Where's M' Hat Ma ?

[Wretched]

 Well here, at last, after quite a few months of teetering on the edge of diving into AGS I have put together a game. My main interest was to see how the scripting engine worked so to that end this is mostly a script based game.
That said the game features over 100 rooms, 20+ NPC's, 2 3D real time sub-games, simple jigsaw game, 3D Doom like maze game and lots of tarot cards and millions of cowboy hats, and a story along the lines of Mary Poppins meets Barbarella.
I should point out it was a MAGS entry and had a 16 colour palette restriction, and was written in only 3.5 weeks.
The game is pitched at relatively experienced players.

Sorry but there is no music or audio.

Download Here

Some screen shots...







All feedback welcomed. Enjoy.

[Rosie]

Just started this game and all I seem to be able to do is go in yard, and walk along mountain stream....What am I doing wrong....Any hints?>>>  Thank you.

[Wretched]

Rosie,

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You should look more closely at the fence[\hide]

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[Joyce1]

Okay Wretched I'm stuck -  get over to hints and tips and help us out

[Rosie]

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got berries, scared vulture away.  Got stick again and another bowl of porridge.....Now I'm stuck....Been down to see carving of goat on stone....HELP  Please.  Really enjoying this game, but sooooo stuck...

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[fivetrickpony]

I haven't downloaded it yet but I'd like to say that I kinda like the graphic style, especially how the queen looks sitting on the throne. And ... over 100 rooms? That sounds way too awesome.

[sunshinegold]

Wretched I need your help.

I have downloaded the game, start playing it but my screen goes black every time I change screen.

Also I now got the following error message when I was going to quit the game and pressed on the MAIN MENU key:

'An error has occured. Please contact the game author for support, as this is likely to be a scripting error and not a bug in AGS.
(ACI version 2.62.772)

(Global script line 437)
Error: MoveCharacterBlocking character is turned off and cannot be moved.

Also could you tell me what all the YELLOW squares you get when you go into the inventory, the yellow button at the bottom of the inventory screen.  What are they for?

Where are the 100 rooms? so far I saw the house, the yard, the river banks, the place where the vulture is standing and then it's a dead end to the left. You can't go to the right.

Maybe I don't have more screens because of the error message, I really don't know.

Hope to get an answer soon.

[macon]

Hi Wretched.

My screens look terrible compared to the screenshots so I thought it might just be a case of me changing resolution within setup. But you have supplied the wrong setup program, it says cannot find g3.exe.

I tried wmhm.exe --setup from the command line and setups runs but it does not save or creates a .cfg file.

Is the game meant to be run at 320x200? Is so then I guess that the graphics are meant to look as they do and I won't need to run setup.

Edit: Just had an idea, I renamed wmhm.exe to g3.exe and everything works with setup and now my screens are looking ok.

Andy Mason

[Wretched]

Yes I noticed this yesterday and have since fixed the .zip if you just want to re-download or just do as you have done.

[sunshinegold]

Yes I noticed this yesterday and have since fixed the .zip if you just want to re-download or just do as you have done.

Will that also fix my problem

Please see/read hint above.

Thank you

[Wretched]

Can't promise it will sunshine, but its unlikely to make it any worse.

[sunshinegold]

Can't promise it will sunshine, but its unlikely to make it any worse.

Thanks I will try it and let you know.

What about that error message

What about those yellow squares (using the yellow botton) in inventory (on the left you have the up/down arrows, on the right the 'look', 'take' 'ok', and at the bottom there is a black and yellow botton)  What is that for?  So far I 'look' 'touch' on each one of them and nothing happens?  And yet I did not see anyone else asking about them

Please try to answer me before I download the game again. 

Thanks.

[Wretched]

Hi sunshine, Sorry about this I wrote you a lovely long answer but must have got distracted before I posted it and it's not here, so here goes again.

The screen should go black between screens, there is a fadeout/fadein effect so this is normal.

