Gay Stereotypes vs laptops vs americans

[Czar]

LOL, a small development group decided to make a game Similar to LSL but with a gay protagonist.
The working title should be The hunt for the golden joystick.Lol.
So now i see in what direction the adventure games are going  

Oh yeah (OT), is it true that in the US laptops dont cost more than 200$?

[Scummbuddy]

There is no link for us to join in in your merryment.

and i guess you could get one for that much money, but you probably wouldnt want it.  a good one starts at about 800

[Darth Mandarb]

If anybody knows where to get a laptop in the US for only $200 please let me know!!!

Search for the Golden Joystick ... that's a good title!

dm

[DGMacphee]

Gay Adventures are old news!

Play Stickman and notice the homoerotic tension between Doug and Toby.

Then again, they could just be two really good friends!

Or cousins!  

[rodekill]

HAHA lololol peeple hoo r difrint are stoopid.

[Snake]

Don't forget about our date this time, Rodeypoo.


--Snake

[rodekill]

With a name like Snake, how can I resist?

[Czar]

rode, sorry if you got my lol as laughing to gay and all different people. It was just funny for me to hear about a game that has a similar concept like LSL, but with gay people.
Now you tell me, if you played the gayme wouldnt you find it even a bit humourous?

[m0ds]

Its amazing to think that those who made "F*ck Quest" were actually quoting Shakespeare.


m0ds

[Raggit]

I am totally fed up with the whole gay thing.  

And so is most of America. But it just keeps on coming. With Queer eye for the straight guy thing aren't going to get any better either. I just wish queers would shut up.  

If that's how they wanna live then let then that's fine but please, shut up.  

Somebody stop me.   I'll just keep on typing.

[Ghormak]

That's excellent reasoning, Raggit. I once saw somebody with red hair act like a total ass, so therefore I hate everybody with red hair.

[anasazi]

Hmm . . . more gay rights . . . $200 dollar laptops . . . anyone else see a connection here?  Why are we objecting?  Hell, maybe if we allow gay marriage, we can get our laptops free!  Free!
I hardly think of "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" as being the voice of the GBLT community in the US - anymore than I think of lesbian porn as a weapon of women's lib.

On topic . . . it would be nice to know *who* this group was.  LSL was a success partly because the main character was a mockery of the social life of how the world sees engineers - backwards, awkward, badly dressed . . .
It might be a PR nightmare to create a game that has that same mocking element for a minority population.  (The equivalent of doing a blackface game, if what I'm imagining is correct.)

[MrColossal]

raggit if you're kidding then: heh

raggit if you're not kidding: shut up

i'm sure some "crazy homo" walked up to NBC or whoever and said "HEY! I'm a fag, this is the show we're gonna do! It's about gay people doing what they do best! Make overs and style! I don't care if no one will like it, you're gonna make it and play it even if america hates it!" and NBC did it cause they were afraid of AIDS.

some marketing group probably said "Let's exploit ideas and stereotypes about homosexuals and make a show about it. People want to see something new and homosexuality is the new interrracial couple!" so the execs said "They won't be doing that 'fellatio' thing will they? No? Then fine, just don't mention anything about their sex lives, only in the title."

But yea, freakin' gays! First they get on our TV and now our ArchBishopsness! It's like they completely came out of no where and this is the first time anyone's ever heard of them!

And since Czar offered no link or point of reference i can't find anything worth talking about in response to the topic, i would say some thing in response to anasazi but it would just be speculation and "well maybe they'll do this!"

eric

[Raggit]

All I said was I'm sick of hearing about gays. Who, BTW, are actually only 6 % of the population, but
becuase of shows like QEFTSG (what an abbreaviation!) they are "advertised" and are shoved up in our faces.  It's such an annoyance.    

What was so terrible about that?  

If you wanna discuss this thing, PM me or something, so that we'll not disturb this thread further.  And if you do, please tell me wich part of my post rubbed you the wrong way and why.  Oh yes, and any "your an ass" PMs will be removed and ignored.

Czar, I'm sorry for firing up this thread and running it off course.  

[taryuu]

now would this agme be made by gay poeple?  and if it was, is it then ok to make fun of said homersexual stereotypes?  by extension if a bunch of breeders made a game about fag stereoptypes, would it still be ok?


huh huh "shoved up in our faces"

[rodekill]

I would question the '6% of the population' thing, but there's no real way to know. Where do these numbers come from anyways? Surveys? Yeah, because people who are in the closet are really going to come out just so we can all get a more accurate picture.
"You know, I've been agonizing over when I should tell my friends and family about this, but now that this survey thing has come up, well, looks like here's my chance!"
Anyways.
Czar -> Ok, that's cool. I thought you were mocking the idea.

