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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #240 on: 24 Nov 2016, 12:10 »
And if you multiply "pepperoni" by "Madeleine McCann" you get 4815162342.

What a knee-slapper. Reddit may have lost its credibility, but I'm sure it'll see many more users join, desperate for some cat pictures to distract them from the systematic protection of child rapists.

Twittergate is not a theory. Twitter has and still is openly protecting its public child porn network. The FBI refuses to investigate, the MSM refuses to cover it. None of them can even make a statement denying it. But let's joke about it.

Never mind that reddit used obviously spurious claims to to nuke an entire community working to expose them, while allowing their own pederast communities to flourish out in the open.

Enjoy this time. When the evidence becomes undeniable you will be asked to add another letter to LGBTx for the poor paedophiles.

1,400 investigated in child sex abuse inquiry, including politicians

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #241 on: 24 Nov 2016, 14:49 »
Twittergate is not a theory. Twitter has and still is openly protecting its public child porn network. The FBI refuses to investigate, the MSM refuses to cover it.

Maybe law enforcement has requested that Twitter not shut down the offending accounts as they are trying to track down the account holders (most likely through a myriad web of proxy servers) and arrest them instead of tipping them off ahead of time that they are busted?

And the reason that Twitter has "silenced" the whistleblower(s) could be that they might be ruining an undercover law enforcement sting operation before it can catch the ring-leaders?

These are the kind of things we read about in the mainstream media only after the operation has run its course...And there have been plenty of such reports over the last few years about exactly these kind of stings nabbing huge CP networks... And in most (in not all) of these cases the mainstream media was also requested by law enforcement to sit on their hands and not report on it, also to avoid tipping off the ring-leaders.

The CP people are skittish and quick to smell a rat, which is how they avoid getting caught for so long, and these are the tactics that law enforcement has adopted to nail them, even if it means, horrible as this is, that CP content gets passed around for a little longer.

They must go for the head of the snake and shut down these huge networks instead of just shoring up the holes that they slip through here and there.

I'm not saying I'm right, but it seems likely to me at least.
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #242 on: 24 Nov 2016, 17:55 »
Enjoy this time. When the evidence becomes undeniable you will be asked to add another letter to LGBTx for the poor paedophiles.
Let me just quickly quote this.

Jack, you have proven time and again that you are not as smart as you think you are. Why don't you take break for a few days.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #243 on: 24 Nov 2016, 18:17 »
Maybe law enforcement has requested that Twitter not shut down the offending accounts as they are trying to track down the account holders (most likely through a myriad web of proxy servers) and arrest them instead of tipping them off ahead of time that they are busted?

This is one possibility that I had considered. It's the only other one that makes sense. The thing is, many of those accounts were years old. If that were the case, then law enforcement has crossed the line into distributing child pornography and supporting that community, rather than hunting them. The other thing is that there are thousands of these accounts. If law enforcement were using their accounts to track and arrest these animals, there would not be nearly as many of them, and they would not be so old. The word is out about these accounts now, and law enforcement and twitter gain nothing by not making a statement at this point. Pizzagate was also seemingly not a threat to anyone until twittergate broke, and then it, and every other related citizen investigation sub, was scrubbed from reddit. Considering all this, I feel that theory is unlikely at best.

Anyway, I got into old habits there and got a bit belligerent before. I will do my best to stick to the moderation which Darth Mandarb so impressively established in the trump thread.

Khris, you may have seen the list of some confirmed false flags I made before. Why do you think germans seem to be so prone to falling for them?

Ok, starting now.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #244 on: 24 Nov 2016, 19:17 »
you may have seen the list of some confirmed false flags I made before.

... and absolutely no acknowledgment that the very next post in the thread points out that the Reichstagsfire is NOT a confirmed false flag operation. Why am I not surprised?