I cannot find the bug you referred to, if you can repeat it and tell me from which room the error occured and what the last thing you did was it would help in tracking it down.
However, the game is completable without ever needing to press this MAIN MENU button. There is nothing you can do that makes the game impossible to complete. So if it's causing trouble I suggest you restart the game and don't use this.

The yellow squares will become apparent later in the game when you have collected some of the 22 tarot cards that are in the game, though even then it's only for show and not functional.

The other rooms will become avaliable as you progress through the game solving the puzzles. The game is split into about 9 distinct areas and I have tried to keep the number of rooms per area small to avoid bewilderment.

There is a thread in the hint and tips if you are stuck in the early levels.

[sunshinegold]

Wrenched

Thank you for answering.

I will download the game again and try what Macon did, i.e. rename wmhm.exe to g3.exe maybe this will help.
If it does, I will let you know.  Maybe someone else has the same problem. 

[Wretched]

You shouldn;'t need to do any renameing on the new version this has been fixed.

[Gilbert]

Don't know if this's considered a bug or if it's fixed in the newer version already (I am playing with the old version), it's actually quite minor anyway:

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When I'm in the cell if I fill the cup with (cold) water and then put it below the hot water pipe it became hot water immediately without the need to emptying it first, or interacting on the pipe. Is it intentional that the water was heated up by the warm water on the ground?

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[Wretched]

Thanks Gilbert, I've tidied that little problem up now.

[jane]

Am stuck at the door with numbers..........can't get through the small tunnel, and the other door tried using the acetylene torch absolutely stuck - anyone give me a hint pleassssssse.   

But also is there a bug 'cos after I have tried to burn the bolts - I loose all the inventory , save, load panel etc?

[Wretched]

Jane,

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Sorry about bug, fortunately it shouldn't affect the game. If you can still right click 'til you get the Torch, use it on the door bolts until they are all white, a slow circular motion to get them all hot, then a bit faster to get them all white hot.

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[Stephanie]

I need help witht he locked door with the "numbers"  I don't know what to do here, I assume I need to use the paper from the burnt waxed hand.  I don't know what to do with the button that doesn't work.  Any clues?

[sunshinegold]

I am stuck at the beginning. I managed to solve the puzzle in the cave where the icycles are, but cannot get out from the right.

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The plank and piece of wood are tied.
The other plank to cross the river is gone. The volture keeps taking the poorridge on the branch.Ã,  So now I have a stick, bowl of water and 2 berries and no more porridge.

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How do I get out of there?
Help please.

[Joyce]

I am so glad at least this forum is up. I have been going nuts for a few days.
Wretched

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I have a problem with the maze, I have done it three times and everytime I get the 8 pieces of paper and I get a message while I am in the maze telling me I now have all the pieces. I make my way out and Margaret tells me I don't have all the pieces yet. I already had a piece in my inventory, the one I found on the bush, so in total I should have 9 pieces right? but when I come out of the maze game I only have 8 and like I said she keeps telling me I am missing pieces but I do get the message telling me I have them all.

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Hope you can help me out here.

Sunshinegold

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you need to go all the way to the right in the cave, there is a plank of wood, use this to get back across water,  you need to use your bowl of water to soften the ground, then you can get the plank. Don't forget to get the flint as well. You can go back and get more porridge, use the porridge on the left side of branch ( the very end of branch) vulture should come eat the porridge and break the branch.

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Stephanie - I haven't figured out that door yet either

Jane

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you need to catch the worm to use the small tunnel

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[Gilbert]

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My problem is, I don't know where to find that "body" part to get the worm

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[Joyce]

Gilbot

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have you trapped the worm in the cardboard box? if you have then you should have got a burner/torch thing. You need to burn the bolts on the steel door. Wretched has explained how to do this to Jane. You have to get the bolts all white and the door will open. When you are able to get the door open thats where you will get body part

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[Fisher]

I really hope I've done this right.

