The Fall Of Homepage Of Usher (or AGS Site Revival and other stories)

Started by WRK, Thu 19/03/2015 12:01:49

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WRK

Good Evening,

If you're reading this it means I'm already dea... sorry, wrong lettter.
Let me start by saying that I'm a person of rather peculiar condition
involving chaotic neural wiring so there is no easy way for me to
explain exactly how I ended here. Short story would be this:

Few days ago I was following AGS forum activity that was revolving
around subject of lacking forum activity or at least its smaller proportions
in comparision to Golden Years of AGS. And so being curious mind, I started
to think and wonder about that subject in my own free time. How to spark
a fire and motivation in people starting with AGS? How to inspire and show
them what's AGS is all about?
I guess I've made some kind of quantum leap, because I've focused on a homepage,
reasoning that everything starts from a homepage. After all "first impressions
are everything" (not entirely true, still there's some truth in that statement).
So I recalled my own first impressions of AGS site, the dread and horror
of early 00's design and the labyrinths of text that you have to solve in
search of information.
If it wasn't for my own now-or-never motivation I would probably surrender.

So I've made this.

Yes, it's just another website Yet, it's also completly different website.
Actually it's just a rough draft of an actual website with passages of unholy
Lorem Ipsum instead of text but I hope you'll get the idea.

I've tried to follow contemporary design standards, making things clearer
and more readable. I've tried to make this site inspiring,
focusing on main attributes of AGS and showing finished games
(I've always wondered about this, if most of the AGS games have really
stunning and beauttiful artwork, why making the photos so small?).

And here comes the Community part.
I'm not a html/php wizard at all. But maybe there is someone who actually know
this occult lore. Main header graphic is something I "borrowed" from internet
(for the purpose of illustrating my point), but I know that there are many
talented people who could do sometthing similiar, if not better. I guess we
could make some kind of forum contest for that, making main graphic on random
rotation showing off the best AGS artists or something.

Anyway, I've just heard steps on the staircase and grim banging at my door
so I think my time is up (so this probably was the right letter from the beginning).
Then let me just ask You... Is this a good idea? Do AGS need a new website?
Are there people willing to participate or I've just gone completly mad?

Retro Wolf

I've often thought the site could do with a refresh.
The mockup you've created is excellent, the only thing wrong with it is that I can't see any of my games featured! ;)

cat

Well, the site you are seeing now is the refreshed version. Just a few years back the site would look like this, and it took quite a long time to get the current version up and running.

KodiakBehr

First, the mock-up looks very pretty.  I'm a fan.  I'm also supportive of measures that support the social aspect of the community, though we're already so very good at that.

QuoteIs this a good idea?

It's not a bad idea.

QuoteDo AGS need a new website?

Probably not.  Membership continues to grow all the time and the community is pumping out a ton of games.  But that doesn't mean a new website isn't nice for it's own sake.

QuoteAre there people willing to participate or I've just gone completly mad?

I'd be happy to help with any writing.

Lasca

I'm sold! I haven't actually thought much about the site, and I think it looks alright, but your mockup is awesome! It looks modern and fun, but most of all inviting. It makes me want to make adventure games. Your new version makes me think the site would benefit from an update.

Snarky

I think the current version still looks pretty decent, but your proposal does seem more modern and sleek, definitely.

Two things I would adjust (if this were to go forward):
-I'm not sure about the banner. Dragon silhouettes? I don't know what it is or what it has to do with AGS
-I think the games database (which is now in the thousands, not just hundreds, of games) should be featured more prominently (more so than in the current design as well)

So, for example, what if the banner was an animated gallery of screens from AGS games (probably a curated selection of good-looking ones, since it's meant to look enticing), and clicking outside of the center region would bring you to it in the db?

But the thing is, making a landing page (mockup) is the easy part. Redesigning the whole rest of the website to match is the tough bit. But good luck to you! :-D

[delete}

I'd like to see a longer frontpage with more functionality. It should make new users really wanting to join the community.

WRK

Quote from: KodiakBehr on Thu 19/03/2015 15:26:13
I'm also supportive of measures that support the social aspect of the community, though we're already so very good at that.

That's the thing I would like to argue about. Well, maybe not to argue,
just talk/write about things I noticed.
I'm a new member of this community so I understand that I don't have
much of credibility (but this will be actually my point later on)
but please bear with me.

