Forge: Loom sequel (updated Dec 17th, 2013)

[Abisso]

You guys deserve a medal for getting this gauntlet interface to work so flawlessly in AGS. I'm racking my brains trying to figure out how you coded it. It's great.

Wow, this is the best comment a programmer can receive. I'm flattered...
But, to be honest, there's a whole lot of amazing AGS games from the scripting standpoint. Quoting them all would make a long, long list, really.

Still

you guys did an amazing job! 
I have spent already a few hours on chapter 1 and I really love it!!! 
but now I am stuck without a clue and so I created a help thread for your game.

however, keep on the good work!

A few hours, you say? Hrmm... one thing I never took the time to calculate, nor ask to the testers is the length of the game, but it's very interesting to know it's already in that range. I'm positive the full game will be longer than Loom (which is not hard to achieve, since it was quite short).
Glad you're enjoying it so far and you managed to solve that puzzle, in a way or another!

[Secret Fawful]

Oh man, you even added in something special for playing on Christmas Day? That attention to detail: WOW.

[Abisso]

Knowing someone dedicated some minutes of his time to play during Christmas is "WOW", actually!

And I also appreciate the nice comment, of course.

P.S. You should update the link on your signature's banner! I clicked hoping to discover a "A Night at Camp Ravenwood: Chapter One" and instead it brought me to the old forums' address.
P.P.S. I have high hopes for your game, so please post an update! I have things to tell / ask about it, but I don't want to dig an old thread unnecessarily. You've got a PM.

[Secret Fawful]

Thanks for pointing out the link error in my signature! I've been so focused on the game itself I never even thought about it.

[Monsieur OUXX]

A small critics: please, PLEASE make it possible for the main character to walk faster. It made me give up on the graves puzzles just because I was going crazy walking to each grave several times to read the clues.

(But don't let that spoil the happiness: that's a great, great game with an amazing level of quality)

[Abisso]

A small critics: please, PLEASE make it possible for the main character to walk faster. It made me give up on the graves puzzles just because I was going crazy walking to each grave several times to read the clues.

(But don't let that spoil the happiness: that's a great, great game with an amazing level of quality)

Eheheh... I can't even imagine what your reaction would have been if you had tested the first beta then! The character used to walk even slower.

I usually dislike inhuman speed in characters just for the sake of the player's comfort. I believe a universe needs some realism to appear coherent and keep the immersion in the game constant. I especially dislike teleportation, for instance, while I think maps are a great way to reduce the need to walk. But I do agree that, especially in some Sierra games, the need to cover long distances again and again by walking was a bad design choice. Is this really the case in Forge?
Anyway, if this fix will be requested by many, I'll surely apply it so I'm really happy that you brought this point up. I think I'll open up a poll in our Forums in the next few days, as I did with the testers during the beta.

[Radiant]

This looks very good! So how many chapters are you planning on?

Small request: could you please make a right-click on a hotspot act as two left-clicks, so that I don't have to double-click everywhere just to look at things?

[Abisso]

This looks very good! So how many chapters are you planning on?

Small request: could you please make a right-click on a hotspot act as two left-clicks, so that I don't have to double-click everywhere just to look at things?

The game has 5 Chapters, but their length varies greatly. The 1st one is about 1/3 of the entire game, for example. Anyway this whole "chapters" thing is somewhat misleading, as I'm not releasing the game in chapters. There won't be a Forge: Chapter Two, for example. I want to release the full game as the next (and last) step. I didn't know how to call the current demo, and "demo" would have been misleading as well, since this is exactly how the first part will look in the complete game. My bad for all this confusion.

The main reason for the double-click system is faithfulness to Loom; I was looking for a useful function to assign to the right-click, though, and this seems a possibility to take into account. The other one is having r-click clear the currently selected hotspot, instead.

Thanks for the feedback!

[Marquillin]

I made an account at the Forge forums, but then I thought it'd be better to post feedback here where the discussion seems hotter.

All in all I really love the fruit of your loom - er, I mean efforts - it pretty much feels like the old classic game just continued it's story!  And as this is a story I've loved for a long while, I'm very grateful to see it continue at last.  And I do believe it was a bug free experience.  Well done.

So let's talk about story/design/presentation instead.  Mostly little things.

- First off I feel that the Tombstone puzzle is, if not broken, very bent.  I love the basic design as you gradually figure out what is wanted, but there are a lot of words on both the poem and epitaphs that weren't a part of the solution, nor had they an obvious reason to be disregarded.