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I've finished the second maze....stuck at machine with lots of buttons...have crumpled paper with numbers on it....can't seem to move forward.

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HELP!

[Rosie]

Strange,  I went to reload one of my saves in Hat game. And got this message///////    This game was saved with the interpreter running at a different resolution.  It cannot be restored.  What caused this?  I cannot get into that game on any of my saves to play it......

[Stephanie]

I too am stuck at the door with all the buttons and "alien numbers" or codes in the "secret passage".  I feel like I have tried everything on this door but cant quite seem to get it open.

[Joyce]

Wretched

If you read my previous post you will see the problem I am having with the maze game. I think I have figured out that I should not have a piece of paper in my inventory before doing the maze game so I went back to a saved game and did the snail with the leaves part, I get the 8 pieces in there, do the jigsaw puzzle and get the tower card but for some reason I still have a piece of paper in my inventory. I have done it a few times and still end up with that piece of paper in inventory. Is this whats maybe screwing me up at the maze game?

[Fisher]

Stephanie,

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Put in the 1st four numbers from the crumpled sheet and press the MIDDLE button twice. Then, put in the (3) digit number,leaving the 4th one empty and press the middle button twice, you should be able to take it from here.....

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[Stephanie]

THANKS FISHER...took me a minute on figuring out the "numbers" ..lol   ...duh

[themom]

Hints please .I have worm & code paper

[jane]

am stuck at the lockers with the dead snail - help pleassssse its driving me crazy!Ã, 

jane x

PS please ignore as I have manged to solve it now and for those who are stuck -

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one of the lockers will display a message when looked at [\hide]

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[Fisher]

Jane,

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'Look' at locker (I think) #29, then ask the guy about it.

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[Joyce]

Jane, It was you that emailed me wasn't it, I replied telling you what to do. You didn't get my email?

[jane]

many thanks Joyce, I solved it by the time I got your email..................and would have replied sooner but my hotmail email has been playing up the past week, 

Hope they get the forum sorted out soon

jane x

[jane]

I've been in the maze and the worm has picked up 8 pieces of paper - but is still saying I need more - how many do you need or is this a bug?

[Rosie]

Jane,  See Joyce's question on top of this page, she had same problem,  I think she is waiting for the game writer to answer her. 

[miryoku_81]

I've been in the maze and the worm has picked up 8 pieces of paper - but is still saying I need more - how many do you need or is this a bug?

I had the same problem where I had all 8 pieces so I kept returning to the maze and then exiting right away again.  I did this quite a few times and then finally M said that I had all the pieces and it went to the puzzle screen where you have to fit all the pieces together.  I'm not really sure what I did to trigger that screen other than entering and exiting the maze a few times.  I have the feeling that it's a bug.

[Joyce]

Thanks miryoku  I'll try that (after Desperate Housewives lol)

[SHE DEVIL]

 Hi,PLEASE HELP SOON !!! I can't get past the first puzzle with the icesicles.I have the square etc. in order but not the colors???  Thanks, J.

[Stephanie]

okay i am going to try this hide thing she devil...

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Did you smear the cherries on the red square...and play with the colors until they fall into the right place there will be a "CLICK"...you know to look at the icicles to have the screen scroll up i pressume. once you get the click an obvious secret panel will open

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hope this helps...hope i did that right too, i will know in a sec i guess

[SHE DEVIL]

 Thank you for the quick reply,at the time I didn't have the cherries but I knew I had to find something red. I got the order right before I found the cherries. Thanks again, J.

[Joyce]

miryoku

That worked!!!!  thank youuuu I did what you suggested I had to keep going back in and out of maze quite a few times before M said I had all the pieces.

Now I am stuck again at that door with the numbers, I cannot get those numbers to look anything like the numbers I have. My first number is 1 and I can't get the thing to change to anything looking like a 1, all I seem to be able to get is an 8. Is there a knack to putting the numbers in?

[Stephanie]

okay stuck again...what new right??

