MAGS December: "It's Me Again" (CLOSED)

[Khris]

This is still precisely the non-game that Kastchey mentioned almost 13 hours ago, way before you said something about a missing part, so it seems this is indeed all you ever had.
So it looks like you didn't lie, you simply didn't realize that Kastchey was talking about your complete MAGS entry when he wrote "15 seconds long cutscene", not a broken, shorter version.
Oh wait, where's the interactive part and the explosion? Still not online, liar.

What is online is bad even for an hourgame and in no way deserving of a MAGS win, especially not if it's the only entry and was shat out in a few hours and posted after the deadline.

You solely did this to masturbate to a few MAGS wins in a row. It's pathetic.

[Icey]

What are you talking about! Will you stop coming a me sideways about every single little thing. The last time you did that was when I maid the OSD "HD" remake. I can't remember everything you complained about but what I do remember was you talking about the font. Like come on man.

Why can't we just, I don't know get along?

I told you already [YOU] That I would fix it back up after the BS now come on. I don't care about wins as I just wanted to see a OSD and PMQ themed MAGS and that's that. If you truly wan't to get back at me then go enter the current MAGS and win. I already said I wasn't going to enter and I would help those who planned on entering. I will help you with your MAGS and when you win you can gloat and say what ever you want to me but until then I don't care anymore like real talk

[Ponch]

Icey, the link you posted was an empty file. I'm sorry, but that's not a game. That's an empty file.

No matter what you may have meant to upload, an actual game wasn't available at the time MAGS closed.

I wanted to get my MAGS game in too, but I would have had to disable so much of it to make the deadline that it wouldn't have been stable and thus not really a playable game. I couldn't release a buggy pile of poop in good conscience just snap up an easy win -- and when I posted that I was dropping out of MAGS, no one else had posted a game, so I could have just dumped my unfinished game on the forums and tried to win by default.

But I didn't do that. Because it would have been wrong of me to do so.

I know you wanted to keep your winning streak going (three in a row is very impressive ), but you didn't actually release a game before the deadline hit. Whatever you may have on your hard drive now, it doesn't count. My game is almost done, and probably will be ready to play by next weekend. But that doesn't do me any good now, does it?  This MAGS is over, and my game wasn't ready in time. I put a LOT of work into it, but I just couldn't get it finished. With the bake sale, the holidays, and everything else, I just couldn't make it happen, you know?

I'm of the opinion that Atelier should mark this MAGS as one of those unfortunate months where there weren't any completed games submitted. It's sad, but that just happens sometimes.

There are plenty of other MAGS in the future, Icey. You'll have many more opportunities to add more marks to your "Win" column. But this time around, it just wasn't in the cards. Next time, double check the file before you upload it. 

That's my two cents, anyway. It's Atelier's competition. It's his decision.

[Icey]

I haven't finish reading all of what you said but I don't understand how Ghost managed to get the game but you guys can't. I know I uploaded it cause I just reuploaded it cause radiant said it was broken first.

Ok here is what I will do. Cause in a sense after reading that I sorta feel like I just entered to win but a games a game no matter what's the length.

I would like to have this one run again for feb and I will enter that one with a better game. Also I hope Atelier will let you guys finish up your guys and enter it cause it seems like the right thing to do.

[Ponch]

Well, if Ghost managed to get a file that had an actual game in it, then I retract much of what I posted earlier. The file I got was a big bag of electronic air, but I guess we can blame that on the interwebs. 

[Icey]

Thrust me, I know the game was short but I swear I uploaded it and checked the achieve twice.

[Radiant]

I'm afraid I agree that this doesn't count.

First, the top post states "You are not allowed to use material already created before this competition. Your game must be completely new!" and yet both the background and the OSD sprite in the screenshot are older material. The recent OSD MAGS was an explicit exception to this rule, but in general the point of MAGS is to create new games with new art.