Spoiler

There's the word "heart" on the forth tomb.  "Fire(wood)" and "Bright(ly)" are on the third and seventh tomb (though these aren't used at all).  Soul is on the eighth tomb (which makes one wonder wither to use a stone twice).  Another issue is the forth and first stanza introduces not seeing a noun/verb represented, but instead translating the meaning, which I thought was also possible with paring the seventh line with the sixth stone as well as the last line with the second stone.  Lastly the second line has two words to find, which is also possible on the third and fifth line. 

It might be alright to have red herring words, if there was some way to see that those lines were less important then the ones to follow, like if they were actions rather then descriptions, but I can't see any.

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I am the sort who tries not to turn to a walk-through, especially if I'm loving the game, but I did after hours of trying and I'm glad I did as I felt like I did everything that made sense (even tried to pick up that firewood as a way to physically strike the emblem of the anvil) and I didn't say "ah, of course" when I saw the whole solution - I just felt glad I didn't keep guessing a semi-random combo.

- Pressing space to pause is great, but it would be better if it didn't cancel out the line being spoken at the time of the pressing.

- Regarding the schematics:  I love the concept, similar enough to the original Drafts but based on visual memory rather then auditory.  Surprisingly my memory for these seem better then it was for Loom, even though I'm generally an auditory learner).  Perhaps, for more of a challenge, the reversed schematics should be backwards and upside down, possibly just on the Expert setting?  Maybe this would be harder then I know if it conflicts with patterns you've already designed.

- Hephestus tells Rusty to step aside, and they both take a small step forward, but it's not evident that he was in the way of him or the appearing statues.

- Chaos promises to restore consciousness to the dead?  Don't they already have that, seeing as how they are conversing fine?  Well maybe not that first ghost you meet, but the one who explains it all could.

- Since you obviously care about fidelity, I will question the main voice actor.  He does sound like a professional (they all sound good actually), but didn't Rusty have an Irish accent originally?  Of course he seemed to be the only blacksmith with one (even his father was English!) so I can understand the reason for the change - I prefer to play the non talkie version of loom anyway.

- Dialogue portraits harken to the original nicely, even if they aren't full screen.  It be really effective if they still changed with their temper though, if that's not asking too much of the pixel artists .

The main reason for the double-click system is faithfulness to Loom; I was looking for a useful function to assign to the right-click, though, and this seems a possibility to take into account. The other one is having r-click clear the currently selected hotspot, instead.

I'm not a scripter, but maybe it can be both?  If not then I'd choose the former and make the latter be the middle mouse button as it seem least important if people have a 2 button mouse.

Thanks again.

Spoiler

P.S. I've attained Upright, Guesser, Message, Swan Dance, Clumsy (oh god, and I really thought that would work!), Seeker and Blacksmith.  Think I should keep looking through in this demo?

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[Abisso]

Hello Marquillin. Thanks for the detailed account of your gaming experience! I appreciate this kind of reviews the most.

About the Tomb Puzzle: it seems improvable, that's for sure, and most of what you say makes sense. Red herrings have to be reduced to a minimum. I'd like to keep it a fairly difficult puzzle anyway, at least at Expert proficiency mode; as a matter of fact, it's much easier at Practice Mode at the moment, but identically difficult at Standard and Expert.
First thing to do will be remove some of the most evidently "wrong" red herrings for all Modes.
Then I think I could evidence the important lines in the riddle visually, at least for the Standard / Practice Modes.

On the other hand, though, I need to point out that the majority of the testers didn't get stuck with that puzzle. At the time there was no walkthrough, so I'm fairly sure they did it by reasoning and a bit of trial and error. By going randomly, the puzzle is close to impossible to solve, but if you exclude some combinations, it's still solvable even if you don't know the exact sequence. But this is not the intended way to solve it, anyway: I want a player to be unsure between at most 3-4 combinations, not 20. So thanks for your detailed list of flaws, which will help me greatly in fixing the puzzle.

Pause clearing dialogue lines: I'll see if that issue can be addressed.

Schematics: as you already suspected, the way the grid upgrades are designed makes it impossible to do what you suggested with reversed schematics. Anyway, rest assured: your memory will be stressed a bit more as the game progresses, because there will be more schematics, and their shape will be more complicated. Just as a reminder, there will be diagonal grid-bridges very soon.

Step aside: lol, nice spotted. It's one of those things that most people doesn't notice. And one of those that seeing hundreds of times makes it look correct even if it isn't (this is my case).

