Yahtzee & AGS, the history

CSFS · Sun 06/10/2002 23:25:41

What the heck has Yahtzee done here that pissed you all off to such an enormous degree?

I'm not defending him or anything, just curious as to what created this rift that appears to have spanned many years...

I did search to find out, but everyone seemed to be saying "Yahtzee is evil" or "let's not mention Yahtzee here," but not actually *why*.

So, why??

Chris

Pessi · Sun 06/10/2002 23:41:11

I think the main issues were his ego and thus the very negative attitude. To me, he seemed hostile.

I never saw him help anyone. I could be wrong on this one though.

He was always going on about himself. He never encouraged anyone.

It's just that he was a negative person, and people just couldn't stand it. It's like going on a date with a person that only talks about him or herself.

He can make average games though. Even though I think the majority of people thinks he can make really good games. Perhaps they're just not my preference in style (not meaning art).

Hehe, as you pointed out, it's best just not to mention him. Not that he was a taboo or anything. It's just that the negative attitude comes with that name.

Funny, you've only posted one topic and it involves Yahtzee.

* Pessi makes conclusions.

Just kidding.

Roy Lazarovich · Mon 07/10/2002 00:50:47

I remember Yahtzee vaguely, since he disappeared around the time I joined the community, I remember him writing all sorts of articles about adventure games, or am I confusing him with someone else?

Joseph DiPerla · Mon 07/10/2002 01:17:44

He never really did anything to me.

He seemed to be okay. On the forums I never found a problem with him. I never noticed an ego problem. But then again, I never communicated with him that much anyways...

He did make a heck of a lot of good games.

Besides, my moto is: Try and find something good in a person, and you will always be happy and at peace with that individual.

And, he was pretty young when he was in the community, maybe he matured a liitle. Again, I never NOTICED a problem.

JD

Trapezoid · Mon 07/10/2002 01:39:30

http://www.geocities.com/yahtzee83/yahtzee6.htm

He reviewed my old unfinished adventure demos.

Sylpher · Mon 07/10/2002 01:41:56

Made first major Ags games.

Pretended to be big headed.

Was not the nicest fello to most of the regulars.

Ran off saying he would never make adventure games ever ever ever ever again.

basically what happend in a super small fly nutshell.

DGMacphee · Mon 07/10/2002 03:41:33

I think the biggest blow, from my memory, was when he wrote a damning article about how stupid the US was... He listed a whole bunch of things, and this kinda upset everyone...

I think people also got sick of his 'I'm going to take over the world' shtick... He did have some funny articles and did make some good games (from a playability perspective), but I think he was a little TOO critical of people...

BruisedWeasel · Mon 07/10/2002 04:36:20

Hi CSFS. I recognised yer letters.

I often wonder about the linking of Yahtzee to BURN!!11! BURN 'IM!!1!!! I guess a person is only as good as his last post. And gods forbid the next post is worse than the last. I'm too new to truely care about adopting the hostility towards some brit I never met. It seems one can't even talk about the game around here. A shame, it is an entertaining game at times.

...

Anyone plan on making Yahtzee with ags? (not based on Ben)

Las Naranjas · Mon 07/10/2002 05:13:30

He wasn't a very secure person, and I don't think he had much in Real Life to make him feel good about himself.

For a bit in the Amateur community he could be a big shot, but when rivalry came in, he tended to overcriticize it to protect his position. He drove Phil away like that.

And when everyone was talking about Rode kill, or Permanent Daylight, he left, because "The scene was getting him down", he wasn't numero uno anymore.

It's a sad story.

evenwolf · Mon 07/10/2002 07:02:50

Yes, I think some people have to realize that perhaps the community wasn't so well established back then. I mean, I'm just theorizing here- I think perhaps Yahtzee found a window of critical tyranny in AGS history. It's just a matter of him having a game or two, and therefore status "above" everyone else. People like Pessi weren't around yet to balance the negativity "newbies" were receiving. So Yahtzee perhaps kept a little bit of a monopoly by suppressing other's hopes? Maybe? But what would he do when suddenly other people announce games worth praise and therefore gain voice in the community as well? Give up his status? That would require a complete change of character, something quite difficult to accomlish.

C-SFS · Mon 07/10/2002 07:55:19

Well, he seems to have repented his sins now. For those who haven't seen his site, he writes:

"The praise I was given by the rest of the community gave me new-found confidence. But with confidence came cockiness, and with cockiness came big-headedness, and soon I was declaring myself an authority on amateur adventure games. That part of my life all seems so unreal now. I was a foolish, self-delusional, arrogant prick and there's not a day goes by that I don't regret all the silly things I did and said that alienated me from the AGS community.

