Chickens are fed so much they can't even walk. Do you think they care how they die? If you were in their place Meowster, would you? Not really. And even if companies were forced to "respect" what they kill to make your food..they would. But still make the poor things suffer while alive, but well ...they'd treat them right before they kill them.
I never said anything about how they feel about dying, it's the life they lead before death that bothers me, and probably quite bothers them too. I don't understand what you're saying? "They'd make them suffer while alive but treat them right before they kill them"? What does this sentence mean?
So the point shouldn't be "They kill them without respect, don't buy products"
But "I'm willing not to eat chicken anymore, since they treat them without respect do the same so companies will consider a different approach."
I think you've entirely missed the point I've made over and over again. You can buy free range meat from butchers, that is certified as having come from farms with good animal welfare practises. If you buy this meat instead of badly farmed meat, you are 1) helping to 'force' intensive farmers to change their practises since more people will be buying free range and 2) supporting the farmers with decent practises who already exist.
I'm not quite sure I get your point to be honest, but it sounds like you're saying the only way to change anything is to stop eating meat at all? Stupot
: I'm glad you're against the cruelty but if you don't believe it really happens on a wide scale then I can't really do much to change your mind. I've seen these places with my own eyes, it's a well known fact they exist, it's not just propaganda from animal rights activists. The people who claim they believe it's all just propaganda are usually the people who feel uncomfortable, in my experience, of buying this meat and want to pretend to themselves it isn't happening. But it is and if you don't believe that I don't know what to say to convince you.
Look at all the cheap meat products in the cheapest supermarkets - everything from frozen chicken pies to chicken tikka sandwich filler, or ham spread, or own brand mayonnaise... where do you think all this incredibly cheap meat comes from?ProgZ
: My issue is animal welfare AND hygiene too. The animal welfare one bugs me most as I don't buy cheap meat so I'm not putting myself at risk by eating it, whereas animals will continue to suffer horribly whether I avoid their meat or not
Also talking of Bird Flu, I believe that it was shown that the bird flu travelled by road routes used to transport cheaply produced live animals. Don't quote me because I'm not sure of the exact details, but I believe scientists proved that it mainly travelled because of humans, and not migratory birds etc. Then look at things like BSE which I believe originated from feeding cows cheap feed made of each others brains or something? So yeah the hygiene is a pretty fucking big issue and one definitely worth mentioning. Also if it helps people make a change to more ethically farmed meat and some animals are happier in the process, win