I think there are some problems with forum activity exposure, for example:
last MAGS contest produced really incredible games like
IAMJASON (downloaded 447 times),
Scenario 5B (downloaded 192 times),
and The Furthest Station (downloaded 65 times).
Yet the number of people voting for those games was... 8!

Now that is just weird.

I'm ashamed that I'm one of the people who played and enjoyed those games but didn't vote,
not that I didn't want to, I was actually looking foward to do so, but I've lost and forgot
the thread which was buried somewhere in the forum (and I'm browsing through forum
few times a day). The only reason I've got involved in beta testing AGS Award client
is because there were huge, red letters on top of forum posts. Another example would
be the fact that after spending two months here, by accident I found out that there
is awesome AGS podcast made by people from this community. I realise that many
old-timers here have no problem navigating through this forum, knowing how to find
that stuff or where to look for, but then again as a new member I must say that it's
rather difficult for me.

Sure, new website won't solve all of those things but maybe we can try
to figure out some other ways to do so. Kindly. :)

[delete}

It's a shame
That AGS has no future
But it's also not surprising
And everyone warned AGSers about it


                 (Mark Blake)

xil

Firstly, love the mock ups, looks a little bit like Enfold which is an awesome WordPress template, very easy to set up.

I think part of the reason AGS suffers in regards to MAGS votes and such is that this is primarily a developer community. If you set up AGS to be similar to GameJolt for example then you would probably get a much better response but let's face it, the AGS forum joining method is literally there to stop certain people joining (I've no issue with that, btw).

Trouble is, something like GameJolt is a huuuuuge undertaking, and I like AGS for what it is. But perhaps it needs to move more with the times e.g. browser based AGS games anyone? ;)
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Cassiebsg

Quote from: WRK on Thu 19/03/2015 17:05:43
I'm ashamed that I'm one of the people who played and enjoyed those games but didn't vote,
not that I didn't want to, I was actually looking foward to do so, but I've lost and forgot
the thread which was buried somewhere in the forum (and I'm browsing through forum
few times a day). The only reason I've got involved in beta testing AGS Award client
is because there were huge, red letters on top of forum posts. Another example would
be the fact that after spending two months here, by accident I found out that there
is awesome AGS podcast made by people from this community. I realise that many
old-timers here have no problem navigating through this forum, knowing how to find
that stuff or where to look for, but then again as a new member I must say that it's
rather difficult for me.

This little link on the top of the forum page (right under your nickname) should help you out with finding all/most topics that have something new. ;) "Show unread posts since last visit."
I use it on a daily basis, and it covers 90% of my forum needs (it's just missing flagging eventual editing on the last post, and if no one posts on a topic that I'm meant to return to at a later time, I may have a hard time finding the post/or forget about it).
And on the question of MAGS voting, I've noticed it tends to be rather low every month... I must admit I dwled all 3 but this month been rather hard and I've only had time to play one of them yet. :-[ So did not thought it would be fair to vote.
There are those who believe that life here began out there...

Myinah

I love your mock up and fully support a change to the current site. The design is very contemporary and slick and makes me want to spend time on the page. It is aesthetically pleasing, well done.

Additionally I was happy to see Woo the Witch in the character line up :)

Darth Mandarb

I think it's good to start this "website redesign" discussion!  Get the ball rolling!  It should be up and running by 2019!!

WRK

Ah, thank you all for comments. I'm glad you liked that.

@RetroWolf: as for featuring your game on a mockup I was thinking that
showcase on homepage could be on random rotation (after page refresh,
exactly like on actual website) so all of the games could get some exposure
so I'm sure you would get your chance. :)

@Myinah: I know I should ask before I used all of those characters,
still I'm happy you liked that. Even if they are just crudely ripped
from AGS Award Client with the help of magic-wand selection (so black
parts of some avatars are missing). I enjoyed them all so it was
shame not to use them here.

Now, I dont really expect that this mockup will be used.
Still, maybe it could be helpful in some way to community.