[Raggit]

I should have learned by now that stating any opinions in this community concering anything as touchy as homosexuality always leads to a fight, or argument.


Actually, for that matter saying ANYTHING that the rest of the crowd doesn't agree with leads to a fight.  It's like talking to a sound activated bomb.  

[DGMacphee]

Raggit: That's because this community tries to promote accaptance for all walks of life, whether black, white, grean, yellow, gay, straight, bi, or zoophile (if that's your thing).

And merely stating your bonehead opinion without any degree of real reasoning (unless you count 'gay people should shut up', which I don't), just shows what a dick you are.

Now shut up or else I'll get the rednecks from Deliverence to take care of your purty mouth.



As for Gay TV shows:
I'm sure a bunch of whitebread suckers like us were having the same conversation in the 60s when black TV shows became all the rage.

Now it's practically manditory to have a black stereoytype on the show going "HEEEEY SISTAS! YOU IS ALL THAT AND A BAG OF CHIPS! WORD!"

BTW, if Friends is set in New York, how come you hardly see any black people?

New York my arse!

Ah who cares -- Will and Grace still makes me laugh.

Hehehehe, that Jack is so crazy!

[MrColossal]

ok, fair enough, what about all the heterosexuals that are shoved in your face, raggit?

Married by America, hetero

Bachelor, hetero

Blind Date, hetero

Elimindate, hetero

Who Wants to Marry My Dad, hetero

Newlywed Game, hetero

Bachelorette, hetero

stop me when you see a pattern. I'm trying not to yell at you, i'm trying to get you to think before you form an opinion. now list all the gay shows that are getting shoved in your face.

[DGMacphee]

Eric, what are you talking about???

The Bachelor is gay!

Everyone knows that!

The 20 women thing is a cover.



EDIT: http://www.bash.org/?128542

* DGMacphee giggles his crackerwhite arse off!

[Raggit]

I'm confused with all this going on now.  What is it that I said that caused such an explosion?? Was it the shut up thing?? Let me rephrase it:

Please respect my sexuality and my opinions and quit trying to switch me over to your side. I'm happy where I am.

BTW, the figure 6 % IS from a survey from Bill O'Riley. On Fox.

Finally, if you guys don't agree with me, that's fine, but why not have a little more respect for my opinion? I agree, I was being too harsh with the way I worded it. But take it in context with my point.

Funny, America has freedom of speech until it is politically incorrect.  

[Czar]

Well, yeah, i think i shouldnt have started a thread without too much reference, but it was partially german and not even too official, probably you cant even find it on google...
But when (if), it comes out, you will see more of it, if youre interested that is...
I just wanted to share the information with you people, but maybe i just did it too early.

[Esseb]

Yeah, Rode and DG are both from the USA. And your posts haven't been deleted, freedom of speech right there.

[MrColossal]

silly people, the internet was invented in the US and we're just letting you use it.

[DGMacphee]

Please respect my sexuality and my opinions and quit trying to switch me over to your side. I'm happy where I am.

Finally, if you guys don't agree with me, that's fine, but why not have a little more respect for my opinion? I agree, I was being too harsh with the way I worded it. But take it in context with my point.

I'm not gay, but I have a lot of friends who are.

So, why should I show respect for you opinion when you show no respect for my friends?

And how can I take context into account when your comments were so shabbily worded that it was hard to make any context out of it?


P.S. The internet was made in the US -- Al Gore still has the boot disks.

[rodekill]

There's a difference between being politically un-correct and being ignorant.
If you don't want your opinion discussed, then don't bring it up, especially if you go out of your way to make sure it's going to be an unpopular one.

Bill O'Riley... come on.

[Raggit]

Okay, that's the end of it.  I accept my defeat and hand you the victory.  I started an ill fated debate and caused more trouble than it was worth.  Evidently you're right and I'm wrong.  I definatly asked for what I got with the way I worded it.  But I don't think any other words would've prevented what happened.  

I've gradually started to feel out of place in this community, like I'm causing friction. I'm a very strong willed person and I know there are a lot other strong willed people here. But I never see them disagreeing with eachother.

I've had thoughts of leaving before and I'm having them now.  I don't know if they're coming out of my frustration or if they're coming becuase it's time for me to move on.  I don't know.  

Though I'd really miss all of you strong willed people if I did leave!!

But I came here becuase I wanted to make a game.  Over the past couple years that desire faded somewhat as I relised that to do what I wanted to do would take an entire team of people as well as a different engine.  Since I rarely involve myself in the actual creation of games (except for doing their music) things have probably grown more tense as I involved myself in more of the debates etc...

