not felt bad about it because I would never have worked it out myself anyway. The riddle itself is fine, I just wouldn't have got the connection between "sinister" meaning "left" and that "never wrong" would mean "always right", even though it makes perfect sense in hindsight.
The story was good, it started out as more than just a generic "murder in a study" plot, with the box obviously being important, and I was interested to find out what the mystery of the box actually was.
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I wasn't expecting that ending (I've never seen the film, since I don't like horror) so I was a bit taken aback by it, but the whole "becoming obsessed by the box" bit was an interesting route that I hadn't thought of. Obscure closure is the best closure! (laugh)
And yes, I did feel sorry for Sasha at first, but then I realised that it was clearly just a hallucination and that she would have run away as soon as she got hungry enough and is now living happily with a nice old lady just down the road. Which is exactly what happened. (nod)
So, yeah, it was good fun. It would be nice to have another case like this again some time. ;-D
Cheers for the feedback, Riaise! Much of what you said was what I also felt while DMing it... and...
Quote from: Riaise on Fri 28/07/2017 14:13:32
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And yes, I did feel sorry for Sasha at first, but then I realised that it was clearly just a hallucination and that she would have run away as soon as she got hungry enough and is now living happily with a nice old lady just down the road. Which is exactly what happened. (nod)
Oh, thank God! I feel so much better now!
Awesome and very well executed occupation of the forum game I originally intended in this thread! You should turn it into a text adventure for everyone to play on his/her own!
About the Story:
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(http://i.imgur.com/1v0tKO2.gif)
I was so not expecting the pinhead and the realms of hell playing a role in this case (laugh)
I loved it!
I miss this thread!
Nobody got a new case?
Me too! Maybe I will find time for it in the coming week. 8-0
Quote from: Kumpel on Mon 28/08/2017 00:36:46
Me too! Maybe I will find time for it in the coming week. 8-0
I hope so... Or anyone else can jump in in the meanwhile I guess...
I wanna play a case!
OK, I'll have a go:
Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
Yay - here we go again (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/141118/j548nq9z.gif)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction? (http://www.smilie-harvester.de/smilies/Tiere/321.gif) (http://www.smilie-harvester.de)
No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did someone kill her?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
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Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
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Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death? [But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]
Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did she know the killer?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
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Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
Did she know the killer?No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
[But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
Did she kill herself?
Was she tasered?
Is the account or her death we read what actually happened? (i.e. Not just the neighbor's testimony.)
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Was the poison administered shortly before the time of death?
Is the murderer human?
Would she have died too, if she had not been in the garden at that time?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Tue 29/08/2017 17:03:12
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Oh... I suspect we are on to something here thanks to Inspector Cassie...
The fact that she is in a garden lends itself to all kinds of poisonous plants causing her death.
But why did she try to defend herself against an invisible attacker is still an issue...
Hmmmmm...
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Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
Did she know the killer?
Is the account or her death we read what actually happened? (i.e. Not just the neighbor's testimony.)
Was the poison administered shortly before the time of death?
Is the murderer human?* [Yes, but...]No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
[But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
Did she kill herself?
Was she tasered?
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Is the murderer human?* [Yes, but...]
Would she have died too, if she had not been in the garden at that time?* Yes and No.
Was she killed by an animal?
... that was trained (by a human) for this purpose?
Did she eat something poisonous?
Did she touch something poisonous?
Is this case possible in real life?
Was the killer a supernatural being?
Did an animal poison her?
Did she die by a botanical kind of poison?
Is the poison of this dosage deadly for everyone?
Did she fall from the balcony after being poisoned?
Has she been pregnant?
Is Mrs. Atkinson human?
Is the neighbor human?
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
Were there any marks on here body caused by the incident?
Did someone tamper with any of her gardening equipment before the incident?
Is she pregnant?
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Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
Did she know the killer?
Is the account or her death we read what actually happened? (i.e. Not just the neighbor's testimony.)
Was the poison administered shortly before the time of death?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Is this case possible in real life?
Is the poison of this dosage deadly for everyone?
Is Mrs. Atkinson human?
Is the neighbor human?
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
Were there any marks on here body caused by the incident?No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
[But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
Did she kill herself?
Was she tasered?
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Would she have died too, if she had not been in the garden at that time?
Was she killed by an animal?
... that was trained (by a human) for this purpose?
Did she eat something poisonous?
Did she touch something poisonous?
Was the killer a supernatural being?
Did an animal poison her?
Did she die by a botanical kind of poison?
Did she fall from the balcony after being poisoned?
Did someone tamper with any of her gardening equipment before the incident?
Is she pregnant?Unknown/Irrelevant :-\
Has she been pregnant?* Yes and No.
So, this question is in the YES list:
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
I'm assuming you are answering "YES" to the swarm part of the question?
Was a virus involved?
Was bacteria involved?
Did the toxin affect her brain?
Haha I've realised one of my questions above was a tautology. Let me break them up:
Was she killed by a single entity?
Was she killed by a bunch of organisms (like a swarm)?
@Mandle beat me.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Wed 30/08/2017 09:34:16
Mandle beat me.
Okay! What do you want me to beat you with?
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 30/08/2017 09:36:42
Quote from: Stupot+ on Wed 30/08/2017 09:34:16
Mandle beat me.
Okay! What do you want me to beat you with?
Whatever you've got to hand, big boy. :wink:
Was Mrs. Atkinson already poisoned before she went into the garden?
Was the poison in solid form?
Was the poison in liquid form?
Was the poison in gas form?
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 30/08/2017 09:31:23
So, this question is in the YES list:
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
I'm assuming you are answering "YES" to the swarm part of the question?
No, I was answering the question as given.
Case #49Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?Yes (nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
Did she know the killer?
Is the account or her death we read what actually happened? (i.e. Not just the neighbor's testimony.)
Was the poison administered shortly before the time of death?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Is this case possible in real life?
Is the poison of this dosage deadly for everyone?
Is Mrs. Atkinson human?
Is the neighbor human?
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
Were there any marks on here body caused by the incident?
Was the poison in liquid form?No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
[But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
Did she kill herself?
Was she tasered?
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Would she have died too, if she had not been in the garden at that time?
Was she killed by an animal?
... that was trained (by a human) for this purpose?
Did she eat something poisonous?
Did she touch something poisonous?
Was the killer a supernatural being?
Did an animal poison her?
Did she die by a botanical kind of poison?
Did she fall from the balcony after being poisoned?
Did someone tamper with any of her gardening equipment before the incident?
Is she pregnant?
Was a virus involved?
Was bacteria involved?
Did the toxin affect her brain?
Was she killed by a single entity?
Was she killed by a bunch of organisms (like a swarm)?
Was Mrs. Atkinson already poisoned before she went into the garden?
Was the poison in solid form?
Was the poison in gas form?Unknown/Irrelevant :-\
Has she been pregnant?
* Yes and No.
Is the poison an artificial product?
Is the poison a common drug if taken in lower dosages?
Was the poison slipped into her drink?
Does the poisoner related to the victim?
Was the poison injected into her?
Was she hit by a poison dart?
Spoiler
Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
Did she know the killer?
Is the account or her death we read what actually happened? (i.e. Not just the neighbor's testimony.)
Was the poison administered shortly before the time of death?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Is this case possible in real life?
Is the poison of this dosage deadly for everyone?
Is Mrs. Atkinson human?
Is the neighbor human?
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
Were there any marks on here body caused by the incident?
Was the poison in liquid form?
Is the poison an artificial product?
Is the poison a common drug if taken in lower dosages? [That would make sense, but you might be overthinking this]
Is the poisoner related to the victim?*
Was the poison injected into her?
Was she hit by a poison dart?*No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
[But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
Did she kill herself?
Was she tasered?
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Would she have died too, if she had not been in the garden at that time?
Was she killed by an animal?
... that was trained (by a human) for this purpose?
Did she eat something poisonous?
Did she touch something poisonous?
Was the killer a supernatural being?
Did an animal poison her?
Did she die by a botanical kind of poison?
Did she fall from the balcony after being poisoned?
Did someone tamper with any of her gardening equipment before the incident?
Is she pregnant?
Was a virus involved?
Was bacteria involved?
Did the toxin affect her brain?
Was she killed by a single entity?
Was she killed by a bunch of organisms (like a swarm)?
Was Mrs. Atkinson already poisoned before she went into the garden?
Was the poison in solid form?
Was the poison in gas form?
Was the poison slipped into her drink?
Is the poisoner related to the victim?*
Was she hit by a poison dart?*Unknown/Irrelevant :-\
Has she been pregnant?
* Yes and No.
Was the murder intentional?
Was the killer alive at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer in the house?
Was the poison delivered by a drone (remote controlled device)?
Were more than one human guilty in her death?
Was the killer (or one of her killers) her husband?
Was she the only person to die in this incident?
Was it premeditated?
Did the victim have an illness like diabetes?
Was the poison an overdose of her medicine?
Does Mrs Atkinson suffer from schizophrenia?
Spoiler
Case #49
Mrs. Atkinson was pottering about in the garden, in view of a neighbor. Suddenly she shrieked, and seemed to be struggling against an invisible foe. By the time the neighbor reached her, she was dead. How did she die?
(nod)
Did someone kill her?
Did she die from any form of poisoning?
Did she know the killer?
Is the account or her death we read what actually happened? (i.e. Not just the neighbor's testimony.)
Was the poison administered shortly before the time of death?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Is this case possible in real life?
Is the poison of this dosage deadly for everyone?
Is Mrs. Atkinson human?
Is the neighbor human?
Was she killed by a single entity or a bunch (like a swarm)?
Were there any marks on here body caused by the incident?
Was the poison in liquid form?
Is the poison an artificial product?
Is the poison a common drug if taken in lower dosages?
[That would make sense, but you might be overthinking this]Is the poisoner related to the victim?*
Was the poison injected into her?
Was she hit by a poison dart?*
Was the murder intentional?
Was the killer alive at the time of the murder?
Was the murderer in the house?
Was the poison delivered by a drone (remote controlled device)?
Was the killer (or one of her killers) her husband?
Was she the only person to die in this incident?
Was it premeditated?No (wrong)
Did she die due to an allergic reaction?
Did she suffer from hallucinations?
Was she on drugs at the time?
Did some kind of insects attack her?
Was she attacked by fire ants?
Was she bitten by a spider?
Was she bitten by a snake?
Did the poison in her system cause her to have hallucinations?
Was it the neighbour who caused her death?
[But I like your thinking! I considered it, but went another way.]Was it some kind of gas?
Was a hose pipe involved?
Did the poison cause muscle spasms?
Did she kill herself?
Was she tasered?
Was the poison delivered by a plant?
Is the murderer human?*
[Yes, but...]Would she have died too, if she had not been in the garden at that time?
Was she killed by an animal?
... that was trained (by a human) for this purpose?
Did she eat something poisonous?
Did she touch something poisonous?
Was the killer a supernatural being?
Did an animal poison her?
Did she die by a botanical kind of poison?
Did she fall from the balcony after being poisoned?
Did someone tamper with any of her gardening equipment before the incident?
Is she pregnant?
Was a virus involved?
Was bacteria involved?
Did the toxin affect her brain?
Was she killed by a single entity?
Was she killed by a bunch of organisms (like a swarm)?
Was Mrs. Atkinson already poisoned before she went into the garden?
Was the poison in solid form?
Was the poison in gas form?
Was the poison slipped into her drink?
Is the poisoner related to the victim?*
Was she hit by a poison dart?*
Was the poison an overdose of her medicine?
Does Mrs Atkinson suffer from schizophrenia?Unknown/Irrelevant :-\
Has she been pregnant?
Did the victim have an illness like diabetes?* Yes and No.
Anyone feel ready to propose a solution?
Was the murderer her husband that was inside flying a remote control killer bee with a powerful poison in it?
Ya, pretty much. I was thinking a swarm of micro-drones, and part of the plot was to rely on the drones being mistaken for bees or wasps by any witnesses. Well done!
WOW! just putting all the answers together. Didn't expect it to be "the answer".
Well if anyone has a case jump in.
Nice puzzle. Do we have any backstory? What did Mrs Atkinson do to deserve that?
Wow! I was right about the drone(s)?! 8-)
Quote from: Stupot+ on Thu 31/08/2017 23:33:56
What did Mrs Atkinson do to deserve that?
She married Rowan ;)
Should have known he had a cunning plan...
A bit of a different concept this round:
The goal is to name the man in a limerick with certain words left out.
You cannot ask YES/NO questions about the case this time. You can only either try to guess words that fit in any of the numbered slots, or attempt to name the man and solve the case.
An experimental format so I'm not sure if it will be way too easy or impossibly difficult. If the former then my apologizes. If the latter then I will try to provide hints without too many spoilers hopefully.
Along the way, if a guess at a word is close to the solution in some way I may mention so, but possibly some time after the fact.
Interested to see how this goes:
CASE #50: NAME THE MAN
There once was a man in SLOT #1,
Obsessed with a SLOT #2 he can't SLOT #3,
First his SLOT #4, then his SLOT #5,
And then even his SLOT #6,
Could not equal his SLOT #7.
YES
SLOT #1:
SLOT #2:
SLOT #3:
SLOT #4:
SLOT #5:
SLOT #6:
SLOT #7:
NO
SLOT #1:
SLOT #2:
SLOT #3:
SLOT #4:
SLOT #5:
SLOT #6:
SLOT #7:
Intriguing!
Two questions about the format:
-Is this still a crime riddle (or riddle about some other suspicious/macabre event)?
-Is it a proper limerick that rhymes, scans, and has a place name in Slot #1?
Depending on the answers, the following guesses may be completely irrelevant:
Slot #2:
-wife?
-crime?
Slot #3:
-kill?
-solve?
SLOT #1: Agger
SLOT #2: girl
SLOT #3: shag 'er
SLOT #4: dad
SLOT #5: mother
SLOT #6: brother
SLOT #7: dagger
Quote from: Snarky-Is it a proper limerick that rhymes, scans...
I had trouble making it scan at first but I did a mental flip and realised how to read it to make it work.
@Mandle As we have to name the man, does that mean it's based on a real case (or a well-known fictional case) and we have to work out which one?
CASE #50: NAME THE MAN
There once was a man in SLOT #1,
Obsessed with a SLOT #2 he can't SLOT #3,
First his SLOT #4, then his SLOT #5,
And then even his SLOT #6,
Could not equal his SLOT #7.
YES
SLOT #1:
SLOT #2:
SLOT #3:
SLOT #4:
SLOT #5:
SLOT #6:
SLOT #7:
NO
Slot #2:
-wife? (No, but...)
-crime? (No, but...not really...but...)
Slot #3:
-kill?
-solve? (Quite close...)
SLOT #1: Agger (No, but it is a place name)
SLOT #2: girl
SLOT #3: shag 'er
SLOT #4: dad
SLOT #5: mother (No, but close in a way)
SLOT #6: brother
SLOT #7: dagger
Yes, the limerick should scan properly. Well, at least within my poetic limits. (laugh)
As for other questions about the genre of the case etc.
I won't answer them just yet as I think they may prove self-evident as more of the limerick comes into focus.
Slot 1:
-Iraq?
Slot 2:
-case?
Slot 3:
-crack?
I tried to make it work with the plot of the Taken trilogy but it fails.
SLOT #1: The Hills (Hollywood?/Beverley?)
SLOT #2: kidnapper
SLOT #3: kill
SLOT #4: daughter
SLOT #5: ex-wife
SLOT #6: own life
SLOT #7: particular set of skills
Oooh, I'm liking Snarky's post... here are some other guesses:
#4 - house
#5 - spouse
#6 - mouse (yeah yeah, I know)
Following HanaIndiana's suggestions, #7 - nous
CASE #50: NAME THE MAN
There once was a man in SLOT #1,
Obsessed with a SLOT #2 he can't SLOT #3,
First his SLOT #4, then his SLOT #5,
And then even his life,
Could not equal his SLOT #7.
YES
SLOT #1:
SLOT #2:
SLOT #3:
SLOT #4:
SLOT #5:
SLOT #6: own life (Not exact, but same meaning so I've accepted it)
SLOT #7:
NO
Slot #2:
-wife? (No, but...)
-crime? (No, but...not really...but...)
Slot #3:
-kill?
-solve? (Quite close...)
SLOT #1: Agger (No, but it is a place name)
SLOT #2: girl
SLOT #3: shag 'er
SLOT #4: dad (Close in only a "mechanical" kinda way. Not the meaning but...)
SLOT #5: mother (No, but close in a way)
SLOT #6: brother
SLOT #7: dagger
Slot 1: Iraq?
Slot 2: case?
Slot 3: crack?
SLOT #1: The Hills (Hollywood?/Beverley?)
SLOT #2: kidnapper
SLOT #3: kill
SLOT #4: daughter
SLOT #5: ex-wife (No, but very close)
SLOT #7: particular set of skills
#4 - house
#5 - spouse (No, but so close)
#6 - mouse
#7 - nous
#5 wife
Okay, Stupot+ better have #5 :-D
#1 - a hatch
#2 - crook
#3- catch
#1 Hell
#3 quell
CASE #50: NAME THE MAN
There once was a man in SLOT #1,
Obsessed with a SLOT #2 he can't SLOT #3,
First his SLOT #4, then his wife,
And then even his life,
Could not equal his SLOT #7.
YES
SLOT #1:
SLOT #2:
SLOT #3:
SLOT #4:
SLOT #5: wife
SLOT #6: life
SLOT #7:
NO
Slot #2:
-wife? (No, but...)
-crime? (No, but...not really...but...)
Slot #3:
-kill?
-solve? (Quite close...)
SLOT #1: Agger (No, but it is a place name)
SLOT #2: girl
SLOT #3: shag 'er
SLOT #4: dad (Close in only a "mechanical" kinda way. Not the meaning but...)
SLOT #5: mother (No, but close in a way)
SLOT #6: brother
SLOT #7: dagger
Slot 1: Iraq?
Slot 2: case?
Slot 3: crack?
SLOT #1: The Hills (Hollywood?/Beverley?)
SLOT #2: kidnapper
SLOT #3: kill
SLOT #4: daughter
SLOT #5: ex-wife (No, but very close)
SLOT #7: particular set of skills
#4 - house
#5 - spouse (No, but so close)
#6 - mouse
#7 - nous
#1 - a hatch
#2 - crook
#3- catch
#1 Hell
#3 quell
Slot #2:
-game?
Slot #3:
-beat?
It would be easier if you organize the Nos by slot rather than proposal.
Slot #4: dog
#1 Maine
#2 phenomenon
#3 explain
#4 son
#7 pain
Is each of the slots just one word, or can it be a short phrase?
#3: win
#1 Toulouse
#3 lose
@S-Made. I like it.
Thanks, Stupot+
But not sure if I'm going the right direction with this.
As far as I know, #1, #3 and #7 have to rhyme, right?
CASE #50: NAME THE MAN
There once was a man in SLOT #1,
Obsessed with a SLOT #2 he can't win,
First his dog, then his wife,
And then even his life,
Could not equal his SLOT #7.YESSLOT #1:
SLOT #2:
SLOT #3: win
SLOT #4: dog
SLOT #5: wife
SLOT #6: life
SLOT #7:
NOSpoiler
Slot #2:
-wife? (No, but...)
-crime? (No, but...not really...but...)
Slot #3:
-kill?
-solve? (Quite close...)
SLOT #1: Agger (No, but it is a place name)
SLOT #2: girl
SLOT #3: shag 'er
SLOT #4: dad (Close in only a "mechanical" kinda way. Not the meaning but...)
SLOT #5: mother (No, but close in a way)
SLOT #6: brother
SLOT #7: dagger
Slot 1: Iraq?
Slot 2: case?
Slot 3: crack?
SLOT #1: The Hills (Hollywood?/Beverley?)
SLOT #2: kidnapper
SLOT #3: kill
SLOT #4: daughter
SLOT #5: ex-wife (No, but very close)
SLOT #7: particular set of skills
#4 - house
#5 - spouse (No, but so close)
#6 - mouse
#7 - nous
#1 - a hatch
#2 - crook
#3- catch
#1 Hell
#3 quell
Slot #2: game?
Slot #3: beat? (No, but so close)
#1 Maine
#2 phenomenon
#3 explain
#4 son
#7 pain (Kinda close)
#1 Toulouse
#3 lose
Slot 1:
-Berlin
Slot 2:
-War
Slot 7:
-something sin?
I'm guessing the man is Hitler.
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 05/09/2017 12:21:56
It would be easier if you organize the Nos by slot rather than proposal.
Easier for who? (laugh)
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 05/09/2017 16:56:54
Slot 1: Berlin
Slot 2: War
Slot 7: sin?
I'm guessing the man is Hitler.
WINNER!!!Here's the story behind the case if anyone is interested:
Spoiler
Hitler was still obsessed with winning his failed war even at the last moments of the war as he was surrounded by armies from all sides.
In his bunker he married his long-time mistress Eva Braun at the last moment.
He planned their suicide together by poison for her and for himself but also planned to shoot himself in the head just to make sure.
But he was suspicious of the suicide pills and terrified of being captured alive by the Soviets.
If the pills had been exchanged for sedatives by a traitor then he was screwed.
So he tested the pills on his beloved pet German Shepherd "Blondie" first...
Then Eva took them, and then Hitler shot himself in the head.
But none of this absovling him from any of what he did was the point of the last line of the limerick.
There once was a man in Berlin,
Obsessed with a war he can't win,
First his dog, then his wife,
And then even his life,
Could not equal his sin.YESSLOT #1: Berlin
SLOT #2: war
SLOT #3: win
SLOT #4: dog
SLOT #5: wife
SLOT #6: life
SLOT #7: sin
The solution to the case was indeed: Adolf Hitler.Over to you Snarky!
Very nice, mandle! And good work Detective Snarky!
Quote from: The Last To Know on Tue 05/09/2017 13:08:19
#1 Maine
#2 phenomenon
#3 explain
#4 son
#7 pain
Thanks for the good words...
I suspect you were maybe going for the name Louis Creed?
Nope, just guessing which words could make sense and would rhyme ;)
But nice that you found a character where it fits. :grin:
Quote from: The Last To Know on Tue 05/09/2017 17:34:52
Nope, just guessing which words could make sense and would rhyme ;)
But nice that you found a character where it fits. :grin:
Oh... I was sure you were guessing at Pet Semetary by Stephen King...
Nice one. I like the format. This could be made into a minigame in AGS.