It's more of an experiment in user interface and usability
and working on existing sites helps me to notice what is working or not.
I guess I just like that kind of puzzles. Like: how many people
are using AGS homepage for recent news and forum posts?
How many differentt ratings do people actually need, if you got AGS Panel Rating,
and Player Rating do you really need Public Opinion (in percentages?)?
Or the fact that there are seven ways (eight, including search)
for finding a game from page interface and if that's a good thing or not?
What's the noise and where is content. That kind of stuff.

@Darth: "It should be up and running by 2019!!"
Yes, you probably right that redesigning takes some time. Personally I think
most of that time is coding, gfx is relatively easy. That mockup was done in 3 days
(even less, cause it was probably 2-3 hours every day) and once you got your
grid, fonts and logic figured out, every subpage comes quite easy.


Snarky

(Darth was the main designer and driving force behind the last redesign, WRK. It did drag on, because having a community as a client means dozens of opinions on everything you do...)

Calin Leafshade

I like your new design. As a professional web developer myself I'm happy to offer my services.
The main reason for my generosity is that I want to expose a dev API for the games db for Nimbus.

(2019 seems good for me, nothing on the calendar anyway)


LimpingFish

The current design has aged extremely well, in my opinion.

Having said that, I do like elements of this mock-up. And it's always nice to see interest being taken, even if the last major site redesign thread proved somewhat...stressful (the "replacement banner" discussion...(wrong)).

Quote from: cat on Thu 19/03/2015 14:57:44
Just a few years back the site would look like this...

Oh, the memories!

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Andail

Yes, that homepage looks nice, no, I don't think our current one looks bad or out of date, and no, I don't think updating the website - again - would make AGS more attractive and popular.

Quote
But perhaps it needs to move more with the times e.g. browser based AGS games anyone? ;)
I don't think making our games browser based is the answer to anything. Browser based games are mostly for quick, social games; time-killing games that you want to quickly get into and out of. I don't think that suits a genre of games that require a lot of patience, and rely on immersion. It may sound counter-intuitive, but accessibility isn't always the answer - even having to pay for a game may make people more patient and inclined to keep playing than if they get it for free, to their own gratification.

xil

Quote from: Andail on Fri 20/03/2015 07:19:42
I don't think making our games browser based is the answer to anything.

If you had said that to me 2 years ago then I would have wholeheartedly agreed, however, with the introduction of things like the unity browser plugin there really is a growing number of fully fledged games that you can just load up right there and then and get stuck into. 2 more years and we might see a bigger shift...

Having said that it was very much a throw-away jokey comment and agree that certainly for paid games and the majority of adventure games it's not an issue downloading.

I think that saying the website redesign would do nothing for AGS is basically true, I tell clients this every day, but I also look at WRK's design differently. WRK's design is more of a redevelop rather than just some pretty front page upgrade. It goes much more down the Game Jolt route in regards to trying to attract the players as well as the makers. I don't think that's a bad idea at all.

I work in systems development and I've long thought about just booting up a Rails App to try and do a small "Game Jolt for AGS" or in fact adventure games in general. The only problem is that it would clash pretty horribly with the AGS games database if I did just go out and do something off my own back and I wouldn't want to do that.
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Retro Wolf

I get the feeling that getting AGS to export to html5 would be quite the challenge. As cool as that would be.

[delete}

I like the new pixeled yet featherlight look. Well done, WRK!

Darth Mandarb

I don't dislike the new mock-up.

My problems with it are:

  • It is very boiler plate (looks like literally thousands of sites out there right now using this exact layout/design).  While this isn't really a "bad" thing (the layout/design works, that's why so many use it) I think AGS deserves better than a copy/paste from Wrap Bootstrap or templateMonster (et al).
  • I don't think this layout/design, while fully functional, is really representative of a "game" making engine (especially one of AGS's history and reputation).  It, to me, looks more formal and less "fun" and "whimsical"
When I helped with the last redesign (and the one before that was my design too) I had... what's the word again??  Oh, yeah... free-time.  Sadly I have no extra time to devote here and, if I'm being 100% honest, after the debacle that was the last redesign I'm not really sure I even want to get involved this time.