Dead Ones' consciousness: actually that DeadOne's consciousness has already been restored. He has chosen to serve Chaos, and so he did receive that in exchange.

Rusty's voice-actor: for as much as I care about fidelity (and I do a lot) I don't think this has to be taken too literally. Some games even go as far as contacting the original actors; but I think it's excessive. And to be honest, as you pointed out, I've always found it weird that Rusty had that accent, being the son of the Foreman. I didn't recognize it as Irish (not an easy task for an Italian guy like me!) but it sounded weird, for sure.
Moreover, Dylan Jones is a great actor in my honest opinion. He offered voluntarily and for free and he already provided about 900 unique speech-lines, which is already more than what an average complete game has. He's also an awesome guy, a passionate fan of Loom, and I couldn't ask anything better for the game.
I'm not implying the other actors are cheaper, of course and I'm sure it's quite evident for those who played the game.

Portraits: you know, originally the former project manager planned to have fullscreen portraits like in Loom (no-CD or FM-Towns version). He even had some of then done, but, to be honest, the efforts required to have those would have been enormous. Since there is a lot of mandatory art to be done, and since those portraits would require a very talented pixel-artist, it would have been a suicide to carry on with that plan. Moreover, the smaller portraits can't be simply downscaled versions of the bigger ones (very low res requires adjustments) and since those were definitely mandatory, it would have been an additional waste of time.
Funny thing is our current pixel-artist, Master Pixelmold, who's the main responsible for the current mini-portraits, misinterpreted one of the requests, and painted an awesome (yet unfinished) fullscreen portrait of Brix. I guess I'll show it:



Isn't it gorgeous? It almost made me reconsider the possibility to have some fullscreen dialogues. But this will only be done, if at all, when the game is complete. There are more pressing matters to be taken care of at the moment, like backgrounds and sprites.

Middle and Right clicks: surely it could be both, and the suggestion about the middle click to act as the least important "action" is very good as well. However, after thinking about it a while, allowing a single-click to act as a quick way to "walk to + interact" would be a pain in the a$$ (to use an euphemism). This is mainly due to the possibility to change your idea, which is something I usually appreciate in games (and it's not that frequent). As you can see, in Forge you can always change your idea after you clicked on something: you simply click on something else and Rusty goes there instead. Allowing "walk to + interact" with a single-click, while keeping the possibility to change your mind would be a pain, though absolutely possible.
I don't know if it's worth it, anyway, so I should probably open a poll and ask other players as well.


Thanks for all the useful input! And whether you already did that or not, spread the word! Pixelmold doesn't have the necessary time to do everything by himself and we need an additional pixel-artist if we want to speed-up the creation process.

[fózi]

What a fantastic game you have produced there. The art, attention to detail, voice acting seem really excellent! Professional quality.

I only had time to play the very beginning so far, unfortunately at the moment I don't have much spare time to play, but I'm looking forward to it, it's #1 in my playlist.

Thanks and congratulations for all your hardwork and making this happen.

Best regards
Fózi

[splat44]

Hi,

Is there something wrong with those files?
I've tried downloading installer and archive and I get the followings:

1) installer 'appears to malicious'1)
2) Archive 'archive content is an unknown file extension in which I'm not sure what to do with it!

Please review those files!

Edited
The problems is resolved! I simply need to right-click on download links and no problems!
Again, it best not clickinf on links for downloading, otherwise it will cause problems specified above!

Now still right-clicking on zip download link, the 2nd finding above still remains!

[Abisso]

What a fantastic game you have produced there. The art, attention to detail, voice acting seem really excellent! Professional quality.

I only had time to play the very beginning so far, unfortunately at the moment I don't have much spare time to play, but I'm looking forward to it, it's #1 in my playlist.

Thanks and congratulations for all your hardwork and making this happen.

Best regards
Fózi

Thanks to you for playing and for taking the time to express your appreciation. It means a lot, really.

Hi,

Is there something wrong with those files?
I've tried downloading installer and archive and I get the followings:

1) installer 'appears to malicious'1)
2) Archive 'archive content is an unknown file extension in which I'm not sure what to do with it!

Please review those files!

Edited
The problems is resolved! I simply need to right-click on download links and no problems!
Again, it best not clickinf on links for downloading, otherwise it will cause problems specified above!

Now still right-clicking on zip download link, the 2nd finding above still remains!

Hello!

