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Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« on: 13 Oct 2016, 13:55 »
I have to admit the whole thing passed me by somewhat until a dev of an altcoin (basically any crypto that is not Bitcoin) got in touch wanted to sponsor one of my games.  Since then I've become very interested in the whole thing, from trading crypto (obviously in very small amounts with stuff I've been given, I've not invested a penny of fiat currency into this and never will) to the use of cryptos in gaming (other than gambling, which is something very popular with crytpos but not something I involve myself with).

So... anyone dabbled in cryptocurrency?  Anyone mined some Bitcoin back when it was feasible to do so with an ordinary PC?  Anyone interested in the idea of decentralised currency and any thoughts on whether that's actually genuinely possible?

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #1 on: 13 Oct 2016, 15:25 »
* Cassiebsg considers this to cryptic to reach enlightenment 8-0

In other words, I have no idea about what you talking about, never even heard of it before.
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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #2 on: 13 Oct 2016, 18:50 »
Basically, any form of digital currency.  The most famous is of course Bitcoin, not many "altcoins" are well known outside the Cryptocurrecy community, but the best-known are Litecoin, Dogecoin and Ethereum.

A cryptocurrency (or crypto currency) is a medium of exchange using cryptography to secure the transactions and to control the creation of additional units of the currency. Cryptocurrencies are a subset of alternative currencies, or specifically of digital currencies.
Bitcoin became the first decentralized cryptocurrency in 2009.
Since then, numerous cryptocurrencies have been created. These are frequently called altcoins, as a blend of bitcoin alternative.
Cryptocurrencies use decentralized control as opposed to centralized electronic money/centralized banking systems. The decentralized control is related to the use of bitcoin's blockchain transaction database in the role of a distributed ledger.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency

New currency is "mined" by using mathematical formulae (known as "hashing")

A cryptographic hash function is a special class of hash function that has certain properties which make it suitable for use in cryptography. It is a mathematical algorithm that maps data of arbitrary size to a bit string of a fixed size (a hash function) which is designed to also be a one-way function, that is, a function which is infeasible to invert.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_hash_function
 
(I have to admit that it's taken me quite a while to get my head around the terminology and come to a reasonable understanding of it all!)

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #3 on: 13 Oct 2016, 19:16 »
Over the years I've read multiple articles on the subject and still have no bloody clue what it's all about!

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #4 on: 13 Oct 2016, 19:32 »
I use it to buy crack and hookers! 8-)

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« Reply #5 on: 13 Oct 2016, 20:43 »
They solve the problem of currency issuance in a really wasteful manner. If these ever saw global adoption the energy cost would be astronomical. Obviously there are better ways than having the world's computers running in circles 24/7 to make something which by itself has no value. Just because central banks are corrupt, that does not mean fiat currency could not be implemented in a sound manner.

It also means anyone who has a datacenter, or the money to buy one, is automatically in possession of a printing press which the other 99.9% of people will never match.
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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #6 on: 13 Oct 2016, 20:48 »
Uhm... besides the fact that seems to be some kind of digital currency (or some programming language/algoritht to create it?)... all remaining text might as well be in an unknown alien language... (roll)

It's like who ever wrote all that just assumed ppl know what he/she is talking about. :-\
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« Reply #7 on: 13 Oct 2016, 21:08 »
Basically it's a currency which self-regulates its issuance (creating of new currency) by being limited to the cost of the number of computations it takes to create new currency. This is to solve the run-away inflation which is possible with fiat/paper currency, as seen in the weimar republic and zimbabwe.
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« Reply #8 on: 13 Oct 2016, 21:25 »
Okay, thanks for talking almost understandable english. (laugh)

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #9 on: 13 Oct 2016, 22:47 »
Did you calculate that through Jack? Some might argue the power needed to run internet servers and backbones and datacenters and things like that is a waste, use alternative methods of communication. The value is what you make of it. Do these papers with colors on it have any value when you consider they are just paper with color on it and some shiny treasure coins.

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #10 on: 13 Oct 2016, 22:58 »
Consider that mining bitcoins currently turns only a marginal profit largely because of power consumption. Multiplying that by a few billion is not going to help things.

Fiat currency has practically no intrinsic value, digital currency has none. Spending that much of a precious resource making it is a terrible way to go about things.
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« Reply #11 on: 13 Oct 2016, 23:46 »
I use it to buy crack and hookers! 8-)

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #12 on: 14 Oct 2016, 09:23 »
@Jack - on the energy usage side, modern ASICs and whatnot appear to be extremely energy efficient, although some alts can be mined with CPU/GPU, any serious miner uses specialised equipment.  It's an interesting question though - if hypothetically crytpo ever replaced fiat (can't see it happening myself), how would the energy costs of maintaining it compare to the energy costs of running a huge note / coin minting operation?  But yes, either way energy usage (especially on the massive farms China are said to have, though I'm sure they're not the only ones) is a very big concern either way.