I preferred trying to make whole rhymes with all 7 slots in one go. Maybe one way the game could be adapted would be for entrants to have to guess all slots per turn. Then the host can only say how many correct answers there are but not which ones. Then as a team or individuals we have to play around until someone gets the whole rhyme and the name.
Hmmmm... 50 cases? Could be a good curtain call for this game but...
NAAAAAW!!!
It's Halloween month so let's go with:
CASE #51: MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING.
You all enter the darkened movie theater together in costume but only one of you will leave alive.
There is a maniac in the theater and he/she/it HATES patrons that are not up on their horror movie tropes and wants to KILL them all!
As you take your seats and the projector flickers into life clamps slide out of the armrests locking all your hands in place. No popcorn during this screening I'm afraid.
The killer lurks in the row behind, ready to off any one of you that fail his/her/its challenges.
The movie begins.
Challenge #1: The Curtain Rises
Your first challenge is a fairly easy one, the shadowy lurker tells you all.
Simply identify which horror movie you are watching by asking YES or NO questions about its tropes.
You can ask a question like "Is there a chainsaw in this movie?", for example, or "Is there an innocent virgin in this movie who is the only survivor?" but you should not ask questions like "Is this movie directed by Tobe Hooper?" or "Are there four main characters in this movie?"
Please keep your questions related to well-known horror movie tropes.
Anybody who asks a question that is not horror-movie-trope-related will be killed by the lurker and will be out of the game (meaning I, as GM, will not respond to any further questions from that person...Sorry, but it is a Halloween round and so simulated bloodshed is a must.)
The lurker (meaning myself, as GM) will be the final judge of whether or not a question pertains to a horror movie trope, and all deaths will be brutally final.
Oh, and guesses at what movie is being screened at this MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING are allowed at any time, but a wrong guess will be your last.
YES
NO
DEAD PLAYERS
Very cool idea! Is it okay to ask more than one question? If not, ignore the other questions but the first.
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
Let's limit questions to three per update, so yours are fine AND you survive with nice tropey questions!
YES
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
NO
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
DEAD PLAYERS
Is a magic/evil book in the movie?
Are demons or demonlike creatures involved?
Are the victims cut off from civilisation (telephone is dead or something like that)?
YES
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
NO
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
Is a magic/evil book in the movie?
Are demons or demonlike creatures involved?
Are the victims cut off from civilisation (telephone is dead or something like that)?
DEAD PLAYERS
I will probably be the first dead player since horror movies are not something I have seen a lot of, but:
Not sure if it is similar to the question already asked about a dead character coming to life but
1) is the killer something that is anthropomorphic? (such as a doll or plant?)
2) does the killer kill more than 3 people?
3) not sure if this is a valid question as I understand your rules, but was there multiple sequels to the movie?
Is the killer an angry restless soul that as a human suffered great harm or injustice?
Is the last surviving person a girl/woman?
Is one of the people that gets killed someone who thinks, being alone in a dark place/at night is a great idea?
At first the lurker seems on the fence about one of dayowlron's questions but then decides that multiple sequels could be considered a horror movie trope. Horror movies, on average, do have the most sequels after all...
YES
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
is the killer something that is anthropomorphic? (such as a doll or plant?)(The lurker had to wiki the full definition of "anthropomorphic" and then decided on a "yes")
does the killer kill more than 3 people?
Is the last surviving person a girl/woman? (out of the main characters at least)
Is one of the people that gets killed someone who thinks, being alone in a dark place/at night is a great idea?(Not alone as in by oneself, but alone with someone else and thinking it great fun. This scene is about one and a quarter hours into the movie.)
NO
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
Is a magic/evil book in the movie?
Are demons or demonlike creatures involved?
Are the victims cut off from civilisation (telephone is dead or something like that)?
was there multiple sequels to the movie?
Is the killer an angry restless soul that as a human suffered great harm or injustice?
DEAD PLAYERS
Is there some kind of mysterious virus or disease in the movie?
Does the movie have more than one killer/enemy?
Are the main characters acting stupid (like not staying together when they are in danger)?
I don't watch horror movies, so I'm going to die horribly. Probably quite soon. :P
Does any part of the movie take place in an abandoned building?
Does the movie take place at Halloween?
Are the main characters teenagers?
YES
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
is the killer something that is anthropomorphic? (such as a doll or plant?) (The lurker had to wiki the full definition of "anthropomorphic" and then decided on a "yes")
does the killer kill more than 3 people?
Is the last surviving person a girl/woman? (out of the main characters at least)
Is one of the people that gets killed someone who thinks, being alone in a dark place/at night is a great idea? (Not alone as in by oneself, but alone with someone else and thinking it great fun. This scene is about one and a quarter hours into the movie. And also there are some other victims that would match this description now that the lurker thinks about it (and the GM rewatched the movie))
Is there some kind of mysterious virus or disease in the movie? ("debatable, but probably yes" the lurker replies)
Does the movie have more than one killer/enemy? (Yes, but only briefly, and not overlapping.)
NO
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
Is a magic/evil book in the movie?
Are demons or demonlike creatures involved?
Are the victims cut off from civilisation (telephone is dead or something like that)?
was there multiple sequels to the movie?
Is the killer an angry restless soul that as a human suffered great harm or injustice?
Are the main characters acting stupid (like not staying together when they are in danger)? (There is a scene where the main characters split up while in danger, but not out of stupidity.)
Does any part of the movie take place in an abandoned building?
Does the movie take place at Halloween?
Are the main characters teenagers?
DEAD PLAYERS
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Should the victims have avoided a specific car?
Should the victims have avoided using their smartphones?
Should the victims have avoided to watch TV?
Is the killer dying in a satisfying way in that movie?
Is there a twist that the killer is someone of the allegedly friendly main characters?
Does the movie take place in an american small town where everyone seems to know each other?
Is one of the characters tripping while trying to get away from the killer?
YES
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
is the killer something that is anthropomorphic? (such as a doll or plant?) (The lurker had to wiki the full definition of "anthropomorphic" and then decided on a "yes")
does the killer kill more than 3 people?
Is the last surviving person a girl/woman? (out of the main characters at least)
Is one of the people that gets killed someone who thinks, being alone in a dark place/at night is a great idea? (Not alone as in by oneself, but alone with someone else and thinking it great fun. This scene is about one and a quarter hours into the movie. And also there are some other victims that would match this description now that the lurker thinks about it (and the GM rewatched the movie))
Is there some kind of mysterious virus or disease in the movie? ("debatable, but probably yes" the lurker replies)
Does the movie have more than one killer/enemy? (Yes, but only briefly, and not overlapping.)
Should the victims have avoided a specific car? (One victim would not have died if they had not arrived in a car at the wrong time so, yes. Also several people (presumably) die in car crashes or getting hit/run over by cars so, under a different definition of "avoid", yes)
Is there a twist that the killer is someone of the allegedly friendly main characters? (Not a twist for the audience, but for the other characters: yes)
Is one of the characters tripping while trying to get away from the killer? (If you mean stumble and fall then, yes. This happens twice in the movie I believe. But nobody is on drugs at any point if that's what you meant. I'm assuming the former though.)
NO
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
Is a magic/evil book in the movie?
Are demons or demonlike creatures involved?
Are the victims cut off from civilisation (telephone is dead or something like that)?
was there multiple sequels to the movie?
Is the killer an angry restless soul that as a human suffered great harm or injustice?
Are the main characters acting stupid (like not staying together when they are in danger)? (There is a scene where the main characters split up while in danger, but not out of stupidity.)
Does any part of the movie take place in an abandoned building?
Does the movie take place at Halloween?
Are the main characters teenagers?
Should the victims have avoided using their smartphones?
Should the victims have avoided to watch TV?
Is the killer dying in a satisfying way in that movie? (The killer's death is quite sad so, no I guess. Matter of opinion I suppose)
Does the movie take place in an american small town where everyone seems to know each other?
DEAD PLAYERS
At this point the lurker says "Wow, for a movie that I chose because I thought it was quite un-tropey, this film sure does have a lot of tropes actually..."
Is one of the characters told not to veer off the established path in some way (for example, to "Stay off the moors!")?
Does a portion of the movie take place in an underground railway system (e.g. The London Tube system)?
Does the killer frequently change form (i.e. from a human into a werewolf)?
YES
Is magic or a curse involved in the story?
is the killer something that is anthropomorphic? (such as a doll or plant?) (The lurker had to wiki the full definition of "anthropomorphic" and then decided on a "yes")
does the killer kill more than 3 people?
Is the last surviving person a girl/woman? (out of the main characters at least)
Is one of the people that gets killed someone who thinks, being alone in a dark place/at night is a great idea? (Not alone as in by oneself, but alone with someone else and thinking it great fun. This scene is about one and a quarter hours into the movie. And also there are some other victims that would match this description now that the lurker thinks about it (and the GM rewatched the movie))
Is there some kind of mysterious virus or disease in the movie? ("debatable, but probably yes" the lurker replies)
Does the movie have more than one killer/enemy? (Yes, but only briefly, and not overlapping.)
Should the victims have avoided a specific car? (One victim would not have died if they had not arrived in a car at the wrong time so, yes. Also several people (presumably) die in car crashes or getting hit/run over by cars so, under a different definition of "avoid", yes)
Is there a twist that the killer is someone of the allegedly friendly main characters? (Not a twist for the audience, but for the other characters: yes)
Is one of the characters tripping while trying to get away from the killer? (If you mean stumble and fall then, yes. This happens twice in the movie I believe. But nobody is on drugs at any point if that's what you meant. I'm assuming the former though.)
Does a portion of the movie take place in an underground railway system (e.g. The London Tube system)? (Not exactly a horror-movie trope question, but underground railway settings have been used in a fair few horror movies so the lurker will let it slide, especially as the answer is yes.)
NO
Is there a killer in the movie that seems to be dead, but suddenly is alive again?
Are persons in the movie that die shortly after or while they had sex?
Is a magic/evil book in the movie?
Are demons or demonlike creatures involved?
Are the victims cut off from civilisation (telephone is dead or something like that)?
was there multiple sequels to the movie?
Is the killer an angry restless soul that as a human suffered great harm or injustice?
Are the main characters acting stupid (like not staying together when they are in danger)? (There is a scene where the main characters split up while in danger, but not out of stupidity.)
Does any part of the movie take place in an abandoned building?
Does the movie take place at Halloween?
Are the main characters teenagers?
Should the victims have avoided using their smartphones?
Should the victims have avoided to watch TV?
Is the killer dying in a satisfying way in that movie? (The killer's death is quite sad so, no I guess. Matter of opinion I suppose)
Does the movie take place in an american small town where everyone seems to know each other?
Is one of the characters told not to veer off the established path in some way (for example, to "Stay off the moors!")? (No, two of the characters are.) :P
Does the killer frequently change form (i.e. from a human into a werewolf)? (Not that frequently. Only twice.) :P
DEAD PLAYERS
Answer: An American Werewolf in London :-)
I almost thought it was wrong because I nearly missed your comments in the 'no' section. Teehee.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Fri 06/10/2017 04:36:41
Answer: An American Werewolf in London
CASE #51: MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING.
The opening credits end and the movie begins. As the song "Blue Moon" fades out you see headlights appear in the distance from over a rise in the bleak countryside. The truck stops and the driver opens the back gate. The two young men in the truck bed jump out from amongst the hay and sheep and help the driver close the gate. The driver points and says "That's East Proctor..."
Just when you were getting into the movie, despite your entrapped condition, the lurker... hell, let's upgrade him to proper noun status... The Lurker butts in:
"Yes indeed, the movie is "An American Werewolf In London"! One of my favorite horror movies! But we are not done here yet! You see, as you all entered the theater in costume one of you was quietly chloroformed and replaced by my partner wearing an identical disguise. Ahem, and yes, he/she/it is also amazing at impersonating voices and so that's why... oh, nevermind... I doubt tropes need much forgiving anymore. You've already suspended your disbelief!
My partner happens to be a character from a horror movie, and quite a nasty one!
SO! It is time for a much-used and much-loved horror movie trope: The Hidden Betrayer!"
Challenge #2: The Wolf Amongst The SheepYour second challenge is a bit harder than the first, The Lurker tells you all.
Identify which horror movie character the betrayer is by asking YES or NO questions about his/her/its tropes.
You can ask a question like "Is the character immortal?", for example, or "Can the character be killed only by a stake through the heart?" but you should not ask questions like "Was the character ever played by Bela Lugosi?" or "Was the movie made by Universal Studios?"
Please keep your questions related to horror movie character tropes.
Anybody who asks a question that is not horror-movie-character-trope-related will be killed by The Lurker and will be out of the game (meaning I, as GM, will not respond to any further questions from that person...Sorry, but it is a Halloween round and so simulated bloodshed is a must.)
The Lurker (meaning myself, as GM) will be the final judge of whether or not a question pertains to a horror movie character trope, and all deaths will be brutally final.
Guesses at what horror movie character the betrayer is are allowed at any time, but a wrong guess will be your last.
Two players may not ask the same question in the same round, or two similar questions that are basically the same. Doing so will not result in death, but only the first question will be valid. However, a question the same as one asked in previous rounds may be asked. A round means the time between two separate updates.
And, just to add the spice that a decent twist betrayal needs in a horror movie:
The betrayer has now been chosen randomly from amongst the people who have already participated in the game so far.
The betrayer has been informed privately (could be via PM in AGS, IRC, FB chat, or any other means available) of his/her/its role, but
NOT of what horror movie character he/she/it is.
The chosen betrayer can refuse this role if they wish to do so. In this case another player will be chosen at random and contacted.
The betrayer can choose once per update to change up to two of the answers The Lurker gives to the opposite: YES to NO or vice versa.
The betrayer may choose to change the answers of their own questions.
The betrayer doesn't need to post before an update to use their power to change question/answer outcomes.
The betrayer should try to send their selection of changed questions to myself (Mandle) privately (by our chosen private communication method) before the next update.
If the betrayer does not respond in time then the changed answers will be selected at random, as well as how many answers are changed (0-2) but the dice will be weighted as such:
1-4: No answers changed.
5: One answer changed.
6: Two answers changed.
In this case the betrayer will be informed of which answer(s) were changed via private communication.
Players may only ask up to three questions per update.
Updates will be fairly randomly timed depending on my RL schedule, but no more than one or two per RL day, and hopefully fairly evenly spaced.
The fate of the betrayer and of the rest of the cast will be determined by The Lurker (myself, as GM) as the end of this challenge.
If The Lurker feels his partner did a decent job of delaying his/her/its exposure as the betrayer then the betrayer shall be spared and a randomly determined player shall be killed in some brutal manner.
However, if The Lurker feels his/her/its partner let him/her/it down then the betrayer shall meet this fate instead.
Now, on with this
MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING YESNODEAD PLAYERS
Nice work Stupot!
Nice one, Stupot! And we all survived! :-D Now I'm wondering what challenge #2 will be...
Please refrain from posting questions in this thread until the betrayer character's identity is finalised.
Any comments other than questions are fine.
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120310/ei9oeuvj.gif) holy moly (http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120310/ei9oeuvj.gif)
I am feeling really halloweenish - spooky - bloody - ... and touched by a deadly breath already! (http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/151209/llmfgcsm.gif)
... especially because I don't even understand the 'job' of the betrayer and what I have to expect by 'changed' answers :-[
Does it mean we are lied to to make it even more difficult?
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/111210/nkz6fwgs.gif)
Quote from: Tabata on Fri 06/10/2017 18:49:20
... especially because I don't even understand the 'job' of the betrayer and what I have to expect by 'changed' answers :-[
Does it mean we are lied to to make it even more difficult?
Basically, yes. But remember that the betrayer is also trying to figure out what character they are (amnesia trope I guess) so they will not be 100% sure what answers are valuable info and which aren't.
Oh, and a slight rule update that I will also add above:
Two players may not ask the same question in the same round, or two similar questions that are basically the same. Doing so will not result in death, but only the first question will be valid. However, a question the same as one asked in previous rounds may be asked. A round means the time between two separate updates.
Okay, CHALLENGE #2 IS NOW OPEN. ASK AWAY!
Is/are the killers undead?
Are highschool teenagers involved?
Are there multiple killers?
Oh boy. Must have missed that post ;)
New questions incoming soon...
EDIT
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Pssst, Kumpel (nudge nudge) we have to ask questions about the character/betrayer but some of yours are more about film tropes again.
Here are some Q.
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Oh, and I'd also like to add:
Can we please keep this game only to this thread. Please don't PM other players or hassle them on IRC etc.
And no directly asking someone if they are the betrayer. While this might feel a little like a game of Mafia it is not. Let's not make the betrayer have to lie about their role as they might not enjoy lying directly to someone. The goal is not to make the betrayer squirm until they give themself away. Again, that's Mafia and this is not.
Cheers!
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/141101/itv4jmfy.gif)
Oooh, the game is getting even more twisty! :-D
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Kumpel starts to say something that could have gotten him killed, but Stupot has his back it seems and jabs him in the ribs.
YES
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
NO
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
DEAD PLAYERS
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Is the betrayer from an other dimension?
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120929/zkbdiaaz.gif)
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Is the betrayer from an other dimension?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
DEAD PLAYERS
Upon reflection, I have decided that, given the difficulty of this round, The Lurker will be slightly more lenient about the actual character guesses/death rule:
Each player who has previously replied in this thread during this case gets 2 chances extra at guessing. A third wrong guess will maybe be death.
New players to this case only get the one chance. A single wrong guess could mean death.
However if a guess at the betrayer's identity is on the right track/close to the betrayer's identity then The Lurker may consider sparing that player: I will roll a dice to determine if The Lurker kills or spares in this case. The exact odds will depend on how close I judge the guess to be:
1: Somewhere in the ball-park
2: Not so close but on the right track in at least one way
3: Fairly close in at least one way
4: Quite close in one or more ways
5: So close you can taste it
If I roll the number mentioned or below the guesser will be spared.
P.S: The number of questions that any player can ask per update is unaffected by this new rule: Current and new players all still get 3 questions per turn.
Also, this probably goes without saying, but only one guess may be made per update for any player.
Questions may be asked by any player in the same turn they attempt a guess and The Lurker will still answer these questions even if the player is no longer with us.
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120317/7izqkken.gif)
I'll take care of you soon!
Next update in about 8 hours from the time of this post.
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
My first guess: Pinhead?
The Lurker listens to Stupot's first guess of "Pinhead" and says "While I do admire your courage at making a guess already I must sadly say that, while I do respect the work of Pinhead, this guess is quite incorrect."
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Is the betrayer from an other dimension?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
DEAD PLAYERS
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/151209/dpmmwipy.gif)
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance (e.g., a hormones)?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Game specific question: Can we talk at each other in here about our assumptions on which questions may have been turned?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language?
Does the betrayer wear clothes?
Does the betrayer target children?
*head scratching*
Quote from: Kumpel on Tue 10/10/2017 09:47:21
Game specific question: Can we talk at each other in here about our assumptions on which questions may have been turned?
Yes, the players are free to discuss anything they like about the game in here but, like I said before, let's just keep it in here.
The assumption is that the characters, trapped in their chairs as they are, can only speak out loud for everyone to hear, including the betrayer and The Lurker.
But yes, go ahead!
Sorry for the delay. RL issues. Updating soon!
Also: it seems I may have underestimated how hard this round would be.
New Rule: If a question asked in a previous round is re-asked then the betrayer must use both of his/her/its "action points" to re-change that answer.
(Sorry for rules changes/updates but this is new for me too)
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Is the betrayer from an other dimension?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance (e.g., a hormones)?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language?
Does the betrayer wear clothes?
Does the betrayer target children?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
DEAD PLAYERS
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead
To compensate for the new power the innocents have just gained I have also granted the betrayer a new power which will only be in effect behind the scenes and will not affect anything the innocents see.
It only slightly helps the betrayer possibly figure out who his/her/its character is before the innocents do, which will aid him/her/it in selecting which questions to alter, and also come under consideration by The Lurker when he/she/it decides which side did the better job: If the betrayer figures it out first that could tip the scales in his/her/its favour. But it's not an auto-win. The Lurker (me, as GM) will look back over the entire challenge and judge as he/she/it views most fair.
I think this round is now fairly balanced. There will be no further rule updates.
On with the show!
I think the secret identity one is turned. Also the ordinary weapons question. It sounds more like a supernatural being.
Here is my first guess: Freddy Krueger
The next update will be about 12-15 hours from now most likely.
Quote from: Mandle on Thu 12/10/2017 15:57:58
The next update will be about 12-15 hours from now most likely.
Which wouldn't be the case, if my guess were right, right? (laugh)
Well then, here's a new bunch of qs:
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
/me wispers in fear of the GM... 8-0
- You guys do realize that if you don't ask more than 4 questions per update, then all answers will be true? Sure it'll take a little longer to get to the right answer, but might be worth it? ;)
You should reread the game rules, Cassie ;)
So the betrayer hasn't figured it out yet, then? Not that it helps me, I still don't have a clue! (laugh)
Here's one more question in the meantime:
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
I think all the questions relating to it being a parasite are red herrings.
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
I think you can guess where I'm heading.
Quote from: Kumpel on Thu 12/10/2017 16:18:59
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
I'm not sure if this question means killers from other franchises or during the onscreen history of the character. I think it's the former, so I will go with that meaning.
YES?Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Is the betrayer from an other dimension?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance (e.g., a hormones)?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language?
Does the betrayer wear clothes?
Does the betrayer target children?
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
NO?Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
DEAD PLAYERSWRONG GUESSESStupot: Pinhead
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger
Quote from: Stupot+ on Thu 12/10/2017 23:37:48
I think you can guess where I'm heading.
I was starting to think that, too, but mostly because Mandle keeps referring to the betrayer as him/her/
it, and I wouldn't put it past him to have sneakily given us the answer all along. ;)
/me quickly stands as much as possible and shouts
IT!
and then quickly crumbles into place expecting a very slow and painful death! 8-0
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Fri 13/10/2017 14:42:53
/me quickly stands as much as possible and shouts
IT!
and then quickly crumbles into place expecting a very slow and painful death! 8-0
"Perhaps not quite as slow as you expected, but yes, extremely painful!", The Lurker replies and everyone hears them yank down some kind of large and rusty metal lever with a teeth-grinding
SCCCRRRRREEEEEEECCHHHH from somewhere behind the row in which they sit imprisoned.
The smell of ozone is faint at first but then quickly increases until:
Spoiler
ELECTRICAL ARCS ZAP THROUGH THE AIR AROUND CASSIEBSG'S SEATZZZZZZAAAAAAAAAPPP! ZAP! ZAAAAAAAP! ZAP-ZAP! ZAAAAAAP! ZAPPITY-ZAP-ZAP!
