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Critics' Lounge / Re: First background

« on: 18 Jan 2008, 11:45 »

yep something wrong with the interior (they are too detailed for this style?), for lights maybe you can manage them by layers

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Critics' Lounge / cartoonish lo-res pixel-art background [UPDATE - C&C needed - Feb 7]

« on: 18 Jan 2008, 11:37 »

[UPDATE 22/01/08]

first room:



and here is the castle:

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Critics' Lounge / Re: just to try

« on: 17 Jan 2008, 18:49 »

and now a bad guy 



2x


i now my works looks "mirrored" i need to make them more asimmetric

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and a high-res start wip



3x


but i don't like how nose mouth and eyes looks, how could i improve it?

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Critics' Lounge / Re: Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 17 Jan 2008, 17:41 »

in this image the window has the lower part in correct perspective with the lower part of the wall (RED LINES)
upper part of window has a mismatch perspective with upper wall part

hoping image can explain better than my words...

in 5 point perspective this "mismatching" dosn't apper

Sorry to just drop into a thread and go off topic, but I think you're being a little overzealous with your perspective lines. I doubt that the top of the window frame and the ceiling are supposed to be parallel - look at the way the top corner of the window cuts into the orange border.

yes, 2 planes... first one is top wall border and right window (orange part too), second plane is wall base and left window... they are fuse together

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Critics' Lounge / Re: Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 16 Jan 2008, 22:08 »

make a game and rejoice in the feeling that you made your backgrounds your own way (and some "inspiration").

yep this is really true

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Critics' Lounge / Re: Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 16 Jan 2008, 19:41 »

Actually DOTT's backgrounds aren't exactly fish-eye, but made in a technique called "Five Point Perspective". The effect is very similar but allows for some creative warping/skewing effects- basically you start with a two point perspective and wrap additional perspective lines around one central portion of the image. A quick Google search should provide you with more insight.

EDIT:
Found a nice  tutorial already!

dott perspective is more complex, i found that it works on 2 "plan" upper and lower:



in this image the window has the lower part in correct perspective with the lower part of the wall (RED LINES)
upper part of window has a mismatch perspective with upper wall part

hoping image can explain better than my words...

in 5 point perspective this "mismatching" dosn't apper

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Advanced Technical Forum / Re: AGS 3.0 RC 4 - Another pre-final Edition

« on: 16 Jan 2008, 12:26 »

no only 1 loop and 1 frame cause it's a wip... then i'll try with more frames

Would anyone have any strong objections to me changing those editor warnings into compile errors when you don't fill in all 4 loops in character views, because this isn't the first time that people seem to have ignored the warning and then reported a bug?

when i programming and the compiler give me a warning error i don't care too much of it, cause a warning means like "Hey, are you sure you want to do that think?" and respond "Yes, i'm sure", so if a get "Hey your char has only 1 frame!" " i respond "Yep, I want only 1 frame, go on". So it's a good idea to change it to an error message.

So sorry for my goofy explain

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Critics' Lounge / Re: Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 16 Jan 2008, 12:16 »

"the first monkey island" was not "poor graphic". "the first monkey island" was good graphic. Very good. The Secret of Monkey Island™ was designed in a time of very small screen resolutions. 320x200 was all they had to work with back then. But while designing the graphics, they worked very hard to make them seem as realistic as possible (in most cases; sometimes they did more unrealistic graphics for comedic or other effects). We can see this in the close-ups. Trying to represent an entire person in ~1000 pixels is no trivial task.

i know all of this, i love MI and i played it a lot times, in italian, english, text and graphic inventory...

the right words was "old graphic" and not "poor graphic".

current generation will never plays secret of monkey island cause they hate old graphic, but if they have modern graphic probabily they will play it...

anyway my attemp fails, no excuse

* The "cartoony" look you're using on geometry, such as door and window shapes, isn't too good.
As all newbies on this style, you're assuming that Day-of-the-tentacle style is made randomly, but actually, it's not. Even though things are tilted and weird in this game, there's a strict way how they are made and tilted and how they should look. So, suggestion number one: Play sam & max. Play DOTT. And try to write down or draw down or simply memorize how tilted geometry is made there. Notice the things that all geometry has in common in their cartoony look. Figure out why these games look so original and why it's so hard to replicate this. This style is FAR from randomly making shapes.

following the suggest of "study" dott style, i tried to reproduce the mansion hall in line art, just to understand how it work and how it could looks in line art:


not really so bad... isn't it?

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Critics' Lounge / Re: Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 15 Jan 2008, 17:37 »

I suggest dropping the idea.
Infact, I suggest spending time on your drawing skills instead of thinking big yet.
Few pointers:

* The "cartoony" look you're using on geometry, such as door and window shapes, isn't too good.
As all newbies on this style, you're assuming that Day-of-the-tentacle style is made randomly, but actually, it's not. Even though things are tilted and weird in this game, there's a strict way how they are made and tilted and how they should look. So, suggestion number one: Play sam & max. Play DOTT. And try to write down or draw down or simply memorize how tilted geometry is made there. Notice the things that all geometry has in common in their cartoony look. Figure out why these games look so original and why it's so hard to replicate this. This style is FAR from randomly making shapes.

* Shading, shading, shading. Roofs don't have any shading on your image.

* Using cropped photos/textures is and will stay bad idea. Especially with black outlines!!!
Try to draw some of your own.  Look at the hut roofs, do this leaf texture really looks like it belongs there? Don't lumps of grass horribly stick out from your grass texture? Isn't there's something awfully wrong with alignment of wooden plank textures on huts? I think you'll get the picture.

To be honest, I don't think that MI needs "restyling". It's graphics look much better as it is.