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #245 on: 24 Nov 2016, 19:27 »
It also doesn't contain the 28 pages false flag, where the USG covered up critical leads relating to 9/11 so that they could invade Iraq. (15 years)

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #246 on: 24 Nov 2016, 20:24 »
Oh, I think I'd forgotten that you apparently don't know what a false flag operation is.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #247 on: 24 Nov 2016, 22:39 »
This is one possibility that I had considered. It's the only other one that makes sense. The thing is, many of those accounts were years old. If that were the case, then law enforcement has crossed the line into distributing child pornography and supporting that community, rather than hunting them.

For what I understand, undercover cops sometimes pose as drug-dealers or human traffickers for long periods of time, sometimes even for years, during which time they have to actively smuggle drugs/sell to addicts, or watch as victims are trafficked under their noses, probably never to be seen again, while convincingly treating them like human garbage. (It must take a will of steel to do such a job, and play havoc with one's psyche and conscience.)

It can take that long for the agent to earn the trust of the organization to the point where they can gain access to the high-ups' identities and/or the evidence needed to put them away.

The rationale is that if they weren't doing the selling/trafficking then a real criminal would be in that position doing it anyway, and at least this way there is the potential of making a major bust at some point.

It's an effective means of hurting these networks when nothing else can.

And the details of who and for how long are things the public will never know as this would lessen the chances for the next agent to pull it off, hence little fanfare in the media even after the fact: They don't get told the details so they have no meat for a big, ongoing story.

So anyways, yes I still think it's possible that twittergate could still be an example of this kind of sting operation. Not saying it is, but only that it's possible.

Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #248 on: 25 Nov 2016, 12:28 »
Enjoy this time. When the evidence becomes undeniable you will be asked to add another letter to LGBTx for the poor paedophiles.

Ugh, don't, just don't.

I know you say this as a warning about society accepting paedophiles, but the gay community has had a LOT of people equating them to paedophiles.
Not only that, but saying this makes it look like you think the whole LGBT+ community are just other types of criminals of which paedophiles are the latest wave.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #249 on: 26 Nov 2016, 20:53 »
BBC 'turned blind eye' to Savile sex offences on up to 1,000 boys and girls

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Laura Silsby and the New Life Children's Refuge case

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The one-time legal adviser, who calls himself Jorge Puello, now acknowledges that he faces sex trafficking charges in El Salvador under the name Jorge Anibal Torres Puello. He remained at large on Monday, as Dominican, Salvadoran and American law enforcement officials worked with Interpol to interview his relatives and search border and immigration records to find him.

Mr. Puello is wanted by the police in at least four countries in connection with charges including sex trafficking of girls and women, and making counterfeit documents and violating parole.

Hillary's office handled the release of the suspects



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Max Spiers Death: Family, Followers Believe Conspiracy Theorist May Have Been Killed To Prevent Him From Exposing U.S. Military Pedophile Ring

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The artist, whose whose work often raised questions about the dividing line between art and pornography, was at the centre of a raft of allegations after a French radio presenter accused him of raping her when she was 13.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #250 on: 27 Nov 2016, 02:24 »
This thread makes me sad. It's just link after link of...nonsense. No offense, Jack, but are these interminable articles/videos that you link to...are you really invested in them, or do you just seek them out to back up your own beliefs? I for one care little about anything you have deemed worthy of interest, and, beyond these conspiracy sites and whatnot, nobody is actually reporting these stories as fact. Now, I know that this actually plays into your worldview, so me saying it's all nonsense will have little effect, but on a strictly pragmatic level...who cares? I mean, isn't life really too short for this? All this time arguing about secret conspiracies and hidden agendas, wouldn't it be better spent on making your own life, and the lives of those around you, better? I'm not taking a stab at you personally, but rather I'm asking everybody who dedicates precious time out of their day to wallow in this kind of thinking...does it really matter?

Or is it simply a way to excuse their own personal failings in life, or turn the focus away from an existence which, if we really dig deep, looks like having little to no impact on the world around them? Most of us will go through life without contributing much to society, in the grand scheme of things, so what I'm really asking is, are these attempts to highlight perceived wrongdoings by The Man/The Illuminati/Whoever really just a desperate attempt to give their lives meaning in a world which really doesn't care if they live or die?