Leaving would mean my only involvment with this place would be doing the music for the people that hired me to do so.

What would you do in this situation?  And please, this is not a plead for attention or sympathy.

Sorry if I hurt you guys.  I dunno what got into me.  I just posted one stupid post and becuase of all the arguing I just kept replying and stuff.  Just kinda blindly wandering, not really considering what I was saying.  

[Sluggo]

Well, to quote Minimi's avatar: "I'm sad that I'm flying"

I hope that helps.

[Snake]

I don't have a problem with gay people. But to tell you the truth, I am more disturbed about gay men than gay woman, being that I am a man, and of course I love women. I think they are the most beautiful creatures to walk the face of the earth. It's something to see two woman kissing and holding hands...it's a turn on. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not attracted to men, so I think it's unsettling, but at the same time I don't care. They're still human beings, blood/bones/emotions/opinions so they can do whatever the hell they want. Same thing goes with strait women, I'm pretty sure that some think the same way as I do, they aren't attracted to women, so they find it a little unsettling to see two women kissing, doing whatever.

What I don't like about particluar gay men, is when they act like they are a woman, talk like one, their actions, dressing like women. You might be gay and love men, but you're still a MAN. You're of the male gender, why must you "prance" around and make me and a lot of other people feel unconfortable? I know we must except them for who they are, and I agree of course, but they should also understand that not everyone is comfotable about seeing that. Gay men might be all happy and comfortable with expressing their sexuality, but not everyone wants to whitness it. This I can't explain because I'm not gay myself. If I were gay I'd probably act the same way. So I don't know.

One show I do not approve of is that new one, don't know what it's called, but I heard about it. It revolves around this group of gay men that go around changing as many strait men as they can find and turn them gay (I'm just damned sick of these stupid reality shows). Why turn a strait man gay, or even a gay man strait, leave them be. They are who they are.

Tell me off if you must, if I offended you.


--Snake

[Trapezoid]

I think the show you're thinking of is "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy", and it's about gay guys helping a straight guy with fashion and stuff, not turning him gay. Still, it's just playing off a dumb stereotype.  :

[Squinky]

I'll tell ya, I'm not too fond of these shows either....

I pretty much agree with Snake, but we all share this planet so thats about it eh?

[Trapezoid]

Well friends, this certainly has been a gay adventure.
I guess we can lock up now...

[Las Naranjas]

It's a pity the effeminate stereotype is so prevalent when it's so rare in actuality.

If there were only more public figures like Ian Roberts

[MrColossal]

snake... well... hmm...

you think men should act a certain way and women should act a certain way? being a MAN is having an x and y chromosome. why does there have to be these preconcived notions of what a man is? do men use tools and sweat and hate the colour pink? women should be dainty and smell nice and prance?

don't you think this is very silly? i don't want to attack you i just want you to think about it.

i don't know how to fix a car and i've never even driven one. i like the colour purple and i like tori amos. i don't like body hair and i hate shaving, i like teddy bears and hugging my girlfriend and i hate sports. I have slim wrists and i wear a lot of bracelets sometimes, many of them are rainbow coloured. am i still a man?  if you say yes then look a this...

now what do you say?

edit: oh yea, and overly masculine guys going to beaches and looking at girls and making cat calls and punching people and people who get way to into sports games and fight over football... these people make me uncomfortable, shouldn't they have to censor themselves too? why just gay people?

eric

[rodekill]

Well, I'm quite hairy and wear pretty much just jeans and t-shirts all the time, so I'm gonna have to use another example from personal experience.

When I was a kid, no one had computers. I was the only one. These were in the dark ages when only losers and geeks knew how to turn a computer on. I never told people about my hobby, because it always ended in my feelings being hurt.
Anyways, nowadays everyone uses them, at least for the internet, and I bet if you asked, most people wouldn't be able to give you a real good reason why things were different years ago.

Point being, times change. Points of view evolve. Does that mean you should wait around for it to happen? Why not look ahead and try to be open minded? Hopefully one day gay people will be accepted for what they are. Hell, hopefully one day everyone will be accepted for what they are. Why not get ahead of the pack?

I like hugging girls too.

[Raggit]

Well I feel like a totall moron.  I disrupted a normal thread with a retarded post that should've never been posted.  

I won't mess this thread up anymore than I already have, but I'd just like to let everybody know I'm sorry about this.  I'm not going to leave for good, just going to take a break.  

Sorry folks.  