And as I said, you should do two things before your next attempt: Determine if you're going for cartoony style, and if yes, learn to do it properly, and second -- spend some more time practising drawing.

I know I sounded quite harsh here, but after some practice and improvement, you won't feel like this anymore and probably agree with me.

what can i say? you're right!

i used this texturized style cause in a project i used it and result was not so bad
this is an example:


but in a cartoonish bg this tecnic fails, so i'm sure that i will drop the MI project

now i'm not sure if start a project in pixel-art or line-art or line-texturized-art (like in the example)

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Critics' Lounge / just to try

« on: 15 Jan 2008, 15:22 »

just to test my skill on pixel art I made this 10-minutes-of-work-guy

what do you think?



2x zoom:


dithering:

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Critics' Lounge / Re: 'hi-res' sprite attempt

« on: 15 Jan 2008, 15:06 »

i love it, it remember me day of the tentacle style

arms are not so good... btw do you think you will animate it?

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Advanced Technical Forum / Re: AGS 3.0 RC 4 - Another pre-final Edition

« on: 15 Jan 2008, 08:30 »

what a strange thing...

if I comment line 21 or line 22 or line 21 and line 22 the game dosn't crash
instead commenting line 23 or 24 the game crash...

Does the character have at least 4 loops and at least one frame in each loop?

no only 1 loop and 1 frame cause it's a wip... then i'll try with more frames

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Critics' Lounge / Re: Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 15 Jan 2008, 08:27 »

ok guys you'r all right

i was not happy with this work and now i know it is not good

anyway i used gif format cause i was not sure if the host supports other formats (the original is not a gif)

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Critics' Lounge / Secret of Monkey Island Restyling

« on: 14 Jan 2008, 22:12 »

hi all

i'm trying to redraw the first monkey island cause is a fantastic game, but poor graphic and i want to revitalize it

here is a first, wip, attempt:




any suggest?

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Advanced Technical Forum / Re: AGS 3.0 RC 4 - Another pre-final Edition

« on: 14 Jan 2008, 11:33 »

I got this error message when the game try to play a sound:

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Illegal exception
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An exception 0xC0000005 occurred in ACWIN.EXE at EIP = 0x0043E03D ; program pointer is +1501, ACI version 3.00.966, gtags (1,0)

Can you confirm whether it's the sound or the DisplayMessage causing the problem? (try commenting out each command, one at a time, and see if it still crashes).

Are you using the "Always display text as speech" setting? If so, is the player character visible at the time?

what a strange thing...

if I comment line 21 or line 22 or line 21 and line 22 the game dosn't crash
instead commenting line 23 or 24 the game crash...

19 function oObject0_Look()
20 {
21 //character[1].Walk(258, 227, eBlock);
22 //character[1].FaceLocation(295, 211);
23 PlaySound(0);
24 DisplayMessage(0);
25 }

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Advanced Technical Forum / Re: AGS 3.0 RC 4 - Another pre-final Edition

« on: 12 Jan 2008, 15:06 »

thebaddie - if that function can run for every room you will need to create a message 0 in every single room or you will get an error when trying to use it in a room without that message number defined.  You can find the area to add display messages in rooms in the properties sidebar under 'messages'.  If you are still getting an error make sure that you have a sound0 file in the sounds folder.  Also, make sure character[1] is actually IN the room where you are doing this.  character[1] probably isn't your main character, so you should probably do an if(character[1].Room == player.Room) test before you move him around unless this function occurs only in one room and character[1] is always in that room.

room has a 0 message
sound folder has SOUND0.wav
character[1] is in room and he is the main char

every message in the room run correctly, the 2 message with sound crashes the game

maybe cause i imported the game from the 2.72 ver?

EDIT:
a screenshot:

1: cMarco is the main player
2: message 0
3: the object

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Advanced Technical Forum / Re: AGS 3.0 RC 4 - Another pre-final Edition

« on: 12 Jan 2008, 14:07 »

in "room2.asc", line 24

Wrong line?

same thing

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Advanced Technical Forum / Re: AGS 3.0 RC 4 - Another pre-final Edition

« on: 12 Jan 2008, 11:35 »

I got this error message when the game try to play a sound:

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Illegal exception
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An exception 0xC0000005 occurred in ACWIN.EXE at EIP = 0x0043E03D ; program pointer is +1501, ACI version 3.00.966, gtags (1,0)

AGS cannot continue, this exception was fatal. Please note down the numbers above, remember what you were doing at the time and notify CJ on the Tech forum.

in "room2.asc", line 24


Most versions of Windows allow you to press Ctrl+C now to copy this entire message to the clipboard for easy reporting.

An error file CrashInfo.dmp has been created. You may be asked to upload this file when reporting this problem on the AGS Forums. (code 0)
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OK   
---------------------------

the function is:
19 function oObject0_Look()
20 {
21 character[1].Walk(258, 227, eBlock);
22 character[1].FaceLocation(295, 211);
23 PlaySound(0);
24 DisplayMessage(0);
25 }

if I delete line 23 nothing change

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Modules & Plugins / Re: MODULE: Description v1.03 - Display hotspot description

« on: 10 Jan 2008, 17:22 »

create a label, and pass the name you give it in the gui editor to the gui mode script function...

i can't understand how to do this step...

can someone please post an example to explain me where exactly i have to set the label name?

is this the correct piece of script?:
[code]
function Descriptions::GUIMode(GUIControl *gc) {
  this.OLTidy();
  if (gc==null) {
      Display("ERROR! null GUIControl passed to Description.GUIMode, contact game author");
      return -1;
  }      
  this.DisplayType=eDescDisplayGUIControl;
  this.gc=gc;
}
[/code]