Like I said, it just makes me sad. I have enough to think about in my daily life, and precious room to worry about actual wrongdoings in the world, that conspiracy peddling, which, and let's be honest, diverts attention away from problems that we could actually come together as a people and solve, seems like a colossal waste of time and energy.

Personally, and I believe a mod should have stepped in by now, I think this thread has run it's course, seeing as it's devolved into a one-man link-fest, and nothing worthy of serious debate (to anybody not invested in the world of smoke and shadows) has been presented over the last few pages.
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #251 on: 27 Nov 2016, 02:56 »
If this thread is of no value to anyone here, it should be deleted, like /r/pizzagate, /r/CivilianInvestigators, @0hour, @Eclipse_OW, @WonderChick, etc, etc, etc...

Considering that conspicuous censorship follows this story like death follows the clintons, yes, it matters.

I will not stop.

Bring it.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #252 on: 27 Nov 2016, 03:46 »
Like I said, it just makes me sad. I have enough to think about in my daily life, and precious room to worry about actual wrongdoings in the world, that conspiracy peddling, which, and let's be honest, diverts attention away from problems that we could actually come together as a people and solve, seems like a colossal waste of time and energy.

Even if you think it's all conspiracy peddling, conspiracies are interesting. If they're turn out to be true, this is foreknowledge. If they're false, it's like modern folklore or urban legends. If you don't believe it, why does it worry you? Did you ever watch Unsolved Mysteries as a kid? Pardon me, but I can't see why anyone with a creative bent who disbelieved the content would see harm in this thread. What a sad outlook you must have.

Also, I am not weighing in on whether I believe or disbelieve stuff mentioned here. I just find it interesting and think it would be sad for the forum if it were let go.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #253 on: 27 Nov 2016, 04:10 »
Like I said, it just makes me sad. I have enough to think about in my daily life, and precious room to worry about actual wrongdoings in the world, that conspiracy peddling, which, and let's be honest, diverts attention away from problems that we could actually come together as a people and solve, seems like a colossal waste of time and energy.

Even if you think it's all conspiracy peddling, conspiracies are interesting. If they're turn out to be true, this is foreknowledge. If they're false, it's like modern folklore or urban legends. If you don't believe it, why does it worry you? Did you ever watch Unsolved Mysteries as a kid? Pardon me, but I can't see why anyone with a creative bent who disbelieved the content would see harm in this thread. What a sad outlook you must have.

Also, I am not weighing in on whether I believe or disbelieve stuff mentioned here. I just find it interesting and think it would be sad for the forum if it were let go.

I DID WATCH UNSOLVED MYSTERIES!!! It scared the shit out of me as a kid, but also excited me to want to know more, or just make up the answers in my own imagination!

And I love these kind of conspiracy theories for the same reasons!

I have a good mate who is going through a rough patch in his life and whenever I talk about stories like these and try to get a conversation going about "...but what if..." or "...imagine that this is BS, but the actual truth is that..." (which we used to talk like all the time back in the day) he just shuts me down and says "Who cares? I just want to live my life now with no complicated shit to think about...I want to drive a truck and not think anymore..."

This makes me sad, and I hope that he can recapture the feeling of being interested in intriguing stories, believe them or not...

(And it's not an issue of just getting tired of the BS as you get old and grouchy: slasher is over 60 and is currently working on a game about The Mystery Of Oak Island...And I'm so excited about that!)

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #254 on: 27 Nov 2016, 04:11 »
It's certainly interesting. I went down the Pizzagare rabbithole when Jack first mentioned it. My conclusion was that it was no different to the LOST theory rabbitholes I wasted so many hours on when that show was on (hence my earlier 4815162342 joke). Basically, I was seeing the numbers and clues everywhere, going on forums discussing and convincing ourselves that whatever theory of the week was 'definitely true.' This thread Those Reddit threads feel no different. A bunch of internet-dwellers finding clues and building up a false narrative to fine-tune their ever-convincing theories.