[MrColossal]

what the hell is that supposed to mean?! jesus man i thought you were leaving!!

oh my god, it's like do you hate everyone?!

hehe nah, this wasn't that much of a wowser thread. czar said he might have heard some place that maybe someone was kinda making a game about a gay person... in russian

sorry to have exploded on your but it made for some interesting discussion

eric

[Sluggo]

Yeah and on the whole gay subject, apparently a lot of women like to see two guys kissing and whatnot, just like guys like lesbians.

[Trapezoid]

Of course that only started after guys obsessed with lesbians for years... Copycats.
Personally, I don't see what the big deal with lesbos is anyway... What kind of guy fantasizes about women who won't have sex with him? They're all over the place in real life!

[Timosity]

silly people, the internet was invented in the US and we're just letting you use it.

I know it's a joke,(and I never read what was written before you eddited it) but it has some truth in it, the internet started out by American University's, they wanted to link them all together to communicate with each other, I think also NASA had something to do with it.

It grew from there, but at the same time other countries ie Australia had plenty of networks in companies, Uni's, lots of BBS that people used, which eventually caught on to the internet thing.

The internet is not just 1 thing invented by a person, it's litterally billions of different networks hooked up through a cable, that had no real development process and is still very experimental.

I have no real point, but if America decided to shut the internet down, it wouldn't happen, cause the rest of the world would still use it, so no, America isn't just letting us use it, they are just using us for illegal information.


As for the topic, I don't see any problem with it, I don't know if I'd play it (unless you got the choice of being a lesbian) but I'm sure there are plenty of people who would be interested.

I'm sure gay people aren't thrilled to play LSL and have to sleep with women (I could be wrong, I guess it's only a game, with great puzzles)

I guess the game could be good if the game play and story are good.

and send me one of those $200 laptops please

[Trapezoid]

Heh, that reminds me of a nice quote I grabbed off of a Fark flamewar (after someone was bashing Americans...)

That's right, Americans are stupid.
Which is proven by the fact that we harnessed electricity, pioneered modern mass-production, invented the microchip, then personal computers, and ultimately facilitated the development of the Internet, all so foreigners could log on and tell us how stupid we are.

[Timosity]

Then those silly Japanese people came along and made it with quality

[MrColossal]

yea it's a joke, poking fun at the fact that raggit says that america is all about free speech when this board is not america

but it takes the spanish to create the ZUMEX MOVIL!

it has a sink in it!! A SINK!

[Snake]

NOTE to ERIC
Man, it took me like 3 hours to finish this...and it's four in the morning now...I gotta go. But I wrote some stuff here that might be confusing. I'm not very good with expressing my feelings (putting them into words) and having them come out correct. I realize what started this whole thing between us. It was when I said, "What I don't like about particluar gay men, is when they act like they are a woman, talk like one, their actions, dressing like women.". I know that's what started you off. But I try to express what the hell I mean...so hopefully you can see my side a bit. Goddamn, man, I hate fighting. The thing that started it all between you and I I think, was that fucking RAP comment I said a long time ago back on the EZBoard forums...where you reemed me a new ass. So now I supposed I'm a major ass in your eyes? I hope not, but for some reason I've been getting that feeling ever since. I'm half alseep so I'll finally post this damned hting.


Eric, I think you might be overreacting a bit.

you think men should act a certain way and women should act a certain way?

Where did I ever fucking say MEN should be beer drinking sloths who love sports and know everything about mechanics? I didn't. And I for one am nothing like that. I hate that stereotypical shit as much as you do.
Look, I'm not hear to argue with you. But you've got to try to understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not as good with words as everyone here, I always get shit jumbled up and my theories/thoughts sometimes don't come out the way I'm feeling them.

You're shooting your mouth off at me like I said I hate gays and they all should be killed. I never in any way said that. I already explained that I don't mind gay men, they are who they are and that doesn't bother me, I don't give a flying circus monkey fuck if they're gay or not! They are just as much human/man as me, they just love different. I love woman, they love men. So what?
Don't you see? We're on the same side here, man, all I said was that I find it unsettling to see two gay men kissing or walking around with make-up on. I just don't like it. Why am I wrong? I can't not like that? I can't have an opinion about gay men wearing make-up? I see where you're coming from though, with the stereotype, where "men aren't supposed to wear make-up and wear dresses", but think beyond that. I'm not saying they should be in tattered jeans and wear t-shirts with grease all over them carrying a toolbox. In my opinion, men just don't look good in make-up.
Same thing about women. I don't like it when they shave their head or cut their hair real short, gay or not. I just don't find that attractive, so am I a  stereotype because I personally find women more attractive with longer hair? I didn't think so before, but maybe I am, eh?

being a MAN is having an x and y chromosome.