Re: inflation - whilst Bitcoin and others seem to naturally work against too much inflation with halving and increasing difficulty of hashing, there are also several POS (Proof Of Stake) coins whose interest rates cause them to run on massive hyper-inflation - then again this is self-limiting as eventually these coins (for instance SPROUTS) lose all value and eventually cannot be traded even for one satoshi (0.00000001BTC, the [currently] smallest unit of Bitcoin exchange)

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« Reply #13 on: 14 Oct 2016, 21:05 »
There is an interesting TED Talk about Blockchains that explains the technology and it's implications quite nicely.  The presenter mentions one such currency that has contract fulfillment built into it. 

I don't buy the mining energy argument. There are already multitudes of data centers everywhere and a mining application can soak up spare cpu cycles when the are available. Even for dedicated mining centers I would guess they have a much smaller energy requirement than traditional banking operations with everyone carting around bags of paper and metal in cars, truck, and vans on top of their very own data center.     

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« Reply #14 on: 14 Oct 2016, 22:05 »
There are already multitudes of data centers everywhere and a mining application can soak up spare cpu cycles when the are available.

So that takes care of the mining for those who already own datacenters. I'm sure they will make a tidy profit. I'm sure you're not suggesting they will give their mined currency away rather than just mining for their own profit. So what about the other 7 billion people on the planet? If it saw widespread adoption, the currently existing datacenters will shortly become a tiny percentage of global output, since we currently use them for work, and there will have to be a lot more of them if we start using them to waste processor cycles.

If anyone who owns a computer, or could acquire a suitable one, could use it to turn even a marginal profit after their power consumption by mining a widely accepted currency, what do you think they're going to do? Not mine?

EDIT:

What happens when one person leaves their laptop on for one year?

65W/h x 24 x 365 = 560kWh.

According to google, electricity consumption per capita in 2011 was 3,045 kWh.
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« Reply #15 on: 14 Oct 2016, 23:39 »
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I'm sure you're not suggesting they will give their mined currency away rather than just mining for their own profit. So what about the other 7 billion people on the planet?...
Maybe you should watch the linked video in my previous post.

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What happens when one person leaves their laptop on for one year?
People already leave their computers on 24/7 and use their idle cpu cycles to search for ETs, solve research problems and for crash commercial purposes.  Here are  just a few suggestion from our friend Mr. Google.
http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/10-ways-to-donate-your-cpu-time-to-science/
http://www.techgyd.com/turn-pc-on-make-money/6458/
https://cloud.mql5.com/

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Btw, CaptianD can you recommend a path into the crypto community you mention, at least a google clue.  Thanks
« Last Edit: 15 Oct 2016, 00:13 by RickJ »

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #16 on: 15 Oct 2016, 01:57 »
People already leave their computers on 24/7 and use their idle cpu cycles to search for ETs, solve research problems and for crash commercial purposes.

They all produce something intrinsically valuable which can't be made from thin air at no cost at all.
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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #17 on: 15 Oct 2016, 06:36 »
I'm happy to use it as currency, but I wouldn't invest in it. I would rather buy gold and mining stocks.

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« Reply #18 on: 25 Oct 2016, 10:32 »
[edit]
Btw, CaptianD can you recommend a path into the crypto community you mention, at least a google clue.  Thanks

Apologies, I never noticed this before.

There's a good community at https://bitcointalk.org/.  Personally I'm more interested in the alts than Bitcoin itself but the discussions there are wide-ranging.  As with any forum you have to spend a while distinguishing which members actually know what they're talking about and which ones only think they do!

If you ever pop over there my username is TeamDisaster (since I joined up initially purely as a result of sponsorship of my game, I used our dev team name).


Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #19 on: 26 Jun 2017, 13:24 »
Hey I hate to bring an old thread back, but this is the thread I myself was thinking of starting. Pretty exciting ride these past few months. Probably all going to nosedive again as it did a few years ago during the last boom in interest, but it sure is interesting to see companies offering crypto debit cards that make it now possible to use crypto to make purchases in the real world.

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #20 on: 26 Jun 2017, 14:02 »
Hey I hate to bring an old thread back, but this is the thread I myself was thinking of starting. Pretty exciting ride these past few months. Probably all going to nosedive again as it did a few years ago during the last boom in interest, but it sure is interesting to see companies offering crypto debit cards that make it now possible to use crypto to make purchases in the real world.

BTC continues on an upwards surge - possibly about to drop a bit though? Litecoin's recent surge was interesting (also annoying as I nearly bought a load the day before the first surge... gah!) and I'm curious to see what some of the developments / proposed developments have on market value.  I can't say I'm all that clued in as to what all of them are or how they will turn out, although it seems that unless BTC can truly get some kind of control over the block size issue, Eth or one of the other big alts might actually overtake it in market cap eventually.

