My Plan for Paedophiles

[Stupot]

I don't assume that your friend, or anyone who has such thoughts, will some day act on his attractions.  I do however, think that if these attractions are sexual (as opposed to merely admiring a pretty face) then it's surely a wise idea to be very careful and tell somebody incase these thoughts turn into something unsavoury.

All paedos probably started off with a mild attraction for younger children.  But I bet they didn't tell anybody, kept it secret, hidden and allowed it to grow, and before you know it they've got a PC full of child pron, newspaper clippings and polaroids all over their bedsit walls and bloodied shovel in the cupboard.  Now if they'd sought advice early on when it was just a budding fetish they might have been able to avoid the whole fucking mess.

[TerranRich]

See, that's the difference between you and I. I've had the chance to talk to a "pedo" in depth and pick his brain. Your assumptions as to what all pedophilia-minded people will eventually do someday are pretty ridiculous. Sure, a percentage of them will do that, but not really. His attraction is a mixture of admiration for beauty and sexual attraction. Many people assume that pedophiles will all turn to a life of kidnapping, rape, and possibly murder. Some do, but not all. I've talked to people online that have semi-jokingly admitted to some pedophilia-related thoughts and desires. If as many people as I think have these thoughts, then we're soon going to be crawling with child rapists and murderers, according to your assumptions.

[Stupot]

I'll repeat.

I don't assume that your friend, or anyone who has such thoughts, will some day act on his attractions.

I'm not making any assumptions.  I'm simply saying all of the kidnapping and raping paedophiles didn't just suddenly decide one day to become a what they are.  It started from something seeminlgy innocent. 

I'm just saying people who have "seemingly innocent" attractions should be very careful not to let it get out of control.

How can you not agree with that?

[lo_res_man]

Well it seems to me that it was implied. We can all agree that TerranRich's friend was a "paedo" right? In the same sence even a normal homo-hetrosexual virgen is an adult-o-phile.

All paedos probably started off with a mild attraction for younger children.  But I bet they didn't tell anybody, kept it secret, hidden and allowed it to grow, and before you know it they've got a PC full of child pron, newspaper clippings and polaroids all over their bedsit walls and bloodied shovel in the cupboard

Of course a paedos could also mean someone who has already commited a crime, but then what is an virgan? Are yoo saying until they have asexual encounter they don't HAVE a sexual preferance. Surely your not implying that

[Raggit]

When we were little kids, I and my sister used to go to the same little church as a pedophile who molested his own daughters went to.  Ironic yes, that a pedophile went to church, but imagine how easy it would've been for him to get to me or my sister. 

Now, we were friends with these girls, and later on when we found out that he was doing all the sick stuff to them, we were shocked when we found out that they WEREN'T going to testify against him in court, and therefore he got away with what he did.   He probably threatened them, or guilted them, saying it was "their fault."  Whatever the case, he's still a free man as far as I know.  (They moved away a long time ago.)

Now a lot of people's reactions might be "CUT HIS BALLS OFF!!1," or "GIVE HIM THE CHAIR!!," but I don't honestly think that's the best course of action.  I know an eye for an eye is a popular philosophy, but it just seems that if we can't settle these issues in a humane way, we're in worse shape as a race than I thought.   

I'm not sure if there is or isn't a direct solution for this problem, or any other issues like these.  I haven't researched pedophilia as much as I have other criminal-types, like serial killers and so on.   But I still find this an interesting debate, so carry on!

Maybe a giant asteroid will strike the Earth and end complex issues such as these. 

[space boy]

Now a lot of people's reactions might be "CUT HIS BALLS OFF!!1," or "GIVE HIM THE CHAIR!!," but I don't honestly think that's the best course of action.  I know an eye for an eye is a popular philosophy, but it just seems that if we can't settle these issues in a humane way, we're in worse shape as a race than I thought.   

Of course I am all for a fair trial and the principle "innocent until proven guilty", but if it has been proven that a person has shown no respect for another persons human dignity then there should be no respect for the human dignity of the guilty person. Child molestors are scum. If their guilt has been proven they should be treated like scum.

[lo_res_man]

No they should be treated like criminals. That is what they are. The Law is the highest authority, and it is its job to decide what to do with these people. In a democracy we can change the laws, but we must NOT act outside it. Democrasy is a very fragile thing, we must not shatter it. Thousands of men and woman have given there all for this ideal, don't be so quick to discard it.

[space boy]

Damn it, I wasn't saying that we should act outside law or discard democracy(maybe you missed the "fair trial" and "innocent until proven guilty" bits in my post). Also "criminal" is a broad term. There are people who steal food because they are starving and cant afford food but they are otherwise "good" people and there are people who are driven by sick desires. Do you really believe that both should be treated equally after they have been proven guilty? I strongly disagree. A man who has raped a baby and then killed it is the worst kind of criminal. Treating that person with respect for his dignity is totally wrong.