(https://media.giphy.com/media/NB8BfjNoPjvpu/giphy.gif)
BZZZZZZZ! BZZZZT! CRACKLE! SIZZLE! FFFFFFFFZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz... splutter...
What is left of Cassiebsg now sits burnt to a crisp with wafts of pork-BBQ-smelling smoke drifting up from it through the flickering light of the projector.
You can hear the sly grin in their voice as The Lurker says "Quite the shame... She was such a bright spark..."
:shocked:
Oh Girl!
She will be missed :~(
I'll update in about 12 hours or so as long as there's at least 2 sets of questions by then.
Oh no, Cassie! 8-0 I feel like that was my fault for mentioning my theory. :(
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual?
The Lurker darts to and fro behind you all, ducking their head forward between people now and then for long enough to read the frozen stares on their faces, but never for quite long enough for anyone to get a decent look at them.
The Lurker says "Well, as it seems you all might be in shock over recent developments, I'll just give everyone a little more time to collect their thoughts..."
(Update delayed for about 12 more hours)
"Oh nooo! Cassieeeee ...!!" (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/141101/yrbyzzxg.gif)
*Tabby whispering towards the neighbors*
I am really confused about what answers are lies.
A parasite that wears clothes?
It's from another dimension but no ghost, daemon, spirit or alien but with a real body?
That leaves animals and if I don't want to follow in the direction to scifi movies (Tribbles come to mind (laugh) ) but towards horor genre I am getting lost because most of those parasites are from earth or aliens ... *sigh*
Also my level of knowledge about the language doesn't make it easier for me to come up with something helpful, sorry. :-[
Is it correct that we are allowed to repeat a question (in a new round) ... aaand that a question won't get a wrong answer twice?
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140718/h5gxwjhz.gif) In that case I'd like to try clearing things a bit by this now:
Does the betrayer wear clothes?
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance?
Is the betrayer from an other dimension?
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120328/rnldktrm.gif)
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language?
Does the betrayer target children?
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
Does the betrayer wear clothes? x2
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance? x2
Is the betrayer from an other dimension? x2
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual?
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger
Cassiebsg: It
So, instead of doubling/tripling up on questions that are exactly or basically the same I have added a x2 after questions that have been asked twice and the answer remained the same.
If an answer changes on any questions then that question will appear on both lists.
So far this has not happened.
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/140717/t4vxgupk.gif) gaah - now I am soo stuck, still
hmm - which way to go on now - since an animal won't wear clothes (wtf)
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140718/a8eeh6jh.gif) *grmbl* where is that lie hidden *grmbl*
but wait - nevertheless it might be an alien or daemon (that would fit so nicely to be a parasite) (nod)
... so I need to follow the road a bit more to clear things up:
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/121108/7llyh6mg.gif)
(maybe we are really looking for a brain eater or a species that needs humans for placing and feeding their offspring)
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140718/kwyutnc8.gif)
I'm confused too, Tabata. :-\
Does the betrayer have telekinetic abilities?
Does the betrayer speak a human language?
Does the betrayer target children?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen)
Is the betrayer evil?
Or
Is the betrayer just misunderstood?
Is the betrayer summoned via some ritual?
I feel this is basically impossible though. Any answer could be fake so it's basically a guessing game.
Guess 2: Candyman
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language? x2
Does the betrayer target children? x2
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
Does the betrayer wear clothes? x2
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance? x2
Is the betrayer from an other dimension? x2
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Does the betrayer have telekinetic abilities?
Is the betrayer evil?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen) x2
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit? x2
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual? x2
Is the betrayer just misunderstood?
* These answers are on both lists.
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead, Candyman
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger
Cassiebsg: It
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/140718/wpk7wqpa.gif)
Is the betrayer himself the parasite (or does he use it for to reach his goal)?
Can the parasite be fighted with caffeine?
Does the parasite develop inside the human body?
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/120331/2ffrxx9h.gif)
Is it a male (or someone who presents as male)?
Does he/she/it eat brains?
Does he/she/it drink blood?
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language? x2
Does the betrayer target children? x2
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
Does the betrayer wear clothes? x2
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance? x2
Is the betrayer from an other dimension? x2
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Does the betrayer have telekinetic abilities?
Is the betrayer evil?
Is the betrayer himself the parasite?
Does he/she/it drink blood?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen) x2
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit? x2
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual? x2
Is the betrayer just misunderstood?
Can the parasite be fighted with caffeine?
Does the parasite develop inside the human body?
Does he/she/it eat brains?
* These answers are on both lists.
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead, Candyman
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger
Cassiebsg: It
Quote from: Snarky on Tue 17/10/2017 20:15:58
Is it a male (or someone who presents as male)?
The Lurker glares at Snarky and says "Watch yourself there young man! Seeing as this is the first time you've spoken up I'll give you a break. Maybe you missed the rule about only asking questions based on horror movie tropes, even if only loosely."
Is the betrayer the result of experimentation?
Is the betrayer able to enter a dwelling without opening a door or window?
Is the betrayer the creation of someone's imagination?
The Lurker says "Wakey-wakey all you sleepyheads!"
He cackles, turns around, and throws a knife perfectly through the projector window.
You all hear a scream and then the movie screen slowly starts dripping red from the top down.
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/170901/6pahbe7t.gif)
I am still confused (because I thought about the possibility that asking the same question twice
isn't enough to be sure - what if the first given answer wasn't a lie but the second?) (http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/170901/swpohwi7.gif)
Since I don't want to terrorise you all by asking the same question a third time
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/170901/jh86dafz.gif) I'll risk a guess and say:
Dreamcatcher
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/120929/zkbdiaaz.gif)
Quote from: Tabata on Fri 20/10/2017 17:14:05
I thought about the possibility that asking the same question twice isn't enough to be sure
Since I don't want to terrorise you all by asking the same question a third time
It isn't enough to be sure, that's true, but remember the betrayer can only change one reasked question per round sooo... ;)
And actually I'd say that reasking three or even more times is a perfectly acceptable strategy in the case of this game.
It's too much, man. I'm impressed by the creativity, the effort and atmosphere you're putting in, it's great stuff, but having to brute-force the puzzle by re-asking the same questions over and over just to be relatively confident in the answers... no thanks.
I'll just guess David Bowie's Goblin King from Labyrinth. It fits some answers, and maybe the ones that don't fit are lies.
I've written some questions on the previous page that haven't been dealt with yet.
I want to keep playing but it's hard. Maybe it would help (a little) if we had a number of how many answers are false.
The Lurker says "The betrayer has figured out who he/she/it is already, which means you have asked all the questions needed to do so. Perhaps it is best to not muddy the waters further?"
(Updating in about 12+ hours from now. Anyone can freely edit their posts until then without consequence.)
OK, I don't think the betrayer can be from another dimension and be an extra-terrestrial, it must be one or the other. So, I'm going to try extra-terrestrial and say:
A Pod Person from Invasion of the Body Snatchers?
Oh, and also - poor projectionist. :(
Ok, here is my guess: The Thing?
So The person who is the betrayer has guessed it already? Did they guess it in the thread or privately?
I've only got one guess left and it could be literally anything still.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Mon 23/10/2017 00:58:46
So The person who is the betrayer has guessed it already? Did they guess it in the thread or privately?
Privately.
I'm going to have to update tomorrow probably as I had some more RL stuff crop up yesterday and today. So anyone is still welcome to edit any of their posts in the meanwhile.
Well, I've been wracking my brain over the last few days to find a way to bring this game back from the state it's currently in where nobody is really interested much in continuing.
I thought that a mastermind kind of challenge where questions could be reasked and the players could form a kind of majority pool of "correct" answers to base their guesses on might be fun, but obviously not.
So what I have finally decided to do is have a
ROLLBACK
and swap out the rules a bit as well:
The game reverts to the condition of the last update, which I will post below, and all posts made between then and now are ignored, as I feel some were probably made out of desperation or (more likely) a lack of caring.
As the betrayer has done a good job of confusing everyone, almost too good it seems (laugh), they are considered safe from death by The Lurker.
Also, the betrayer now loses their power to change answers, but may still ask questions as normal and/or make guesses.
I'm also removing the death-threat for wrong guesses completely to speed things along (I really want to finish the game before Halloween and act 3 is still waiting in the wings), but players may make only one guess per update.
However, up to 6 questions may be asked per player per update and these questions are no longer limited to horror tropes. For example: "Is the betrayer male?" is now an acceptable question.
Reasking old questions is also fine, and advisable, as some of them are quite valuable.
The player who makes the first correct guess of the betrayer's true identity is safe from death at the end of the round.
A different player will be chosen at random by The Lurker.
Hopefully this fixes things a bit...
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language? x2
Does the betrayer target children? x2
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
Does the betrayer wear clothes? x2
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance? x2
Is the betrayer from an other dimension? x2
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Does the betrayer have telekinetic abilities?
Is the betrayer evil?
Is the betrayer himself the parasite?
Does he/she/it drink blood?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen) x2
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit? x2
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual? x2
Is the betrayer just misunderstood?
Can the parasite be fighted with caffeine?
Does the parasite develop inside the human body?
Does he/she/it eat brains?
* These answers are on both lists.
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead, Candyman
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger
Cassiebsg: It
OK, so all of the answers from now on will be true. That will make things easier. (nod) It also means that all of our previous guesses were wrong, so I suppose it's back to the drawing board. :-D I'm going to just re-ask questions that we've already had:
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
So from now on answers are definitely true? OK, I'll try to get it rolling again (edit: foiled by Riaise!) by verifying some questions that seem important:
SO, is the betrayer extra-terrestrial OR NOT?
Is the betrayer REALLY from another dimension?
Is the betrayer REALLY able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the betrayer REALLY NOT undead?
Is the betrayer REALLY NOT humanoid?
Does the betrayer REALLY drink blood?
(The all-caps words are just to clarify what answers have already been given. Since yes/no answers to negative questions can be confusing, please remove those parts in answering. I also suggest striking out answers that have since been contradicted and keeping the "Maybe Yes/No" answers separate from the "Definite Yes/No" answers)
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language? x2
Does the betrayer target children? x2
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
Does the betrayer wear clothes? x2
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance? x2
Is the betrayer from an other dimension? x2
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Does the betrayer have telekinetic abilities?
Is the betrayer evil?
Is the betrayer himself the parasite?
Does he/she/it drink blood?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer drink blood?
Is the betrayer undead?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen) x2
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit? x2
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual? x2
Is the betrayer just misunderstood?
Can the parasite be fighted with caffeine?
Does the parasite develop inside the human body?
Does he/she/it eat brains?
is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer from another dimension?
Is the betrayer able to take over/control the body of his victim?
* These answers are on both lists.
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead, Candyman
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger
Cassiebsg: It
Dracula, is that you?
This speculation requires the following answers to be wrong:
Does the betrayer target children? - Yes x2 (I think, right?)
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility? - No
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being? - No
Is the betrayer a loner? - No
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)? - No
Can the betrayer change its appearance? - No
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit? - No x2 (Arguably!)
Is the betrayer able to fly? - No
Answers in bold font are all to questions answered since the rollback and thus are 100% correct.
Answers that were switched by the betrayer (Who now deserves to be updated to proper noun status as well) The Betrayer but have been proven false are now scored out.
SUDDENLY!!!
You all hear a winch turning and a hooded figure bound to a chair appears above the movie screen and is lowered down on wires through the flickering projector light until they sit struggling futilely on the narrow stage below the movie screen.
The Lurker says "Gaze upon the one of your fellows who was kidnapped and replaced by my betrayer. Excuse my post-exposition as this will factor in just a little bit further down the line..."
And then says "And errrr, yeah, BOO! Stabby-kill-kill thing I usually do."
He cackles, turns around, and throws a knife perfectly through the projector window.
You all hear a scream and then the movie screen slowly starts dripping red from the top down, eventually over the form of one of your friends bound to that chair.
The Lurker says "Rollbacks are so awesome! I get to kill twice!"
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 26/10/2017 15:22:29
Dracula, is that you?
The Betrayer shakes their head.
That's a "No"...
I know we're testing previous questions, but we never did get answers for the questions I asked on the previous page:
Is the betrayer the result of experimentation?
Is the betrayer able to enter a dwelling without opening a door or window?
Is the betrayer the creation of someone's imagination?
These questions by Riaise weren't (re)answered, either:
QuoteCan the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Is the betrayer a vampire? (I never really understood the tropes rule, but anyway I guess this is OK now)
Does the betrayer target children?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Is the betrayer male (or present as male)?
Is the betrayer a foreigner (relative to where their most famous movie mostly takes place)?
Does the betrayer appear physically attractive (at least in some forms)?
YES?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer want/need something from humans (for example their blood or their fear) to stay alive?
Does the betrayer target victims specifically?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Does the betrayer try to get a parasitic connection with its victims?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Can the betrayer only be killed in a certain way?
Is the parasite able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the parasitic connection, the betrayer is trying to establish, eventually leading to the death of the victim?
Did the betrayer ever die for good on screen?
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer speak a human language? x2
Does the betrayer target children? x2
Is the betrayer aware that he/she is a killer?
Has the betrayer visited or been in a fight with other killers in movie history?
Does the betrayer act nice towards their victims before turning nasty?
Does the betrayer wear clothes? x2
Does the parasite eat a particular body substance? x2
Is the betrayer from an other dimension? x2
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Does the betrayer have telekinetic abilities?
Is the betrayer evil?
Is the betrayer himself the parasite?
Does he/she/it drink blood?
Does the betrayer have special abilities?
Does the betrayer use a secret identity?
Can the betrayer be harmed with ordinary weapons (knives, guns, etc.)
Is the betrayer sometimes inactive for a longer time span (months, years, centuries...)?
Does the betrayer drink blood?
Is the betrayer undead?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Is the betrayer a vampire?
Does the betrayer target children? (Not specifically though)
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Is the betrayer male (or present as male)?
Is the betrayer a foreigner (relative to where their most famous movie mostly takes place)? (At first, yes. I'm not sure of the exact percentage of screen-times.)
Does the betrayer appear physically attractive (at least in some forms)?
NO?
Is the betrayer undead?
Has the betrayer ever killed children in his movie lifetime? (meaning on screen) x2
Does the betrayer wear a costume of sorts?
Has the betrayer ever spent time in an insane asylum or other psychiatric facility?
Have they been permanently scarred in some way?
Do they have a preferred weapon?
Is (or was) the betrayer at some part of the movie a human being?
Is the betrayer a loner?
Does the betrayer kill directly (rather than using traps, etc.)?
Does the betrayer want revenge on someone?
Can the betrayer change its appearance?
Is the betrayer extra-terrestrial? *
Is the betrayer some kind of ghost or spirit? x2
Is the betrayer being controlled by someone (or something) else?
Is the betrayer able to make himself invisible?
Is the betrayer able to fly?
Is the betrayer bigger than a normal human being?
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
Does the betrayer need the human body for reproduction?
Is the betrayer humanoid?
Does the parasitic collect energy by absorbing certain feelings of his victim?
Is the betrayer only killing if the victim is in a certain state of consciousness?
Does the betrayer live in the sewers?
Does the betrayer take the form of its victims' greatest fears?
Does it take the form of a clown for a large part of its existence?
Can the betrayer be summoned by some kind of ritual? x2
Is the betrayer just misunderstood?
Can the parasite be fighted with caffeine?
Does the parasite develop inside the human body?
Does he/she/it eat brains?
is the betrayer extra-terrestrial?
Is the betrayer from another dimension?
Is the betrayer able to take over/control the body of his victim?
Is the betrayer the result of experimentation?
Is the betrayer able to enter a dwelling without opening a door or window?
Is the betrayer the creation of someone's imagination?
Can the betrayer change its appearance? (Not to the point of becoming unrecognizable)
Is the betrayer a disembodied being?
* These answers are on both lists.
Bold answers are ones that are 100% confirmed true.
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
WRONG GUESSES
Stupot: Pinhead, Candyman
Kumpel: Freddy Krueger, Kurt Barlow
Cassiebsg: It
Snarky: Dracula
HAPPY PAGE 100, BLACK STORIES THREAD!!!
I didn't answer some questions because of the rollback. I probably just should have, but now they are all answered.
@Snarky: The horror movie trope rule was that only questions relating to matters that are likely to occur in horror movies, or relating to likely horror movie characters, should be asked. For example: "Is the betrayer male?" is too generic but "Does the betrayer eat its victims?" is fine. Any questions that fell into a grey area I answered though. This was an attempt to give the contest a slightly different flavour to just a "Guess Who" game. Anyways, yeah, the rule is now removed to speed things up.
@Mandle: Please add Dracula as a wrong guess ;)
Is the Betrayer Kurt Barlow from Stephen King's "Salem's Lot"?
Quote from: Kumpel on Fri 27/10/2017 09:16:39
@Mandle: Please add Dracula as a wrong guess ;)
Is the Betrayer Kurt Barlow from Stephen King's "Salem's Lot"?
Oh, thanks, forgot about that.
Actually I will add your guess there as well. :P
Not Barlow, although I do love that book and character.
(I updated the above post rather than repost yet as the list groweth long. Also I kept the same format as before with guesses next to names even though it doesn't really matter anymore as there is no longer a guess-limit.)
Is the betrayer male?
Did the betrayer ever appear in a film mainly about him after 2000?
Can the betrayer be killed by a wooden peg through the heart?
Has there ever been a scene where one couldn't see the betrayer's mirror image?
Is the betrayer evil through and through?
Well, there aren't THAT many famous movie vampires, so...
The Vampire Lestat?
Quote from: Snarky on Fri 27/10/2017 09:42:06
Well, there aren't THAT many famous movie vampires, so...
The Vampire Lestat?
The Lurker says:
"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE CAPTIVE AUDIENCE, WE HAVE A WINNER!!!"(The GM has no time at the moment to close this challenge out properly so please feel free to talk amongst yourselves during a brief intermission in tonight's feature.)
Oh wow, well done, Snarky! So you're safe from death, now. We'll have to wait and see what The Lurkerâ,,¢ has in store next! 8-0
Also, Happy Page 100, everyone! :-D
Quote from: Riaise on Fri 27/10/2017 13:49:16
We'll have to wait and see what The Lurkerâ,,¢ has in store next! 8-0
What The Lurkerâ,,¢ has in store is:
A MINI-CHALLENGE!!!Everybody gets one guess at which player The Betrayer was.
No penalty for wrong guesses.
In the event of a tie the winner will be chosen randomly.
The winner is safe from death during the transition from Challenge 2 to Challenge 3.
And continue to feel free to chat amongst yourselves as well. Halloween grows close so anything to add to the mood would be wonderful...
The next update will be in 24+ hours from now. Halloween party for the kids at my school tomorrow. Busiest day of the year!
Well done Snarky. I like how Mandle even used example questions pointing to Dracula in his examples at the beginning of the round. So it was obviously not going to be Dracula. But who would've guessed it would turn out to be another famous vampire.
My guess as to which player was the betrayer is Kumpel.
Good luck with the Halloween day, Mandle. Will we get a video tour like last year?
Quote from: Stupot on Fri 27/10/2017 16:04:38
Good luck with the Halloween day, Mandle. Will we get a video tour like last year?
Thanks mate. Yeah, hopefully a video tour but I will have to send a child through with the camera most likely as this year it's a Ninja Yashiki (Ninja-(Maze)-House) made from cardboard boxes much below my body size.
The maze is tricksy as well, with secret doors, sliding blockable passages, and turnable "rooms" that could lead N-S or E-W depending on rotation.
So the maze will be constantly changing while the kids are exploring it. I have a very complicated diagram of the layout drawn on the whiteboard so I can remember what's under the complex layers of cardboard that make up the maze's roof.
If all else fails I will just burrow through the maze myself with camera in hand destroying it as I progress.
I am pretty sure it's riaise
I'm pretty sure it's not me.... I'm just a ghost, so don't mind me. (laugh)
Haha, I'm glad Cassie can still communicate from beyond the grave! (laugh)
Mandle, that maze sounds awesome! I bet the kids will have a fantastic time! ;-D
As for the game, I also guess that The Betrayer is Kumpel.
Congratuations to Snarky!I was/am so confused, I never thought of a vampire as a parasite (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/111210/2hhw2d4n.gif)
... and now you come up with my favorite vamp-movie - gaah!
Sadly I lost track now because I usually get notifications whenever someone does a post,
but there wasn't any for several days now (wtf)
About guessing I don't have someone in mind but as you all are real clever I presume that you are correct with Kumpel.
On the other side - if you are even more clever it can only be someone that you don't think of ... hmmm
I think I'll guess
Stupot then :wink:
(btw. Stu, did you loose you google+ connection? I was sooo used to that+ at your name (laugh) )
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/161227/7xjnyyl5.gif) Happy 100! (http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/161227/7xjnyyl5.gif)
Quote from: Tabata on Sat 28/10/2017 12:43:44
I never thought of a vampire as a parasite (http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/111210/2hhw2d4n.gif)
... and now you come up with my favorite vamp-movie - gaah!
It's also my favorite ever vampire movie and the only one that really tells the experience, fictional as it may be, of what it's like to be a vampire and what all those centuries more life than a human would really do to someone's psyche.
As for the confusion over the term "parasite". I took parasite as meaning an organism that depends upon taking something from another being to continue its existance. I guess maybe you meant a parasite as in something actually living within the body of the host like a xenomorph from the movie Alien. But the term "parasite" can even be applied to someone not actively seeking employment and just living off of welfare. So, in my opinion, which is also The Lurker's opinion, it certainly applies to a vampire.
I will be updating tomorrow sometime with the start of Challenge 3 which I promise will not be as tedious as this one started out to be.
So get those guesses in if you haven't already!
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 28/10/2017 14:51:48
But the term "parasite" can even be applied to someone not actively seeking employment and just living off of welfare.
I disagree, that is not a parasite! That is an unemployed person!
A parasite is when someone lives out of welfare and does NOT seek out employment (or someone that pretends to look for for a job, but doesn't really want one).
Nice, cheers. I had to look up to check that Lestat is originally French, and therefore a foreigner (sort of) in New Orleans. And the "targets children" served as a good bit of misdirection while being perfectly accurate. (I always liked Kirsten Dunst in that role and others.)
Just in case there's some "person who it couldn't possibly be" twist, I'll guess that the betrayer was... Mandle!
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sat 28/10/2017 22:18:33
Quote from: Mandle on Sat 28/10/2017 14:51:48
But the term "parasite" can even be applied to someone not actively seeking employment and just living off of welfare.
