Topic: Tintin movie

[Ali]

I saw it this evening. I was annoyed to begin with that it was nearly impossible to see it in 2D.

*Shakes fist at 3D cinema*

But I did manage to see it in 2D. I'd say that it was as disappointing as I was expecting, if that weren't a little contradictory.

I think that the spirit of Tintin involves peril, intrigue and suspense. This film is built around bombastic, comically escalating action sequences which have far less charm than those of Jeunet or Chomet. There's very little mystery, though there are couple of nice jokes.

But the biggest problem for me is the design and animation. The character's exaggerated proportions jar with naturalistic motion-captured movement. The camera is constantly darting about in a manner that's more video game than cinema. And most importantly, Tintin and Haddock's faces look very odd. There's something distinctly uncanny about their distorted half-realism.

I think animation should me animated. And films should be projected in 2D. And sound is a fad, silent pictures are where it's at.

[Stupot+]

But the biggest problem for me is the design and animation. The character's exaggerated proportions jar with naturalistic motion-captured movement. The camera is constantly darting about in a manner that's more video game than cinema. And most importantly, Tintin and Haddock's faces look very odd. There's something distinctly uncanny about their distorted half-realism.

Weirdly, I saw these as good points.  I liked how 'real' they looked while retaining a somewhat 'cartoon' feel in the design and animation.  The constant darting about of the camera was for the benefit of those watching in 3D, I think.  If you don't like 3D anyway then you may not appreciate that, but I think Tintin made very impressive use of the 3D.  Possibly the best I've seen yet (not that I've seen very many, to be fair).

[Snarky]

I actually plan to construct a pair of 2D glasses, so I can go to 3D screenings without being annoyed by this stereoscopic nonsense. Tintin (for which there were no 2D screenings anywhere around where I live) wasn't as bad as some, but it's still an unnecessary effect that only detracted and distracted from the movie.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Tintin is not live in : Cartoon,Film,series,.....

I have to disagree.  Herge himself actively sought out Steven Spielberg to do an adaptation, but filming rights and the Indiana Jones films (along with ET) got in the way of production.  He was actually looking forward to Spielberg handling the adaptation because he felt he would do it justice if anyone could.  With that in mind, I'd imagine Herge would be quite happy with the end result and that his legacy will endure more or less unbutchered for an entirely new generation of children.

You can't say that of a lot of stuff lately, what with the remakes/reboots that completely piss on the originals.  At least Spielberg showed some reverence for the characters and the source material, when we all know he could have completely trendied up the characters, made Tintin a modern anti-hero type that's so popular these days, made Haddock a teatotaler to avoid parent concerns about alcoholism, took out all the guns and basically turned it on its head -- but he didn't.  In fact, the worst thing I've seen a rabid Herge fan shitsling about the entire movie is that:

A) It combines too many stories together (3, in fact).

B) Can get confusing.


Then you have people on the opposite spectrum saying the three stories weaved together quite well and that the entire thing flowed along at a good pace.

All I can say is that we should be happier when men with the kind of industry power Spielberg has take a MORE hand's off approach to the story adaptation and keep the screenwriters in line and faithful to the source material.

[Dualnames]

TIN-TIN is a bad movie. What kind of a brain is required to understand that. Well, unless you like Transformers. Then well.

[Secret Fawful]

I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin. And, well, I like that performance capture is being used to explore new ways of camera movement and cinematography. I don't really get the complaints against performance capture. Yeah, it's not hand-done animation. Yeah, it's relying on people's movements and not on cartoon exaggeration. And what of it. Tintin shouldn't be over-exaggerating reality anyway. He never did in the comics. Sure, the comedy was cartoon, but the movements and actions weren't.

What's a bad movie for you can be a great movie for someone else. It doesn't make them stupid. If you say so you're an ass.

[Ascovel]

I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin.

I think Dualnames sneaked in the title of the Bollywood giant robots film TIN-TIN (notice the difference in writing!), so that he could confuse everyone.

[Tabata]

I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin.

I think Dualnames sneaked in the title of the Bollywood giant robots film TIN-TIN (notice the difference in writing!), so that he could confuse everyone.

Dual is a little devil for sure 
           

[Snarky]

I don't agree at all with your suggestions those kind of (currently unpopular) ideological bits are barely noticeable - they're everywhere, even in the character designs. E.g. when the villains drawn in one episode, we're shown a "gag" about the devil taking them to hell. There are surprises like that every few pages (at least in the Tintins I read - the pre-war ones).

I was talking specifically about racism and propaganda, which were never really major components of the series, at least past the first two or three adventures. (Though the series does take strong political stances, for example against Japanese imperialism in The Blue Lotus.)