[MillsJROSS]

I'm on the fence about this issue. I feel I should have more compassion to either side, but it's really hard to when we're attacking such a broad and general group of people. That being paedophiles. You just have to be attracted to young children to be grouped in this category. Rape, molestation, kidnapping, etc...Is wrong, no matter the age group. The only people I have any ill will against are those who act upon their thoughts, with no regard for anyone else, or even if they have regard, with no control over themselves.

I mean, I'm attracted to a lot of women my age, which society says is alright. But no one will throw a fit about that unless I rape them. So I can't really say I feel strong hatred to someone who hasn't acted on their thoughts.

Now once someone has acted, it becomes a different story. I don't like those people much at all. Of course, I can't perscribe a punishment on a general bunch of people. It should always be a case by case basis.

-MillsJROSS

[lo_res_man]

Damn it, I wasn't saying that we should act outside law or discard democracy(maybe you missed the "fair trial" and "innocent until proven guilty" bits in my post). Also "criminal" is a broad term. There are people who steal food because they are starving and cant afford food but they are otherwise "good" people and there are people who are driven by sick desires. Do you really believe that both should be treated equally after they have been proven guilty? I strongly disagree. A man who has raped a baby and then killed it is the worst kind of criminal. Treating that person with respect for his dignity is totally wrong.

but what of the man who has a stash of  child porn on his computer?This man is also considered a pedaphile. Yes, I agree somewhat that these men can metaphoricly be called scum,

[Stupot]

LRM

Sexual desire for young children is unhealthy.

Whether or not the person in question acted on this desire it is still not healthy.  I'm simply saying, and I'll say it again, that people with such desires should be very careful not to let them grow into  uncontrollable urges.

Paedophilia is an illness.  You've said it yourself LRM. Most people go to the doctor when they have an illness to try to avoid it from getting worse.

If I find a lump on my left breast, I go to the doctor to make sure it's nothing serious and stop it early if it is.  My point is that everyone who has a lump, however small and "seemingly innocent" it may be should get it checked out to make sure it doesn't grow into something altogether more unsavoury.

What are you saying?  We should wait until we have full blown Cancer before we decide if it's serious enough to tell someone about it?  Same with paedophilia, sometimes it might not be a serious criminal urge, but it's still unhealthy.  It's their duty to get it checked out and make sure it isn't going to get them into any trouble.  They'd be doing themselves a favour as well as the community at large.

[space boy]

but what of the man who has a stash of  child porn on his computer?This man is also considered a pedaphile.

Wacking off to movies of children being abused is not much different from abusing the children "directly". The only difference is that the scum and the children are not in the same place.

[InCreator]

So, that's why apes picked up things to use as weapons...

One can fantasize about anything, not a crime.

But active one, like one touching a child, well...
...I'd just shoot the fuckers. No court, no warnings, no imprisonment. A bullet.

[TerranRich]

Now once someone has acted, it becomes a different story. I don't like those people much at all. Of course, I can't perscribe a punishment on a general bunch of people. It should always be a case by case basis.

Bingo. That's how I look at it. My friend is perfectly capable of not raping a little child. There's a difference between an obsession and an attraction. I could be attracted to some girl, but until I become obsessed and start stalking her, it's not a problem. My friend doesn't go out of his way to ogle girls...he'll just happen to see one that he thinks is cute. Maybe she's wearing short shorts, or some other type of revealing clothing that he'll just glance at, then continue on his way. I'm open-minded enough to see what he sees, maybe even understand a little where his feelings come from, but they don't do anything for me, so I can't understand fully without literally being him.

Like I said, he lives a perfectly normal life with his fiancée.

[EldKatt]

[...] if it has been proven that a person has shown no respect for another persons human dignity then there should be no respect for the human dignity of the guilty person.

I know that this way of thinking is pretty common, so I might be disagreed with a lot, but as I see it this reasoning is so hypocritical and irrational that it makes me shudder. If that's a principle we want to act on, it's not hard to picture the human dominoes tumbling...

[Pumaman]

Wacking off to movies of children being abused is not much different from abusing the children "directly". The only difference is that the scum and the children are not in the same place.

So watching a porno is basically equivalent to rape?

[space boy]

I was talking about CHILD porn.

[Pumaman]

But you seem to be claiming that watching a video of a crime happen makes you as guilty as doing the crime yourself. Does this mean that if you watch a video of someone being beaten up, then you should also be jailed for assault?

[space boy]

But you seem to be claiming that watching a video of a crime happen makes you as guilty as doing the crime yourself. Does this mean that if you watch a video of someone being beaten up, then you should also be jailed for assault?

Of course not. I wasnt saying that merely watching those videos makes you a criminal. My point is that there are people who draw sick pleasure from those videos while not caring that what they are watching most likely happened against the childs will. They masturbate to children having sex. Watching jenna jameson do it is a different thing. It's adults who know what they are doing. No big deal. But we are talking about child porn and people who are turned on by children. Duh, do i really have to explain why this is wrong?

[Pumaman]

I'd agree that someone who is turned on by watching a child being molested is a very disturbed and sick individual. But if they would never actually go out there molest a child themselves, should they be treated as a criminal?
Disturbed? Yes. Criminal? Hmm.