One of the coins I'm interested in, "GoldPieces", is having a good little revival and has a new official website - http://goldpieces.network/ - and another, HYPER, has been relaunched as HYPER 2.0, with a pretty strong community behind it.  In terms of mass adoption though even Bitcoin is still in its infancy, and I still think BTC will be the first to gain any real traction on genuine usability for eCommerce.

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #21 on: 26 Jun 2017, 17:26 »
Yeah I'm with you. I'm very bullish on the overall idea. I just wonder if BTC is going to be like Netscape was to the internet once upon a time. Either way, it is exciting to be a part of the movement. I got a XAPO account recently and am waiting anxiously for the debit card. I think these sorts of groups are going to help bring the concept into the mainstream and make it possible for non-tech type people to adopt the idea for general use.

Thanks for the leads on Goldpieces and HYPER. I'll check those out. At the moment I'm only really watching BTC, Ripple and Ether (still kind of a n00b).

Maybe Big Blue Cup should start an altcoin. :-D

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #22 on: 26 Jun 2017, 17:53 »
Wow actually BTC has dipped again just tonight! ~2400 USD

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #23 on: 28 Jun 2017, 09:19 »
I'd just wait until BTC drops below 2k or even 1.5k again before buying big. then buy and save it and wait some years until BTC reaches 10k *rubs crystal ball*  ;-D

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« Reply #24 on: 28 Jun 2017, 11:02 »
I'd just wait until BTC drops below 2k or even 1.5k again before buying big. then buy and save it and wait some years until BTC reaches 10k *rubs crystal ball*  ;-D

It could happen... :P

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #25 on: 28 Jun 2017, 17:48 »
I actually wouldn't be surprised to see it go way higher than that in our lifetime. It's an increasingly popular investment vehicle in countries like China among people that want to save money in assets outside the country. I agree it's going to tumble again at some point, but the next resurrection is going to be even bigger. Mwahahaha

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #26 on: 28 Jun 2017, 22:30 »
China has made a huge investment in mining farms, so they desperately need the price to keep rising so they can stay in profit as hashing difficulty increases.  I would expect to see an upward trend overall, over time, though obviously there will be dips as well.  I'm more interested in alts really.

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #27 on: 29 Jun 2017, 10:52 »
Yeah I guess the alts are where the quick money is. Sort of a gamble really. With my luck any alt I buy would go through the floor! lol :-X:-D

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« Reply #28 on: 29 Jun 2017, 12:45 »
Haha well they can go up or down really easily.  I've never put a penny of "real money" into crypto, just what I've been given as sponsorship or from playing games (not gambling, games that let you earn a little), and dabbled with trading.  I think in general if you can get in early on an alt that has a solid reason for existing, a good communicative dev team and active community, and above all are patient, you can get a nice profit.  Trying to go for the huge profits is, as you say, pretty much gambling (as is any scheme where you hope to get rich quickly I guess).

I find the whole concept of cryptocurrency interesting though.  Just how do we define value / worth?  Why is fiat currency viewed as "real" and crpto not (by the population at large)?  I'm not convinced that true decentralisation is even possible - you need some way of deciding what new innovations to include in your coin, update the GIThub etc, and that inevitably leads to centralisation of a type.  Then of course there are people that take advantage of other's lack of technical savvy for their own advantage, even big exchanges have been prone to attack, 51% attacks have happened, scams, exploits, ponzi schemes... it's quite a minefield to negotiate!

[EDIT] Although actually... after some thought, I don't feel BTC will necessarily become the first crypto to have major adoption.  Although initially this seemed like a no-brainer, these days confirmation times are long enough that an alt with a big market cap and following might just do it first - ETH seems the obvious contender although some that work alongside the BTC network (as I believe Guilden does) may be able to - usable anywhere BTC is accepted but with much faster confirmations (presumably... haven't really looked into that side of things much).  I've always been impressed with Blackcoin too, I think that could be adopted relatively large-scale at some point.
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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #29 on: 10 Jul 2017, 08:11 »
Yeah it is definitely hard to even guess what trends will occur as adoption rates increase. Transaction time for Bitcoin is indeed frustrating, but this will improve mildly with updates. I think people trade off slower transaction time for the safety of lots of nodes due to its massive popularity.

What do you guys think of 'Antshares' (NEO? I think it underwent a name change) This is the most popular China-based crypto at the moment. I tried to read the white paper, but often these concepts are way over my head. Just strikes me like another generic crypto. Seems to be gaining some real steam though.

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #30 on: 10 Jul 2017, 08:59 »
Not familiar with AntShares but one thing immediately noticeable on the BitCoinTalk announcement page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571738.0) is that they have a large and highly visible team, led by a couple of (presumably, according to their descriptions) highly regarded, long-standing members of the crypto community.  Their MarketCap (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/antshares/) seems to have gone through the roof lately, it could just be a massive pump of course but if they're managing to get real-world usage (presumably in China and possibly surrounding countries?) then they could hold the value or even increase it.