The example you mention doesn't seem to bear on that, and I can't really see how it's supposed to be offensive. Tintin didn't kill them, did he? I'm sure many cartoons and comics might do a similar gag today. Even so, I don't thinks it's representative. Now I don't have my albums to hand, but I'm pretty sure that stuff like this doesn't occur after the first few albums (at least in the redrawn color versions most are familiar with). Not because it's offensive, but because the series became more strictly realistic, occasional sci-fi elements aside.

Tintin was always a bit more "dangerous" than most comparable comics. This is a kid's series with drug smugglers and gangsters, where people do get killed on a regular basis.

[Ascovel]

Oh, I didn't mean Tintin is THAT offensive or has become completely inaccessible to the modern viewer. Not to me at least. But I can completely understand how some people don't always feel comfortable reading the series.

The example I mentioned is not a gag that might appear in todays mainstream fiction - it forces a particular religion's views and mythology on the reader within a non-fantasy, "realistic" story.

I think it happened in King Ottokar's Sceptre - the 8th episode.

[Dualnames]

I don't get the connection between Tintin and Transformers. Oh and it's Tintin, not Tin-Tin. And, well, I like that performance capture is being used to explore new ways of camera movement and cinematography. I don't really get the complaints against performance capture. Yeah, it's not hand-done animation. Yeah, it's relying on people's movements and not on cartoon exaggeration. And what of it. Tintin shouldn't be over-exaggerating reality anyway. He never did in the comics. Sure, the comedy was cartoon, but the movements and actions weren't.

What's a bad movie for you can be a great movie for someone else. It doesn't make them stupid. If you say so you're an ass.

Frankly, i find the inability to process the fact that tintin or TIN-TIN, has no potential as a movie created as all these franchises, before you even see the movie, a bit pathetic.

I am an ass, that is true. But we're talking about objectively good films. Tintin is a movie taken by a big studio, under a big name, and rebooted to the public. As every other film, it captures only those that mistakenly see the movie as something great. All the movie wants to ultimately do is make money. And that way they will sacrifice everything that the comic was good for. One of the few successful movies happens to be Batman. I can make a list of very bad movies that have been designed EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY, and yes, sorry that I'm being in the ass in the process to have you see that well the majority of films is just to milk your wallet.

Look at the superheroes films. I mean. They are bad. Very. Spiderman isn't even funny!!! If there's one thing I liked about Spiderman it's that it Spiderman was a cynical bastard. And instead I get an emo douchebag.

I frankly care couldn't care less about realistic movement and other effects. Effects don't make a good movie, effects just enhance the entertainment. I mean, it looks very good, but well, that still doesn't put a smile in my face.

Also Tintin and Transformers have in common the following:
-They are both familiar franchises somewhat a bit forgotten when the movies were out.
-They both have Spielberg (OMG PLOT TWIST)
-They both hint a sequel , in fact THEY TELL YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE.
-They both try to destroy already fantastic TV series.
-They both have a plot where it changes every 2 seconds, showing they are trying to cram up so many things as possible.


SECRET FAWFUL: Please don't consider me an ass, this is just my honest opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone, but this attitude towards these films, makes me go :/
I'm afraid though that I'm willing to stand my point, regardless.

[Snake]

Don't let them get to you, Duals. They are only bytes in my computer program.

[Snarky]

So Duals, your position is that anything that anyone tries to make money off of is invalidated as art or as entertainment?

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

(PS: The TV series was just an attempt to milk your wallet, funded by people willing to sacrifice what made the comics great in order to do so.)

[Dualnames]

So Duals, your position is that anything that anyone tries to make money off of is invalidated as art or as entertainment?

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

(PS: The TV series was just an attempt to milk your wallet, funded by people willing to sacrifice what made the comics great in order to do so.)

Right, that was exactly what i said.

[Secret Fawful]

Frankly, i find the inability to process the fact that tintin or TIN-TIN, has no potential as a movie created as all these franchises, before you even see the movie, a bit pathetic.

I am an ass, that is true. But we're talking about objectively good films. Tintin is a movie taken by a big studio, under a big name, and rebooted to the public. As every other film, it captures only those that mistakenly see the movie as something great. All the movie wants to ultimately do is make money. And that way they will sacrifice everything that the comic was good for. One of the few successful movies happens to be Batman. I can make a list of very bad movies that have been designed EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY, and yes, sorry that I'm being in the ass in the process to have you see that well the majority of films is just to milk your wallet.

Look at the superheroes films. I mean. They are bad. Very. Spiderman isn't even funny!!! If there's one thing I liked about Spiderman it's that it Spiderman was a cynical bastard. And instead I get an emo douchebag.

I frankly care couldn't care less about realistic movement and other effects. Effects don't make a good movie, effects just enhance the entertainment. I mean, it looks very good, but well, that still doesn't put a smile in my face.