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I am in England...I have got 1 leaf, jester stick, snail, flask given to bar guy, I have covered hangman in glue. Ã,  I know i need to get the other leaf from the hermit cave which i know what i need to do but my snail keeps getting carried away. Ã, I managed to get the leaf once but the computer decided to crash shortly afterwards. Ã, I could figure out what to do with the leaves as i tried to give it to the princess but she wouldnt take them both. Ã, Now i can not get the leaf again....I dont know what i did differently before to get it...then how am i supposed to get the corn ...I assume i have to give the mirror the "fool" has to the big deaf guy but i have to get the bell first...I am so stuck

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Help please....thanks

[Stephanie]

Joyce,

LOL i felt so dumb after i figured this one out....

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1 = 1 dash...it doesnt look like the actual numbers 2=2 dashes etc...
Hope you understnad what I mean...

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[Stephanie]

HA HA...nevermind i got past the problem i was having

[Gilbert]

Gilbot

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have you trapped the worm in the cardboard box? if you have then you should have got a burner/torch thing. You need to burn the bolts on the steel door. Wretched has explained how to do this to Jane. You have to get the bolts all white and the door will open. When you are able to get the door open thats where you will get body part

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Actually I got that door opened long ago, but all I see is a tank and I can open the gate and do nothing, maybe I missed something on the screen, I'll try again later.

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[mags_don]

oh help stephanie..i believe i am at where you were..and tried everything..this game is hard .tried the snail with the

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caveman and the crows keep takin him away..what do i need to do? thanks for anyones help!

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[Stephanie]

Mags,

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you have to get the crows away...you have to get them to go to the hanged man...

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going to store for diapers...brb if you need more help...when i got the leaf b4 it must have been a slight bug or something

[miryoku_81]

miryoku

That worked!!!!Ã,  thank youuuu I did what you suggested I had to keep going back in and out of maze quite a few times before M said I had all the pieces.

No problem.  Now maybe you can help me out a bit   I completed the first maze (obviously) but...

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everyone seems to be alluding to a second maze or another puzzle to solve after this.  I haven't been able to find this elusive puzzle - the one with the numbers, I suppose.  Where is it? I haven't been able to leave the compound other than to ride in the tank and head to the section with the lockers.  Thanks!

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[Joyce]

Miryoku

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In the room that has the 3 plants, you can pick up a book and it will open a door that leads to a door with the numbers on it.

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Gilbot

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you need a key to start the tank, the key is in the room where the rock things turned to aliens along with 4 cards

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[Joyce]

mags

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you need to get the poster and you need to get corn from green man. to get the poster, fill your bowl and cup with water in the river, use them on the poster and it will loosen. Use poster on hanging man then use corn on him. To get corn from green man, he wants a shined pitcher, go to where priest is, hide behind tree, watch him drink, leave screen, come back hide behind tree again, do this a few times until he gets drunk. He will give you a bottle and a card. Give bottle to bartender. Give the signed picture (card from priest) to get corn

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[Joyce]

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I have 3 leaves, tried giving them to the princess in the forest, they both want to leave together so I obviously need 4, how do you catch one of the leaves at the moat of the castle? thats the only leaf that is left

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[Stephanie]

Help ...

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okay...i am in the tower/ brothers room and it wont let me go up the stairs...i still need 2 cards after gaining the devil card. Ã, am i missing something... i dont see any other people in need of help in the town

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[Stephanie]

Joyce,

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I stood in the middle of the bridge and used my hand icon to catch a slower one...you don't need anything special, a net would have been handy tho

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[Joyce]

Stephanie

Thanks again, I didn't see any slow ones but I will keep trying now that I know thats what I have to do. Thanks also for the help earlier with the numbers on the door, never in a million years would I have thought of that, I thought it looked like a digital clock thingie so thought for sure I had to put numbers in.

