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Community => Adventure Related Talk & Chat => Topic started by: ginanubismon on Thu 01/05/2008 17:02:33

Title: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: ginanubismon on Thu 01/05/2008 17:02:33
Basically the question is how many frames is enough for simple things like walking, taking things, talk, ect. and when it is too much?

Personally speaking I try to have a "high-frame rate" which I try for at least twelve frames per second for slow animations (walking and grabbing things) and about five-eight (sometimes even four) frames for fast frames. Anything after that I just get kind of bog down, I could aim for sixteen some times but I get tired and distracted easily (hey, a duck).

On the other end I also believe that anything going over 30 fps is kind of a waste, and maybe a little insane and going over 60 is utterly out of one's mind.

That is all I really got to say, what's your opinion?
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: Oliwerko on Thu 01/05/2008 18:03:29
I do my walking animations in 6 frames, talking animations in more, around 15-20, depends on the character. I think going over 15 in walking can be already waste of time, but it really depends on the overall "quality" of the game, I mean - it would look weird if character walked in 6 frames in a 640 game, while it is OK in 320 one.
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: jetxl on Thu 01/05/2008 18:19:28
More frames doesn't mean that the animation automaticly looks more natural and smooth. The first Super Mario Bros. had a walk cycle of 2 frames... So 2 is enough.
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: Oliwerko on Thu 01/05/2008 18:23:57
Also the slower the animation the more frames you need to make it look natural.
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: G on Thu 01/05/2008 23:23:44
I have a answers for you.

The human eye loses the ability to notice rude changes in a form (related to size, shape, color or position) with 25 frames per second. This means that, just in theory, every animation, regardless of its lenght of complexity must have 25 frames for each second it lasts. This is a pain in the ass when you're an amateur game developer, I know, but I have some good news.

The human brain can obviate some things. If you're looking an animation made with real photography, it will look strange if it has less than 25 or 24 fps, but if you're looking at an animation made with drawings, the brain loses the quality to notice the lack of frames. This and the ability of our brain to complete visual information makes it possible to make an animation of 12 frames per second something aceptable. In fact, traditional animation is made just with 12 fps, maybe some movies are made with 24 fps, but usually it's just 12 fps.

So, does any animation should have 12 frames per second it lasts? Again, yes in theory.
If we're talking of a videogame with high-res (640x640 or higher) Yes, as the sprites are bigger and movement is more recognizable. But in a low-res game (our beloved retro-traditional 320x240) you can use less frames per second. How many less frames? It depends on your skills, your patience, and of course the animation itself.

One hint. The human brain starts to recognize a correct walkcycle at 7 frames per second. Less frames makes it look weird.

End of the animation class, boys and girls. Now go home and remember to do your homework.
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Fri 02/05/2008 00:13:37
7 frames actually looks weird to most people visually.  I prefer even frame numbers in animation, 6-8 is usually ideal for most adventure games (though I use 4 from time to time when I do c-64 art).  Basically, the higher the resolution/larger the sprite, the more effort you should put into the animation to create something convincing.
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: Eggie on Sun 04/05/2008 13:01:52
You can usually cover the bases with just six or so. That's all that matters really, inbetweens are overrated.
I mean, just look at Bill Plympton (http://plymptoons.com)
Title: Re: How many frames is Enough - and when is it too much? -
Post by: Snake on Sun 04/05/2008 17:09:38
Never really thought about this before.
I usually draw as many as I think it takes, test it, then add/subtract what's needed until it looks right and it smooth enough without being "glunky".


--Snake