I know what you mean about white papers, I've looked at a couple but 1/ the technical specifications are way over my head and 2/ I'm simply not interested enough to persevere reading about them.  I prefer to just know what plans there are for usage in games, acceptance by online traders, and community aspects.

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #31 on: 10 Jul 2017, 20:25 »
I know for a fact Antshares aren't really being used in China for anything. I lived there for about five years and my wife is Chinese (no one in our Chinese circles has ever heard of Antshares), so there is probably a high degree of hype to the whole thing right now. Still interesting though. People in China move money using WeChat, which is sort of like a Whatsapp but with the ability to transfer Chinese yuan around or use it from the app to pay for things in stores. Not quite sure how Antshares would fit into this picture, but I think for a lot of Chinese people the idea of buying non-state controlled investments (i.e. Antshares instead of RMB) would be attractive. Just have to wait and see I guess.

Btw, that thread link you posted - 338 pages of disucssion?! 8-0

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #32 on: 10 Jul 2017, 20:57 »
Btw, that thread link you posted - 338 pages of disucssion?! 8-0

Yeah what tends to happen is the announcement thread of any particular alt gets used for any and every update (and the inevitable trolls etc), so it just keeps building and building.

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #33 on: 11 Jul 2017, 03:54 »
Crazy. I checked the Whois on that site, and it gets 1million+ hits a month! Probably a lot of that is bots.

BTC down at the moment...which means the Antshares I just bought are also down. :-\ I swear all markets anywhere around the world hinge on whether I get involved or not. If you want anything to drop in value, just get me to buy into it. (laugh)

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #34 on: 11 Jul 2017, 11:09 »
If you want anything to drop in value, just get me to buy into it. (laugh)
Really?
So in other words, you could buy a little bit of stock for let's say Microsoft, and when it reaches it's lowest I could buy a load of stock and you sell yours. Then when it gets high again, I sell off my stock and share the profits with you. :-D

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #35 on: 15 Jul 2017, 20:49 »
Hehe cheers. 8-)

Guys: BTC going to fall below $2000 USD tonight??? Crazy times. I'm paper walleting everything in the lead up to the possible fork.

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #36 on: 17 Jul 2017, 09:53 »
I read that as long as you have BTC in your own wallet, you will get the value duplicated on both chains?  (Surely this will lead to a massive price dump if true!!)

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #37 on: 18 Jul 2017, 10:20 »
I read that as long as you have BTC in your own wallet, you will get the value duplicated on both chains?  (Surely this will lead to a massive price dump if true!!)

Yes, I read that everywhere too. I'm not quite sure I understand this concept though. I'm keeping my BTC in a paper wallet until this blows over. My understanding is that when I credit the value in the paper wallet back to the exchange, the exchange will give me value in both currencies (should a fork happen). However, if you leave your holdings in the exchange through Aug 1, you are at the mercy of whatever currency the exchange decides to run with.

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #38 on: 18 Jul 2017, 12:14 »
Yeah, pretty much (I've also never fully understood the whole "paper wallet" thing tbh!! :grin:) - I don't think I really have enough to worry about so I'm either going to leave it on the exchanges or possibly turn it all into a POS coin and let is stake for a while.

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #39 on: 18 Jul 2017, 12:28 »
I didn't understand paper wallets either, so I tried using https://walletgenerator.net/ with a really tiny amount and it seemed to work OK. I transferred the remaining amount to paper wallet (not very much), so I guess everything is OK for now. (I hope! :-\)

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #40 on: 19 Jul 2017, 20:02 »
what lunacy about a fork are you talking about?
The fork should be something else then. And when you have btc you can exchange via exchanges to btcfoark if you want the fork ... features, or whatever the fork should gain to the codebase...
links?

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« Reply #42 on: 23 Jul 2017, 04:09 »
Lol I didn't realise it was so easy to make an altcoin!


Should we launch Big Blue Cup Coin? (laugh) :X

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« Reply #43 on: 23 Jul 2017, 14:31 »
I think a lot of early alts - and modern (but lazy) ones - were simply very slight deviations of the BTC codebase.  Then we had a phase of LTC clones and more recently ETH clones.  Some alts do use completely new code but these are in the minority.

Strange as it may sound, "Big Blue Cup Coin" isn't really a crazy idea, although we may run into trouble with the abbreviation BBCcoin ! :grin::grin:


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« Reply #44 on: 23 Jul 2017, 17:51 »
(laugh) BBCcoin! Let's claim it before the BBC does!

What purpose could an AGS coin serve? I guess it could be a way for people to invest in the value of this community? i.e. if the community expands and more people buy the coin, everyone's value goes up. But I think most wouldn't be into that. Part of the AGS charm is its 'secret club' feel. Anything to encourage mass adoption probably wouldn't be welcome by the community I'm guessing.