[Stephanie]

Joyce,

    My pleasure to help.  I love playing the games on the site and jsut recently got into the message boards.  It feels good to be able to help out for once and not just ask for help.  It took me about 20 minutes to figure out the locked door thing ...even tho I had some help, i knew i was at least in the right direction, it still was rather mind blowing that it was too simple to see.


Wretched,

     This is an awesome game, I actually like the difficulty in it even if it is frustrating at times...Well done and one of the best games I have played in some time.  I hope that you make many more and I can't wait to play them.

Everyone else...
   
     I need to get better with my "thanks" i guess....THANK YOU TO ALL who have help so far...please do not think me rude by not posting a thanks...I get the hint and run to the game to try it out.

[Joyce]

I caught the leaf

Now I am trying to shoot hats LOL, will try tomorrow

[Wretched]

Anyone,
Sorry, I've been away dancing around a Maypole. If anyone is stuck with the maze/pieces/worm problem, they should download the latest version of the game
Download Here Then PM me their email address and I'll send them a savegame at a point after the Worm maze, that they can use to continue the game from. Sorry for anyone who got caught with this bug.

[Joyce]

Hi Wretched - welcome back

Ahhh so the worm maze was a bug afterall. Anyway we managed to get around it. I did find another little bug I think, when Ma is in prince's room, I walked over to the far right and Ma got stuck.
Do you know what the answer to Rosie's question is?about the interpreter, I am just curious about that one.

[Stephanie]

Why can't I get to shoot hats...what am I missing...

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I have all but 2 cards after i pick up the devil card...I get stuck in the brothers room...it wont let me out...says i cant go up the stairs i am frightened by what is up there and i cant find another way out...when i try to go up the stairs the first time it fades out like there is supposed to be a cut scene but there isnt it fades back into the room i am in

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NEVERMIND....realized my goat had to be gotten (hee hee) for me to get up the stairs

[Joyce]

Stephanie

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I know I got stuck when I walked over to the right of that room but I mean stuck like frozen, couldn't walk anywhere, had to reboot. I looked at everything in that room, picked up the card, screen goes all kinda red, walked by Emily and Ma said, poor Emily, then I went to the stairs and I got message saying nothing is going to stop Ma now. Walked up the stairs and it took me out on to the top of the castle and there was a cut scene.

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[Stephanie]

Joyce,

    Thanks...took me awhile to figure out that ...

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i think the room needs to be flashing red i guess

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Just finished the game...Great Game Wretched !! Thanks!!

[Wretched]

Strange,Ã,  I went to reload one of my saves in Hat game. And got this message///////Ã,  Ã,  This game was saved with the interpreter running at a different resolution.Ã,  It cannot be restored.Ã,  What caused this?Ã,  I cannot get into that game on any of my saves to play it......

I can't really comment much on this. It should just be a case of running winsetup.exe and selecting the screen resolution or windowed mode, which you were using to play the game when you saved it. If you haven't changed the setting though this should not need to be done and I have no idea why something changed it, perhaps you downloaded a newer version, which overwrote your settings, and anyway savegames might not be compatible with newer versions, even though they might 'appear' to work at first.

See my previous post if you want a 'restart' game after the Worm Maze.

[Joyce]

Well done Stephanie, wonder if you are the first to finish the game. I can't get past the hats, I can only get up to 750 points, guess my reflexes aren't what they used to be, you are probably years younger than me lol
Hope hints forum will be up soon, so many of us using this one now for hints we will be overloading the server again!

[Stephanie]

Joyce,

   I am 27 and me reflexes are only good because i have a toddler and an 8 year old...LOL.  It still took me some time to get through it

[sunshinegold]

I really feel like an idiot but I am still stuck at the beginning:

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I have the branch from tree to cross river, the porridge, the stick, the berries, and the stone from cave, I managed to get back home, but cannot get the hat. From the inside of the fence, the sun is in my eyes. From the other side, wherever I stand, I cannot reach it from there. I figured I had to wait for the sun to come down so I went exploring everywhere again but got nothing else. So I am back home looking at the hat on the fence. I tried getting something else from the house but nothing

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You all got so far in the game, what am I missing/doing wrong

[Joyce]

Sunshinegold

Did you

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solve the puzzle in the cave?

