Mittens IX pre-planning

[Andail]

I would consider Holland if [...] I get my passport sorted [...]

I think you won't need a passport to travel within the UE, just a simple ID. Or am I wrong?

You need passport for EU in general. For countries within Schengen it's enough with national ID.
For some neighbouring countries, like the Scandinavian countries, ID card is also sufficient, but I don't know where else that's the case.

[bicilotti]

I would consider Holland if [...] I get my passport sorted [...]

I think you won't need a passport to travel within the UE, just a simple ID. Or am I wrong?

You need passport for EU in general. For countries within Schengen it's enough with national ID.
For some neighbouring countries, like the Scandinavian countries, ID card is also sufficient, but I don't know where else that's the case.

Indeed, indeed! And the UK is one of the few countries which decided it wasn't cool to join in. What a pity, Stee

[Layabout]

Hi there, me again.

Who was actually at the group meeting at mittens that decided on the next location? It seems from the current posters that the only one who mentioned being party to any kind of discussion about it was miez, who offered to host it if it were held in holland.

While my opinion probably counts for less since I will have the farthest distance to travel, it seems the general consensus is people would prefer Italy since it's on many people's travel list. Like mine :p

[Pumaman]

I'd be happy with either. I was at a couple of discussions about this at Mittens where Holland seemed to be the best option, but the general tone in this thread seems to be that more people would prefer Italy.

If we can get by in Italy without a native-speaking host then it would seem like a viable option.

[AGA]

Plenty of us agreed on Holland at the time. Only Disco seems to have come up with this Italy idea, it seems.

Personally I don't mind either way.

[Disco]

Is that so? I thought I was maybe the third or so person to bring Italy up online. In the realm of post-Mittens ideas I was actually pulling for Turkey, but I was alone on that so forgot about it

May I repeat, I only started this because a few people mentioned other places (including Italy) in the other thread and a few I've spoken to didn't seem to be aware of the Holland choice at this year's meet. Maybe we are a minority or it's because I missed the last morning of Mittens. Again, I was just trying to get more input 

[Layabout]

Plenty of us agreed on Holland at the time. Only Disco seems to have come up with this Italy idea, it seems.

Personally I don't mind either way.

I'm aware that both Grundislav and Disco suggested the Italy idea. But from the tone of this thread from members who were at Mittens, it seems the Holland idea is just something that happened.


I've spoken to a few people, who have either said that 'it looks like it might be Holland' or 'I think it will be Holland'. No one has actually said, 'Yep, we ALL decided mittens 2010 will be Holland and the host is...'

Just on the fact that most of the mitteneers didn't seem to be involved in the deciding discussion (from the posts in this very thread) and that there were many regulars missing this year due to the location kind of puts this up for discussion and perhaps a vote.

[Nacho]

As said, I don't want to be the advocate of any of the options but this "It was decided unpropperly" thing is just a fallacious argument... How was decided that it was going to be Spain? I was drunk and said to CJ, "I can host", he said "Yes, that sounds good for you, AGA?" and Aga said "mmmmph".

Result: Spain.

Same with Francisco, last year... He was playing the piano, Lore and me approached, and he said "I want to host mittens!" and we said "Mittens Miamiiii!"

Result: Miami.

I mean, if we want to go to Italy, let' s go to Italy... but don't use tricks like saying "Nobody was there when Netherlands was decided" because there was more people deciding that in that moment than ever.

Sorry for being a bit the Farlander of the forums in spite of the cheerful Nacho of mittens, but I don't like people taking decissions based in a false statement...

[Becky]

I like how people who weren't at Mittens are saying that the discussions at Mittens excluded people!  How would they know? They weren't there?   There were multiple discussions throughout the week (and by discussions, someone said "So next year, how about Holland?"  "Sounds good") and its not like everyone at previous Mittens decided exactly where Mittens should be

I really don't mind which country we go for - although I think that Holland would be easier, doesn't mean it would be better! - but there's no need to argue about how we came about the idea of Holland - as Nacho said, other countries have been more spur of the moment/one person deciding they can host.

[SSH]

I would consider Holland if [...] I get my passport sorted [...]

I think you won't need a passport to travel within the UE, just a simple ID. Or am I wrong?

You need passport for EU in general. For countries within Schengen it's enough with national ID.
For some neighbouring countries, like the Scandinavian countries, ID card is also sufficient, but I don't know where else that's the case.