And second, the top post also states "Please do not enter the competition with a rushed entry (a game created last minute)." And that is clearly what you did. Like you said, you can create an OSD game in one day, but we have Hour Games and OROW for games made that quickly. For MAGS, you have one month; so if you did it all in the last day, that is precisely what the first post says not to do. That you didn't have time to test whether your game was working properly (and instead ends after 25 seconds of non-interactive dialogue) only underlines that it was rushed.

So I think you should withdraw this. You've won MAGS before with a quality entry; we know you can do better, and an entry like this just looks badly for both you and MAGS in general. Please try again next month with another quality entry that we'd love to play.

[Ghost]

I didn't get the game and never said so. I said I could sweep in and out without dropping a game, and THOUGHT there would be an Icey game to claim default win. Sorry if that got misunderstood. I didn't bother to download right then bercause a default win is a default win, and I was pretty busy at the time.

I find the case hard to judge because I haven't yet even downloaded your entry, Icey. But- and please do not take this as bashing, I hope we are past that point- technically your game is invalid. It uses premade material. Last month Ponch explicitely stated that he allows that, but the usualy rule is "original content for a MAGS". Since I haven't played the entry yet I can't judge on the quality, so I will not touch that issue.
Even if we say it is a fully playable (albeit short) game, the next issue is time of delivery, which can't be checked: Was the first upload, which was delivered shortly before MAGS end, valid? Or the next one, clearly past the deadline? Impossible to trace back.

I also see Khris' point when he calls this a rushed entry because it was deleivered so close to the deadline with such a small amount of gameplay (again, I can only judge from what has been said here). We all know it's simple to slam together a short game, but when there is a whole month available, it feels like a "grab for an easy win" to shove in a shortie just before the host calls MAGS closed. That's not nitpicking or dissing, it's making an educated guess  

I'd say see it as a game. You made it and it is a game in your portolio, MAGS win or not.

[Atelier]

wait I got a game!!!

It seemed to me that an announcement as abrupt as this, coupled with not even giving the title of the game, was just entering to win by default. Furthermore you did not post in this thread during any of the days in December to show interest in the round, which is what the majority of people do. On top of that your subsequent post asks nonchalantly whether you would be the first Triple Grand-Slammer. And without even playing the game, I could see you were snatching glory from a dwindling thread, irrespective of the quality of the entry. (I haven't even played the game so my comments are only concerning your manner of entering).

I also said I would never run this topic again but it was still a backup topic, in case somebody didn't get guidelines in on time or went AWOL. So this will not be appearing in February.

I did say that icey was the winner on the condition that nobody entered within a day, and nobody did (of course Ghost and Ponch couldn't finish on time), so yes, icey is the winner. Having said that, with a reputedly volatile download link and no actual gameplay, I can't willingly record this on the MAGS website. So for all intents and purposes, icey won this month, but it won't count towards his grand-slam total. But then it doesn't matter because icey told us he wasn't in it to win it.

I'm writing a 'MAGS Constitution', which is a watertight set of rules, not in concise thread-friendly form (like in the first post), but setting them out clearly in clauses. I just realised there's never been anything like that for MAGS. In which case, somebody has either broken the rules of MAGS or not, and such grey-area discussions won't be necessary. This is in response to entering after a deadline has passed and also to competing with a game started before the first of the month. I'll post it up by tonight I think, where it will be open for discussion

[Ponch]

I'm writing a 'MAGS Constitution'... it will be open for discussion

A fill-in-the-blank Constitution?!    Sweet biscuits! As a libertarian, this is my dream come true! Be sure to put something in there about my right to own a machine gun! 

[Radiant]

so yes, icey is the winner.

I object to that.

I opened Icey's game in a hex editor to see if I could find those alleged explosions and other content he mentioned. You know what I found? The game he submitted is actually The Last Boss, by Mr.Mog. It has the exact same rooms, text, and music; just a few lines of dialogue tacked on and two or three extra sprites.

You don't need a "MAGS constitution" to see what's wrong with that. The rules in the top post have always been perfectly clear.