Exactly, that's what I meant when I wrote:

You might be gay and love men, but you're still a MAN.

I didn't mean MAN as in the stereotype MAN, "Sweaty/dirty mechanic who loves sports". Man as in MALE, having a penis.

why does there have to be these preconcived notions of what a man is?

I don't know. I didn't make up that rule, but I like I said before, I agree with you, it's stupid. It's something that's been around forever, through generations and generations. I DON'T KNOW, man. I also hate it when you watch TV sitcoms and all you see are the stereotype MAN as the husband...beer drinking, slug, loves cars and sprts and all that junk. They're all the same. It's been here since the beginning of time, where woman did nothing but make babies while man killed dinner. I think women should be able to do whatever the hell they want, work wherever they want and so on. I'm on the same page as you.

i don't know how to fix a car and i've never even driven one. i like the colour purple and i like tori amos. i don't like body hair and i hate shaving, i like teddy bears and hugging my girlfriend and i hate sports. I have slim wrists and i wear a lot of bracelets sometimes, many of them are rainbow coloured. am i still a man? if you say yes then look at this
Now what do you say?

I've seen that before
Now a little about me. I don't know anything about:
Cars
Trucks
Mechanics in general
Sports
Hunting
Guns
Wildlife
The Wilderness
Technical computer stuff
Tools
I like:
video games
adventure games
purple
I think rainbows are pretty cool
engaging in a nice conversation with a woman instead of just thinking about sex (the stereotype"sex sex sex!!")
orchestraic music
classic piano music
sunsets
multicolored christmas lights
I have slim wrists, long hair and I can't even grow a damned mustache. How's THAT for goofyness?

edit: oh yea, and overly masculine guys going to beaches and looking at girls and making cat calls and punching people and people who get way to into sports games and fight over football... these people make me uncomfortable, shouldn't they have to censor themselves too? why just gay people?

I don't know, I'm not at the head of this shit. Probably everything has gone the way it has because GAY has always been looked down upon since the beginning of time. Back then it wasn't normal, it was different and wrong. So the "wrongness" of being gay has been past down through the years to be a terrible thing and it should be cencored and children should be taught that it is wrong and all that hooplah...which isn't right.
I'm on the same page as you, Eric, I just think make-up/dresses (anything that's usually found on a woman) doesn't look good on men (that's totally my opinion!!! Just like if I said I don't like the color GREY). But I also agree with you that they should be able to do that if they want. If they like that stuff, than great, they should feel free to do it. Another point I was trying to make before was that being happy and open about your sexuality is fine, but there is a respect and decency thing too. They should have the respect and decency for the people that don't want to see that...men AND women. Just like a man and a woman rounding second base on a park bench where people walk by all the time. Not everyone's gonna want to see that, some will be discusted...some wouldn't care, some may laugh. Me, I don't care. I don't care what they do, I've said it a hundred times already. Two gay guys can make out all they want, but I'd rather not see it.
... do you kinda see what I mean?
Why am I your target anyway? Why did you choose me to blow up on just because I said I don't like to see men dressed as women? You could have calmly said, "Yeah but Snake, I don't understand why GAYs should be thought of like that and be censored by everybody where there should be needed cencoring elsewhere..." or something along those lines.
I don't know. I'll continue this tommorrow, it's too late for this, I gotta sleep,

Let me leave you alone and end this sharade with this quote of mine:

I'm not attracted to men, so I think it's unsettling, but at the same time I don't care. They're still human beings, blood/bones/emotions/opinions so they can do whatever the hell they want.

--Snake

[MrColossal]

EEP!

woah man, quite a post. well first off i just wanna say that i hold no grudge against you or anger towards you or anything. and i thought i blew up at raggit and not you. i told raggit to shut up [sorry r] that was me blowing up. i thought i was just commenting on what you said.

i don't know what i can do to bury a hatchet that was never uprooted with you. do you know how long ago that post about rap was? the beginning of our stay on the YABB forums.

no worries sucka. i've said that many times, no worries.

as for your points. Snake, i think you might be overreacting a bit, hehe

what you wrote and what you mean i think are two different things but only through lack of explaination. now that things are explained better i understand what you are trying to say. you have to give me that what you first wrote was pretty general and that i wasn't stretching to make you a bad person

i thought that the addition of the terribly scary picture of me grabbing my friend's ass would help to cool and badness that may be interpreted from my post.

i didn't choose you to blow up on. raggit had stopped posting and then you posted and i disagreed with something you said, so i posted. it's not like there was a large group of people i singled you out of. i don't hate you and i don't think you're stupid, i respect you as a fellow agser and as a very good artist.

and just to clarify some things:

not all men who wear make up are gay [some are goths! oh dip!]
not all men who wear "women's" clothes are gay [some are goths! oh dip!]
a large majority of gay men don't prance and call eachother girlfriend.
there were gay people a long time ago and they had gay sex all the time.
The Greeks.

it's almost 5 so i'm cutting this short but...