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« Reply #45 on: 24 Jul 2017, 09:16 »
If anything it could theoretically be used as a forum tipping service, much like Reddcoin.  But I don't see many people going for it, it's difficult enough for a coin to gain mass adoption within the crypto community itself, far less a community such as this where the number of people interested / involved in crypto probably stands at about 0.02%!

There was a crowd-funding site based on crypto instead of fiat that I thought was going to be very interesting, but it basically died after a few months.  I still think that idea has merit, but perhaps the climate is not right for it yet.

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« Reply #46 on: 24 Jul 2017, 12:53 »
The thought of 0.02% adoption (laugh)

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« Reply #47 on: 24 Jul 2017, 12:58 »
The thought of 0.02% adoption (laugh)

We could label it as "ULTRA-SECURE" (because no-one would want it anyway) and "ULTRA LOW DISTRIBUTION" (only a million coins will ever be made), no ICO, no pre-mine, You, I and Selmiak can be given a starting stake of 1000 each (yeah I know how can we do this with no pre-mine?
  BECAUSE WE CAN DO WHAT WE WANT!)
and it can be pure POS at 0.02% per day.  Yessir, we've got a winner on our hands!

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« Reply #48 on: 24 Jul 2017, 13:16 »
The ultimate shitcoin. So secure we can't even give it away!

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« Reply #49 on: 25 Jul 2017, 13:06 »
Part of the AGS charm is its 'secret club' feel. Anything to encourage mass adoption probably wouldn't be welcome by the community I'm guessing.
Wait what? I thought we were TRYING to encourage mass adoption here. (laugh)

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« Reply #50 on: 02 Aug 2017, 18:11 »
Well, the fork happened, just didn't seem to be quite what people expected.

Aaaaaaand... with all the uncertainty I used a lot of my BTC on Bittrex to buy more HYPER and GP, thinking that anything held on an exchange wouldn't benefit from the fork.  Just checked my account and I have  equivalent Bitcoin Cash (BCC) as I had BTC... probably worth a lot more profit than I will get from staking my POS coins.  Oh well...

(Incidetnally... over sixty three THOUSAND BTC-worth of BCC traded on Trex today!! :shocked:  Nearly ten times the amount of ETH traded and thirty times LTC!)

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« Reply #51 on: 03 Aug 2017, 05:33 »
:smiley: <---- This is bitcoin going over my head.
:= <---- This is my head.

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« Reply #52 on: 03 Aug 2017, 18:59 »
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/9kwepa/bitcoin-has-forked
nice read about the split and speculations about both currencies future.
BTC seems unaffected by the split and BCC drives crazy...

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« Reply #53 on: 04 Aug 2017, 13:17 »
Well, the fork happened, just didn't seem to be quite what people expected.

Aaaaaaand... with all the uncertainty I used a lot of my BTC on Bittrex to buy more HYPER and GP, thinking that anything held on an exchange wouldn't benefit from the fork.  Just checked my account and I have  equivalent Bitcoin Cash (BCC) as I had BTC... probably worth a lot more profit than I will get from staking my POS coins.  Oh well...

(Incidetnally... over sixty three THOUSAND BTC-worth of BCC traded on Trex today!! :shocked:  Nearly ten times the amount of ETH traded and thirty times LTC!)

I'm surprised BTC stayed as stable as it did ('stable' as far as BTC is concerned, that is; I was expected a full on garage sale in the lead up to Aug 1!) Not so surprised about BCC, as I guess it was more the wildcard. I wonder if it's worth buying some Bitcoin Cash soon in hopes it gains some traction down the road the way Bitcoin Classic did? Bitcoin Classic went on to have 1000% growth over the course of a year or two.

Yeah I emptied the little Bitcoin holding I have into a paper wallet, so at some point I'll build a strategy on what to do next. I guess moving it back into a digital wallet is supposed to give you split holdings in both currencies?

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« Reply #54 on: 04 Aug 2017, 13:26 »
I'm also quite surprised, I though BTC might drop significantly with a concomitant rise in the major (and possibly minor) alts, but nothing too dramatic seems to have happened.  I'd be quite surprised if ETH didn't surge upwards towards the end of the year (but purely on a hunch).  I wonder how strong LTC will stay?

I expect BCC will go down for a while but I'm certain it'll get pumped at some point.

Hey I also unexpectedly received some Lumen (XLM) for free - seems there's quite an incentive to just hold BTC, even on an exchange, even if it doesn't appreciate that much.

