Here is a message from Frans van Hofwegen
Look at message & Post your reply here http://forum.spacequest.net/viewtopic.php604
what? Tiki pissed around on the SQ forums?
I find that terribley hard to belive, seriously ryan wouldn't do something to piss anyone off. let alone ruin a community.
I posted a reply there. Thanks for backing me up, Chicky, but I am not completely innocent. Please read through the link above, more specifically the reply I just posted.
I was certainly involved to an extent. You may all draw your own conclusions on this matter, and on my character. I can certainly understand some lack of respect for me.
I feel like a stranger walking in on a domestic fight.
To be honest I couldn't care less, although it's the best practical joke I've seen in months (nothing can top those practical jokes on the tv in the airplane). To bad not everybody has a sence of humour. I reckon that the lack of humour caused this situation in the first place.
And it's low to post real adresses.
Tiki, what happens on SQN, should stay on SQN.
I don't know. Seriously I feel so inoccent! I'm a net virgin! I can't believe that these things happen, both ways.
And I can't believe that someone would react so badly about something that seems to be that is so obvious as a joke (adding porn, gay blah blah links to someones post...)
I'm shoked!
Thank you for killing SQN what is wrong with you adventure games are dying and you do that?
Space quiest deservs SQN Ã, and Frans put all his passion in it.
And you did that?
Shame on you
Some people are realy a children stupid children with no sens of humor.
You said you abandoned SQN that is very brave to do.Runaway from the crap that you made.
So we must warn AGS community: never trust nobody esspecialy TIKI and PCJ.
Oh shut the fuck up, please. Who are you to take the moral high ground?
Well said, Chicky ^_^
I never even new there was an SQN. I feel pretty much as Jet does.
But hey - it IS sorta fun. As a practical joke. Though of course like all practical jokes, it stops being fun when you are the pranked instead of the prankster.
Ljubi has not been particularly tactful, and I agree people shouldn't go around teaching lessons. But I'm with him on some of the things he says.
Sure, there's nothing wrong with having a bit of fun.
I find it hard to believe that the joke was ill-intentioned. Maybe a bit immature (like Tiki says), but I seriously doubt they wanted the forums to shut down as a result.
Still, just imagine someone here hacked these forums.
Would anyone agree that there would be a general uproar against the pranksters? Depending on the kind of prank, I can see it happening.
Maybe in the context of the SQN forum that sort of thing was called for and the administrator simply overreacted. I don't know enough to judge.
But I just can't see the point of hacking somebody else's forum for fun.
QuoteStill, just imagine someone here hacked these forums.
's like I said - when you're the pranked, things take on a different light. That's the bottom-line, really.
SQN forums have 100 members and they should to know who is who and to be friends.And Frans trusted tiki and other who did this.
He trusted them and they did that.
That is realy GREAT thing to do.
SQN have 100 members, ask yourself?
Imagine that that happen here?
Say what now???
Anyway, I was on the GameMaker Showcase forums a couple months back, and it got hacked. Totally ruined the forums. I never went back, and I know quite a few others didn't either.
Then again, the GMS was a bunch of little kids.
Quote from: esper on Fri 30/09/2005 13:36:09
Say what now???
You took the words right out of my mouth.
I've mentioned before that the LJUBI twins are my favorite posters, right? It's just so comforting to know that I can't be the dumbest person in the world.
And if I may answer a question from a while ago:
Quote from: Chicky on Fri 30/09/2005 08:21:00
Who are you to take the moral high ground?
Dude, they are the song written by the hands of God!!! I'd say that more than qualifies them to tell you what is and isn't morally right.
Quote from: Vince Twelve on Fri 30/09/2005 13:52:54
I've mentioned before that the LJUBI twins are my favorite posters, right?Ã, It's just so comforting to know that I can't be the dumbest person in the world.
And if I may answer a question from a while ago:
Quote from: Chicky on Fri 30/09/2005 08:21:00
Who are you to take the moral high ground?
Dude, they are the song written by the hands of God!!!Ã, I'd say that more than qualifies them to tell you what is and isn't morally right.Ã,Â
I'm sorry... This is a waste of a post, but....
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!
Quote from: Chicky
Oh shut the fuck up, please.
Quote from: Kinoko
Well said
Eh, no.
As for the Tiki-story, please don't bring in other people's fights into this community. Even though it seems there is an entire community hating Tiki's guts right now, he has a clean record here for all we know, and seems mature enough to stand up for his wrong doings.
Actually, from his posts on that other board, he seems immature enough to try to minimize his wrongdoings and make lame excuses.
I don't think any action should be taken against him on this forum or anything, but I will certainly not treat him as if he has a clean record.
On a closer inspection, I agree, Snarky.
Just trying to minimize the potential flaming in this community.
Quote from: LJUBI on Thu 29/09/2005 22:54:06
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So we must warn AGS community: never trust nobody esspecialy TIKI and PCJ.
Is god going to destroy them too?
There are two morals to this story:
1. Petty squabbles in other communities do not need to be discussed here, and
2. Never give anyone access to your admin account.
A while ago I read a study which claimed that all this hate and self-flagellation among Sierra gamers are the consequences of a childhood trauma caused by frustrating dead-end situations, bad puzzle design and an extensive use of savegames!!Ã, :o
LucasFan, you made me smile on a rainy day.
Wierd. :P
It's suprising how many forums are being hacked these days... Both my old haunts have been had in the last two months. ::) Let's not argue.
If the SQ community finds him... well, I'll get the bucket and you lot get the extra-strength bodily fluids remover. ;D
Quote from: LucasFan on Sat 01/10/2005 13:09:41
A while ago I read a study which claimed that all this hate and self-flagellation among Sierra gamers are the consequences of a childhood trauma caused by frustrating dead-end situations, bad puzzle design and an extensive use of savegames!! :o
Blame error 52...
Although that's not exactly hacked, from what I understand of the situation (I don't understand much). It's more about misused trust... but meh, I never played space quest, so I cant really understand everyone's loss.
Quote from: Huw_Dawson on Thu 06/10/2005 21:11:52If the SQ community finds him... well, I'll get the bucket and you lot get the extra-strength bodily fluids remover. ;D
Finds who?
Ummm... apparantly you, zargist, justas, tiki, and olsen...
EDIT: I just read some of the pages on that thread. replace sqn with a german porn site... now that, is true cleverness. "twinkle toes"... funny. Sad, but funny. Mostly just wierd.
Oh, ok. We're right here.
When someone places their trust in you, and you betray that trust, you shouldn't be shocked when it detonates in your face.
You had a hand in the death of that community, wether you want to admit it to yourself or not.
That being said, I really liked that site, and I'm sad to see it go.
I was never a SQN visitor, but I do know Tiki a bit and he's always been square with me. I was a site admin some years ago and someone attempted to hack my forum and it made me enter the third realm of python insanity, but I destroyed that person's access and continued on, I didn't blame him for the presence of black holes in the universe and shut the website down. If what Tiki and pcj did was immature (and I agree it was), then the admins response was nothing short of fetal.