So if any amateur adventure gamers are reading this, and I know there are as they seemed to find Odysseus Kent pretty easily, then this is my apology. I'm sorry. Thank you for liking my games, and I'm sorry you had to put up with my weirdness. The AGS community is really one of the nicest online and AGS itself is the best adventure game-makey tool in the whole wide world."

Oh, and that US-article mentioned was probably referring to http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/essays/tribute.htm

It's purely humourous, I assure you... of course, being from England probably helps my perspective a little

2ma2 · Mon 07/10/2002 10:45:42

When I joined, right before Rode, the worst things were allready over. I never saw anything pointing towards Y's egositical behaviour. However, the forums were tense, and the winds of changes blew through it, which divided the groups I guess. Yahtzee left, Sarah a bit later, blaiming the hostile enviroment that had began within the community.

We changed, and I arrived in the beginning of it. Next there was the newbie invasion and we got a bigger crisis on our hands with more and more frustrated regulars. Finally, the messiah stepped forward (Pessi) and delivered us out from the pits of agony be keeping his temper in the worst of conditions (Cheers!). And we started working to make things as easy for n00bs as possible, with forum rules posts etc

But Yahtzee then. Well, I don't know cause I wasn't there, but trustful sources game me this explanation: He began to hevae like a complete ass and when people we're really pissed off, he came forward and said that it was all a joke, which pissed people off even more.

Andail · Mon 07/10/2002 11:13:34

I share the suspicion that CFSF might be more than just a newbie with a pet peeve on his mind...

anyway, I looked through lots of Yahtzee's posts some time after I had joined, to make my own judgement.
Of course it wasn't like all his posts were "shut up, fucking newbie, I rule you all and one day you'll thank me"....
but the tendency was there. I read his grandiose fare-well-letter, and I read his info on the community list, which is pretty much enough to draw a few conclusions.

DGMacphee · Mon 07/10/2002 11:28:10

Andail, I agree... Reading CSFS's last post seemed very strange...

Especially this line:

QuoteIt's purely humourous, I assure you... of course, being from England probably helps my perspective a little

For some reason, it seems a very odd thing to say...

Could CSFS perhaps be...

No, he couldn't...

Nah... I'm just imagining things...

Esseb · Mon 07/10/2002 12:25:45

Sorry to chime in here, but Trap, seeing as the crows nest got started from scratch again, your games are not in the new games list. They looked really interesting, got them on the net somewhere?

rodekill · Mon 07/10/2002 12:45:26

I think we can all agree that the Yahtzee "reign of terror" is officially over now.
He seems sincerely appologetic over his behavior.
Hopefully we can all put it behind us and accept him back into the community should he choose to come back.

J. L. · Mon 07/10/2002 17:39:23

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Mon 07/10/2002 05:13:30He wasn't a very secure person, and I don't think he had much in Real Life to make him feel good about himself.

I know I'm not welcome here myself, but I just happened to read this, and I find it really truthful (in general).

J. L.

m0ds · Mon 07/10/2002 17:42:03

But I thought he never wanted to come back again?

CFCS sounds uncanally like Yahtzee's brother we never knew about, or something.

m0ds

Adamski · Mon 07/10/2002 17:52:10

J. L. ? Could it be another infamous AGSer i've heard rumours of?

Talk about the past coming back to confuse all of us who joined post July 2001

C-SFS · Mon 07/10/2002 18:14:26

QuoteCould CSFS perhaps be...

No, he couldn't...

Nah... I'm just imagining things...

You are. I just read his site, and the update containing that quote above. Have a look at his message board - I am CSFS, he is Yahtzee.

What do you mean, an odd thing to say? I just mean that it's substantially less likely to offend me when I don't live in the country in question

m0ds · Mon 07/10/2002 19:10:16

SCARY THREAD ALERT! You're right DS!

Hi Jeremie!

m0ds

Trapezoid · Mon 07/10/2002 19:28:31

Quote from: Esseb on Mon 07/10/2002 12:25:45Sorry to chime in here, but Trap, seeing as the crows nest got started from scratch again, your games are not in the new games list. They looked really interesting, got them on the net somewhere?

http://home.adelphia.net/~trapezoid/crashsetup.exe
http://home.adelphia.net/~trapezoid/mstsetup.exe

There they are. They're kinda buggy, made in TGF (compiled in MMF), but the engine's pretty damn good considering that TGF doesn't have any easy solutions for pathfinding, inventory engines, etc.
Hope fully they'll run.

edmundito · Mon 07/10/2002 21:18:50

Trapezoid is the l33th4x0r of Clickteam programs-made adventure game engines. Oh, and Igor too....