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« Reply #55 on: 05 Aug 2017, 08:47 »
yay, I bought some BTC yesterday. The amount I traded is probably not responsible for that rise in value but I did profit :)

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« Reply #56 on: 11 Aug 2017, 09:09 »
Congrats! I also randomly bought Antshares (now called NEO) at $8 a few weeks back. Now sitting at $35. 8-) This might be the first time EVER something I've invested in didn't tank! (laugh)

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« Reply #57 on: 11 Aug 2017, 12:21 »
Congrats! I also randomly bought Antshares (now called NEO) at $8 a few weeks back. Now sitting at $35. 8-) This might be the first time EVER something I've invested in didn't tank! (laugh)

Hehe it had to happen sometime! :grin:

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« Reply #58 on: 12 Aug 2017, 01:10 »
BTC $3650+ ;-D


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« Reply #60 on: 17 Aug 2017, 07:16 »
Now I'm wishing it would go back down to $3600! (laugh) I need to buy more. :-\

Sold my NEO at $48 USD and bought a bunch of Ripple with it, which to me seems underpriced at the moment at 0.16 USD (was up around .30 for a stretch, so I'm hoping it is going to bounce back).

I heard some cool things about this Ark. Building a platform for anyone to create a cryptocurrency using a few clicks, which I think is a really cool idea and would make for a platform in which the public could literally invest in ...anything! Create a coin for yourself, your dog, the city of Seoul, your punk rock community, ...anything! Not exactly sure whether the idea will take off or not, but definitely interesting.

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« Reply #61 on: 17 Aug 2017, 08:42 »
I heard some cool things about this Ark. Building a platform for anyone to create a cryptocurrency using a few clicks, which I think is a really cool idea and would make for a platform in which the public could literally invest in ...anything! Create a coin for yourself, your dog, the city of Seoul, your punk rock community, ...anything! Not exactly sure whether the idea will take off or not, but definitely interesting.

Ugh... as if there aren't enough alts around already!!! 8-0  I guess if there's a large community and something to give new coins created some intrinsic value, maybe they've got as good a chance of succeeding as anything... guess things like 51% attack protection must be built into it?  DIY altcoins will surely just become P&D coins 99.9% of the time?  Like the vast majority of existing alts.

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« Reply #62 on: 17 Aug 2017, 09:09 »
Yeah fair enough. And yes, so many alts out there already! But I do think there's going to be some sort of 'kickstarter' of crypto, where users start coins as a way to raise capital but also gives others a chance to invest in the project instead of just donate.

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« Reply #63 on: 17 Aug 2017, 10:41 »
But I do think there's going to be some sort of 'kickstarter' of crypto, where users start coins as a way to raise capital but also gives others a chance to invest in the project instead of just donate.

That's an interesting idea actually.  PICISI was supposed to be a crypto-based Kickstarter but never really took off and has subsequently vanished... but yeah, there's probably mileage in the concept.

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« Reply #64 on: 18 Aug 2017, 05:01 »
Yeah I think it is a cool concept too. Or the idea that you could be a smart university student, 20 years old, very bright future ahead of you, and you start a coin so the world can invest in you, i.e. betting on you gaining some mileage in life and creating something of value for humanity.

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« Reply #65 on: 18 Aug 2017, 05:29 »
I don't get those numbers. What does $3600 etc mean? Surely that's not the amount that one bitcoin is worth?

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« Reply #66 on: 18 Aug 2017, 08:34 »
I don't get those numbers. What does $3600 etc mean? Surely that's not the amount that one bitcoin is worth?

The crazy thing is, this is exactly what one bitcoin is worth.
https://bitcoincharts.com/charts/bitstampUSD#rg5ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
one BTC was worth $3.900 3 days ago. If you had bought one 3 days ago for $ 3900 you could have sold it half a day ago for $4450 and made $550 in 2 days. If you had bought 2 BTCs your profit would have doubled. But look at that crazy curve, the same thing can happen downwards and you might have lost $500 or $1000 (but still have the same amount of BTC if you don't sell it...). BTC is very volatile and the worth is changing all the time, so don't invest if you need the money somewhere else and urgently need BTC to rise ;)

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« Reply #67 on: 19 Aug 2017, 06:54 »
I don't get those numbers. What does $3600 etc mean? Surely that's not the amount that one bitcoin is worth?

Yeah the price has been going up like crazy. Bound for a correction soonish. If you are new to Bitcoin, numbers like '3600' doesn't mean you can only buy in if you pay for a whole Bitcoin. You can by any fraction of a Bitcoin you want.

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« Reply #68 on: 19 Aug 2017, 07:19 »
Anyone tried this 'Brave' browser you keep hearing the crypto community talk about? I'm downloading it now.

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« Reply #69 on: 19 Aug 2017, 09:52 »
I did read into it

from here: http://www.knowyourmobile.com/products/brave-web-browser/23731/brave-browser-basically-anti-chrome
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So instead of blocking all ads, Brave seeks out the really intrusive ones–those ones known as “Malvertising” that can install malware on your computer without your knowledge–and replaces them with Brave’s own advertising that is less intrusive on your privacy.