BWAHAHHAHAH! you can't grow a mustache!!!

i kid because i was never angry in the first place.

5am i have to go

eric

[Dragoon]

I don't have a problem with gay people. But to tell you the truth, I am more disturbed about gay men than gay woman, being that I am a man, and of course I love women. I think they are the most beautiful creatures to walk the face of the earth. It's something to see two woman kissing and holding hands...it's a turn on. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm not attracted to men, so I think it's unsettling, but at the same time I don't care. They're still human beings, blood/bones/emotions/opinions so they can do whatever the hell they want. Same thing goes with strait women, I'm pretty sure that some think the same way as I do, they aren't attracted to women, so they find it a little unsettling to see two women kissing, doing whatever.

What I don't like about particluar gay men, is when they act like they are a woman, talk like one, their actions, dressing like women. You might be gay and love men, but you're still a MAN. You're of the male gender, why must you "prance" around and make me and a lot of other people feel unconfortable? I know we must except them for who they are, and I agree of course, but they should also understand that not everyone is comfotable about seeing that. Gay men might be all happy and comfortable with expressing their sexuality, but not everyone wants to whitness it. This I can't explain because I'm not gay myself. If I were gay I'd probably act the same way. So I don't know.

One show I do not approve of is that new one, don't know what it's called, but I heard about it. It revolves around this group of gay men that go around changing as many strait men as they can find and turn them gay (I'm just damned sick of these stupid reality shows). Why turn a strait man gay, or even a gay man strait, leave them be. They are who they are.

Tell me off if you must, if I offended you.


--Snake

BUT GAY MEN HAVE DISEASES!

[Trapezoid]

I know what Snake is saying. He just thinks "camp" homosexuals are annoying dinkweeds. And they are.

[Hobbes]

Somehow this thread is reminding me of a song by Joe Jackson called "Real Men". It describes this topic really well, I think.

However, I also hate those stereotypical TV programmes. I'm gay, don't know a thing about fashion, abhor any kind of make-up (ok... deodorant and aftershave is a concession). I also happen to like Tori Amos, but I don't like Madonna.

So wahey, I kinda don't fit the stereotype pattern. And for that I'm glad, because I think 90% of the gay people don't fit this pattern. Else, I think we would see a lot more of gay people on the street.

Come on. Sexuality can be such a barrier for some people (homophobia being but one small example). But, aren't we all just people? I don't think the stereotypical prancing gay guy is something that should cause such violence in people. I mean, sure, people may find it annoying, but if that person decides to look and act like that, so what?

You won't find me straight-bashing. Even though those typical straight guys who talk about "women" as if they're objects and drinks loads 'a beer *do* annoy me. But then again, I also find them a bit humourous.

[SSH]

I'm fed up of all the bigotophobia around these days. I'm a bigot, and you don't find me knocking people just because they are tolerant. Just because I have a strong opinion about shirt-lifters don't condemn me. What I think should be done to evil woffters in the privacy of my own mind is my own business. I think those who attack me for my bigotry are just afraid to face up to their own prejudices.



Before anyone threatenes to leave this forum on account of this post: ITS A JOKE YOU STUPID FAG  

[Hobbes]

Bigotry's a sin!

You'll die!

Erm.

Oh.

It was a joke?

[Captain Mostly]

hee hee, Super Scottish Hero: That baby is too cute. The twizzling animation is cool!


oops! Sorry, that was off topic!!

[Czar]

So, I see the thread has gone in another direction, but i dont mind, cause, like somepone earlier said, it became an interesting discussion.

First to get  this laptop deal clear! I heard about it, and it involved students or something, so dont blame me, and dont think i'm some fool who believes everything he hears, i just wanted to hear what do you know about it.

And Americans arent the only people that invented transistors computers and all, what i mean that the people behind all that are not always americans by nationality. The term Americans are dumb is partially true, because, as you normal class? Americans(no offense) are always exposed to the brutallity of lies from the medias... and i'll continue later when i learn some more english, i have holes in my english thoughts, just dont take me wrong.

And about those tv shows, damn now i just forgot what was i going to say! I left empty space to write after i finish the part with the americans, and now i just forgot...argh.