Installer: just DON'T believe what your browser / antivirus / operating system tells you! Especially if it's a Wi(n)dows system. I guarantee 100% that the file is secure.
Archive: as I've written right before the link

"Don't get scared by the extension: ".tar" is actually a very common archive type, and 99% of the uncompressing utilities are able to open it. 7 ZIP is one of those (and it's free!)."

May I know which Operating System and browser are you using at the moment, anyway? And please let me know if you manage to play the game, in the end.

Thanks for getting in touch and for pointing out those potential issues.

Sincerely,
-Gabriele

[Dervish]

I started playing it and overall my experience has been great, however since you have said your intention is to next release the whole game and that this chapter is about equal to a third of the game,  I don't really want to finish this because I don't want to have to download it again and redo the puzzles that I have already done. So I guess I will wait patiently for you to finish the rest.  I liked the little achievements which can be unlocked, it is that attention to detail and added bonus content that seperates you and gives the game a real professional feel.  I am in agreement with many of the people I hope the rest of the game the story is more based on the players actions rather than going from exposition dump to info dump with a puzzle here and there.  One other more just a comment,  part of what I enjoyed about the original Loom was how it played off of Tchaikovsky composition.  Maybe introduce another composer might I recommend Holst Mars Theme?  Seems very fitting for coming tides of war and Rusty interturmoil... again Just a thought.  I love Loom and I think you have honored it well with what you are doing. Congrats on getting this far and please continue the hard work to its completion.  I would also love to help work on it, but coming in so late to the project might be difficult. 

[Marquillin]

Hello Marquillin. Thanks for the detailed account of your gaming experience! I appreciate this kind of reviews the most.

My pleasure.

On the other hand, though, I need to point out that the majority of the testers didn't get stuck with that puzzle. At the time there was no walkthrough, so I'm fairly sure they did it by reasoning and a bit of trial and error.

Well, it may be I'm not wholly smart enough for the Expert level, though I do prefer the challenge of it.  It felt like I covered all the possibilities multiple times, so I'd be interested to know the thought process of your play-testers - if they saw a pattern I didn't - and you might want to know if they came up with the same leads you expected as the designer.

Dead Ones' consciousness: actually that DeadOne's consciousness has already been restored. He has chosen to serve Chaos, and so he did receive that in exchange.

In that case I'm confused by the concept, because Rusty seems to still have consciousness though he has made no pact with Chaos.  Is consciousness something the dead gradually loose, maybe after the have passed into their respective afterlife?  If so, I suppose they don't need it in order to know they want to make a deal with ChaoS (as in a more emotional, subconscious decision, and it's their Ego they are reclaiming)?  It's a rather metaphysical area and could use more explanation (or perhaps earlier explanation if the rest of the game goes into it.)

Moreover, Dylan Jones is a great actor in my honest opinion.

Yeah, he is great.  I am satisfied and was only curious.

Isn't it gorgeous? It almost made me reconsider the possibility to have some fullscreen dialogues. But this will only be done, if at all, when the game is complete.

That is very classic loom, maybe just a few fullscreens at dramatic moments.  But the best part about them was, though they had no lip flapping, their expression would change to show their emotions front and center, and that could be done just as well with the small portraits.  It's actually nice having both sprite animation and the portrait on at the same time so that the eye can wonder where it likes.

I've noticed some other things to mention since my last post.:

- Once the mole breaks free, the music maybe should stay with that one intense piece no matter where you go so that the urgency stays in the players mind.

- Small art quibble; Lord Magnate's cloak looks like it is behind the arm of the throne rather then draped over.  I suppose the chair could be designed that way, but it does nag my mind as a bit weird.

- Rusty and the other sprites seem to be the size of the buildings on the overview of the city.  I suppose this may be necessary to see the sprites well, but you might try just two pixels if you haven't already.  Another (harder) way would be to make the buildings larger as they are already dwarfed by the garden's dome, though that has the drawback of making the cavern seem smaller.

- Did anyone else think that the schematic learned from the old woman was referring to the rocking of the chair?  Even though brittle is a more black-smithy kind of thing then rocking - maybe it just didn't occur to to me that the gloves could effect from organic things (I guess our bodies are just machines after all ).

part of what I enjoyed about the original Loom was how it played off of Tchaikovsky composition.  Maybe introduce another composer might I recommend Holst Mars Theme?  Seems very fitting for coming tides of war and Rusty interturmoil... again Just a thought.