The company will then keep 15% of the ad revenue for itself, pay 55% of the revenue to the content publisher whose site the ad appears on, give 15% to ad partners, and finally, give 15% of ad revenue to Brave users, who can then donate that money to bloggers and other content providers via micropayments–meaning that you decide which sites of those you love gets the cash for the ads.
so how will they pay the 55% to website publishers? The words sound noble but how? It seems to me more like they replace ads on websites with their own ads, take 70% (15%+55%) of the admoney and bait users with the 15%  they share to use their browser and view their ads.
the brave website says the browser just blocks all ads and trackers and has some payment system...

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« Reply #70 on: 24 Aug 2017, 16:50 »
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/zmvkke/this-is-not-a-drill-a-hacker-allegedly-stole-dollar32-million-in-ethereum

even bad press draws some attention. And hackers deem ether (ETH) worthy of stealing and hacking, so, this bad press might even down the value of ETH some, but it will rise again after people get over the cautioness from the hacks and see it is worthy the investment. So don't take my word for it, noone knows the future, but it seems now is a good time to put some 50-100 or 1000 real life coins into this and save it for some years. Or maybe 10-50 every month while it's on the rise, just like you would stuff it into the sock under your pillow ;)

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« Reply #71 on: 28 Aug 2017, 05:30 »
Monero's had quite the run. Not surprising at all given its now the face for anonymous crypto. Wish I had bought it before this jump! :undecided:(laugh) Probably still a good buy considering its opening up for trade on that large Korean market today. It's currently at $133 USD. Let's see where it goes this coming week!

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« Reply #72 on: 09 Sep 2017, 15:44 »
I had an eventful few weeks. NEO shot back up from $20 USD, which was nice, but I'm riding this one a bit more longterm. Hoping it gets back to its previous $50 USD high. Just need a positive word from the Chinese gov. (roll)

I bought some Ethereum for the first time. Prices haven't been this low in a while, so I thought it might be an opportunity to experiment with different coins.

Because I use Bittrex (and exchange that operates in BTC and not USD), I've been analysing growth of alts in BTC prices to sort of hedge against movements in BTC. Sucks when you make a gain in an alt only to find out that BTC made that same gain and you would have been better off just leaving your funds in BTC. (wtf)

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« Reply #73 on: 09 Sep 2017, 17:31 »
I kept hold of some HTML5coin, and it seems to be resurfacing - currently at 2 sats (even selling at that would still be nice) but I have hopes that it will touch 10 sats again at some points.  Lots of activity / apparent activity by the devs.

REALLY wish I'd kept hold of some DigiBytes!! (DGB)  375 sats currently.

Diamonds (DMD) is still doing very nicely indeed, active community and dev, V3 coming in a couple of days which introduces MasterNodes and should push the price up even further.

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« Reply #74 on: 14 Sep 2017, 18:54 »
bitcoin is going down over the last days and especially heavy today.
Probably because the JP morgan boss called it unreal or so in the press. mean, but this happens every time one of these financial institution people that are scared of the value of code shoot at btc.
the question is how long will it go down? 1 day? 3 days? or even longer? I think once it reached some value people will invest again as they see it is cheap now. So you have to find that moment before it rises again or just buy some now before it rises again. Who knows :)

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« Reply #75 on: 15 Sep 2017, 10:11 »
Yeah, and I think a major driver was one of the exchanges in China announcing it will close end of the month to comply with Chinese regulations. Lots of people nervous about this too. Anyway it's a great time to buy 8-)

Not sure how low it will go. Here is a cool table of historical corrections:


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« Reply #76 on: 15 Sep 2017, 11:47 »
Diamond V3 wallet should be released today including Master Nodes and taking away stake age weighting.  Pretty sure it's not hit its ceiling yet.  I've got mine held on an exchange until the new wallet launches, seriously thinking about selling some if it hits 0.002BTC.

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« Reply #77 on: 18 Sep 2017, 12:32 »
What on earth is going on with DOGE?!?!?  Is is just getting ready for a huge pump by some whales?

Shame I never invested in some Myriad or BitBean when they were dirt cheap... oh well at least I made a good return on DMD.

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« Reply #78 on: 18 Sep 2017, 14:31 »
I think part of Doge's problem is it doesn't do anything new. It's sort of like a Bitcoin clone with a dog's head.

Lol you really like those random coins. Bitbean? I'd never even think to buy that. I'm sure there are those that make some randomly incredible gains, but with my luck I'd never successfully pick them out.

Bought 0.1 BTC more NEO last night. My guess is the moment China figures out its crypto game plane that sucka's going to jump back up to its earlier high.

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« Reply #79 on: 25 Sep 2017, 13:48 »
bitcoin is on some plateau, it could go down from there (if at all, a max of 500 down, no more) or more and more people buy in and it goes through the roof again *yawn*
It seem the ~3000$ value is some magic value the curve dances around, just becaise people want to buy below 3k, some get nervous and buy for close to 3k but above and thus it rises again and the less than 3k bidders get nothing, maybe it goes down below the 3k but my estimation is a rise, but if it goes below 3k, then not by much....

also ether (ETH) has dropped a lot in value but is on the rise again, maybe the rise continues.