I think i need some kind of book like that bee(Terry?) from Grim Fandango has.

[Evil]

I want to know where you people get all of these crazy smilies!?!  ... Or maybe I dont  

[TheYak]

Destruction of stereotypes... I'm all for it.  I have to give Snake a bit of back-up here first.  It makes me a bit uncomfortable to see two guys kissing.  I was raised in a profoundly Christian home going to a church with no tolerance for homosexuality.  I was never around homosexuals (that I knew of) as a child.  Therefore, I find it a little embarassing.  I can't really help the way I was raised.  

Before anyone throws me off a tall cliff so I can fly through the air and have my body crushed and battered on the rocks along with Snake...  I'm pretty uncomfortable when watching a Man and Woman make out in front of me too..  just not used to seeing intimacy in public, in my presence, I guess.  

By the way, Dude, Where's My Car was quite the lame movie, but during the male-kissing scene, all I could think was, "Rock on."  Given the context, it was quite amusing.  I also have to give some credit to the two actors (neither of which are gay) who had the balls to do that.  

Now back to the stereotype.  I live near San Francisco (within 30 miles) and have done so for about 20 years.  I think I've seen two men hold hands in public twice now.  For a city that is supposed to be filled to overflowing with gay males, it seems unusual that not much of the population wears blinding colors, spends hours on their hair, or speaks with a lisp.  Go figure.  Maybe the approximated 30% homosexual population of the San Francisco Bay Area are all hiding in gay-bars or something.  

Personally, I find being in the presence of a stereotypical male is a lot more irritating than being around a flamboyant homosexual.  I have friends in both groups but at least I don't have to discuss motorcycle engines, getting drunk or about how fine the ass of the woman who just passed it.  My gay friend, strangely enough, has never made a sexual comment in public or spoken with a lisp for the 10 years I've known him.

[DGMacphee]

The internet is not just 1 thing invented by a person, it's litterally billions of different networks hooked up through a cable, that had no real development process and is still very experimental.

Bullshit -- Al Gore created the internet all by himself!

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm      

[Sluggo]

Now back to the stereotype.  I live near San Francisco (within 30 miles) and have done so for about 20 years.  I think I've seen two men hold hands in public twice now.  For a city that is supposed to be filled to overflowing with gay males, it seems unusual that not much of the population wears blinding colors, spends hours on their hair, or speaks with a lisp.  Go figure.  Maybe the approximated 30% homosexual population of the San Francisco Bay Area are all hiding in gay-bars or something.  

Hmmm, maybe they all moved to West Hollywood, or "boy's town" as it's referred to.

And anyway, I think the popular stereotype of gay men has changed to big muscular men with pretty faces. Camp is still around, but it's not as common, and definately not as attractive (it's another stereotype that gay men have a huge sex drive, even moreso than straight horny teenagers. Well, on par at least).

[Snake]

If any of you haven't guessed yet, Eric and I are boyfriend/boyfriend.

i don't know what i can do to bury a hatchet that was never uprooted with you. do you know how long ago that post about rap was? the beginning of our stay on the YABB forums.

You sure? I was sure it was back on EZBoard...

as for your points. Snake, i think you might be overreacting a bit, hehe

lol! Ass

you have to give me that what you first wrote was pretty general and that i wasn't stretching to make you a bad person

Right, I understand now, nigga.

i thought that the addition of the terribly scary picture of me grabbing my friend's ass would help to cool and badness that may be interpreted from my post.

It did, I laughed out loud, but yet I looked back on the other coments you made and the tone seemed different. You "sounded" offended and pist.

i didn't choose you to blow up on. raggit had stopped posting and then you posted and i disagreed with something you said, so i posted. it's not like there was a large group of people i singled you out of. i don't hate you and i don't think you're stupid, i respect you as a fellow agser and as a very good artist.

I'm such an asshole. I'm sorry, man. There was nothing wrong with you posting and dissagreeing with something I said...it was just the way I interpreted it all. Next time I'll remind myself to reread the post and think over what I'd like to write before just writing as I go.

and just to clarify some things:

not all men who wear make up are gay [some are goths! oh dip!]

I know...

not all men who wear "women's" clothes are gay [some are goths! oh dip!]

Har har, I knew that one too, Colossal man

a large majority of gay men don't prance and call eachother girlfriend.

Lol! I know that If you reread my post I say, "What I don't like about particluar gay men...." I didn't say all gay men are the same

there were gay people a long time ago and they had gay sex all the time.

You're right, but what I was saying is that is was way more less tolerated back then than it is now. Now it is more tolerated and is way more open and exposed.