[ZapZap]

xD Seems to me there's such a huge leap in maturity between these 16-year-olds...

[Ponch]

xD Seems to me there's such a huge leap in maturity between these 16-year-olds...

I did not know Atelier was 16 until you posted that and I checked his profile.  :o  I've always assumed Atelier was a crusty old dude -- possibly a retired member of the French Foreign Legion -- holed up in an isolated rickety shack somewhere in the English countryside. You know, like a slightly classier version of the Unibomber.  (MAGS was his manifesto) 8)

[Atelier]

I opened Icey's game in a hex editor to see if I could find those alleged explosions and other content he mentioned. You know what I found? The game he submitted is actually The Last Boss, by Mr.Mog. It has the exact same rooms, text, and music; just a few lines of dialogue tacked on and two or three extra sprites.

You don't need a "MAGS constitution" to see what's wrong with that. The rules in the top post have always been perfectly clear.

Ah I had no idea. So icey is definitely not a winner and should be ashamed. I can't think of any punishment other than not letting him compete for a fixed time/ever again.

I've always assumed Atelier was a crusty old dude

[Ponch]

I opened Icey's game in a hex editor ... It has the exact same rooms, text, and music; just a few lines of dialogue tacked on and two or three extra sprites.

I am saddened and shocked to learn this. Seriously.

I am even more saddeneded and shockeded (seriouslies) to learn that you can crack open AGS games and poke around inside them. All those hardcore pics of Dennis and Ray that I left in games for *ahem* my own personal use? Now everyone can see them?! Oh noes!! 

[Ghost]

The game he submitted is actually The Last Boss, by Mr.Mog. It has the exact same rooms, text, and music; just a few lines of dialogue tacked on and two or three extra sprites.

Eep. That is cheap, and shouldn't even allow resort to the "templates are okay" rule. Sad face.

Also, Atelier, thanks for offering those ruleset. I hate being a "do-by-the-book" guy but apparently something watertight is needed.

[miguel]

What a sad day this is. I've stood up for Icey a couple of times, I always thought of him as a determined young kid that could grow safely in this community. He was never the type of coming in, do his thing, insult everybody and leave. He kept coming with his never-ending saga and we could see him improve.

This was bad, and I think he has to understand that. Not realizing his mistake would be a step back on his growing up. We must not forget that he's only a kid.

Bad Icey, bad-bad Icey!

[Icey]

Ok I'm not reading all of this stuff but I got enough to comment. First off I not lying about what I add to the game. Next I already said I would like to see this one again in feb and I will fix the game up again soon.

But you wanna no something else, I don't like people "snoop" around in the game to try and find stuff. That's the whole point of the source cause I just feel like really violated but hey I don't care cause I didn't even know there was a program to do that. Hopefully I can recover some of my old lost stuff one day.

But get this right, I'm gonna fix up the game to day and not only add back said stuff but I will even through some extra stuff in there. I and if the rules state that I must use a different sprite then I will just edit it and throw a black pixel in his out line and call it a day.

hows about that! does that make everyone freaking happy. See you guys around 8:00ish.

Oh and Last Boss was actually maid on top of OSD [] [] [] [] []
But I suppose you guys knew that right?

[Ghost]

Ok I'm not reading all of this stuff

You should, though. There is a problem here and you can help to solve it. Being snappy now is uncalled for.

[Icey]

I ended up ready it anyways cause it wouldn't be right seeing how you guys are talking while I was school so therefor I like many other times I could not see and I could not respond to anyone.

Also I thought I had solved it last night but by saying I will fix up the game and basically if I still am the winner can this same one be ran for feb? Everyone was saying that they couldn't enter because of something(mainly the bakesale) and that is why I never planned to enter anyways but you I said ah what the hell I tried to come up with something simple before the end of the year seeing how it seem like me and mog both wasted our time because it took me all day to program a new working battle system cause I didn't want to release some half assed game and have him take the blame for it(even though it's his game.) But even though I got it in and said it was coming it still never maid it into the MAGS.