I'm not really sure a redesign is needed right now anyway.

selmiak

I totally <3 WRK's pixel art for the different topics the landing page has to address. I also like the clean and broad style but I don't like these new ever long scrolling pages. So refering to WRK's design I'd just cut the page off after DL AGS and before play games, add the 'Play games' to the pixelart icons and add (at least) 3 more iconic links to the games (covered with publish & play already?), the forums and the wiki or some general helps pages collection that then links to the wiki and some more tutorials and the technical help forums.
The grey bottom part is cool and would probably fit to the bottom of every page. Yeah, I prefer more pages with less content over ALL the content on one huge scrolling page without direct links to specific relevant topics/pages.
The collection of AGS characters is lovely, wouldn't know where to put them beside the landing page. But then it would also be cool if some AGS characters would be featured in the pixelart icons. Or the guy doing this stuff in all the icons needs a name... like... deevee loper :-D

Snarky

And so it begins... (nod)

I think selmiak makes good points, and I note that they sound a lot like the input that led to the current design. (If you apply the suggestions, we're content-wise pretty much back to what we already have, just with a different skin and without the direct forum/blog links.)

Dropped Monocle Games

I don't have much to add apart from I think that mock up looks amazing, great job! very professional looking (nod)

selmiak

absolutely!  :-D
The current pages are more or less sufficient in number and content, but the presentation could be nicer. Could, not should. I like the current design, but I also like what WRK did...

LimpingFish

Quote from: selmiak on Fri 20/03/2015 14:19:15
The collection of AGS characters is lovely, wouldn't know where to put them beside the landing page. But then it would also be cool if some AGS characters would be featured in the pixelart icons.

We argued this (almost) exact point five years ago. It didn't go well. Personally, I'm not a fan of characters being tied to the site design. We settled on Larry Vales poking out from the banner.

He seems even less relevant today then he did in 2010.

Quote from: selmiak on Fri 20/03/2015 19:59:02
...but the presentation could be nicer.

I'd phrase it more as "freshened a little". But I agree.

Quote from: Amélie W. on Fri 20/03/2015 11:38:02
Maybe we could publish a small annual pdf-mag with writings about adventure gaming and community reviews.

The "AGS Annual" used to be a thing. Only available at Mittens, if I recall.

On topic, and as others have said, I don't believe a cutting-edge site redesign is needed, especially as a means to "attract" new people to the community (AGS games enjoy frequent coverage on a number of heavy-hitting websites, as do various AGS alumni, so we're quite visible already).

What makes the AGS community attractive to potential members is our openness, friendliness, and general lack of typical internet behaviour, not our solid gold shirt and diamond pants.
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Peder 🚀

With the current website it's not so much the design that needs work, it's the code imo. As it is there are stuff just not out right working atm, though there probably are some design choices that could do with being done differently. (Like imo the screenshot zoom function just doesn't look great, it let's you zoom the picture bigger than your screen etc..)

[delete}

WRK's initiative is good, I support it. @PederJohnsen, how's AGSArchives doing? For me, your ambitious project is 'teh way of the future'.

Peder 🚀

AGS Archives is still in development yes, sadly rather slowly as I'm just way too busy with work and other things in life, but I'm doing my best to push out a barebones version as soon as possible so at least people can start uploading their games etc instead of having to have me do it manually..

Monsieur OUXX

WRK's mockup is just perfect. Do it.
(yes, that's all I'm gonna say)

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BarbWire

Hi Fellow AGSers

Don't you just hate it when you go into your Supermarket of choice, because you know exactly where to lay your hands on your fave foods, only to find that everything has been moved. You then spend time and energy aimlessly wandering up and down the aisles until you finally locate your tasty treats, by which time you've lost interest in them. Apply this example to the AGS site, we all know and love, and I doubt it would be popular with the community.
Isn't it a case of IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. 

xil

Quote from: BarbWire on Thu 26/03/2015 14:51:56Isn't it a case of IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT.

As much as I love the redesign, I agree essentially with the "ain't broke, don't fix approach" as the average visitor is surely going to be a developer. Just look at the description from Google: AGS is an Adventure Engine to create graphical point-and-click adventure games - Adventure Game Studio. So by making it all pretty and new in the current 2015 style (which will only change again in 2016) isn't going to affect much, developers won't give a crap about what the website looks like, they want an engine to make games.

If I do some quick searches for "adventure game engine" or "adventure game creator" then up pops AGS, however, if I search for "indie adventure games" it's no where to be seen. Which is obviously correct as AGS is an engine not a forum to showcase adventure games, or is it? I feel this is where the line in a lot of peoples arguments is getting blurred.