Super Scott!!1 I always wanted to tell you that I love your avatar too...just never got around to it


--Snake

PS
Eric, don't forget about Saturday night, I broke my date with Rodey.

PSS
Sorry Rode, but he is Colossal...

[Sluggo]

You're right, but what I was saying is that is was way more less tolerated back then than it is now. Now it is more tolerated and is way more open and exposed.

No uh it was generally accepted then (ie in the times of ancient Greece and Rome which I think is what eric was referring to), and it probably all changed when Christianity became established in those areas. But that was also a long time ago. Bah I dunno, I guess it's not important.  

[Timosity]

I grew up next door to a Lesbian, she only came out when she was about 25 (about 3 years ago) It didn't surprise me at all, she's a blonde surfer chick, that always seemed to like blokey type stuff. She's quite attractive too. (she's got a butch girlfriend [seems too stereotypical])

I live in Sydney, which has quite a large gay population, and it is noticable in some areas of the city, it's quite normal to see guys holding hands, kissing, slapping arses (girls too, pitty I have no chance with them, I guess 2 of them could be bi [you can only dream{unless you're a porn star, or just really lucky}])

It's a lot more socially acceptable for homosexual people to roam the streets and just behave like any other couple these days, I guess that helps people get used to it all, so it just becomes a part of life and people will eventually get on with there lives and classification of sexual preference will become something people won't even think about.

But for it to happen on a global scale, I guess it'll take forever, mainly due to narrow minded people, and some religions, but oh well, you can't change peoples minds for them (unless you're a good hypnotist)

It's a gradual process, like women becoming more accepted in the business world, It's come a long way.

It's probably easier to be gay in Sydney than to be an Aboriginal person that's family has lived here for thousands of years, pretty sad really, it's like being an American Laptop.

[RavenGray]

Alright, so first things first......Everyone sit down, shut up and listen in for a few moments. I have a lot of gay friends and I get really offended when some people write things like what I have read in this post. Because this is my first time here, I'll use  the Snake method and respond to each quote so far.

Play Stickman and notice the homoerotic tension between Doug and Toby.

Ya know, I DID notice that.  

All I said was I'm sick of hearing about gays.

Cover your ears then!!!

Eric, what are you talking about???The Bachelor is gay!

You know, I really wouldn't be suprised.... Reality TV is  

There's a difference between being politically un-correct and being ignorant.

Exactly..

I've had thoughts of leaving before and I'm having them now.

Oh shup up and get down from the cross. No one is telling you to leave and few are feeling sorry for you.

What I don't like about particluar gay men, is when they act like they are a woman, talk like one, their actions, dressing like women.

I'm not a cross-dresser, nor do I want to be, but why can't people to that if...er...well, if they like that....sorta...thing....?

Gay men might be all happy and comfortable with expressing their sexuality, but not everyone wants to whitness it.

I agree! Why would they? Lets lock up all the gay people so we don't have to look at them.

Why turn a strait man gay

You red-necked paranoid hairy monkey butt! Nobody wants to turn straight men gay :p (although, there has been MUCH effort for the vis versa).

I'm sure gay people aren't thrilled to play LSL and have to sleep with women

I have a feeling that gay men dont care because........its a GAME?

I like:
video games
adventure games
purple
I think rainbows are pretty cool

Dear God, why would anyone like purple?!? It was my school color and I am so sick of it! Yeuch! (same goes for pink)

BUT GAY MEN HAVE DISEASES!

SO DO STRAIGHT MEN!

It makes me a bit uncomfortable to see two guys kissing.

Why the hell are you staring at guys kissing, pervert.  

No uh it was generally accepted then (ie in the times of ancient Greece and Rome which I think is what eric was referring to),

Greece. Gay was all the rage back in Athens and in the Spartain army. Can you say “Or-gy”?

Funny, America has freedom of speech until it is politically incorrect.

Yeah you have a point, people have a right to say what they.....

I just wish queers would shut up.

WAIT A SECOND! You f***ing hypocrite! You demand for your own right to free speech, and yet you would deny it to a gay man for just being gay?? Suddenly gay men don't have the right to express themselves? Why don’t we tell black people that they have a right to be black, but only if they are black in their own homes. God forbid they offend any white person by being the way they are. The problem isn’t people being gay, its about people being scared to accept them.

Oh, and on one final note......I'm gay.

[Esseb]

Did you just skim through the thread and assume everyone was bashing homosexuals? You're responding to random quotes from both "sides" of the argument. There's been a discussion going on in this thread, it would be nice if you took the effort to read it all before replying.