Also Tintin and Transformers have in common the following:
-They are both familiar franchises somewhat a bit forgotten when the movies were out.
-They both have Spielberg (OMG PLOT TWIST)
-They both hint a sequel , in fact THEY TELL YOU RIGHT IN THE FACE.
-They both try to destroy already fantastic TV series.
-They both have a plot where it changes every 2 seconds, showing they are trying to cram up so many things as possible.


SECRET FAWFUL: Please don't consider me an ass, this is just my honest opinion. I am not trying to insult anyone, but this attitude towards these films, makes me go :/
I'm afraid though that I'm willing to stand my point, regardless.

Fair enough. I think the movie and comic are good for their own separate reasons, actually. I actually find the animated series the most lacking in a sense of worth. I read the comic for the adventures, but also for a piece of the time period, as well as Herge's artwork, which is some of the finest, smoothest artwork I've ever seen. It has a huge impact on my own artwork. I could stare at a Herge comic all day. In fact I read Tintin 75% FOR THE ART. So coming from that standpoint, how could I POSSIBLY want to even look at the movie?

Well, I'm interested in and excited about the movie for entirely different reasons. For one thing, I'm extremely interested to see what Spielberg does with another adventure property. I love Spielberg's films and style and the look of his films and I really can't think of one I didn't like even in recent times except War of the Worlds. I wanted to see him get the CHANCE to take a crack at Tintin, especially as Herge gave him his blessing. I was hoping for a return to form and inventiveness for Spielberg regarding memorable fast-paced action sequences. I'm also incredibly interested in performance capture and think it presents a lot of exciting possibilities. Unlike most, I don't hate Zemeckis for using it, and even if it didn't work under his helm, I respect that he kept TRYING. I don't care if he failed. Failure is required for success. I don't get the uncanny valley problem, nor do I care about it. I don't even understand it. I also wanted to see Peter Jackson and Spielberg work together, and Moffat is an incredible writer. Everything I've heard makes me think this movie will deliver what I want: a Raiders-esque action flick that doesn't give you time to breathe. I don't want time to breathe with this movie. Shrug. I don't even want a backstory. I want Spielberg-action set pieces that I can walk out of the theater remembering, and I want performance capture that much closer to gaining respect.

I like ideas that don't fully work. I like it when people fight for those ideas and fight to get them to work. Motion capture is getting a lot of the same fire rotoscoping got back in the day, and rotoscoping has turned out in some incredibly quality work. Oh, and I wanted to hear John William's take on Tintin as well. Honestly, I could say this stuff about any property. I can say I'd love Spielberg's take on Batman or Scooby Doo or Heart of Darkness, etc. and a John Williams score to accompany. Because the plain fact is, I would enjoy seeing how it turned out, whether it worked or not.

As far as the animated series, I enjoy it, but I don't see a great deal of worth in it. It copies the comics to the letter, doesn't give me anything new or exciting to look forward to, and I would much rather look at Herge's original artwork on the still page than see it animated by people who aren't him. I credit performance capture at least because it's trying to take it as close to reality as it needs to be. Tintin in its purest form is a slight exaggeration of reality. It's not really a cartoon as much as it is a CARICATURE, and that's why it's perfect for performance capture, because performance capture works best as only a slight exaggeration of reality. Performance capture also works best with caricatures, not with cartoons. Gollum, emaciated and grotesque, is only a slight exaggeration of a sickly, thin, small human with more goblinesque features. A real actor could never play Gollum that close to the vest without becoming severely ill and in grave danger. Gollum is too much of a caricature to be portrayed accurately enough by an actor. I think the same goes for Herge's characters, who are all caricatures, sometimes to the point of being generalized, semi-racist figures. But yeah, I've rambled on enough.

[Monsieur OUXX]

TIN-TIN is a bad movie.

Someone who misspells the name of the main character is not allowed to give his opinion. On anything. 

[Dualnames]

TIN-TIN is a bad movie.

Someone who misspells the name of the main character is not allowed to give his opinion. On anything. 

I apologize, but well, ten-ten is how we call him in greece. And they usually had the -.

[Monsieur OUXX]

is how we call him in greece.

We call those Helados.

[Snake]

So Duals, your position is that anything that anyone tries to make money off of is invalidated as art or as entertainment?

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

(PS: The TV series was just an attempt to milk your wallet, funded by people willing to sacrifice what made the comics great in order to do so.)

Right, that was exactly what i said.

Someone who misspells the name of the main character is not allowed to give his opinion. On anything. 

I apologize, but well, ten-ten is how we call him in greece. And they usually had the -.

We call those Helados.

Well, in any case...

[mylesblasonato]

I can't wait to go see it

Cheers,
Myles Blasonato.