I thought the same thing meself (without knowing which composer would be best (there were some interesting suggestions on the Forge forums if I recall)).  Though at the same time the composer that was chosen pulls off the tone of Loom very snugly, I wouldn't want to loose that.  Maybe there's room to reference parts of a public domain classical composer in with the new soundtrack.

[Construed]

Yea, I've played the game and I can tell you its 100% secure and 100% pro

[Abisso]

I started playing it and overall my experience has been great, however since you have said your intention is to next release the whole game and that this chapter is about equal to a third of the game,  I don't really want to finish this because I don't want to have to download it again and redo the puzzles that I have already done. So I guess I will wait patiently for you to finish the rest.  I liked the little achievements which can be unlocked, it is that attention to detail and added bonus content that seperates you and gives the game a real professional feel.  I am in agreement with many of the people I hope the rest of the game the story is more based on the players actions rather than going from exposition dump to info dump with a puzzle here and there.  One other more just a comment,  part of what I enjoyed about the original Loom was how it played off of Tchaikovsky composition.  Maybe introduce another composer might I recommend Holst Mars Theme?  Seems very fitting for coming tides of war and Rusty interturmoil... again Just a thought.  I love Loom and I think you have honored it well with what you are doing. Congrats on getting this far and please continue the hard work to its completion.  I would also love to help work on it, but coming in so late to the project might be difficult. 

Heya. I understand your decision of postponing the play, if it's mostly to have a complete and uninterrupted experience; but if it's just because you don't want to be forced to play the first part again, it's a non issue. The game is linear, which means however you reach the end of Ch.1 you are in the same exact condition of any other player. For this reason, when the game is ready, I can easily share a savegame that takes players just before the end of Ch.1.
The only difference could be unlocked Rewards (I'm glad you like them!): but they are stored on separate files and the system has already been developed to be compatible with the future instalments of the game. You just have to keep the files r.dat, g.dat and s.dat that are stored in the main game folder. They are not uninstalled by default, so you can even use the integrated uninstaller and get rid of everything else but them.

Well, it may be I'm not wholly smart enough for the Expert level, though I do prefer the challenge of it.  It felt like I covered all the possibilities multiple times, so I'd be interested to know the thought process of your play-testers - if they saw a pattern I didn't - and you might want to know if they came up with the same leads you expected as the designer.

No, no, wait a minute. This is unacceptable for me to hear and totally distant from what I wanted to imply. Your review and suggestions show you're exactly the opposite of what you said: you're definitely attentive, reasoning, precise; and thus smart. You noticed and organized all the flaws in the puzzle like no one else before you and they all look reasonable points. It's true that most testers seemed to solve the riddle, but I also received complaints from a few of them, and from other players. I absolutely need to improve that part of the game, and you made the task easier.

In that case I'm confused by the concept, because Rusty seems to still have consciousness though he has made no pact with Chaos.  Is consciousness something the dead gradually loose, maybe after the have passed into their respective afterlife?  If so, I suppose they don't need it in order to know they want to make a deal with ChaoS (as in a more emotional, subconscious decision, and it's their Ego they are reclaiming)?  It's a rather metaphysical area and could use more explanation (or perhaps earlier explanation if the rest of the game goes into it.)

You see, this is another example of fine use of the brain. You found a bit of a paradox, and you even sorted out how effectively things are supposed to be. You see, people retain their consciousness for some time when they die. This is necessary for them to reach their Guilds' Havens. As soon as they are in the safety of the Havens, they remain forever like the Transcended Ones: fully conscious and with a physical shape that's reminiscent of their Guild's qualities. Some souls are rejected by their Guilds, though, and thus they wander the Outside, which is hollow, endless and solitary enough to drive anyone nuts and make the residual conscience fade away. One example of this condition is the first Dead One.
The 2nd one, as I said, already accepted Chaos' offer and had his consciousness restored. I never actually thought about the apparent paradox implied: how can the Dead One understand the bargain, unless he already has his consciousness?
But it's an easily solvable paradox. Chaos can give, Chaos can take, and it's VERY powerful. It's enough for Chaos to restore the consciousness to a Dead One, ask him obedience in exchange for the chance to KEEP that conscience, or else it will be taken away once again.
Does this seem reasonable to you?

Of course, not all of this is perfectly explained in the game, so far. There will be a more deep understanding of Chaos and its minions in the rest of the game (this has already been planned and 100% sure). Not everything should be explained, however: what's most important is that it makes sense in some way.