I disagree, that is not a parasite! That is an unemployed person!
A parasite is when someone lives out of welfare and does NOT seek out employment (or someone that pretends to look for for a job, but doesn't really want one).
Cassie that's what "not actively seeking employment" means. The two bolded sections mean the same thing. ;)
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 28/10/2017 22:50:49
Nice, cheers. I had to look up to check that Lestat is originally French, and therefore a foreigner (sort of) in New Orleans. And the "targets children" served as a good bit of misdirection while being perfectly accurate. (I always liked Kirsten Dunst in that role and others.)
Just in case there's some "person who it couldn't possibly be" twist, I'll guess that the betrayer was... Mandle!
Yeah, that's exactly what I meant by "targets children". He purposefully drained the girl's blood so that Louis would have to turn her to save her "life" and that would bind Louis to him more once they had their own little "family". I'll have to watch the movie again on Halloween I think. That's just one example of how brilliantly written it is and how deep and real-feeling the characters all are.
Hahaha and I like your thinking on the "twist" betrayer theory. Now THAT'S a real horror movie trope.
Unfortunately it's not the case this time.
I will close guesses now and continue on to the betrayer's reveal and Act III tonight after work.
Oh, oops... somehow I missed reading the not in your sentence... :-[ And me thinking that I only forgot the "not" when typing... (roll)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 29/10/2017 09:58:27
Oh, oops... somehow I missed reading the not in your sentence... :-[ And me thinking that I only forgot the "not" when typing... (roll)
No worries.
The Lurker gestures to The Betrayer who throws off his costume to reveal that he is indeed The Vampire Lestat.
Lestat moves down to where your bound friend still sits struggling in their chair beneath the flickering movie screen and rips off the hood to reveal:
Spoiler
RIAISE
The Lurker says "The hour has grown later, actually, rather earlier than you might have thought, dear Lestat, so here is some of that "Long lost blue" that your pal Louis lamented over:
He pulls another grinding lever and a hatch off to the east side wall of the cinema opens, allowing in the first rays of dawn to shine upon Lestat.
Lestat's skin starts to smoke and turn black and he snarls and dashes off behind the drawn-back curtains and into the wings of the theater.
YES! Your friend, mentioned above in the hidden section, swapped places with and controlled The Betrayer during this challenge. Confusing to most, but not to hardied adventure game players who are used to swapping characters all the time!
As they did a dedicated job as The Betrayer they are spared from death and as Kumpel was the only one to guess The Betrayer's identity he is also spared.
The-Betrayer-no-more has also now returned to the game as a regular player, just bound to their seat in front of the screen instead of to an audience seat like everyone else.
Now... Who dies?
To Be Continued...
The Lurker seems to fumble with something. It looks, from your limited field of vision, bizarrely like he might be trying to solve a Rubik's Cube, and then:
Chains rip out from the darkness and embed the hooks at their ends into the flesh of their chosen victim:
Spoiler
Stupot utters his last words before being ripped apart:
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To Be Continued...
CASE #51: MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING.
It seems this screening was a triple-feature, at least.
The dawn of October 31st has come and you are still all locked into your seats.
Cassiebsg's remains still waft puffs of smoke now and then up through the flickering projector light.
The body parts of Stupot bound to his seat remain in place but the rest of him is splattered over the the entire movie theater in general and the survivors in particular.
The Lurker cackles and says "Time to find out who the one who lives through my little game is, and who those who do not are!"
Challenge #3: Culling The Herd
The Lurker speaks out a list of common horror movie tropes:
(1) There is a POV shot through the killer's mask in this horror movie.
(2) A character cuts off one of their own body parts in this horror movie.
(3) There is an inbred family in this horror movie.
(4) Cannibalism is the main theme of this horror movie.
(5) A character transforms into an animal in this horror movie.
(6) The characters fight subterranean monsters in this horror movie.
(7) This horror movie deals with the theme of religion vs. an evil force.
(8) This horror movie parodies the horror movie genre.
(9) The characters in this horror movie are racing against a time limit to defeat their foe.
(10) This horror movie is about a haunted house.
(11) The characters in this horror movie are unaware at first that they are pawns in a larger game.
(12) This horror movie takes place mostly in one room.
(13) This is one of the most famous slasher horror movies of all time.
Players may now submit their lists of answers to each question.
As each question is pretty ambiguous and could relate to many horror movies players may fairly guess answers that a player before them has already guessed.
The player that gets the most answers correct before the next update (hopefully before Halloween in over) is the lone survivor and wins the game.
Now, on with this MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING
DEAD PLAYERS
Cassiebsg: Electrocuted
Stupot: Ripped Apart
Wow, so many multiple posts from me.
Sorry!
Just wanted to say that I posted the last post at exactly midnight October 30th my time. Totally by coincidence!
Officially Halloween now my time!
I've decided that 4 surviving players have achieved main-character status at this point because of their continued interest in the game:
Tabata
Riaise
Kumpel
Snarky
These 4 players will all get a +1 score on their final answer tally.
New players are also more than welcome to participate but I must give a slight advantage to our main-characters I feel.
Dead players: I'm sorry but a Halloween game demanded some glorious death scenes. I hope you enjoyed yours...
Have a happy, horrifying night everyone! (http://s14.directupload.net/images/user/141101/u8zvnd9k.gif)
Boah - this has become hard work - just to stay alive in here for some minutes more (laugh)
… but here goes nothing - my list:
Spoiler
(1) There is a POV shot through the killer's mask in this horror movie. ~ John Carpenter's Halloween (1978)
(2) A character cuts off one of their own body parts in this horror movie. ~ Saw (2004)
(3) There is an inbred family in this horror movie. ~ Cabin Fever (2002)
(4) Cannibalism is the main theme of this horror movie. ~ Pandorum (2009)
(5) A character transforms into an animal in this horror movie. ~ The Fly (1958/1986)
(6) The characters fight subterranean monsters in this horror movie. ~ Mimic (1997)
(7) This horror movie deals with the theme of religion vs. an evil force. ~ The Exorcist (1973)
(8) This horror movie parodies the horror movie genre. ~ Scary Movie (all of them :wink: )
(9) The characters in this horror movie are racing against a time limit to defeat their foe. ~ The Ring (2002)
(10) This horror movie is about a haunted house. ~ Poltergeist (1982)
(11) The characters in this horror movie are unaware at first that they are pawns in a larger game. ~ Funny Games (2007)
(12) This horror movie takes place mostly in one room. ~ Hmmm - again Saw? Naaw - can't be ... so I'll choose another one for this: Buried (2010)
(13) This is one of the most famous slasher horror movies of all time. ~ You little devil! What a cruel question! :shocked: There are soo much ... I'll go with: A Nightmare On Elm Street (1984)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/170901/fuswskta.gif)
I'm not a big horror buff, but here are my guesses:
Spoiler
1 Halloween
2 Evil Dead 2
3 Texas Chainsaw Massacre
4 Cannibal Holocaust
5 The Fly
6 The Descent
7 The Exorcist
8 Scream
9 The Ring
10 The Haunting
11 Cabin in the Woods
12 Saw
13 Friday the 13th (I originally had Halloween here, but I figure the number might be a clue?)
Okay, I like this round much better than the previous one!
So, it was a pleasure with you guys. Sorry that this has to end.
Here goes nothing:
Spoiler
1) The Skull
2) Saw
3) Wrong Turn
4) The Green Inferno
5) Ginger Snaps
6) The Descent
7) The Prophecy
8) Scary Movie
9) Saw 2
10) House on Haunted Hill
11) Cabin In The Woods
12) Rope
13) Friday the 13th
I have no idea on these. Off to Google I go! (laugh)
Spoiler
(1) Halloween
(2) The Evil Dead 2
(3) The Hills Have Eyes
(4) The Silence of the Lambs
(5) The Howling
(6) The Descent
(7) The Exorcist
(8) Scary Movie
(9) The Ring
(10) The Amityville Horror
(11) Saw
(12) The Hunger
(13) The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Uh Yeah! Promotion to main character! AWESOME. But wait... My movie script ends on a certain page... (wtf)
My answers are:
Spoiler
(1) Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
(2) Evil Dead 2.
(3) The Hills Have Eyes.
(4) Wrong Turn.
(5) The Fly.
(6) Tremors.
(7) The Exorcist.
(8) Scary Movie.
(9) Aliens.
(10) Poltergeist.
(11) Cabin in the Woods.
(12) Saw.
(13) Halloween.
THE LURKER SAYS:The correct answers were:
Spoiler
(1) Halloween. (The original slasher film and namesake to this day must be first of course!)
(2) Evil Dead 2. (WHO'S LAUGHING NOW?!?!)
(3) Texas Chainsaw Massacre. (Such lovable inbred loonies!)
(4) Cannibal Holocaust. (Only Snarky guessed this one so maybe he has also seen one of the most disturbing horror films of all time. The producers actually hid the actors away after the release to make it seem more real but then went to trial for murder when the film was released as it seemed like the cast had been killed until they managed to track down the actually alive actors that they had paid to stay hidden. Magnificent! The animal killings are hard to stomach but at least it seems that every animal killed was eaten by the cast and native tribe filmed in the movie.)
(5) An American Werewolf In London. (Hahaha... got you all... Nobody thought it could be the actual first movie...)
(6) Tremors. (Well done to Kumpel for being the only one to guess this movie. It's a monster movie classic!)
(7) The Exorcist. (The scariest movie of all time for me. Tied with number 9 below.)
(8) Scream. (Wes Craven gave us some of the best horror movies of all time and then decided to deconstuct what he (and others) had made and gave us Scream: The perfect balance between real and parody slasher fare. Anybody can watch it on any level and still have fun.)
(9) Ring. (I watched the original version at an old Japanese inn in the mountains on a dark and windy night. Never been so scared. I had to wait for my wife to get back from the inn's hot spring before I could even take a bath in the room myself.)
(10) Poltergeist. (Best haunted house movie EVER!)
(11) Cabin In The Woods. (Nothing really to say. If you haven't seen it: SEE IT!)
(12) Saw. (The series gained a bad reputation for torture-porn, but the original movie it actually very clever.)
(13) Friday The 13th. (Yes, the quiz number was a hint. The first slasher movie to do over-the-top gore and still pull off a decent plot and twist. The online game is also awesome!)
So the final scores are:
Spoiler
Tabata: 4
Snarky: 10 (Dude, it felt like you were reading my mind when I read your list...)
Last To Know: 2
Riaise: 4
Kumpel: 6 (Well done!)
Spoiler
The Lurker stabs Riaise in the face with multiple scalpels:
[IMGZOOM]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-syAO2z581TY/U175RGL0TgI/AAAAAAAAN7c/4h3nqbEGBO4/s1600/stab.gif[/IMGZOOM]
Spoiler
The Lurker presses his thumbs into Kumpel's eyes until they pop:
[IMGZOOM]http://pa1.narvii.com/6147/8dda4a197a21e6beae8f6dc065916ac2359998d8_hq.gif[/IMGZOOM]
Spoiler
The Lurker controls Tabata's mind to pull her own head off:
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Spoiler
The Lurker then concentrates his mind powers on The Last To Know until finally:
[IMGZOOM]https://i.imgur.com/MmBKV8X.gif[/IMGZOOM]
Now The Lurker looks at Snarky and says
"GO!!!" as the armlocks on his chair disengage.
Snarky's fate:Spoiler
Snarky runs for the exit as The Lurker sets off explosives hidden here and there within the cinema to make the hero's escape more dramatic and The Lurker's fate more veiled in mystery.
Snarky exits the theater to find police surrounding it and has this to say:
[IMGZOOM]https://i.giphy.com/media/ljhhjnlhYdKq4/200.gif[/IMGZOOM]
Snarky is the final survivor of this MIDNIGHT HORROR MOVIE SCREENING
The police were not able to identify the remains of enough bodies to determine if The Lurker had escaped or not...
HAPPY HALLOWEEN TO ALL AND TO ALL A GOODNIGHT!!!
Thanks for giving me a glorious GoT death :)
This was over the top fun! Mandle with this I will call you from now on
:= := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := ENTERTAINMANDLE!!! := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := := :=
Congratulations Snarky. Your mind reading skills are mind blowing.
Happy Halloween everybody! Whatcha going to/did you watch tonight? We are starting Insidious 3 in a few minutes.
Thanks for a wild ride, Mandle! I'm not sure I deserved the win, but maybe having only a passing knowledge of the horror genre was to my advantage at the end, since it kept me from overthinking the clues. Cannibal Holocaust was just because I had a hard time thinking of movies about cannibalism, so I simply went off the title. OTOH I actually had An American Werewolf in London for clue 5 at first, but yeah, I figured it wasn't likely to be something from an earlier round. Nice fakeout!
I think I watched Ringu at a small college "cinema" (probably just a DVD showed on a projector) back in 2001 or so, and it made a big impression on me. I always liked the original better than the remake.
Happy Halloween, everybody!
Might watch It Follows or I Am the Pretty Thing That Lives in the House tonight, if I can get access to a TV.
Ha, ha, ha - running around headlessly is a kinda strange feeling - but at least my toothache is gone. (laugh)
:cool: Congratulations to our clever survivor Snarky! :cool:
... and big thanks for our terrifying jigsaw host - you did a really cool job! (nod)
(http://www.animierte-gifs.net/data/media/338/animiertes-halloween-bild-0630.gif)
(http://bestanimations.com/Careers/Entertainment/Clowns/scary-clown-animated-gif-4.gif)
Cheers, guys!
It was awesome to GM this round and a great learning experience in what can be fun in a game as well as what maybe is not so much fun at times.
Oh, and I watched "Interview With The Vampire" as my Halloween movie. Only for about the 20th time but I see something new each time still.
Snarky, did you watch "It Follows"? I thought that was a great horror movie even with all its flaws.
I didn't watch any horror last night but I'm going to see Get Out at the cinema this evening.
I loved It Follows. Genuinely creepy.
Quote from: Stupot on Wed 01/11/2017 01:32:13
I'm going to see Get Out at the cinema this evening.
Not just amazing horror movie, but amazing movie!
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 01/11/2017 06:29:34
Quote from: Stupot on Wed 01/11/2017 01:32:13
I'm going to see Get Out at the cinema this evening.
Not just amazing horror movie, but amazing movie!
Just finished watching it. I'm blown away.
HAPPY (belated) HALLOWEEN!
Well done, Snarky, the last survivor! This has been fun, maybe we can have another round like this sometime, but with a different theme. Adventure games, perhaps?
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 01/11/2017 00:40:46
Snarky, did you watch "It Follows"? I thought that was a great horror movie even with all its flaws.
I started, but only finished it today. Yeah, I thought it was great!
I liked all the fucked-up forms the It took. Apart from a couple of makeup effects and a really tall guy they all just looked like people, but often so weirdly wrong and out of place. Nudity put to very effective use!
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 02/11/2017 09:35:29
Apart from a couple of makeup effects and a really tall guy they all just looked like people, but often so weirdly wrong and out of place.
It was the tall man that freaked me out the most, especially the first time he appeared out of the darkness, and then later when he passed by the shack's window briefly. I think it was that you could never see his face clearly, so it could have been anything.
/me is back from the afterlife (laugh)
Thanks for a fun horrifying game :-D was fun to "participate" from the passive side. (laugh)
Oh, only 2 points... I tried not to take the obvious choices and failed miserably. But nevermind, in the end this game blew my head away :grin:
Let's do one in the basic style (YES or NO questions, Max 5 per update), if perhaps a bit controversial:
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
Yes (nod)
No (wrong)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision?
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties?
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario?
is there a democratic controlled congress?
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
I'm wondering what the trick is (if there is one):
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Quote from: Stupot on Wed 08/11/2017 05:40:09
I'm wondering what the trick is (if there is one):
There is no trick of the kind you are feeling around for.
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Five questions per round, right?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Do other nations take similar action?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Is cannabis legalized?
Has there somehow been a disappearence of some part of the congress members as in the biblical event called "rapture"? (see "The Leftovers" for more information)
Is this the idea on which "The Purge" is based on, meaning there is one night in the year when everything is allowed without any consequences for the perpetrator, but at the other 364 days any kind of crime is punished really hard?
Are they held hostage by a gunman?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Let's specify this a little more...
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
...
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
This is way more complex as I thought it would be...
Not a clue...
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen?
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Quote from: Mandle on Fri 10/11/2017 15:32:07
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
OK, so just to clarify, this is
humans shooting
humans, am I right? :P (laugh)
The reason I asked that question was because I had a theory about there being some sort of Planet-of-the-Apes-esque thing going on. But clearly not. (laugh)
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence? (They would make a high-profile target for some nutcase or for someone bearing a grudge against the government, so yes)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen? (The question to solve is why the sweeping gun control laws were passed, not how)
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
Is the government fearing a racially/homophobic or similarly motivated attack because of an usual composition of the congress/the ethnicity of the new president?
Would this scenario be possible under trump?
I am only reaching for straws here, I know...
The absurd thing is that it's not the case scenario that needs an explanation, it's our own world.
Is there still a two-party system with genuine political competition and opposition?
Is Congress driven by a sincere conviction that the bills they pass will make for good policy? (To the extent that sincerity is possible in politics)
Do the bills pass with solid majorities in Congress?
Do the laws finally pass because (enough) politicians have changed their position? (Rather than been replaced.)
Does the new law affect all firearms?
Does the new law only affect firearms?
Does the new law only apply to certain groups of people?
Does the new law also apply to law enforcement officers?
Does the new law also apply to the U.S. military forces? (perhaps to prevent a coup)
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence? (They would make a high-profile target for some nutcase or for someone bearing a grudge against the government, so yes)
Is there still a two-party system with genuine political competition and opposition?
Do the bills pass with solid majorities in Congress?
Do the laws finally pass because (enough) politicians have changed their position? (Rather than been replaced.)
Does the new law affect all firearms?
Does the new law only affect firearms?
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Would this scenario be possible under trump? (Almost certainly not)
Is Congress driven by a sincere conviction that the bills they pass will make for good policy? (Only good policy in as far as they themselves are concerned so no, not sincere in the way I feel you meant)
Does the new law only apply to certain groups of people?
Does the new law also apply to law enforcement officers?
Does the new law also apply to the U.S. military forces?
Is the government fearing a racially/homophobic or similarly motivated attack because of an usual composition of the congress/the ethnicity of the new president?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen? (The question to solve is why the sweeping gun control laws were passed, not how)
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
It's getting harder and harder to put complex real-world political questions into strict categories for what is actually a fairly glib "What If" scenario so please forgive if some seem weirdly placed.
The "YES" category contains most of the best hints ;)
I've gone ahead and underlined what I feel are the most valuable hints so far.
Has there been a shooting targeting one or more top politicians or their families?
Have they been spooked by threats or the uncovering of a plot targeting top politicians or their families?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence? (They would make a high-profile target for some nutcase or for someone bearing a grudge against the government, so yes)
Is there still a two-party system with genuine political competition and opposition?
Do the bills pass with solid majorities in Congress?
Do the laws finally pass because (enough) politicians have changed their position? (Rather than been replaced.)
Does the new law affect all firearms?
Does the new law only affect firearms?
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Would this scenario be possible under trump? (Almost certainly not)
Is Congress driven by a sincere conviction that the bills they pass will make for good policy? (Only good policy in as far as they themselves are concerned so no, not sincere in the way I feel you meant)
Does the new law only apply to certain groups of people?
Does the new law also apply to law enforcement officers?
Does the new law also apply to the U.S. military forces?
Is the government fearing a racially/homophobic or similarly motivated attack because of an usual composition of the congress/the ethnicity of the new president?
Has there been a shooting targeting one or more top politicians or their families?
Have they been spooked by threats or the uncovering of a plot targeting top politicians or their families? (No, but both underlined questions including this one and the one above are exactly the kind of thing that congress members fear will happen to them. Getting close!)
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen? (The question to solve is why the sweeping gun control laws were passed, not how)
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
Are politicians' fears well founded?
Has the objective danger of gun violence aimed at politicians objectively increased?
(If so) is the increase in violence ideologically based?
Have congress been found to have been tricking or hiding information from the public in some way? (Prior to the gun law being put in place)
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence? (They would make a high-profile target for some nutcase or for someone bearing a grudge against the government, so yes)
Is there still a two-party system with genuine political competition and opposition?
Do the bills pass with solid majorities in Congress?
Do the laws finally pass because (enough) politicians have changed their position? (Rather than been replaced.)
Does the new law affect all firearms?
Does the new law only affect firearms?
Are politicians' fears well founded?
Has the objective danger of gun violence aimed at politicians objectively increased? (Has objective danger objectively increased? Ummmmmmmm... This confused me enough to just put it in the YES list with this major hint: Congress feels the level of danger to themselves has increased massively and thus passed the new sweeping gun control laws)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Would this scenario be possible under trump? (Almost certainly not)
Is Congress driven by a sincere conviction that the bills they pass will make for good policy? (Only good policy in as far as they themselves are concerned so no, not sincere in the way I feel you meant)
Does the new law only apply to certain groups of people?
Does the new law also apply to law enforcement officers?
Does the new law also apply to the U.S. military forces?
Is the government fearing a racially/homophobic or similarly motivated attack because of an usual composition of the congress/the ethnicity of the new president?
Has there been a shooting targeting one or more top politicians or their families?
Have they been spooked by threats or the uncovering of a plot targeting top politicians or their families? (No, but both underlined questions including this one and the one above are exactly the kind of thing that congress members fear will happen to them. Getting close!)
Is the increase in violence ideologically based?
Have congress been found to have been tricking or hiding information from the public in some way? (Prior to the gun law being put in place) (No, not any more than is usual)
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen? (The question to solve is why the sweeping gun control laws were passed, not how)
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
Are the members of congress afraid of being killed in a way other than being shot?
Are the members of congress being threatened by anti-gun people?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence? (They would make a high-profile target for some nutcase or for someone bearing a grudge against the government, so yes)
Is there still a two-party system with genuine political competition and opposition?
Do the bills pass with solid majorities in Congress?
Do the laws finally pass because (enough) politicians have changed their position? (Rather than been replaced.)
Does the new law affect all firearms?
Does the new law only affect firearms?
Are politicians' fears well founded?