Esseb · Mon 07/10/2002 21:22:59

Hm, can't seem to download them. And yeah I copied the whole of the urls.

Osiris · Mon 07/10/2002 22:02:43

Sounds like LOTR
It started with the forging of the Great engine. This started Middle AGS. The forging of the great scripts, one was given to the... um yeah. But one sought to take controll. Yatzee deep with in the fire of mount doom, wrote a script beyond any other. One script to rule them all one script to bind them, one script to controll them all, and into his egotistical rants bind them. One last stand was taked with the forging of road kill. Yahtzee was again defeated.
And the Yatzee left forever. But time went on, and thing were forgotton that shouldn't have, and the script awaits the day when... Never mind
It should be forgotton. now lets drop it.

Trapezoid · Mon 07/10/2002 22:33:18

Hm. Well, I'm uploading both files in a zip, that should work.

Games.zip

(I'm in the middle of uploading it right now, so don't try to download it within the next, uh, 6 minutes. I guess.)

Ben · Mon 07/10/2002 23:31:27

I agree that we should put the whole Yahtzee issue behind us. It happened a long time ago, and he even apologized, as our mysterious friend CSFS pointed out. So let's all be friends now..

How about a group hug?

Las Naranjas · Tue 08/10/2002 02:12:35

Osiris-You came too late sorry. Ghormak beat you to the punch with a very similair analogy where he rewrote the intro to the Movie.

and on another note

holy fucking mother of god.
Yahtzee's in the other thread.

Jeremie is here.

What other ghosts will re-appear?

Greg Hurst?

Bubba?

Kittywisdom?

Motive1Master?

I'd like to say that all we said about Yahtzee in the other thread also applies to you Jeremie.

Feel free to come back.

DGMacphee · Tue 08/10/2002 04:31:32

[Jack Nicholson]CSFS, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!![/Jack Nicholson]

cornjob · Tue 08/10/2002 23:00:45

Didn't Greg Hurst come back to visit only a few months ago?

Helm · Wed 09/10/2002 00:25:26

Yahtzee, jeremie lubroso... seems like it's 99 all over again...

J. L. · Wed 09/10/2002 13:11:53

Quote from: Las Naranjas on Tue 08/10/2002 02:12:35I'd like to say that all we said about Yahtzee in the other thread also applies to you Jeremie.

Feel free to come back.

I really don't know what to say... thank-you...

Las Naranjas · Thu 10/10/2002 02:13:10

no worries

JD · Thu 10/10/2002 13:38:17

Hey Jeremie, it's me. JD. Long time no see man.

m0ds · Thu 10/10/2002 16:43:51

Motive1Master was chatting in #ags the the other week in fact, ARGH!111

It's a plague of zombies!!

m0ds

Helm · Sat 12/10/2002 11:58:53

for whatever it goes,in case Jeremie is going to return, I bear no active ill feeling towards him. Meaning, that I will not try to blemish his name at any rate, while my personal oppinions on him will remain just that, personal. In case you were wondering, Jeremie.

Scruffie · Sat 26/04/2003 20:59:19

Lol, CSFS is one of Yahtz's weekend posters.

Is there any link to Yahtz's parting post, so that I may read it for myself? I'll probably search for it, but bleh... I'm far to lazy to move the mouse all the way up to the top of the screen... good god, even thinking about it makes me tired... er, bye.

OneThinkingGal and ._. · Sat 26/04/2003 21:34:42

Can we stop talking about yahtzee already?

Adamski · Sat 26/04/2003 21:34:49

Blargh.

Stop.

Now.

:

Pumaman · Sat 26/04/2003 21:52:17

Alright, this whole Yahtzee topic has been done to death several times now.

In conclusion, the upshot is:
1. Yahtzee's style of humour upset people, and his parting post was somewhat infamous.
2. That parting post was made on the old ezboard forums, and is so old that it was erased off the end of the last page. Sorry, no way to see it.
3. Yahtzee has been invited back to the community but politely declined, saying that he is no longer really into making games.
4. Time heals all wounds, and with respect it has been 2 years or so since he departed, so let's get over it already.
5. Any future threads started on the topic of Yahtzee will locked or deleted at the moderator's discretion.

Thank you, come again.