That is very classic loom, maybe just a few fullscreens at dramatic moments.  But the best part about them was, though they had no lip flapping, their expression would change to show their emotions front and center, and that could be done just as well with the small portraits.  It's actually nice having both sprite animation and the portrait on at the same time so that the eye can wonder where it likes.

I'll see what I can do. Maybe a couple of very important dialogues could use those, or I could simply integrate the facial expressions in the small portraits (it's already like it, to some small extent: check the Old Lady).

I've noticed some other things to mention since my last post.:

- Once the mole breaks free, the music maybe should stay with that one intense piece no matter where you go so that the urgency stays in the players mind.

- Small art quibble; Lord Magnate's cloak looks like it is behind the arm of the throne rather then draped over.  I suppose the chair could be designed that way, but it does nag my mind as a bit weird.

- Rusty and the other sprites seem to be the size of the buildings on the overview of the city.  I suppose this may be necessary to see the sprites well, but you might try just two pixels if you haven't already.  Another (harder) way would be to make the buildings larger as they are already dwarfed by the garden's dome, though that has the drawback of making the cavern seem smaller.

- Did anyone else think that the schematic learned from the old woman was referring to the rocking of the chair?  Even though brittle is a more black-smithy kind of thing then rocking - maybe it just didn't occur to to me that the gloves could effect from organic things (I guess our bodies are just machines after all ).

I'll see what I can do with the first three, though this time you're really the 1st one to point those things out. The mole thing seems the most interesting to me. And oh wow, I never thought "Embrittle" could be mistaken for "Rocking". Now that you mention it, it's not so weird, but the dialogue right before the apparition of the schematic is supposed to make things clear. This will become less relevant in the full game, as it will be bundled with the Plates of Schematics (equivalent of Book of Patterns in Loom). You'll know the Schematic names, their origins and effects. I was unsure if I should add it to this release as well, but in the end I thought it would have been wasted for the few Schematics of Ch.1.

part of what I enjoyed about the original Loom was how it played off of Tchaikovsky composition.  Maybe introduce another composer might I recommend Holst Mars Theme?  Seems very fitting for coming tides of war and Rusty interturmoil... again Just a thought.

I thought the same thing meself (without knowing which composer would be best (there were some interesting suggestions on the Forge forums if I recall)).  Though at the same time the composer that was chosen pulls off the tone of Loom very snugly, I wouldn't want to loose that.  Maybe there's room to reference parts of a public domain classical composer in with the new soundtrack.

Nice, nice! Cause it's already been planned that way!
I cannot guarantee that this will become reality, but during the development of Ch.1 when all the music for that part was ready, I asked our musician to check a certain Composition of a certain Composer and see if he could take some parts and use them in the following Chapters. I don't want to spoil everything, and I'm not sure this will fit in the end, but it's definitely something I'd like to as well.
As a matter of fact I also have clearly in mind what I'd like to use as score in Fold, though this might seem "a bit" premature!

Yea, I've played the game and I can tell you its 100% secure and 100% pro

You're too kind good sir!

I would also love to help work on it, but coming in so late to the project might be difficult. 

It's never too late to have fun and be creative! Why don't you drop a message in the Project Assistance section of our Boards and tell us what are your fields of expertise, past experiences with game-making, and such? I've been trying to repeat over and over again that I'm looking for new team-members, after all! You could be one of them.


As always, thanks a lot to all of you guys.

[splat44]

Well, I am using windows 7 and browser is google chrome! So far I'm able playing the game. In term *.tar usually winrar is usually pretty good extracting tar file but I guest it isn't good as I thought! Again, not an issue any more!

[Abisso]

Well, I am using windows 7 and browser is google chrome! So far I'm able playing the game. In term *.tar usually winrar is usually pretty good extracting tar file but I guest it isn't good as I thought! Again, not an issue any more!

I'm glad you've managed to play the game in the end. Let me know your opinion about it as soon as you complete it!

[Janos Biro]

I've completed the first chapter and I'm absolutely amazed! This game is fantastic! Every detail about it is in the right place. Loom is one of my favorite games ever, and so far this is the most awesome AGS project I saw. It's a shame it still didn't got all the attention it deserves.

At first, I thought about writing you to say that it's "too much like Loom". Loom is unique, there can be no sequel worth of Brian Moriarty genius. But then I realized that you are making your own game after all. A new unique game, with a new unique design and game mechanic. I believe you can do it, because it looks very promising. I'm willing to help in any way I can. Thanks for this marvelous initiative.