Has the objective danger of gun violence aimed at politicians objectively increased? (Has objective danger objectively increased? Ummmmmmmm... This confused me enough to just put it in the YES list with this major hint: Congress feels the level of danger to themselves has increased massively and thus passed the new sweeping gun control laws)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Would this scenario be possible under trump? (Almost certainly not)
Is Congress driven by a sincere conviction that the bills they pass will make for good policy? (Only good policy in as far as they themselves are concerned so no, not sincere in the way I feel you meant)
Does the new law only apply to certain groups of people?
Does the new law also apply to law enforcement officers?
Does the new law also apply to the U.S. military forces?
Is the government fearing a racially/homophobic or similarly motivated attack because of an usual composition of the congress/the ethnicity of the new president?
Has there been a shooting targeting one or more top politicians or their families?
Have they been spooked by threats or the uncovering of a plot targeting top politicians or their families? (No, but both underlined questions including this one and the one above are exactly the kind of thing that congress members fear will happen to them. Getting close!)
Is the increase in violence ideologically based?
Have congress been found to have been tricking or hiding information from the public in some way? (Prior to the gun law being put in place) (No, not any more than is usual)
Are the members of congress afraid of being killed in a way other than being shot?
Are the members of congress being threatened by anti-gun people?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen? (The question to solve is why the sweeping gun control laws were passed, not how)
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
So, to reduce confusion when looking at the massive list of questions and answers this is what is important so far:
* The President has written an executive order which has caused Congress to vote swiftly for sweeping gun control laws.
* As a result of this order members of Congress have reason to fear for their safety.
* There have not been any gun-related attacks on any members of Congress yet but this is what they fear and what drove them to vote for the new laws.
Are politicians at higher risk because they are more unpopular than before?
Are politicians at higher risk because there's a reduced disincentive against shooting them? (E.g. less chance of punishment/being killed?)
Are politicians at higher risk because the incentive to shoot them has increased? (E.g. a bounty on members of Congress, or a rule that says if you kill a Congressman you get his seat)
Do politicians fear being shot by partisans of the opposing political party (Democrats by Republicans, Republicans by Democrats)?
Do politicians fear being shot by other politicians?
Case #52
The American Federal Government suddenly approves sweeping gun control laws nationwide. Why?
YES (nod)
Is the POTUS involved in this decision? (An Executive Order from the POTUS to be precise: Unfortunately even the POTUS couldn't order such a thing in the real world. Let's assume for the sake of this "What If?" argument that the POTUS has dictator-like powers to some extent but still needs congress to pass laws that affect the entire nation)
When you say "guns" are you referring to weapons that fire bullets such as handguns, rifles, shotguns etc.
When you say "gun-control laws" are you talking about banning/restricting them?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings?
Do the members of Congress fear for their own physical safety?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans?
Is the reason for the gun control laws to reduce gun killings of humans by other humans? (Once and for all: YES!!! And also YES for humans that actually have real fingers to pull the triggers instead of AI hands controlled by Skynet, or vice versa. Also YES for humans that sometimes think they get abducted by aliens, whether shooter or victim. Also YES for humans shooting other humans that the shooter may believe is possessed by the Devil, or vice versa. Also YES for...etc. etc. (laugh) )
Is Congress particularly at risk from gun violence? (They would make a high-profile target for some nutcase or for someone bearing a grudge against the government, so yes)
Is there still a two-party system with genuine political competition and opposition?
Do the bills pass with solid majorities in Congress?
Do the laws finally pass because (enough) politicians have changed their position? (Rather than been replaced.)
Does the new law affect all firearms?
Does the new law only affect firearms?
Are politicians' fears well founded?
Has the objective danger of gun violence aimed at politicians objectively increased? (Has objective danger objectively increased? Ummmmmmmm... This confused me enough to just put it in the YES list with this major hint: Congress feels the level of danger to themselves has increased massively and thus passed the new sweeping gun control laws)
Are politicians at higher risk because there's a reduced disincentive against shooting them? (E.g. less chance of punishment/being killed?) (Yes, it is much less riskier to kill anyone in congress under this scenario)
NO (wrong)
Is this a nearly futuristic scenario? (No, but this scenario couldn't actually happen in the real world, unfortunately. It's more of a "What If?" kind of case.)
Is this a consequence of some new technology?
Does this happen in the past?
Do the Founding Fathers get a glimpse of the future of constant mass shootings that will otherwise come to pass?
Is it In order to stop an attempt at revolution by the American people? (No, but interesting scenario nonetheless)
When you say "nationwide" are these gun control laws in fact being forced by the US government onto a nation other than America?
Is an alien race involved in some way?
Is the reason behind the banning actually due to a secondary effect of the guns being fired?
Has human hearing for some reason become more acute?
Have the government been hypnotised?
Were the actions of another country involved in the decision?
Did the President make the decision due to something that had happened to them personally?
Is a supernatural/miraculous event or phenomenon involved?
Is the decision motivated by some new research finding (or new evidence for something)?
Is the decision based on a different legal doctrine/interpretation than the Supreme Court and Congress currently follow? (I think No, but your question was complicated. Congress responded in their own best interests and passed the new laws very quickly.)
Has the world's population been drastically reduced?
Was there a huge prison break / multiple prison breaks?
Is the guns dangerous to fire (for the shooter)?
Is there a natural disaster?
Did The Rapture happen?
Is this the idea on which the movie "The Purge" is based on? (No, but similar in that drastic action is taken tp fix a problem.)
Are they held hostage by a gunman? (Not yet, but they ARE afraid of something like this happening, or something much worse.)
Is there a shortage of bullets (or something bullets are made from/with).
Is there a shortage of guns (or something guns are made from/with).
Has something affected the populace at large making them more likely to kill other people?
Has there been an even bigger gun hype, resulting in a mass owning of guns for almost every family, citizen and so on?
Did the industry immensely reduce the price for guns?
Has there been a huge event outside of America which made the government fear for the future of its own nation?
Are these guns software controlled?
Are they afraid of guns that explode when the user operates it? (as in malfunction)
Was the government coerced into making the decision?
Are Americans in general more at risk from gun violence than at present?
Would this scenario be possible under trump? (Almost certainly not)
Is Congress driven by a sincere conviction that the bills they pass will make for good policy? (Only good policy in as far as they themselves are concerned so no, not sincere in the way I feel you meant)
Does the new law only apply to certain groups of people?
Does the new law also apply to law enforcement officers?
Does the new law also apply to the U.S. military forces?
Is the government fearing a racially/homophobic or similarly motivated attack because of an usual composition of the congress/the ethnicity of the new president?
Has there been a shooting targeting one or more top politicians or their families?
Have they been spooked by threats or the uncovering of a plot targeting top politicians or their families? (No, but both underlined questions including this one and the one above are exactly the kind of thing that congress members fear will happen to them. Getting close!)
Is the increase in violence ideologically based?
Have congress been found to have been tricking or hiding information from the public in some way? (Prior to the gun law being put in place) (No, not any more than is usual)
Are the members of congress afraid of being killed in a way other than being shot?
Are the members of congress being threatened by anti-gun people?
Are politicians at higher risk because they are more unpopular than before?
Are politicians at higher risk because the incentive to shoot them has increased?
Do politicians fear being shot by partisans of the opposing political party?
Do politicians fear being shot by other politicians?
Not Important
Is there a democratic controlled congress? (I assume you mean the Democratic party)
Has there been a huge shooting with lots of casualties? (Most likely several but congress has never done anything meaningful before even after multiple mass shootings. So, while being the trigger events that started this action, they are not the direct reason why the new laws were suddenly passed.)
Is the decision driven by lobbyists?
Do other nations take similar action?
Is cannabis legalized?
Is the POTUS republican?
Is there a different outcome of a war, compared to our reality?
Has there been a mass migration to the US from another country?
Could this scenario theoretically be possible in the real world in the future? (I guess...Anything's possible given enough time, but not really important in this case.)
Has the 2nd amendment been changed for this?
Have other amendments been changed before this could happen? (The question to solve is why the sweeping gun control laws were passed, not how)
Has the USA become a one-party-state?
Has there been a dramatic increase in popular support for gun control among voters?
Was the president's Executive Order basically to legalize/decriminalize gun violence?
Quote from: Stupot on Wed 15/11/2017 23:02:35
Was the president's Executive Order basically to legalize/decriminalize gun violence?
Not that generally but this is very close to the solution.
Has it been made legal (or not-to-be-prosecuted, at least) to shoot politicians/members of Congress?
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 16/11/2017 08:56:17
Has it been made legal (or not-to-be-prosecuted, at least) to shoot politicians/members of Congress?
No, but you are extremely closer to the answer!
It's not more legal to shoot a politician but it's a lot... (I'll leave the last word in that sentence out because it might be too much of a giveaway)
...easier.
Is everyone now required to own/carry a gun?
Is everyone now allowed to have a gun (as in also convicted criminals and such, that currently can't legally buy/own one)
Has the price of guns/ammo dropped to insane low prices, making it easier to buy?
Can you now buy guns and ammo anywhere, not just in gun shops and markets/fairs, but also in supermarkets and such?
(sorry if some have been asked before, list is way too big to keep track :-[ )
Has the President blocked Congress from having any restrictions on people bringing guns into the Capitol?
Has the President somehow blocked members of Congress from having security/police protection (either individual or in the Capitol)?
Does the president intend for the members of congress to come to harm as a result of the EO?
Quote from: Snarky on Sat 18/11/2017 08:47:22
Has the President blocked Congress from having any restrictions on people bringing guns into the Capitol?
Has the President somehow blocked members of Congress from having security/police protection (either individual or in the Capitol)?
We have a winner!!!
SOLUTION: The President passed an Executive Order that bans all security measures on Capitol Hill (metal-detectors, checkpoints, security guards etc.) and also personal security for members of Congress and for their families and residences. In other words: They now must live with the same danger that 99% of the country lives with. Sweeping gun-control laws are suddenly passed!
All right! That was a tough one!
Quote from: Snarky on Mon 20/11/2017 11:22:23
All right! That was a tough one!
I'm kinda glad it was hardish although I didn't think it would be when I started it... It's hard to anticipate how tough a round will be ahead of time as it can get sidetracked a bit along the way with red-herring-type questions that the GM has to decide to just answer honestly or provide hints to lead players away from that dead-end path...
All very interesting as a game-design study though at the end of the day.
Snarky...Please give us a new one!
I'm really happy you're keeping this game alive, Mandle! Excellent work GM-ing.
I've usually found with my ones that when people get lost it is due to some logical flaw or weakness in the scenario that didn't become obvious until people ask a bunch of questions about it. It would be a good way to test out concepts for an adventure game, if they can be adapted to the format.
I'll try to think of another one.
That was a hard one. It didn't help that for the first half I thought that the gun control law change was the executive order. I didn't realise until Mandle made it clear[er] that the gun control law was a reaction to the EO. Once I realised that the game got more interesting.
Time for a new case?
I have a suitable crime story in mind, if it's ok to burst in.
Oh yeah, sorry for dropping the ball. Go for it!
Quote from: janleht on Mon 27/11/2017 11:43:56
Time for a new case?
I have a suitable crime story in mind, if it's ok to burst in.
Can't wait! It's been so long since I got to play one of these!
Case#53
A man strangled his wife. After an hour he burned a shed down. What happened during that hour?
YES
NO
Was his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Did the man escape conviction of his crime(s)?
No
Was his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the man escape conviction of his crime(s)? (The story doesn't go that far)
Did the man's wife die from the strangulation?
Did the man die in the fire?
Was the fire set to provide the man with some kind of alibi?
Did the man know that he strangled her?
Did he intend to burn the shed?
Has the shed been in possession of one of them?
Was burning the shed part of some sort of funeral ceremony?
Was this a case of euthanasia?
Was the shed empty?
Was he sleeping when he did any of this?
Case#53
A man strangled his wife. After an hour he burned a shed down. What happened during that hour?
YES
Did the man's wife die from the strangulation?
Did the man know that he strangled her?
Did he intend to burn the shed?
NO
Was his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Did the man die in the fire?
Was the fire set to provide the man with some kind of alibi?
Has the shed been in possession of one of them?
Was burning the shed part of some sort of funeral ceremony?
Was this a case of euthanasia?
Was the shed empty?
Was he sleeping when he did any of this?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the man escape conviction of his crime(s)? (The story doesn't go that far)
Was it someone else's shed?
Does it matter what was in the shed?
Did the man commit suicide?
Yes
Was it someone else's shed?
Does it matter what was in the shed?
No
Did the man commit suicide?
Was there someone in the shed?
Was it literally a shed (i.e. Not a doghouse or something else resembling a shed)?
Had the man's wife been unfaithful to him?
Yes
Was it literally a shed (i.e. Not a doghouse or something else resembling a shed)?
No
Was there someone in the shed?
Had the man's wife been unfaithful to him?
Was it a neighbour's shed?
Was there one thing in the shed that he wanted to get rid of?
If so, was the one thing flammable?
Yes
Was there one thing in the shed that he wanted to get rid of?
If so, was the one thing flammable?
No
Was it a neighbour's shed?
Was the one thing especially flammable (e.g: gasoline)?
Was the one thing an object he used to strangle his wife with?
Was the one thing a sum of money?
No
Was the one thing especially flammable (e.g: gasoline)?
Was the one thing an object he used to strangle his wife with?
Was the one thing a sum of money?
Was the one thing a ladder?
Was the one thing a piece of clothing?
Was the one thing a will?
Did he strangle her with a chain?
Did he strangle her with a rope?
Did he strangle her with his bare hands?
Did the man kill his wife out of anger?
Did the man kill his wife for financial gain?
Was the span of time between the murder and the arson exactly one hour?
Was the woman having an affair?
Was the person she was having an affair with in the shed?
Possible solution.
Spoiler
I think she was sleeping with the milkman(or someone) and the husband came home, the milkman ran and hid in the shed, he strangled his wife and then an hour later decided to kill the milkman by setting fire to the shed.
Case#53
A man strangled his wife. After an hour he burned a shed down. What happened during that hour?
YESDid the man's wife die from the strangulation?
Did the man know that he strangled her?
Did he intend to burn the shed?
Was it someone else's shed?
Does it matter what was in the shed?
Was it literally a shed (i.e. Not a doghouse or something else resembling a shed)?
Was there one thing in the shed that he wanted to get rid of?
If so, was the one thing flammable?
Did he strangle her with his bare hands?
Did the man kill his wife out of anger?
NOWas his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Did the man die in the fire?
Was the fire set to provide the man with some kind of alibi?
Has the shed been in possession of one of them?
Was burning the shed part of some sort of funeral ceremony?
Was this a case of euthanasia?
Was the shed empty?
Was he sleeping when he did any of this?
Did the man commit suicide?
Was there someone in the shed?
Had the man's wife been unfaithful to him?
Was it a neighbour's shed?
Was the one thing especially flammable (e.g: gasoline)?
Was the one thing an object he used to strangle his wife with?
Was the one thing a sum of money?
Was the one thing a ladder?
Was the one thing a piece of clothing?
Was the one thing a will?
Did he strangle her with a chain?
Did he strangle her with a rope?
Did the man kill his wife for financial gain?
Was the span of time between the murder and the arson exactly one hour? (
"an hour" is an estimate)
Was the woman having an affair?
Was the person she was having an affair with in the shed?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the man escape conviction of his crime(s)? (
The story doesn't go that far)
Quote from: Stupot on Tue 28/11/2017 07:32:57
Possible solution.
Incorrect
Did the thing in the shed belong to his wife?
Did his wife hide the thing in the shed from him?
Did he kill his wife because of the thing in the shed?
No
Did the thing in the shed belong to his wife?
Did his wife hide the thing in the shed from him?
Did he kill his wife because of the thing in the shed?
Was the thing in the shed a person?
Was the thing in the shed covered in blood?
Did the wife do something to deserve it (in his book)?
Was the thing in the shed evidence that might convict the man of his wife's murder?
Did the man have contact with anyone else during the hour between the murder and the arson?
Was the thing in the shed the reason why the man was angry with his wife?
No
Was the thing in the shed a person?
Was the thing in the shed covered in blood?
Was the thing in the shed evidence that might convict the man of his wife's murder?
Did the man have contact with anyone else during the hour between the murder and the arson?
Was the thing in the shed the reason why the man was angry with his wife?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the wife do something to deserve it (in his book)? (Let's say that the man got sick of many years of nagging and finally flipped out.)
Was the object he wanted to burn already in the shed?
Was it an evil lawn mower? :-D
Did he want to destroy it to keep it from harming others?
Was some sort of insurance scam intended here?
Did the thing belong to him?
Was he annoyed by the thing?
Was the burning of the shed directly related to the murder of his wife?
Was the man suffering from some kind of mental illness?
Did the man plan the murder?
Did the man kill his wife in affect?
Case#53
A man strangled his wife. After an hour he burned a shed down. What happened during that hour?
YES
Did the man's wife die from the strangulation?
Did the man know that he strangled her?
Did he intend to burn the shed?
Was it someone else's shed?
Does it matter what was in the shed?
Was it literally a shed (i.e. Not a doghouse or something else resembling a shed)?
Was there one thing in the shed that he wanted to get rid of?
If so, was the one thing flammable?
Did he strangle her with his bare hands?
Did the man kill his wife out of anger?
Was the object he wanted to burn already in the shed?
NO
Was his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Did the man die in the fire?
Was the fire set to provide the man with some kind of alibi?
Has the shed been in possession of one of them?
Was burning the shed part of some sort of funeral ceremony?
Was this a case of euthanasia?
Was the shed empty?
Was he sleeping when he did any of this?
Did the man commit suicide?
Was there someone in the shed?
Had the man's wife been unfaithful to him?
Was it a neighbour's shed?
Was the one thing especially flammable (e.g: gasoline)?
Was the one thing an object he used to strangle his wife with?
Was the one thing a sum of money?
Was the one thing a ladder?
Was the one thing a piece of clothing?
Was the one thing a will?
Did he strangle her with a chain?
Did he strangle her with a rope?
Did the man kill his wife for financial gain?
Was the span of time between the murder and the arson exactly one hour? ("an hour" is an estimate)
Was the woman having an affair?
Was the person she was having an affair with in the shed?
Did the thing in the shed belong to his wife?
Did his wife hide the thing in the shed from him?
Did he kill his wife because of the thing in the shed?
Was the thing in the shed a person?
Was the thing in the shed covered in blood?
Was the thing in the shed evidence that might convict the man of his wife's murder?
Did the man have contact with anyone else during the hour between the murder and the arson?
Was the thing in the shed the reason why the man was angry with his wife?
Did he want to destroy it to keep it from harming others?
Was some sort of insurance scam intended here?
Did the thing belong to him?
Was he annoyed by the thing?
Was the burning of the shed directly related to the murder of his wife?
Was the man suffering from some kind of mental illness?
Did the man plan the murder?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the man escape conviction of his crime(s)? (The story doesn't go that far)
Did the wife do something to deserve it (in his book)? (Let's say that the man got sick of many years of nagging and finally flipped out.)
???
Did the man kill his wife in affect? (I'm not sure what this means. If it means "was the man manipulated or ordered to kill his wife, then answer is no)
I'm sorry, with "in affect" I meant "was he acting in the heat of the moment".
Was the wife pregnant?
Did the man regret his deed?
Was the shed near the crime scene?
Did the man plan to burn the shed right after the murder?
Yes
Was he acting in the heat of the moment?
Was the shed near the crime scene?
No
Was the wife pregnant?
Did the man regret his deed?
Did the man plan to burn the shed right after the murder?
Is this based on a real-life case?
Is this based on a fictional case from film, literature, or other media?
Did the man need the hour to travel from the scene of the murder to the shed?
No
Is this based on a real-life case?
Is this based on a fictional case from film, literature, or other media? (But it's actually based on a script I wrote years ago, now buried deep in my desk drawer.)
Did the man need the hour to travel from the scene of the murder to the shed?
Was fire the only thing that could reasonably be expected to destroy the object that he wanted to destroy?
Was burning down the shed an act of revenge?
Yes
Was fire the only thing that could reasonably be expected to destroy the object that he wanted to destroy?
No
Was burning down the shed an act of revenge?
Was the thing made of wood?
Was the thing made of paper?
Was the thing made of plastic?
Would the thing fit in a wallet?
Would the thing fit in a backpack?
Would the thing be easy to carry?
Yes
Was the thing made of wood?
No
Was the thing made of paper?
Was the thing made of plastic?
Would the thing fit in a wallet?
Would the thing fit in a backpack?
Would the thing be easy to carry? (At least not as a whole)
Was it some part of the building itself he was trying to destroy?
No
Was it some part of the building itself he was trying to destroy?
Was the object some kind of religious item?
Was the item a coffin?
Was the wooden thing in the shed before he strangled the missus?
Was the woman already dying?
Was he aware that it was his wife he was strangling?
Yes
Was the wooden thing in the shed before he strangled the missus?
Was he aware that it was his wife he was strangling?
No
Was the object some kind of religious item?
Was the item a coffin?
Was the woman already dying?
Is the wooden object rectangular?
Is the wooden object some kind of decoration?
Is the wooden object a piece of furniture?
Case#53
A man strangled his wife. After an hour he burned a shed down. What happened during that hour?
YES
Did the man's wife die from the strangulation?
Did the man know that he strangled her?
Did he intend to burn the shed?
Was it someone else's shed?
Does it matter what was in the shed?
Was it literally a shed (i.e. Not a doghouse or something else resembling a shed)?
Was there one thing in the shed that he wanted to get rid of?
If so, was the one thing flammable?
Did he strangle her with his bare hands?
Did the man kill his wife out of anger?
Was the object he wanted to burn already in the shed?
Was he acting in the heat of the moment?
Was the shed near the crime scene?
Was fire the only thing that could reasonably be expected to destroy the object that he wanted to destroy?
Was the thing made of wood?
Was the wooden thing in the shed before he strangled the missus?
Was he aware that it was his wife he was strangling?
NO
Was his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Did the man die in the fire?
Was the fire set to provide the man with some kind of alibi?
Has the shed been in possession of one of them?
Was burning the shed part of some sort of funeral ceremony?
Was this a case of euthanasia?
Was the shed empty?
Was he sleeping when he did any of this?
Did the man commit suicide?
Was there someone in the shed?
Had the man's wife been unfaithful to him?
Was it a neighbour's shed?
Was the one thing especially flammable (e.g: gasoline)?
Was the one thing an object he used to strangle his wife with?
Was the one thing a sum of money?
Was the one thing a ladder?
Was the one thing a piece of clothing?
Was the one thing a will?
Did he strangle her with a chain?
Did he strangle her with a rope?
Did the man kill his wife for financial gain?
Was the span of time between the murder and the arson exactly one hour? ("an hour" is an estimate)
Was the woman having an affair?