I do feel it misses the mark when you consider that players might be coming onto the site but isn't that the type of visitor that AGS Archives is trying to accommodate?

Out of interest, does anyone know what sort of traffic the main site gets, and things like the bounce rate and search terms? Maybe the AGS site should have a sister site that focuses on a games showcase, which I would welcome a design like WRK's, as I think the current games database hasn't aged quite as well as the main site and it feels a little 'clunky' in comparison to some newer sites like Game Jolt or itch.io for example.

I also quite dislike the fact that for a player to provide a rating or comment they have to go through what is quite frankly, an arduous signup process which will only serve to put off casual players from commenting and rating. I am about 5 years out of the loop though so I might be wrong on that account now?
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Monsieur OUXX

I think the "ain't broken, don't fix" thinking doesn't apply here.

Why do the community members (not the newcomers!) go on the AGS website? --> Essentially, for 3 things :
1) Download AGS
2) Download a game
3) Go to the forums

1 --> That happens less than once every year, when there is a version change. And it would be the home page of the site anyways.
2 --> 50% of the times, I reach the download page from a link in the forums. And you don't go looking up games so often anyways
3 --> I never use the forums link on the AGS website. I always type "AGS forums" in Google (and that's for people who don't even have a bookmark).

As a conclusion: that wouldn't change anything for the community members. Yet, it would be a big improvement for newcomers. I think the forums are too "hidden" withing the site. That would actually be an enhancement.
Oh, and I'm not grabbing WRK's enhancements just because he suggested them. It's just that they are exactly what I had on mind for the website for the last several years.
 

BarbWire

I agree with a lot that Xil said. As existing members we are aware that games are showcased in the
GAMES IN PRODUCTION and COMPLETED GAMES sections, but I suppose non members would only know this if they actually
knew the title of a game, looked it up on Google, and were directed to the Adventure GAME STUDIO site. Another valid point
Xil made is the arduous process of signing up to give a rating or make a comment. This could put people off, but even those
in the community seem to find it hard to do either of these things. Gamejolt is an alternative to showcasing games and reaching a wider audience.
However, the sheer amount of games, many of them fan based, which appear at an alarming rate means a game drops from page 1 to 101 in no time.
So unless someone is prepared to carefully scrutinise all 900 odd pages there is little chance  your game would be noticed.






straydogstrut

Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 26/03/2015 16:35:50
As a conclusion: that wouldn't change anything for the community members. Yet, it would be a big improvement for newcomers. I think the forums are too "hidden" withing the site. That would actually be an enhancement.
Oh, and I'm not grabbing WRK's enhancements just because he suggested them. It's just that they are exactly what I had on mind for the website for the last several years.

While I think the forums are easy enough to reach from the main website, they could be quicker to get to and I agree with what Monsieur OUXX said. I never visit the main site unless I need to download the client again. I have the 'view recent posts on the forum' link bookmarked and I reach the games from links in the relevant thread.

A complete overhaul is probably not necessary but it wouldn't put me off as I spend most of my time in the forums anyway. As it stands some thought into the usability of the current homepage could only help the newcomer and may be beneficial for developers:


  • Home and AGS serve very similar purposes at the moment - I think features should be more prominent
  • It's not clear you have to go to AGS to find the help section or features
  • The Resources links go off site and - visually at least - appear to be outdated
  • For developers, adding a game seems to be very low priority given where the link is
  • I really like the news link which pulls in from the blog (why not a link to the Blog proper?) and think more could be done to highlight these community activities like the competitions and the podcast (while still keeping them in the forums)

I really like the mockup as it looks very clean and enticing like a lot of other development tool landing pages i've been on. Yes, it's a style i've seen before and i'd say there are lots of other examples we could also use as inspiration, but it's very easy on the eyes. Only thing i'd say with this style is to prioritise what is above the fold as items will inevitably disappear below the scroll bars and/or beyond the viewing area of mobile devices.