Have any of you converted their pre-fork BTC to BCC already? Can you just sell this then???

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« Reply #80 on: 25 Sep 2017, 14:03 »
I've got pre-fork BTC on a paper wallet. No idea how to extract the BCC. If I scan it into Mycelium wallet I worry the BCC will just evaporate into thin air.

Yes, if you manage to get the BCC out then you can sell it at market price on any exchange that lists it.

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« Reply #81 on: 25 Sep 2017, 14:28 »
I only had BTC on exchanges and they credited the BCC automatically.  I'm not sure how you perform the action yourself - or if there is a time limit on doing so.

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« Reply #82 on: 26 Sep 2017, 14:42 »
I guess the time limit would be until the next fork? No idea. I wish I'd left my Bitcoin on the exchange then too!

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« Reply #83 on: 26 Sep 2017, 15:19 »
I wish I'd left my Bitcoin on the exchange then too!

I actually thought I might be making a huge mistake but in the end just went with it.

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« Reply #84 on: 26 Sep 2017, 15:55 »
You should see China right now - everyone using their phones to transfer RMB (Chinese currency) via QR codes connected to 'WeChat' (the popular Whatsapp-like app there). It's the norm for transacting now. Witnessing that has made it clear to me that turning on a similar transaction model for crypto in China can happen overnight. It's really up to the government to decide what they're going to do, what coin they're going to roll with. Very interesting times! This next year is going to be exciting.

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« Reply #85 on: 26 Sep 2017, 21:41 »
what would happen if the gov would force the chinese population to use a state coin? Will people be scared of total state co(i)ntrol and get more btc or will they be scare to not be able to access all their btc anymore and buy lots of statecoins? That would make btc fall quite heavy I suppose. But can the state really enfore a cryptocurrency on people? What will people do that don't have electronic devices just because they cannot afford them but still need to handle money to survive? Can they block access to bitcoin wallets?

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« Reply #86 on: 25 Oct 2017, 18:44 »
Well I guess we survived Shitcoin Gold. Bitcoin sure does seem to be gaining a lot of backing these days. I'm hoping China will announce its plans regarding crypto. Should sense everything back into a profitable tizzy.

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« Reply #87 on: 01 Nov 2017, 14:08 »
$6500+ 8-0

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« Reply #88 on: 02 Nov 2017, 13:06 »
What on earth is going on with Dogecoin?  I bought some at 18 sat as I just can't believe it won't get a huge pump at some stage... am starting to seriously wonder if it will actually go all the way down to 1 sat before it starts coming up again!

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #89 on: 02 Nov 2017, 13:38 »
wow! such doge! much coin! :-D


bitcoin is creepy atm. I guess now is the time to sell and not to buy and when everyone gets it and sells there will be a decrease shortly after. or following that trend btc goes to 10k in one day and 100k in 2h afterwards :P

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #90 on: 02 Nov 2017, 14:26 »
Two things happened: (1) China reentered the ring and (2) futures can be bought on BTC now in the US.

BUT

There is a hard fork coming. November 16. Let's see what happens before/after. Hoping for a major correction and another buying opportunity...
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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #91 on: 02 Nov 2017, 16:49 »
you want to mine bitcoins but don't want a new computer for this? Just use your old phones :)
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kvdv9/samsung-upcycling-galaxy-s5-bitcoin-mining-rig

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #92 on: 02 Nov 2017, 18:06 »
you want to mine bitcoins but don't want a new computer for this? Just use your old phones :)
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kvdv9/samsung-upcycling-galaxy-s5-bitcoin-mining-rig

Haha what a funky idea.

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #93 on: 07 Nov 2017, 02:00 »
you want to mine bitcoins but don't want a new computer for this? Just use your old phones :)
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/3kvdv9/samsung-upcycling-galaxy-s5-bitcoin-mining-rig

(laugh) Nice!

Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #94 on: 07 Nov 2017, 02:02 »
Guys ~ any predictions for post-fork BTC prices? We've dropped to 7050 USD now; I'm guessing some of this is nerves over the upcoming fork (Nov 16), so perhaps will drop further and create a good buying opportunity. Post-fork...no idea really but I'm guessing the new Bitcoin will just keep steaming ahead after the fork dust settles. Could totally see 10K by end of year.

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Re: Anyone else interested in cryptocurrency?
« Reply #95 on: 07 Nov 2017, 09:07 »
Well... hmm... the last fork did the price no harm at all! :-D

On the other hand... I'm not sure I can see BTC continuing to rise at this rate.  I would expect it to level out at some point at least for a while, slight dip, some of the alts have a brief resurgence and then they drop, BTC goes up again...

Then again it's possible that the whales have found a sustainable way of profiting from keeping BTC on a generally upwards trend.  I think $10K is definitely possible early in 2018.