Was the person she was having an affair with in the shed?
Did the thing in the shed belong to his wife?
Did his wife hide the thing in the shed from him?
Did he kill his wife because of the thing in the shed?
Was the thing in the shed a person?
Was the thing in the shed covered in blood?
Was the thing in the shed evidence that might convict the man of his wife's murder?
Did the man have contact with anyone else during the hour between the murder and the arson?
Was the thing in the shed the reason why the man was angry with his wife?
Did he want to destroy it to keep it from harming others?
Was some sort of insurance scam intended here?
Did the thing belong to him?
Was he annoyed by the thing?
Was the burning of the shed directly related to the murder of his wife?
Was the man suffering from some kind of mental illness?
Did the man plan the murder?
Was the wife pregnant?
Did the man regret his deed?
Did the man plan to burn the shed right after the murder? (Not RIGHT after)
Is this based on a real-life case?
Is this based on a fictional case from film, literature, or other media? (But it's actually based on a script I wrote years ago, now buried deep in my desk drawer.)
Did the man need the hour to travel from the scene of the murder to the shed?
Was burning down the shed an act of revenge?
Was the thing made of paper?
Was the thing made of plastic?
Would the thing fit in a wallet?
Would the thing fit in a backpack?
Would the thing be easy to carry? (At least not as a whole)
Was it some part of the building itself he was trying to destroy?
Was the object some kind of religious item?
Was the item a coffin?
Was the woman already dying?
Is the wooden object rectangular?
Is the wooden object some kind of decoration?
Is the wooden object a piece of furniture?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the man escape conviction of his crime(s)? (The story doesn't go that far)
Did the wife do something to deserve it (in his book)? (Let's say that the man got sick of many years of nagging and finally flipped out.)
I added a comment on one of the No-questions.
Was it the box itself that he wanted to destroy?
Or was it something inside the box that he wanted to destroy?
No
Was it the box itself that he wanted to destroy? (Box?)
Or was it something inside the box that he wanted to destroy?
Did the man plan to burn the wooden thing as a result of killing his wife?
Was the shed locked so he burned it instead of the wooden thing alone?
Did the wooden thing belong to somebody he knew?
Did he think the wooden thing was dangerous?
Yes
Did the man plan to burn the wooden thing as a result of killing his wife?
Did the wooden thing belong to somebody he knew? (At least he knew who owned it.)
Did he think the wooden thing was dangerous? (Well... not the thing itself, but not destroying it would been a serious threat to him)
No
Was the shed locked so he burned it instead of the wooden thing alone?
Was the wooden thing a statue or carving?
Does this case involve the supernatural?
Did the man burn the wooden thing to cover his crime?
Would the man have burned down the shed anyway, even if he didn't kill his wife before?
Did the man fear for his life and therefore wanted to burn the wooden thing?
Was the wooden thing in any way related to his wife?
Is it important who owned the wooden thing?
Was the shed not his own shed?
Did he have to travel for an hour to the location of the shed?
Was the wooden thing a Ouija board?
Did he bury his wife's body before burning down the shed?
Did he go into the shed at any time after the murder?
Was the shed locked?
Yes
Did the man burn the wooden thing to cover his crime?
Is it important who owned the wooden thing? (It might help to solve the case.)
Was the shed not his own shed? (It was NOT his shed, to be clear.)
Did he bury his wife's body before burning down the shed?
Did he go into the shed at any time after the murder?
No
Was the wooden thing a statue or carving?
Does this case involve the supernatural?
Would the man have burned down the shed anyway, even if he didn't kill his wife before?
Did the man fear for his life and therefore wanted to burn the wooden thing?
Was the wooden thing in any way related to his wife?
Did he have to travel for an hour to the location of the shed?
Was the wooden thing a Ouija board?
Was the shed locked?
Did his wife know the owner of the wooden thing?
Was the owner of the wooden thing also the owner of the shed?
Was the owner some sort of friend or relative to the man or the woman?
Did the man know the wooden thing was in the shed, even before he entered it?
Did the man burn the shed because it would have been too suspicious if he only burned the wooden thing?
Did the owner of the wooden thing place it in the shed?
Yes
Did his wife know the owner of the wooden thing? (But not very well.)
Was the owner of the wooden thing also the owner of the shed?
Did the man know the wooden thing was in the shed, even before he entered it?
Did the owner of the wooden thing place it in the shed?
No
Was the owner some sort of friend or relative to the man or the woman?
Did the man burn the shed because it would have been too suspicious if he only burned the wooden thing?
Was the wooden thing a boat?
Was the wooden thing a raft?
Did the man use the wooden thing to get away?
No
Was the wooden thing a boat?
Was the wooden thing a raft?
Did the man use the wooden thing to get away?
Did the man find out about the wooden thing from his wife?
Did the existence of the wooden thing prompt him to strangle his wife?
Was the wooden thing a container?
Was the wooden thing a block/stack of wood?
Yes
Was the wooden thing a block/stack of wood?
No
Did the man find out about the wooden thing from his wife?
Did the existence of the wooden thing prompt him to strangle his wife?
Was the wooden thing a container?
Was the wooden thing a single block of wood?
Was the wooden thing a stack of wood?
Was the wood finished (as opposed to rough)?
Yes
Was the wooden thing a stack of wood?
No
Was the wooden thing a single block of wood?
Was the wood finished (as opposed to rough)? (Just sawing and splitting done to it.)
Did the wife made a note or leave some other evidence on the wood?
Solution: The wife made a note or left some other evidence on the wood, that could be incriminating for the husband, has then been killed and while the husband buried her in the woods the shed owner lumbered the wood and put it into his shed. Then the husband went to the shed and set it on fire to destroy the last evidence.
NoDid the wife made a note or leave some other evidence on the wood?
Quote from: Kumpel on Wed 29/11/2017 19:45:16
Solution:
That's not it.
Potential Solution:
The stack of wood had been a tree that was somehow special to the man. Maybe his grandfather had planted it or something like that. By accident, or maybe out of spite, his wife had given permission to a neighbor to chop the tree into firewood. When the man found out he killed his wife and then burned down the shed the firewood was in to destroy the evidence that linked him to his wife's murder. I guess he had to burn down the entire shed because it was locked?
Was his wife an Ent?
Case#53
A man strangled his wife. After an hour he burned a shed down. What happened during that hour?
YESDid the man's wife die from the strangulation?
Did the man know that he strangled her?
Did he intend to burn the shed?
Was it someone else's shed?
Does it matter what was in the shed?
Was it literally a shed (i.e. Not a doghouse or something else resembling a shed)?
Was there one thing in the shed that he wanted to get rid of?
If so, was the one thing flammable?
Did he strangle her with his bare hands?
Did the man kill his wife out of anger?
Was the object he wanted to burn already in the shed?
Was he acting in the heat of the moment?
Was the shed near the crime scene?
Was fire the only thing that could reasonably be expected to destroy the object that he wanted to destroy?
Was the thing made of wood?
Was the wooden thing in the shed before he strangled the missus?
Was he aware that it was his wife he was strangling?
Did the man plan to burn the wooden thing as a result of killing his wife?
Did the wooden thing belong to somebody he knew? (
At least he knew who owned it.)
Did he think the wooden thing was dangerous? (
Well... not the thing itself, but not destroying it would been a serious threat to him)
Did the man burn the wooden thing to cover his crime?
Is it important who owned the wooden thing? (
It might help to solve the case.)
Was the shed not his own shed? (
It was NOT his shed, to be clear.)
Did he bury his wife's body before burning down the shed?
Did he go into the shed at any time after the murder?
Did his wife know the owner of the wooden thing? (
But not very well.)
Was the owner of the wooden thing also the owner of the shed?
Did the man know the wooden thing was in the shed, even before he entered it?
Did the owner of the wooden thing place it in the shed?
Was the wooden thing a block/stack of wood?
Was the wooden thing a stack of wood?
NOWas his wife's body inside the shed?
Did the shed contain evidence that might convict him of a crime?
Did the man die in the fire?
Was the fire set to provide the man with some kind of alibi?
Has the shed been in possession of one of them?
Was burning the shed part of some sort of funeral ceremony?
Was this a case of euthanasia?
Was the shed empty?
Was he sleeping when he did any of this?
Did the man commit suicide?
Was there someone in the shed?
Had the man's wife been unfaithful to him?
Was it a neighbour's shed?
Was the one thing especially flammable (e.g: gasoline)?
Was the one thing an object he used to strangle his wife with?
Was the one thing a sum of money?
Was the one thing a ladder?
Was the one thing a piece of clothing?
Was the one thing a will?
Did he strangle her with a chain?
Did he strangle her with a rope?
Did the man kill his wife for financial gain?
Was the span of time between the murder and the arson exactly one hour? (
"an hour" is an estimate)
Was the woman having an affair?
Was the person she was having an affair with in the shed?
Did the thing in the shed belong to his wife?
Did his wife hide the thing in the shed from him?
Did he kill his wife because of the thing in the shed?
Was the thing in the shed a person?
Was the thing in the shed covered in blood?
Was the thing in the shed evidence that might convict the man of his wife's murder?
Did the man have contact with anyone else during the hour between the murder and the arson?
Was the thing in the shed the reason why the man was angry with his wife?
Did he want to destroy it to keep it from harming others?
Was some sort of insurance scam intended here?
Did the thing belong to him?
Was he annoyed by the thing?
Was the burning of the shed directly related to the murder of his wife?
Was the man suffering from some kind of mental illness?
Did the man plan the murder?
Was the wife pregnant?
Did the man regret his deed?
Did the man plan to burn the shed right after the murder? (
Not RIGHT after)
Is this based on a real-life case?
Is this based on a fictional case from film, literature, or other media? (
But it's actually based on a script I wrote years ago, now buried deep in my desk drawer.)
Did the man need the hour to travel from the scene of the murder to the shed?
Was burning down the shed an act of revenge?
Was the thing made of paper?
Was the thing made of plastic?
Would the thing fit in a wallet?
Would the thing fit in a backpack?
Would the thing be easy to carry? (
At least not as a whole)
Was it some part of the building itself he was trying to destroy?
Was the object some kind of religious item?
Was the item a coffin?
Was the woman already dying?
Is the wooden object rectangular?
Is the wooden object some kind of decoration?
Is the wooden object a piece of furniture?
Was it the box itself that he wanted to destroy? (Box?)
Or was it something inside the box that he wanted to destroy?
Was the shed locked so he burned it instead of the wooden thing alone?
Was the wooden thing a statue or carving?
Does this case involve the supernatural?
Would the man have burned down the shed anyway, even if he didn't kill his wife before?
Did the man fear for his life and therefore wanted to burn the wooden thing?
Was the wooden thing in any way related to his wife?
Did he have to travel for an hour to the location of the shed?
Was the wooden thing a Ouija board?
Was the shed locked?
Was the owner some sort of friend or relative to the man or the woman?
Did the man burn the shed because it would have been too suspicious if he only burned the wooden thing?
Was the wooden thing a boat?
Was the wooden thing a raft?
Did the man use the wooden thing to get away?
Did the man find out about the wooden thing from his wife?
Did the existence of the wooden thing prompt him to strangle his wife?
Was the wooden thing a container?
Was the wooden thing a single block of wood?
Was the wood finished (as opposed to rough)? (
Just sawing and splitting done to it.)
Did the wife made a note or leave some other evidence on the wood?
Was his wife an Ent?
Unknown/IrrelevantDid the man escape conviction of his crime(s)? (
The story doesn't go that far)
Did the wife do something to deserve it (in his book)? (
Let's say that the man got sick of many years of nagging and finally flipped out.)
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 29/11/2017 22:34:52
Potential Solution:
Incorrect.
Did the wood belong to the man and/or his wife before the new owner received it?
Did the new owner receive the wood from the man and/or his wife?
Did the new owner saw and split the wood himself?
Did the man and/or his wife saw and split the wood?
Was it a special or rare kind of wood?
Was the wood supposed to be used for a fire?
Was the wood supposed to be used to build something?
Yes
Was the wood supposed to be used for a fire?
No
Did the wood belong to the man and/or his wife before the new owner received it?
Did the new owner receive the wood from the man and/or his wife?
Did the man and/or his wife saw and split the wood?
Was it a special or rare kind of wood?
Was the wood supposed to be used to build something?
Unknown/Irrelevant
Did the new owner saw and split the wood himself?
Did the owner of the wood plan to make a fire near the place where the man buried his wife, so that the man's wife could have been found?
Yes
Did the owner of the wood plan to make a fire near the place where the man buried his wife, so that the man's wife could have been found?
(I assume that the word "bury" can be used as a synonym for the word "hide")
Possible solution:
After the man killed his wife in the heat of the moment, he hid her body somewhere.
Then he remembered or learned that there was some kind of event with a big fire planned near the place where he hid her.
He found out where the wood for this fire was stored and then burned the shed to prevent the event from happening.
Quote from: The Last To Know on Thu 30/11/2017 12:09:57
Possible solution:
After the man killed his wife in the heat of the moment, he hid her body somewhere.
Then he remembered or learned that there was some kind of event with a big fire planned near the place where he hid her.
He found out where the wood for this fire was stored and then burned the shed to prevent the event from happening.
That's not it. The place where the body is hidden is the final piece to the puzzle.
Did he hide her body in a building?
Did he hide her body in the woods?
Did he hide her body under the open sky?
Did he burn her body?
Did he bury her in the ground?
Did he cut her body into pieces?
Yes
Did he hide her body in a building?
No
Did he hide her body in the woods?
Did he hide her body under the open sky?
Did he burn her body?
Did he bury her in the ground?
Did he cut her body into pieces?
Did he hide his wife's body in a chimney?
Did he hide his wife's body in a furnace?
Did he hide his wife's body in an oven?
Did he hide his wife's body in a chimney? Yes
I consider the case solved!
Well done The Last To Know for leading the way, and Mandle for the final strike.
Here's the whole story:
Solution Case#53
A man and his wife went on holiday. They booked a room from an old house turned into hostel, on a small island. In their room they have a fight and the man strangles his wife in anger. The room is an attic room and there's direct access through the window onto the roof. Man drags the body on the roof and drops it down into the chimney. It's a stormy night and all elecricity is down. Man realizes that the electric heating of the hostel wont work and the staff will probably set fire into the fireplace... and when the chimney hatch is opend, the body might drop down to everyone's sight. Man decides to burn the shed where all the fire wood is kept and hopes he can escape from the island before his wife's body will be found.
Thanks to all the players! :-D
I think my head just exploded.
Whhhaaaaat? We could have done some more guessing.
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 30/11/2017 13:57:01
I think my head just exploded.
(laugh)
Well done to The Last To Know and Mandle. Some good guesses, there. ;-D
Nice mystery, janleht!
Quote from: Stupot on Thu 30/11/2017 14:04:30
Whhhaaaaat? We could have done some more guessing.
Yeah maybe, but we pretty much had all the pieces. I think we'd either have got it straight away, or just fumbled a bit putting them together. It was basically solved.
Quote from: Stupot on Thu 30/11/2017 14:04:30
Whhhaaaaat? We could have done some more guessing.
Well... You had a chance to ask about the location or the body of the murder, but decided to focus on the shed.
I'll call this case "
The secret of the wooden thing". (laugh)
Quote from: Snarky on Thu 30/11/2017 14:14:18
It was basically solved.
Indeed.
We knew the man had burned the firewood to prevent his wife's body being discovered somewhere where the fire would be otherwise lit which was the vital point of the mystery.
Everything else is window-dressing unless you are reading the story/ watching the play.
For the sake of a riddle it was solved.
Thanks for the awesome round, janleht!!!
You forgot to mention that the man was a slow moving psychopath. :-D
(What's with the hour, and the lack of regret?)
Quote from: Kweepa on Thu 30/11/2017 15:40:58
You forgot to mention that the man was a slow moving psychopath. :-D
(What's with the hour, and the lack of regret?)
It's a lot of work to drag a dead body around. The TV shows make it look easy but it's not like just pouring a drunk friend into the seat of your car to take them home. There is no cooperation at all and the human body has feet that get stuck around door frames and table legs and...Actually nevermind all that... What was the second bit again?
Quote from: Kweepa on Thu 30/11/2017 15:40:58
You forgot to mention that the man was a slow moving psychopath. :-D
(What's with the hour, and the lack of regret?)
Maybe he just waited the right moment, when there was nobody on the yard.
Well... you have a point on "lack of regret". Let's say the man was in panic and couldn't think anything else than getting out from the island free. (roll)
Nice riddle, janleht!
Was fun to solve.
And nice work Mandle for coming up with the chimney idea.
Case#54: A Very Silly Riddle
A man was imprisoned in a tiny concrete cubicle deep underground. Inside the cubicle were only a chair and a saw. The man used both in a very silly, and potentially rage-quitting manner for the participants of this riddle, to escape.
What was it that he did?
YES
NO
Did he combine them anagramattically?
Did he cut the chair into tiny pieces?
Did he saw off his own foot?
Was there an opening in the cubicle?
I happen to know this. Or an even sillier version perhaps. It was my favourite page from an old joke book I had as a kid. I'll PM you.
The man 'saw' an exit and propped it open with the chair?
Case#54: A Very Silly Riddle
A man was imprisoned in a tiny concrete cubicle deep underground. Inside the cubicle were only a chair and a saw. The man used both in a very silly, and potentially rage-quitting manner for the participants of this riddle, to escape.
What was it that he did?
YES
NO
Did he combine them anagramattically?
Did he cut the chair into tiny pieces?
Did he saw off his own foot?
Was there an opening in the cubicle? (Sorry, I forgot to mention that the concrete cubicle was entirely soid and without any exits)
The man 'saw' an exit and propped it open with the chair? (No, but the word-play to find the solution is on track)
Quote from: Stupot on Tue 12/12/2017 21:43:52
I happen to know this. Or an even sillier version perhaps. It was my favourite page from an old joke book I had as a kid. I'll PM you.
Hahaha I never knew this riddle was a real thing. I thought my mate in school had made it up.
He only knew the middle part though it seems. I think maybe once our solvers have escaped the chamber you might be able to run a Part Two round where they have to figure out how to escape from the middle of nowhere...
OK, let's do some clarification:
Does the chair exist as an object inside the cubicle?
Does the saw exist as an object inside the cubicle?
Does the word 'saw' relate to the man seeing something?
Since the cubicle is perfectly solid and without any exits, he can't really see anything, as there's apparently no light source either... (laugh)
It reminds me not just on the chain-saw movies but also an AGS-game I played.
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/140718/zyjips3x.gif) Sooo ...
Is the imprisoned man a character in an computer game?
Is the imprisoned man a character in a movie?
Is the imprisoned man a character from literature?
Case#54: A Very Silly Riddle
A man was imprisoned in a tiny concrete cubicle deep underground. Inside the cubicle were only a chair and a saw. The man used both in a very silly, and potentially rage-quitting manner for the participants of this riddle, to escape.
What was it that he did?
YES
Does the chair exist as an object inside the cubicle?
Does the saw exist as an object inside the cubicle?
Is the imprisoned man a character from literature? (Well, he is at least a character from a riddle book Stupot had as a kid so yes!!!)
NO
Did he combine them anagramattically?
Did he cut the chair into tiny pieces?
Did he saw off his own foot?
Was there an opening in the cubicle? (Sorry, I forgot to mention that the concrete cubicle was entirely soid and without any exits)
The man 'saw' an exit and propped it open with the chair? (No, but the word-play to find the solution is on track)
Does the word 'saw' relate to the man seeing something? (No, but I have received a PM from dayowlron who knew the riddle where that word-play was actually a thing: In that riddle it was a table and a mirror. They "saw" themself in the mirror and that's how they got the saw. In another version (Stupot's) there was only a chair. They rubbed their hands together until they were "sore" and that's how they got the saw. Yeah, it's pretty much that level of wordplay to get the solution... (laugh) )
Is the imprisoned man a character in an computer game?
Is the imprisoned man a character in a movie?
He saw off the ch and reached the "air"?
Quote from: Kumpel on Fri 15/12/2017 00:02:21
He saw off the ch and reached the "air"?
NICE!!! But no. It's not a word-play of cutting words in half although that's a nice potential riddle in itself...
Tabata actually solved this in PM as a non-native english speaker who had never heard the riddle before but doesn't want to spoil the fun by just coming right out and solving it.
So I would probably award her the win and ask that if anyone else figured it out without having previous knowledge of the riddle then to just solve it here in the thread for a co-win...
Did he cut something with the saw?
Did he cut the chair with the saw?
Did he sit in the chair?
Case#54: A Very Silly Riddle
A man was imprisoned in a tiny concrete cubicle deep underground. Inside the cubicle were only a chair and a saw. The man used both in a very silly, and potentially rage-quitting manner for the participants of this riddle, to escape.
What was it that he did?
YES
Does the chair exist as an object inside the cubicle?
Does the saw exist as an object inside the cubicle?
Is the imprisoned man a character from literature? (Well, he is at least a character from a riddle book Stupot had as a kid so yes!!!)
Did he cut something with the saw?
Did he cut the chair with the saw?
NO
Did he combine them anagramattically?
Did he cut the chair into tiny pieces?
Did he saw off his own foot?
Was there an opening in the cubicle? (Sorry, I forgot to mention that the concrete cubicle was entirely soid and without any exits)
The man 'saw' an exit and propped it open with the chair? (No, but the word-play to find the solution is on track)
Does the word 'saw' relate to the man seeing something? (No, but I have received a PM from dayowlron who knew the riddle where that word-play was actually a thing: In that riddle it was a table and a mirror. They "saw" themself in the mirror and that's how they got the saw. In another version (Stupot's) there was only a chair. They rubbed their hands together until they were "sore" and that's how they got the saw. Yeah, it's pretty much that level of wordplay to get the solution... (laugh) )
Is the imprisoned man a character in an computer game?
Is the imprisoned man a character in a movie?
Did he sit in the chair?
Did he cut the legs off the chair?
Did he cut the back off the chair?
Did he cut the seat off the chair?
He cut the chair into rungs, made a ladder and climbed out? (The description doesn't say that the cubicle was enclosed.)
I have to leave from Australia tomorrow morning and I don't want to leave this riddle hanging for a month and also several people have solved in PM to me...
Probably the best solve was Tabata as she solved it for real without previous knowledge and also in english which is not her native language so I will award her the win and post the solution below hidden:
Spoiler
He sawed the chair in half, then put the halves back together to make a whole, and then crawled out through the hole.