EDIT: Not saying it's the best example, or even better than what we have depending on your preferences, but this is the homepage of another dev tool i've dabbled with. I like that the key elements prospective developers would be interested in - Features, Tools, Help, Download - are immediately accessible and there's good use of whitespace.

xil

Quote from: BarbWire on Thu 26/03/2015 18:34:55
Gamejolt is an alternative to showcasing games and reaching a wider audience.
However, the sheer amount of games, many of them fan based, which appear at an alarming rate means a game drops from page 1 to 101 in no time.
So unless someone is prepared to carefully scrutinise all 900 odd pages there is little chance  your game would be noticed.

Yea I completely agree, there is never going to be a perfect solution but it does seem a shame that there are so many games in the AGS database and so little activity in regards to comments and ratings.

Quote from: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 26/03/2015 16:35:50
I think the "ain't broken, don't fix" thinking doesn't apply here.

Why do the community members (not the newcomers!) go on the AGS website? --> Essentially, for 3 things :
1) Download AGS
2) Download a game
3) Go to the forums

1 --> That happens less than once every year, when there is a version change. And it would be the home page of the site anyways.
2 --> 50% of the times, I reach the download page from a link in the forums. And you don't go looking up games so often anyways
3 --> I never use the forums link on the AGS website. I always type "AGS forums" in Google (and that's for people who don't even have a bookmark).

As a conclusion: that wouldn't change anything for the community members. Yet, it would be a big improvement for newcomers. I think the forums are too "hidden" withing the site. That would actually be an enhancement.
Oh, and I'm not grabbing WRK's enhancements just because he suggested them. It's just that they are exactly what I had on mind for the website for the last several years.

I think this highlights exactly my point about blurring the lines between what WRK's mock up is trying to achieve. On one hand I agree completely, as a community member I have almost zero need for the front-end website. As a developer I don't play many AGS games as I'm busy trying to make them and I never use the forum link on the website, I always get here through a bookmark or straight from Google.

But why then do you say it would be a big improvement for a newcomer? The forums are hardly hidden, it's one of 4 link at the top of the page. Yes, you could maybe have the 'enter the forums' link as a button but it's not rocket science getting to them. I'd go as far to say for a new developer it would be a minor improvement but not a big one.

However, if you are meaning newcomer as a new player/interested party then yes, it would be a big improvement, however, it still does not address the fact that the games page is a bit outdated and very hard to actually sign up to give a rating or comment. I think it would be an utter waste of everyone's time if you just made the homepage nice and pretty with an updated look but then completely disregarded the fact that perhaps AGS on a whole should be changing the way it works to be more of a community like Game Jolt where we mix players and developers?

I would love to have an attempt at doing some sort of "AGS Game Jolt" but like I've said before it would clash directly with the current games database (and possibly even what AGS Archives is trying to achieve?).

Again, don't get me wrong, I really do love WRK's mock up but website looks are very fickle. They twist and change every year, if not every 6 months and then just look outdated again no matter how 'fresh' you think it looks right now.
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Ali

I'm very grateful to the members who designed and maintain the site, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be better. We shouldn't say, "but we just updated the site several years ago!" The thing about updating is you have to keep doing it.

The site would benefit from being focused on new users. Not just developers (who may not care about aesthetics, though I suspect they do) but also artists, writers, voice actors, composers and other superficial people like me. I think the same should apply to the engine and we ought to replace the default Roger/interface with something less ugly.

For an object lesson, look at Blender3D. An incredibly powerful open source tool which is GRADUALLY becoming more user friendly. But by default you still have to right-click to select objects. Why? Because that's the way it's always been!

It's silly because old users can adapt easily. New designs should be geared towards new users. I enjoyed this discussion last time around, and I'm going to end by say the same thing. I hate Larry Vales in the banner! Get rid of him!

Monsieur OUXX

Additionally to what Ali just said (which is all true), the strongest asset of AGS is its community. Yet, it's not obvious to the newcomer that unlike some other engines, with AGS you'll get immediate help about just about anything you ask. And it'll be fun. How many others can say that?
 

Scavenger

Quote from: Ali on Fri 27/03/2015 00:44:12I think the same should apply to the engine and we ought to replace the default Roger/interface with something less ugly.

If it comes to making a new default character/assets to beautify AGS' default suite, I can lend a hand! We could make assets for every facet of AGS, such as creating sierra style lip sync portraits to show that bit off, LA speaking and thinking animations, and so on. It'll really let new developers see what can be done in the engine as-is.

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