Indeed, indeed! And the UK is one of the few countries which decided it wasn't cool to join in. What a pity, Stee

Just to passport nitpick: You can use EU ID cards thoughout the EU instead of a passport (including in the UK: my mother-in-law has done this). Its just that the UK has no national  ID card scheme... yet. Therefore UK people need a passport. Oh, and I'll be in China next year so no Mittens for me again.

[Layabout]

I like how people who weren't at Mittens are saying that the discussions at Mittens excluded people!  How would they know? They weren't there?

Cause I can read this thread.

Maybe I'm just jealous since whenever I say "I'll host it in Australia" everyone goes... "What are you serious. I ain't flying all the way out there, screw you!"

Where is the sarcasmotron?

[Nacho]

Dear Ryan, we tried Australia once and it did not work...

I would be happy to give it a second chance in a couple of years, though...

[The Ivy]

I would love to go to Italy. I would go for the ruins alone!

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

As for needing a local, you've got Bicilotti!

[Radiant]

Personally, I would prefer Italy, because going on vacation in my own country just lacks a certain appeal...

[DutchMarco]

OK let me chip in a bit:

Italy: I' d fınd that very cool, it'd give me more of a feeeling I were on vacation (upside of people speaking another language)
Downside of people speaking another language: I don't understand it (apart from the labels on the instruments in my -Italian- car - aqua, benzina, etcetera) nor does any other AGSer. I can see how this could be a real bummer.
Sure Italian food is nice - and Eric, no more apologizing for the quality of the pizzas, ' mkay? not while we're in Italy.

Netherands: I'd be honored to (at least co-) organize the event. It could still feel like a holiday for me, what with even if this is only a small country, you could still get into some nice surroundings (especially if we book a place on or near the Veluwe - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veluwe (a beautiful area and since I spend most of my time here in or near cities, it'd be a very welcome change of scenery to get into the countryside a bit))
So all in all, I must say that my preference does go to NL, but I'd also be very excited about Italy). Most people esp. the younger ones - understand English - though I must warn you about the reputation of Amsterdam's taxi-drivers - who can be a bit hostile towards American tourists (I'm ashamed to say this - ubtr most people are very nice so I hope I won't instill too much fear)
Also, don't expect to only smell Tulips - we have cows here too who produce their own typical scent, one that you'd haeve to get used to like the farmers seem to do, how else can they endure it? Sure, the hot humidity is also something you have to grow used to, and like ' eau de vache" it tends not to linger indoors, if you keep doors + windows closed.

If we'd choose Italy, anyone could book a place for Mittens - thanks to the wonderful interwebs... and I'd be very honoured to help organize any location we're going to.

So Ken, put me down for NL over Italy (since I must make a choice)

Ps,the "decison" to go to Holland was a sort of de-facto thing, which just grew into being there, no serious talks were held (this being Mittens), I just happily went along with it (sure, I might've actually lit the flame a bit myself). Of course, Mils' game suggested Mittens too, that does add some clout I'd say.

[FruitTree]

since when is this such a democratic thing?
just decide and host already! it'll be awesome either way!


grr! get on with it!

[m0ds]

Marco and Miez organise Mittens 2010 in Italy somewhere.

There ya go.

Best of both worlds.

[Miez]

Marco and Miez organise Mittens 2010 in Italy somewhere.

There ya go.

Best of both worlds.

Haha, thanks but no thanks. No parliamo Italiano. Or something...

[Stee]

I would consider Holland if [...] I get my passport sorted [...]

I think you won't need a passport to travel within the UE, just a simple ID. Or am I wrong?

You need passport for EU in general. For countries within Schengen it's enough with national ID.
For some neighbouring countries, like the Scandinavian countries, ID card is also sufficient, but I don't know where else that's the case.

Indeed, indeed! And the UK is one of the few countries which decided it wasn't cool to join in. What a pity, Stee

Just to passport nitpick: You can use EU ID cards thoughout the EU instead of a passport (including in the UK: my mother-in-law has done this). Its just that the UK has no national  ID card scheme... yet. Therefore UK people need a passport. Oh, and I'll be in China next year so no Mittens for me again.

Yeah I know SSH. The easiest way to explain it is to travel around the EU from an EU country you need the national form of ID, which in the UK is the passport. They're almost £80 now, and theyre apparently introducing some new scheme where you need an ID card to apply for a passport, which is an extra £30.

Why do we have so many fucktards in our government? I suppose at least if I was a politician I could claim it on expenses...