[Edited for fatfingeritis cure and a bit of clarification]
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #255 on: 27 Nov 2016, 04:15 »
It's certainly interesting. I went diwn the Pizzagare rabbithole when Jack furst mentioned it. My my conclusion ameas that it was no different to the LOST theory rabbitholes I wasted so many hours on when that show was on (hence my warlier 4815162342 joke). Basically, I was on seeing the numbers and clues everywhere, going on forums discussing and convincing ourselves that whatever theory if the week was 'definitely true.' This thread feels no different.

Drunk already at 1PM, mate?

Shame on you!

And/Or:

PARTY ON, DUDE!!!

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #256 on: 27 Nov 2016, 08:22 »
Even if you think it's all conspiracy peddling, conspiracies are interesting. If they're turn out to be true, this is foreknowledge. If they're false, it's like modern folklore or urban legends. If you don't believe it, why does it worry you? Did you ever watch Unsolved Mysteries as a kid? Pardon me, but I can't see why anyone with a creative bent who disbelieved the content would see harm in this thread. What a sad outlook you must have.

Also, I am not weighing in on whether I believe or disbelieve stuff mentioned here. I just find it interesting and think it would be sad for the forum if it were let go.

The recent US election demonstrated the danger of the conspiratorial mindset: it teaches total mistrust and total gullibility. If every authority is part of the grand conspiracy, then any story no matter how well documented can be dismissed as a hoax. And if you've come to believe in these conspiracy theories, then there's hardly any claim too far-fetched to believe. You're free to construct your own parallel reality according to your prejudices and preconceptions.

It's the post-truth world, where expert evaluations, perspective and balanced reporting are dismissed while gigabytes of "evidence" is loosely "interpreted" (cherry-picked) by laypeople who already think they know the answer.

So we're in a situation where obviously fabricated fake news stories (like The Onion without the comedy) are among the most popular on social media, where people reject something reported by the NYT or Washington Post or BBC out of hand (not simply arguing that their coverage is biased and particular articles flawed, but thinking anything that comes out of the mainstream media is automatically discredited) while putting uncritical faith in the tottering towers of speculation by bloggers and tweeters, and the propaganda machines of authoritarian states.

Yes, I think it's clearly been demonstrated that it is harmful to public discourse, and I think it's becoming more and more morally questionable for these forums to provide a platform for it.

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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #257 on: 27 Nov 2016, 10:43 »
If every authority is part of the grand conspiracy, then any story no matter how well documented can be dismissed as a hoax.

Blind acceptance of authority is just as bad as total abandonment. I'm a proponent of centrism when it comes to these things -- a healthy scepticism for authority.

Yes, I think it's clearly been demonstrated that it is harmful to public discourse, and I think it's becoming more and more morally questionable for these forums to provide a platform for it.

It is strange that you think these ideas are harmful and you have a moral responsibility to protect the the forum from them. I believe there's a sense of personal responsibility everyone should have and that we're all adults here.
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #258 on: 27 Nov 2016, 11:39 »
I think there is a point where conspiracy theories are damaging in the real world (remember the real world?), and there is a point where many are dangerous and morally repugnant. To his credit, Jack hasn't been pushing the most unpleasant (e.g. Jewish people were warned about the 9/11 attack, the Holocaust was part of a Zionist plan, vaccines cause autism/cancer/Ebola/everything.)

But what makes me angry is how aficionados of conspiracy take such comfort in their 'alternative knowledge', as if they were worshipping a capricious old testament God.
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Re: Alternative Knowledge
« Reply #259 on: 27 Nov 2016, 13:53 »
Fake news? What is that?

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Operation Mass Appeal was an operation set up by the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) in the runup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It was a campaign aimed at planting stories in the media about Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction. The existence of the operation was exposed in December 2003, although officials denied that the operation was deliberately disseminating misinformation. The MI6 operation secretly incorporated the United Nations Special Commission investigating Iraq's alleged stockpiles of Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD) into its propaganda efforts by recruiting UN weapons inspector and former MI6 collaborator Scott Ritter to provide copies of UN documents and reports on their findings to MI6.

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