Maybe Stupot can launch a Part 2 where players must figure out how our hero got back to civilization after escaping his prison and finding himself stranded out in the middle of nowhere...
Seeya's all again in January sometime!
Thanks Mandle. I'll take part 2 then :-)
Bear in mind this is also a very silly solution.
So our hero has escaped from the cell only to find himself in the middle of a desert. How does he manage to get back to civilization?
YES
NO
does he need any equipment other than the clothes on his back to get to civilization?
Does he inflate that tiny question mark into a hot air balloon?
Thanks Mandle. I'll take part 2 then :-)
Bear in mind this is also a very silly solution.
So our hero has escaped from the cell only to find himself in the middle of a desert. How does he manage to get back to civilization?
YES
NO
Does he need any equipment other than the clothes on his back to get to civilization?
Does he inflate that tiny question mark into a hot air balloon?
He adds an "S" to the desert and eats his way through the dessert? :grin:
Does he ride the "bear in mind" back to civilization?
I just know it in case it is ... hmm ...
Is he in the desert you can see on the box of Camel cigarettes? :grin:
Does he catch his train of thought to the nearest city?
How about if he was in the middle of the desert he just walked a little ways then he was no longer in the middle of the desert so he was back to civilization?
These answers are all terrible. And by that token they are just as valid as the real answer. Keep thinking along those lines.
But as a little hint, he does have to do something.
So our hero has escaped from the cell only to find himself in the middle of a desert. How does he manage to get back to civilization?
YES
NO
Does he need any equipment other than the clothes on his back to get to civilization?
Does he inflate that tiny question mark into a hot air balloon?
He adds an "S" to the desert and eats his way through the dessert?
Does he ride the "bear in mind" back to civilization?
Is he in the desert you can see on the box of Camel cigarettes?
Does he catch his train of thought to the nearest city?
How about if he was in the middle of the desert he just walked a little ways then he was no longer in the middle of the desert so he was back to civilization?
There's a computer in the middle of the desert (solar powered) and he boots up Sid Meiers' classic game! :grin:
Does he walk backwards until he reaches civilization?
Is he on a movie set?
He wakes up? (Oh no, the old "it was only a dream" trick! :shocked:)
He stands up and walks out? (laugh)
Asked a friend, he gave me a possible solution and I think it fits very well.
Spoiler
he screams until he becomes hoarse then he rides the horse back to civilization.
Quote from: dayowlron on Fri 22/12/2017 15:10:26
Asked a friend, he gave me a possible solution and I think it fits very well.
Spoiler
he screams until he becomes hoarse then he rides the horse back to civilization.
We have a winner! Dayowlron, well done. Your friend probably had the same jokebook I had as a kid :-)
cool, If I don't come up with something by tonight I will open it up to anyone.
Don't know if the extension was a new case or not but I am considering it as a second part of the previous case so this would be case #55.
this one should be pretty easy.
Case 55: Acting on an anonymous phone call, the police raid a house to arrest a suspected murderer. They don't know what he looks like but they know his name is John and that he is inside the house. The police bust in on a carpenter, a truck driver, a mechanic and a fireman all playing poker. Without hesitation or communication of any kind, they immediately arrest the fireman. How do they know they've got their man?
YES
NO
Does he have a name tag on his jacket?
Can they see blood on his cloths?
Did the anonymous tipper give any other information?
Was the anonymous tipper one of the other three poker players?
We're the other three poker players undercover cops?
Were the other three female?
Were the other three canine?
Were the other 3 the murder victims? 8-0
Quote from: Kweepa on Sun 24/12/2017 11:18:34
Were the other three female?
I think you've got it.
I don't know... dayowlron wrote "carpenter", not "carpentress"...
Quote from: Kweepa on Sun 24/12/2017 11:18:34
Were the other three female?
That is correct. Your turn Kweepa
I don't have a case ready... sorry about that!
If anyone else wants to go ahead, please do!
I will then:
Case#56: The Unwelcome Detective
3:35 PM:
As you enter the room, the scene of the crime, the policemen scowl but back away and allow you access.
The deceased lies on the floor. He has been beaten to death it seems: He has massive bruising to his head and upper body.
Looking around the room you take in the mess that seems to have happened during the struggle, illuminated by the afternoon sunlight shafting in through the large uncurtained windows of the apartment:
The TV screen has been smashed.
The coffee table has been overturned and one of its legs has broken off.
A potted plant lies on its side on the floor.
A lamp has been knocked over and the bulb is broken.
A painting has fallen from the wall and lies face-down on the floor.
The sofa has been knocked out of position as evidenced by the dents in the carpet its legs left behind.
The bookcase has fallen, spilling books across the floor.
The police coroner tells you that the victim died about 10 hours ago.
You immediately tell the police inspector in charge that this is not the scene of the murder.
How did you know?
You may now investigate anything mentioned in the above description of the crime scene and more detailed information will be provided.
An example post: "Is the plant's pot cracked or otherwise broken?"
To which the answer would be: "No"
Up to five questions per person per post will be answered.
The game is afoot!
And once again our good pal remandles this thread! AWESOME! :=
Are there any traces of blood in the room?
Did the victim bleed as he died? (Is this question allowed? I guess it is because the coroner could tell you that)
Does the victim have any extraordinary body features? (fat, huge, etc)?
Was the knocked over lamp only lamp in the room?
Was the TV turned on?
Was the soil in the pot moist?
Was the detective killer?
Is the broken leg to the coffee table missing?
Could it have been used as the weapon?
Yes
Was the soil in the pot moist?
No
Was the detective killer?
To avoid wild goose chases I'm just going to move any questions that would have no bearing on the solution to a list called:
Irrelevant
Are there any traces of blood in the room?
Did the victim bleed as he died?
Does the victim have any extraordinary body features? (fat, huge, etc)?
Was the knocked over lamp only lamp in the room?
Was the TV turned on?
Is the broken leg to the coffee table missing?
Could it have been used as the weapon?
Had there been an earthquake 10 hours prior?
Was the man known to the detective?
Were the curtains anywhere to be seen?
Was he the only victim in the property?
Was he clothed?
Was there mud from the pot on the victim?
Was the soil in the pot on the floor?
Did the detective expect soil to be dry?
Yes
Was the soil in the pot moist?
Was he the only victim in the property?
Was the soil in the pot on the floor? (Some spilled on the floor, yes)
No
Was the detective killer?
Was the man known to the detective?
Was there mud from the pot on the victim?
To avoid wild goose chases I'm just going to move any questions that would have no bearing on the solution to a list called:
Irrelevant
Are there any traces of blood in the room?
Did the victim bleed as he died?
Does the victim have any extraordinary body features? (fat, huge, etc)?
Was the knocked over lamp only lamp in the room?
Was the TV turned on?
Is the broken leg to the coffee table missing?
Could it have been used as the weapon?
Had there been an earthquake 10 hours prior?
Were the curtains anywhere to be seen?
Was he clothed?
Did the detective expect soil to be dry?
Did the detective think that was not the scene of the crime because there was not any soil on the victim from the overturned pot?
Are there any footprints in the soil?
Is there a clock in the room?
Is there a safe in the wall where the painting fell from?
Case#56: The Unwelcome Detective
3:35 PM:
As you enter the room, the scene of the crime, the policemen scowl but back away and allow you access.
The deceased lies on the floor. He has been beaten to death it seems: He has massive bruising to his head and upper body.
Looking around the room you take in the mess that seems to have happened during the struggle, illuminated by the afternoon sunlight shafting in through the large uncurtained windows of the apartment:
The TV screen has been smashed.
The coffee table has been overturned and one of its legs has broken off.
A potted plant lies on its side on the floor.
A lamp has been knocked over and the bulb is broken.
A painting has fallen from the wall and lies face-down on the floor.
The sofa has been knocked out of position as evidenced by the dents in the carpet its legs left behind.
The bookcase has fallen, spilling books across the floor.
The police coroner tells you that the victim died about 10 hours ago.
You immediately tell the police inspector in charge that this is not the scene of the murder.
How did you know?
You may now investigate anything mentioned in the above description of the crime scene and more detailed information will be provided.
An example post: "Is the plant's pot cracked or otherwise broken?"
To which the answer would be: "No"
Up to five questions per person per post will be answered.
The game is afoot!
Yes
Was the soil in the pot moist?
Was he the only victim in the property?
Was the soil in the pot on the floor? (Some spilled on the floor, yes)
No
Was the detective killer?
Was the man known to the detective?
Was there mud from the pot on the victim?
Did the detective think that was not the scene of the crime because there was not any soil on the victim from the overturned pot?
Are there any footprints in the soil?
To avoid wild goose chases I'm just going to move any questions that would have no bearing on the solution to a list called:
Irrelevant
Are there any traces of blood in the room?
Did the victim bleed as he died?
Does the victim have any extraordinary body features? (fat, huge, etc)?
Was the knocked over lamp only lamp in the room?
Was the TV turned on?
Is the broken leg to the coffee table missing?
Could it have been used as the weapon?
Had there been an earthquake 10 hours prior?
Were the curtains anywhere to be seen?
Was he clothed?
Did the detective expect soil to be dry?
Is there a clock in the room?
Is there a safe in the wall where the painting fell from?
Was the plant itself still in the pot?
Does the plant have flowers?
Was the lamp switched on?
I would guess that the primary clues were the fact that it is afternoon now and he has been dead for about 10 hours would mean that it was either dark when he died or the lamp was on so the question asked by Riase about the lamp could be a good clue, but....
Is there any neon signs that could have lit up the room?
However Just because it was dark wouldnt mean the murder did not happen there.
is the painting torn?
Yes
Was the soil in the pot moist?
Was he the only victim in the property?
Was the soil in the pot on the floor? (Some spilled on the floor, yes)
Was the plant itself still in the pot?
Does the plant have flowers? (It is a sunflower, yes)
No
Was the detective killer?
Was the man known to the detective?
Was there mud from the pot on the victim?
Did the detective think that was not the scene of the crime because there was not any soil on the victim from the overturned pot?
Are there any footprints in the soil?
To avoid wild goose chases I'm just going to move any questions that would have no bearing on the solution to a list called:
Irrelevant
Are there any traces of blood in the room?
Did the victim bleed as he died?
Does the victim have any extraordinary body features? (fat, huge, etc)?
Was the knocked over lamp only lamp in the room?
Was the TV turned on?
Is the broken leg to the coffee table missing?
Could it have been used as the weapon?
Had there been an earthquake 10 hours prior?
Were the curtains anywhere to be seen?
Was he clothed?
Did the detective expect soil to be dry?
Is there a clock in the room?
Is there a safe in the wall where the painting fell from?
Was the lamp switched on?
Is there any neon signs that could have lit up the room?
is the painting torn?
Did the victim really die around 5:30 AM?
Did the victim wear sleeping clothes?
Did somebody water the plant after the murder took place? (if that's true, then I'm guessing the detective somehow knew that, and then figured out the murderer dragged the victim after the plant watering, otherwise the person who came to water the plant would have seen the body and called earlier).
If not, then some more questions:
Was there something in the pot that shouldn't have been there?
Did the detective have knowledge about sunflowers and how to care for them?
Was there more than one murderer?
Is the scene the victim's apartment?
I think there's a relationship between the sunflower and the fact that the windows are curtainless.
Was the sunflower open?
Was the sunflower closed?
We're there any sunflower seeds in the crime scene?
Was the plant pot upended with the soil only just spilling out onto the floor (suggesting it was placed there gently rather than knocked over in a struggle)?
Are ‘we' actually a detective?
Yes
Was the soil in the pot moist?
Was he the only victim in the property?
Was the soil in the pot on the floor? (Some spilled on the floor, yes)
Was the plant itself still in the pot?
Does the plant have flowers? (It is a sunflower, yes)
Did the victim really die around 5:30 AM? (Sometime around dawn anyway according to the coroner)
Did the detective have knowledge about sunflowers?
Is the scene the victim's apartment?
Was the sunflower open?
Are ‘we' actually a detective? (Yes, but like a fiction "detective" who just sticks their nose in and gets away with it. Not a police detective)
No
Was the detective killer?
Was the man known to the detective?
Was there mud from the pot on the victim?
Did the detective think that was not the scene of the crime because there was not any soil on the victim from the overturned pot?
Are there any footprints in the soil?
Was there something in the pot that shouldn't have been there?
Was the plant pot upended with the soil only just spilling out onto the floor (suggesting it was placed there gently rather than knocked over in a struggle)? (No, it looks pretty natural)
Did somebody water the plant after the murder took place?
To avoid wild goose chases I'm just going to move any questions that would have no bearing on the solution to a list called:
Irrelevant
Are there any traces of blood in the room?
Did the victim bleed as he died?
Does the victim have any extraordinary body features? (fat, huge, etc)?
Was the knocked over lamp only lamp in the room?
Was the TV turned on?
Is the broken leg to the coffee table missing?
Could it have been used as the weapon?
Had there been an earthquake 10 hours prior?
Were the curtains anywhere to be seen?
Was he clothed?
Did the detective expect soil to be dry?
Is there a clock in the room?
Is there a safe in the wall where the painting fell from?
Was the lamp switched on?
Is there any neon signs that could have lit up the room?
is the painting torn?
Did the victim wear sleeping clothes?
Was there more than one murderer?
Were there any sunflower seeds in the crime scene? (Probably Mulder wasn't the killer)
Despite being on the floor, was the sunflower in the daylight when the detective saw it?
Quote from: Stupot on Sun 21/01/2018 04:30:53
Despite being on the floor, was the sunflower in the daylight when the detective saw it?
Yes!!! Very much so!!!
Was the victim's body in the sunlight?
Was the victim sunburnt?
Guess
I think maybe it was a hot sunny day so you'd expect someone who's been in the sun for ten hours to be heavily burnt [although maybe sunburn work differently for dead people]. However our victim had no burns (or less than expected burns), thus proving that his body had been placed there some time after death.
Was the flowers facing wrong direction in relation to sunlight?
Quote from: janleht on Sun 21/01/2018 21:35:48
Was the flowers facing wrong direction in relation to sunlight?
WINNER!!!Indeed, the sunflower was still facing mostly away from the sunlight coming in through the big glass windows and our detective knew that if it had actually been on the floor there for 10 hours it would have turned itself to face the light source much more.
This told him that it was most likely that the man had been killed elsewhere 10 hours ago and then moved here much more recently and then the "evidence" of a struggle here had been staged.This is not my own original puzzle. It comes directly from an episode of the Japanese anime "Detective Conan" AKA "Case Closed":
(http://www.detectiveconanworld.com/wiki/images/9/9a/Tallporcelaindoll.jpg)
well what if he killed the guy there then destroyed the apartment by searching for something he had that the murderer needed back? The pot could have been knocked over during the search instead of knocked over during the struggle. Just thinking out loud.
Quote from: dayowlron on Sun 21/01/2018 23:24:02
well what if he killed the guy there then destroyed the apartment by searching for something he had that the murderer needed back? The pot could have been knocked over during the search instead of knocked over during the struggle. Just thinking out loud.
Pretty unlikely though that he would break the TV screen, overturn a coffee table and break one of its legs off, etc. during such a search. And also why would he be doing the search many hours after he did the murder? I guess he could have realized much later that he needed to find something in the apartment but wouldn't it be incredibly risky to go back after so long? And wouldn't the search be more widespread?
Anyway, it was a trick from a show aimed mostly at kids so...
Which brings up an interesting cultural point actually:
In western countries we have child detective stories like The Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew aimed at the 8-14 year old audience but the crimes in these stories are rarely (if ever) violent. They are usually thefts, smugglers, and at worst maybe kidnapping. The bad guys might threaten violence by holding someone at gunpoint or something but people rarely (if ever) end up getting hurt, including the bad guy(s).
But in Japan they have Conan, also aimed at about the same age demographic, but in this show someone gets straight up
murdered in every episode! And right in the first scene! And often in violent ways: shot, stabbed, crushed under a heavy falling object, killed in a car crash because of tampering etc.
And Japanese kids and parents are fine with this. In fact many families watch the show together and have a great time trying to figure out the mystery first.
I doubt the show would be acceptable by western TV station or viewer standards. Probably why it's never caught on in the western world despite being quite an excellent show.
Yay :)
I think that was a good puzzle and something that could happen IRL too.
Although the "uncurtained windows" sounded so suspicious that maybe it was too big of a hint.
Quote from: janleht on Mon 22/01/2018 13:26:16
Yay :)
I think that was a good puzzle and something that could happen IRL too.
Although the "uncurtained windows" sounded so suspicious that maybe it was too big of a hint.
Cheers!
Well, it was a one-trick puzzle so I felt it didn't need a lot of hit-and-miss random questions to bog it down. My idea was also that the players had a kind of "detective vision" like in many sleuth games where they could pretty much glance at things and either see a "sparkly" or discount them as unimportant, hence the hints about the windows and the "Irrelevant" list.
The time it took to solve was pretty in-line with the complexity level (low-medium) of the puzzle I felt so it was probably fairly well balanced.
Good job solving it by the way!
Over to whoever comes up with one next!
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. The round will be only the phone conversation as it plays out.)
- Have you tried to turn the computer off and then on again? (roll) (laugh)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sun 11/03/2018 14:16:17
- Have you tried to turn the computer off and then on again? (roll) (laugh)
Haha... somebody had to and you took it upon yourself...
Now that that's out of the way... (laugh)
Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with?
have you tried adjusting the red contrast on the monitor?
Are you sure it's blood?
- Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number...
Are you calling from your place of work?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. The round will be only the phone conversation as it plays out.)
- what can you see outside the window?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. The round will be only the phone conversation as it plays out.)
- Can you determine if the blood is yours?
Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name.
What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. The round will be only the phone conversation as it plays out.)
Are you in Washington?
Is anyone with you?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
Caller: "G-G-Gerald came over f-for d-dinner. I t-told him the b-b-big news. I-I t-told him I was pr-pre-preg... GAH!!! A-A-AAA-AAAHHHH!!! I R-RE-REMEMBER!!!"
Response:"Are you in Washington?"
Caller: "YES! I-I'm in W-Washington...I n-need to sp-sp-speak w-w-with my mo..."
Response:"Is anyone with you?"
Caller: "N-No, not a-a-anymore. My n-name is Stephanie. I n-ne-need to speak w-wi-wi-with my mommy."
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. Other options apart from responding to caller are now possible.)
Okay, Where's your mother, Stephanie?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
Caller: "G-G-Gerald came over f-for d-dinner. I t-told him the b-b-big news. I-I t-told him I was pr-pre-preg... GAH!!! A-A-AAA-AAAHHHH!!! I R-RE-REMEMBER!!!"
Response:"Are you in Washington?"
Caller: "YES! I-I'm in W-Washington...I n-need to sp-sp-speak w-w-with my mo..."
Response:"Is anyone with you?"
Caller: "N-No, not a-a-anymore. My n-name is Stephanie. I n-ne-need to speak w-wi-wi-with my mommy."
Response:"Okay, Where's your mother, Stephanie?"
Caller: "She w-works a-at your c-ca...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! M-MY H-HE-HEAD!!!" (SOUND OF PEOPLE SCREAMING NEARBY CUT OFF BY A SPLATTERING NOISE, SILENCE, AND THEN WHAT SOUNDS LIKE DISTANT ARTILLERY FIRE)
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. Other options apart from responding to caller are now possible.)
Stephanie? re you still there? What's your mother's name?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
Caller: "G-G-Gerald came over f-for d-dinner. I t-told him the b-b-big news. I-I t-told him I was pr-pre-preg... GAH!!! A-A-AAA-AAAHHHH!!! I R-RE-REMEMBER!!!"
Response:"Are you in Washington?"
Caller: "YES! I-I'm in W-Washington...I n-need to sp-sp-speak w-w-with my mo..."
Response:"Is anyone with you?"
Caller: "N-No, not a-a-anymore. My n-name is Stephanie. I n-ne-need to speak w-wi-wi-with my mommy."
Response:"Okay, Where's your mother, Stephanie?"
Caller: "She w-works a-at your c-ca...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! M-MY H-HE-HEAD!!!" (SOUND OF PEOPLE SCREAMING NEARBY CUT OFF BY A SPLATTERING NOISE, SILENCE, AND THEN WHAT SOUNDS LIKE DISTANT ARTILLERY FIRE)
Response:"Stephanie? Are you still there? What's your mother's name?"
Caller: "URRGGH... Cathy. Her name i-is C-Cathy." (SOUND OF INCOMING ARTILLERY SHELLS SCREAMING THROUGH THE AIR)
(Players are limited to one response to the caller per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to the caller. Other options apart from responding to caller are now possible.)
/me checks to see if there's a Cathy in the call center.
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
Caller: "G-G-Gerald came over f-for d-dinner. I t-told him the b-b-big news. I-I t-told him I was pr-pre-preg... GAH!!! A-A-AAA-AAAHHHH!!! I R-RE-REMEMBER!!!"
Response:"Are you in Washington?"
Caller: "YES! I-I'm in W-Washington...I n-need to sp-sp-speak w-w-with my mo..."
Response:"Is anyone with you?"
Caller: "N-No, not a-a-anymore. My n-name is Stephanie. I n-ne-need to speak w-wi-wi-with my mommy."
Response:"Okay, Where's your mother, Stephanie?"
Caller: "She w-works a-at your c-ca...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! M-MY H-HE-HEAD!!!" (SOUND OF PEOPLE SCREAMING NEARBY CUT OFF BY A SPLATTERING NOISE, SILENCE, AND THEN WHAT SOUNDS LIKE DISTANT ARTILLERY FIRE)
Response:"Stephanie? Are you still there? What's your mother's name?"
Caller: "URRGGH... Cathy. Her name i-is C-Cathy." (SOUND OF INCOMING ARTILLERY SHELLS SCREAMING THROUGH THE AIR)
Response:(AWAY FROM MOUTHPIECE) "HEY! LISTEN UP! ANYONE NAMED CATHY HERE?! I THINK YOUR DAUGHTER IS ON MY LINE!"
Distant Voice: "ME! THAT'S ME!"
Caller: "TTTHHHHH..." (SOUND OF SEVERAL HEAVY THRUMMING THUNKS AND THEN THUDS AND NEARBY EXPLOSIONS)
(After a moment there is the rustle of people shifting and the phone exchanging hands)
Cathy:"STEPHIE?!"
Stephanie: "M-M-MOMMY?!"
(Players are limited to one response to Stephanie from her mother Cathy per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to Stephanie.)
Am I speaking to Cathy?
Is Stephanie ok?
/me turns on tv/radio and wonders is the "war of the worlds" has started yet...
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Fri 16/03/2018 19:19:24
/me turns on tv/radio and wonders is the "war of the worlds" has started yet...
If it's Washington, must be Independence Day.
Stephanie, I'm so glad you called. Are you hurt?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
Caller: "G-G-Gerald came over f-for d-dinner. I t-told him the b-b-big news. I-I t-told him I was pr-pre-preg... GAH!!! A-A-AAA-AAAHHHH!!! I R-RE-REMEMBER!!!"
Response:"Are you in Washington?"
Caller: "YES! I-I'm in W-Washington...I n-need to sp-sp-speak w-w-with my mo..."
Response:"Is anyone with you?"
Caller: "N-No, not a-a-anymore. My n-name is Stephanie. I n-ne-need to speak w-wi-wi-with my mommy."
Response:"Okay, Where's your mother, Stephanie?"
Caller: "She w-works a-at your c-ca...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! M-MY H-HE-HEAD!!!" (SOUND OF PEOPLE SCREAMING NEARBY CUT OFF BY A SPLATTERING NOISE, SILENCE, AND THEN WHAT SOUNDS LIKE DISTANT ARTILLERY FIRE)
Response:"Stephanie? Are you still there? What's your mother's name?"
Caller: "URRGGH... Cathy. Her name i-is C-Cathy." (SOUND OF INCOMING ARTILLERY SHELLS SCREAMING THROUGH THE AIR)
Response:(AWAY FROM MOUTHPIECE) "HEY! LISTEN UP! ANYONE NAMED CATHY HERE?! I THINK YOUR DAUGHTER IS ON MY LINE!"
Distant Voice: "ME! THAT'S ME!"
Caller: "TTTHHHHH..." (SOUND OF SEVERAL HEAVY THRUMMING THUNKS AND THEN THUDS AND NEARBY EXPLOSIONS)
(After a moment there is the rustle of people shifting and the phone exchanging hands)
Cathy:"STEPHIE?!"
Stephanie: "M-M-MOMMY?!"
Cathy:"Stephanie, I'm so glad you called. Are you hurt?"
Stephanie: "N-Not yet. But th-they are t-trying. I-It's out ag-again, Mommy. I-It k-ki-ki-killed Ger.. I-I-I killed G-G-Gerald."
(Players are limited to one response to Stephanie from her mother Cathy per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to Stephanie.)
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Fri 16/03/2018 19:19:24
/me turns on tv/radio and wonders is the "war of the worlds" has started yet...
I haven't ignored this action... Will get to it in next update...
(that's okay, I'm just not sure what to do next... guess I can ask: )
- What do you mean you killed Gerald?
Is Gerald your unborn baby, your husband or your friend ...?
Oh Stephanie. Did you forget to take your meds again?
Case#57: Tech Support
As a tech support worker on a phone service for a range of obscure software products you don't usually get a call like this:
Caller: "HELP!!! I'M C-C-COVERED IN BLOOD AND I D-DON'T KNOW W-W-WHY!!!"
Response: "Hello, this is the Obscure Software Service Line. Which product did you purchase or need help with? "
Caller: "S-SO MUCH BLOOD! ACK!!! G-GET IT O-OFF ME!!!"
Response: "Are you sure it's blood?"
Caller: "IT'S FUCKING B-B-BLOOD AND IT'S A-ALL F-F-FUCKING OVER ME!!!"
Response:"Please disconnect and dial your local emergency number."
Caller: "I'M ON THE F-F-FLOOR! I C-C-CAN'T REACH TH-TH-THE PHONE!!"
Response:"Are you calling from your place of work?"
Caller: "I'M IN A PHONE BOX!!!"
Response:"What can you see outside?"
Caller: "I-IT'S D-D-DARK!!! I S-SEE SOME F-F-...FUCK!...F-F-FIRES!!!"
Response:"Can you determine if the blood is yours?"
Caller: "I-I-I DON'T TH-THINK S-SO... S-SOME O-O-OF IT M-MUST B-BE... OHHHH G-GOD!!!"
Response:"Okay, sir. I need you to take a deep breath and tell me your name."
Caller: "I'll t-t-try...(sound of several deep breaths)...O-okay...B-b-but I can't r-remem... (SOUND OF MASSIVE EXPLOSION NEARBY)
Response:"What is the last thing you remember before calling this number?"
At this point in the transcript the voices of others in the call center overlap that of the responder:
Background voices:"...just heard about...it's Washington...happening in Washington...my daughter's in Washi...OH MY GO..."
Caller: "G-G-Gerald came over f-for d-dinner. I t-told him the b-b-big news. I-I t-told him I was pr-pre-preg... GAH!!! A-A-AAA-AAAHHHH!!! I R-RE-REMEMBER!!!"
Response:"Are you in Washington?"
Caller: "YES! I-I'm in W-Washington...I n-need to sp-sp-speak w-w-with my mo..."
Response:"Is anyone with you?"
Caller: "N-No, not a-a-anymore. My n-name is Stephanie. I n-ne-need to speak w-wi-wi-with my mommy."
Response:"Okay, Where's your mother, Stephanie?"
Caller: "She w-works a-at your c-ca...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! M-MY H-HE-HEAD!!!" (SOUND OF PEOPLE SCREAMING NEARBY CUT OFF BY A SPLATTERING NOISE, SILENCE, AND THEN WHAT SOUNDS LIKE DISTANT ARTILLERY FIRE)
Response:"Stephanie? Are you still there? What's your mother's name?"
Caller: "URRGGH... Cathy. Her name i-is C-Cathy." (SOUND OF INCOMING ARTILLERY SHELLS SCREAMING THROUGH THE AIR)
Response:(AWAY FROM MOUTHPIECE) "HEY! LISTEN UP! ANYONE NAMED CATHY HERE?! I THINK YOUR DAUGHTER IS ON MY LINE!"
Distant Voice: "ME! THAT'S ME!"
Caller: "TTTHHHHH..." (SOUND OF SEVERAL HEAVY THRUMMING THUNKS AND THEN THUDS AND NEARBY EXPLOSIONS)
(After a moment there is the rustle of people shifting and the phone exchanging hands)
Cathy:"STEPHIE?!"
Stephanie: "M-M-MOMMY?!"
Cathy:"Stephanie, I'm so glad you called. Are you hurt?"
Stephanie: "N-Not yet. But th-they are t-trying. I-It's out ag-again, Mommy. I-It k-ki-ki-killed Ger.. I-I-I killed G-G-Gerald."
Cathy:"What do you mean you killed Gerald?"
Stephanie: "EEEEIIHHHH! It'S HuRtIinG MEEEE... F-FU-FUCK!!! EnnGGGg... Sh-SH-ShUtting it out f-F-for as long as I can!!!"
Background Voice:"...UT UP! THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE NEWS!"
At this point in the transcript the voice of a television news anchor overlaps that of the recorded phone call:
Background TV Voice:"...rying to make sense of the footage we are receiving. A dome-shap...I don't know what to call it...Some kind of blueish glow has engul..."
Stephanie: "Mom, listen quick while I can talk okay. Remember when I was little and I made things happen? When I got angry and stuff broke and my dolls got ripped apart, right?! Oh, Jesus, it...I did that to Gerald! I'd been doing real good at keeping it inside but...with the baby inside me it's gotten so hard t-t-to...NNGgffff..."
Cathy:"Was Gerald the father?"
Stephanie: "...MMMmmph...but he told me he's already m-married and tried to give me some money f-f-for an a-ab-abo...CAAAaaaan't-t-t TAKE TH-THIS!!! M-Mommy!!! I-If I could j-just calm d-d-down they can get to me and end this."
(Players are limited to one response to Stephanie from her mother Cathy per post. The GM (me) will decide if responses are eligible as serious replies to Stephanie.)
As it seems I might have killed this thread with my experiments into other directions it could take I will try to revive it by going back to the classic structure:
Players may ask only yes or no questions.
Limited to 3 questions per player per update.
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
NO
Was "she" a pet?
(uhm... I totally forgot about this thread... :-[ Might have "died" out when you went on vacation, maybe? )
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Tue 03/07/2018 17:01:56
(uhm... I totally forgot about this thread... :-[ Might have "died" out when you went on vacation, maybe? )
Hmmm... I guess so... I had no internet while away but came back and saw no feedback actions from players so I just kind of assumed the interest was gone... Maybe we can continue Case #57 at some future point... But for now...
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESNOWas "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Was she a human?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Was she killed deliberately?
Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she a child?
Was she elderly?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she lying on her back?
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Yes! I'm glad this thread is back in action! :-D
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head? (roll)
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
He said "Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?" was no.
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Has she been poisoned?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Has she been strangled?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
Did she startle her dog(s)?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Case#58: Killed By Love
She was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?
YES
Was she a human?
Was she killed deliberately? (As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)
Was she killed by a decision she made herself? (Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)
Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason? (Not exactly but something like this, yes)
Did she startle her dog(s)? (More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)
NO
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...? Then this riddle should be rather about where she got the human flesh before though...
Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her?
Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her?
(No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
I'll just also add here that this case is based on a true story I heard about on the news a few years ago which was so sad I have never forgotten about it.
I say this so people don't have to go through all the "Had she turned into a werewolf?" type questions to determine what about her appearance had changed.
Hehe... you guys are out of practice. I remember back in the day one of the first questions asked was usually "Could this case happen in real life?" (laugh)
Had she fainted or been knocked out.
Did the dogs think she was dead.
Did the dogs eat her alive?
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her?
(No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
Had she fainted or been knocked out?
Did the dogs think she was dead?
Did the dogs eat her alive?
(They killed her but they didn't eat her)
Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
Quote from: CaptainD on Fri 06/07/2018 10:28:10
Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
No, and just to save everyone a load of questions like "Had she had plastic/reconstructive surgery?": It wasn't her own personal physical appearance that was different that day. It wasn't any part of her body which was different.
Did she smell different?
Was she wearing some kind of device that gave off a sound that drove the dogs crazy?
Did her voice sound different?
Was she dressed differently from normal?
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her?
(No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
Had she fainted or been knocked out?
Did the dogs think she was dead?
Did the dogs eat her alive?
(They killed her but they didn't eat her) Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
Did she smell different?
Was she wearing some kind of device that gave off a sound that drove the dogs crazy?
Did her voice sound different?
Was she dressed differently from normal?
(No, it wasn't her clothes or anything worn on the body)
Had something grown on the woman?
Did she have a different hairstyle?
Did she have a beard?
Were they in a different location than normal?
Did something else scare the dogs, preventing them from recognizing her?
Did the dogs perceive her to be attacking them?
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)Did the dogs perceive her to be attacking them?
(Or about to attack, yes)NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her?
(No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
Had she fainted or been knocked out?
Did the dogs think she was dead?
Did the dogs eat her alive?
(They killed her but they didn't eat her) Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
Did she smell different?
Was she wearing some kind of device that gave off a sound that drove the dogs crazy?
Did her voice sound different?
Was she dressed differently from normal?
(No, it wasn't her clothes or anything worn on the body)Had something grown on the woman?
Did she have a different hairstyle?
Did she have a beard?
Were they in a different location than normal?
Did something else scare the dogs, preventing them from recognizing her?
Was the change in appearance a matter of how she acted?
Did she suffer a medical emergency (stroke, epileptic fit...)?
Was she drugged or intoxicated?
Has she had a beauty operation?
Did she wear a (beauty/oxygen)mask?
Did she have skin rash?
Was she sunburn?
Was her "change" an accident?
Was she wearing someone elses clothes?
Were the dogs wolfs?
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)Did the dogs perceive her to be attacking them?
(Or about to attack, yes)Did she suffer a medical emergency?
(The day before, yes)Was her "change" an accident?
(Yes, she had had an accident)NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her?
(No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
Had she fainted or been knocked out?
Did the dogs think she was dead?
Did the dogs eat her alive?
(They killed her but they didn't eat her) Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
Did she smell different?
Was she wearing some kind of device that gave off a sound that drove the dogs crazy?
Did her voice sound different?
Was she dressed differently from normal?
(No, it wasn't her clothes or anything worn on the body)Had something grown on the woman?
Did she have a different hairstyle?
Did she have a beard?
Were they in a different location than normal?
Did something else scare the dogs, preventing them from recognizing her?
Was the change in appearance a matter of how she acted?
Was she drugged or intoxicated?
Has she had a beauty operation?
Did she wear a (beauty/oxygen)mask?
Did she have skin rash?
Was she sunburn?
Was she wearing someone elses clothes?
Were the dogs wolfs?
Had she been fitted with a device?
Had the lady lost her mind at all?
Had she taken up a new hobby?
Quote from: Stupot on Fri 06/07/2018 23:41:14
Had she been fitted with a device?
Not "fitted with" but she had a certain object with her for the first time, yes.
Quote from: Stupot on Fri 06/07/2018 23:41:14
Had she taken up a new hobby?
Well, taking care of these dogs in the first place was kind of a hobby.
Was the item she had with her a pendant alarm?
Was it a dog whistle?
(I'll update the main post a bit later. Assume for now that any questions I don't comment on are a simple NO answer)
Quote from: CaptainD on Sat 07/07/2018 00:00:21
Was the item she had with her a pendant alarm?
Nothing so high-tech.
Did she have a bell of some kind?
Has she gotten crutches that irritated their dogs?
Has she gotten a wheelchair that irritated their dogs?
Has she gotten a wound dressing that irritated their dogs?
Did she break her arm and had plaster around it?
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)Did the dogs perceive her to be attacking them?
(Or about to attack, yes)Did she suffer a medical emergency?
(The day before, yes)Was her "change" an accident?
(Yes, she had had an accident)Had she been fitted with a device?
(Not "fitted with" but she had a certain object with her for the first time, yes.)Had she taken up a new hobby?
(Well, yes, taking care of these dogs in the first place was kind of a hobby.)Has she gotten crutches that irritated the dogs?
(Yes, close enough: She was using a walking stick for the first time)NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her? (No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)
Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
Had she fainted or been knocked out?
Did the dogs think she was dead?
Did the dogs eat her alive? (They killed her but they didn't eat her)
Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
Did she smell different?
Was she wearing some kind of device that gave off a sound that drove the dogs crazy?
Did her voice sound different?
Was she dressed differently from normal? (No, it wasn't her clothes or anything worn on the body)
Had something grown on the woman?
Did she have a different hairstyle?
Did she have a beard?
Were they in a different location than normal?
Did something else scare the dogs, preventing them from recognizing her?
Was the change in appearance a matter of how she acted?
Was she drugged or intoxicated?
Has she had a beauty operation?
Did she wear a (beauty/oxygen)mask?
Did she have skin rash?
Was she sunburn?
Was she wearing someone elses clothes?
Were the dogs wolfs?
Had the lady lost her mind at all?
Was the item she had with her a pendant alarm?
(No, nothing so high-tech)Was it a dog whistle?
Did she have a bell of some kind?
Has she gotten a wheelchair that irritated their dogs?
Has she gotten a wound dressing that irritated their dogs?
Did she break her arm and had plaster around it?
So we now know that the old lady had been using a walking stick for the first time and that this made her dogs attack and kill her.
The only piece left in the puzzle is figuring out why such a change would have triggered her dogs to do such a thing.
Were the dogs previously beaten with a stick? (as in they were mistreated as pups?)
The dogs thought the stick was a plaything and took it off her making her stumble and hit her head.
Case#58: Killed By LoveShe was killed by those she loved the most. What happened?YESWas she a human?
Was she killed deliberately?
(As with the "by accident" answer below this one is borderline, but yes)Was she killed by a decision she made herself?
(Kind of unavoidably, and not knowingly, but yes)Was she in the proximity of those she loved the most when she died?
Was she elderly?
Was there any blood at the scene?
Was she killed suddenly (rather than slowly over time)?
Were those she loved the most her pet(s)?
Were "those she loved the most" living things?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of canine?
Did she die because of the wounds bleeding?
Did her dog(s) attack her?
Did her dog(s) not recognise her for some reason?
(Not exactly but something like this, yes)Did she startle her dog(s)?
(More "scare" than "startle", but close enough)Has she irritated the dogs by changing her look?
(Something about her was different, yes)Did the dogs perceive her to be attacking them?
(Or about to attack, yes)Did she suffer a medical emergency?
(The day before, yes)Was her "change" an accident?
(Yes, she had had an accident)Had she been fitted with a device?
(Not "fitted with" but she had a certain object with her for the first time, yes.)Had she taken up a new hobby?
(Well, yes, taking care of these dogs in the first place was kind of a hobby.)Has she gotten crutches that irritated the dogs?
(Yes, close enough: She was using a walking stick for the first time)Were the dogs previously beaten with a stick? (as in they were mistreated as pups?)
NOSpoiler
Was "she" a pet?
Was she diabetic but had a sweet tooth?
Did she love someone or something she was allergic to?
Was she murdered by accident? (Hmmm...Not exactly "by accident")
Was she killed by a relative?
Did she die in a hospital?
Did she die due to the administration of medication?
Did she die due to the non-administration of medication?
Was she a child?
Would this event constitute murder?
Did she choke on something?
Was she lying on her back? (Possibly, but doesn't really matter)
Is there a murder weapon near her body?
Was she found dead by the police?
Were those who killed her human?
Did she want to die?
Had she fallen unconscious before she was killed?
Were "those she loved the most" memories?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of feline?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of primate?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of marine life?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of reptile?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of lizard?
Were "those she loved the most" some kind of insect?
Did the dog jump on her to lick her face and made her fall and hit her head?
Were those she loved the most a part of her?
Were those she loved the most called Jim, Jack or Johnny?
Were those she loved the most her cat(s)?
Did she choke on furballs?
Has she been poisoned?
Has she been strangled?
did she smell like dogfood?
Did she bathe in doogfood or meat?
Is she lady gaga wearing her meatdress again?
Did she do something that made the dogs biting her? (No, apart from the action that changed her appearance)
Did she say something that made the dogs attack her?
Did she cosplay as catwoman and her dogs got angry?
Did she buy the wrong food and the dogs were very afraid because they had the same food over and over.
Did she normally feed them human flesh and this time brought normal dry food and the hunger remained...?
Had she fainted or been knocked out?
Did the dogs think she was dead?
Did the dogs eat her alive? (They killed her but they didn't eat her)
Did she have a sex change and her dogs thought she was an intruder?
Did she smell different?
Was she wearing some kind of device that gave off a sound that drove the dogs crazy?
Did her voice sound different?
Was she dressed differently from normal? (No, it wasn't her clothes or anything worn on the body)
Had something grown on the woman?
Did she have a different hairstyle?
Did she have a beard?
Were they in a different location than normal?
Did something else scare the dogs, preventing them from recognizing her?
Was the change in appearance a matter of how she acted?
Was she drugged or intoxicated?
Has she had a beauty operation?
Did she wear a (beauty/oxygen)mask?
Did she have skin rash?
Was she sunburn?
Was she wearing someone elses clothes?
Were the dogs wolfs?
Had the lady lost her mind at all?
Was the item she had with her a pendant alarm?
(No, nothing so high-tech)Was it a dog whistle?
Did she have a bell of some kind?
Has she gotten a wheelchair that irritated their dogs?
Has she gotten a wound dressing that irritated their dogs?
Did she break her arm and had plaster around it?
The dogs thought the stick was a plaything and took it off her making her stumble and hit her head.
The case has been 99% solved but I would like to see it through to 100% closure:
Why was the eldery lady taking care of these dogs in the first place?
Was she giving love to rescue dogs?
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Sat 07/07/2018 16:40:26
Was she giving love to rescue dogs?
I think right here we can declare this case closed and solved by Cassie:
This case was based on one of the saddest news stories I have ever heard:
The elderly lady built a shelter for rescue dogs in her back yard as something meaningful to do in her old age.
She accepted the rescue dogs from the local shelter that nobody else took in.
In case anyone does not know what a "rescue dog" is: It is a dog that was abused or neglected by its owner and was removed by law into custody to be potentially adopted by another owner.
Eventually she had about a dozen dogs that she was taking care of and that nobody else wanted, including a big alpha-male: The leader of the pack.
Everything was fine until, one day, the elderly lady took a fall and hurt her hip.
The next time she went out to feed the dogs she needed to use a walking stick to walk down to the shelter.
The big alpha-male dog she had rescued had been beaten with a stick by the man that previously owned him.
When this dog saw the elderly woman coming with the stick in hand he (most likely) flashed back to being beaten as a pup and reacted in his defense by attacking the woman.
As he was the alpha-male dog the other dogs joined in and also attacked her.
The woman was killed by the dogs she had saved.
The dogs that attacked her were all put to death as the law demanded.
Probably this makes sense in this case. Nobody would take in a rescue dog that had killed somebody.
But the saddest thing for me about this incident is that it was all caused by human cruelty and I hate to imagine how those dogs felt after they had killed the woman that had cared for them.
CASE CLOSED
People used to comment after the end of a case to kind of let the host know if it had been involving or, if not, then why not.
This is what makes hosting a case interesting for me: knowing how people felt after the ending.
I thought the case was interesting, but just now saw it was solved. I had not heard that story but it is very sad.
Ahh sorry man. I was still waiting for that last 1% and didn't realise the case was closed already.
I like that it was based on a real case. It's a good story, albeit tragic. I must admit though, I prefer these when they are a murder rather than an accident. It's fun working out whodunnit and why. But here we pretty much established that was an accident involving a pet pretty early on and the rest was just garnering the details.
Oh, sorry, been "spacing out"... (roll)
I was "close" on my first attempt... (roll) The fact that I entered and continued posting questions (albeit not many) means it was interesting enough to participate... as some times I just read. ;)
And yes the poor woman. Though, did she knew the background of the dogs? And if so, cause she should, wondering why she choose to walk in there with a cane. Maybe she just forgot and did not thought the dog(s) would attack.
Anyway, I don't have anything, so anyone can just jump in with a new case. (nod)
Thanks for the case, Mandle! Well worth it as always. A sad story for sure.
Animal motives is pretty far out of my wheelhouse to speculate about, but I suppose it came together in the end.
Quote from: Cassiebsg on Mon 09/07/2018 18:11:10
Though, did she knew the background of the dogs? And if so, cause she should, wondering why she choose to walk in there with a cane. Maybe she just forgot and did not thought the dog(s) would attack.
I don't know if she specifically knew the dog had been beaten with a stick and, even if she did know, probably wasn't enoough of an animal psychologist to make the leap that a walking stick could trigger that past trauma.
It is, of course, only a theory that the walking stick is the reason for the attack. They couldn't ask the dogs or read their minds. But given the past hitory of the alpha-dog and the timing of the attack it does seem pretty likely.