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[cittymom]

I am in the same point as Sunshinegold. I am trying to solve the puzzle in the cave.  My problem is that my screen is so dark that I can only make out 3 of the colors on the stones.  Also, I cannot see any of the symbols on the stones above the colors (if there are any).       I need some detailed help on solving this since I cannot see because of my screen contrast and light.

[Oneiro_Farseer]

Think I've found a bug...

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When I talk to the King and Queen, there is no way to escape the conversation - I get 'greetings' 'how can I serve you?' and 'has the prince returned?' (or words to that effect).

Once I've chosen the third option it disappears, and they say they'll give me a card as a reward. Now, I don't actually recall ever actually meeting a prince, and once I get to this point I can only choose 'greetings' and 'serve' from the conversation menu, neither of which allows me to leave.

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I take it I'm stuck and have to start again?

[Joyce]

Cittymom
Someone on page one of this thread had a similar problam I think, but the creator fixed it. Are you playing with the latest download. I know I had to d/l a few times because he kept fixing things for us. Stupid ? but have you tried adjusting your monitor, I know I had to lighten mine in a few games. Sorry I'm not very technical.

Oneiro_Farseer

Didn't get this one, after conversation with king and queen, and I think you get 2 cards from them, after you have asked has prince returned you should get a cut screen saying, yes, do you want to see his room and it automatically takes you there. Have you a saved game just before this, I got stuck a few times in other places and I just kept trying again and again until finally something kicked in.

[cittymom]

Joyce,
       Thanks..... I don't know if I have the latest version. Just downloaded yesterday with v 2.62.    I have made all the adjustments that I can on my monitor and setup.    I have played the game just fine until trying to work with the puzzle in the cave..... which  I cannot see well enough to solve.    Guess I will do like others and re-download!

[Potch]

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How do I get the poster to stick to the hanged man?  As earlier post said to do this, but when I click the poster on the man, nothing happens.  What am I missing?

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[Wretched]

Potch,

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You have to take a look at the tapestry in the Castle to get the idea then talk to Hanged man again.

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[Potch]

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  ARGH!  I have all but three cards.  The priestess says I don't have enough.  What do I do?  Should I have gotten them earlier in the game?  Is this a dead end?

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[Wretched]

Potch,
Fear not. You are only 1 card short for now.

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Possible card you are missing is the Heirophant, if you look at the temperance card (glass and straw picture), you will get this.Or talk to the queen to get the emperor card after saving the prince if you are missing this.

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[Potch]

Hooray!Ã,  Thanks wretched.

Finally finished it.  It was a good game.  The only thing I didn't care for were the action games.  That's just a personal thing though.  I play adventure games, because I don't like action games.  I'm no good at them.  It took me FOREVER to finish those parts.  I mean, I must have tried the hat shoot thing 30 times before I finally got it.  I kept getting to like 980 and 990, and I coudln't quite get to the thousand.  It doesn't help that my mouse is old and tends to stick sometimes.  But as a whole, the game was great!

[miryoku_81]

Wow, seems everyone is way ahead of me in this game and I'm still stuck quite a ways back.

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So far I've only completed the one maze with the worm.  I have the piece of paper with a partial code on it (not sure what the last 3 digits are) and now I've found the secret passageway with the door.  I assume I'm supposed to punch numbers in the door somehow but I don't really understand the trick to working the buttons.  The only numbers I can seem to form are 0 and 8 - lol.

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[Joyce]

miryoku

I had the same question its in this thread somewhere, but to save you looking.

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don't try to put numbers in, you just have to light up the dashes. My first number was 1 to I just had to light up one thingie. Then press the red button and you should get a click.Then go to the next button and do the same. Don't worry about the last three numbers where it says xxx.

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[Charlie Kelly]

Just a bit stuck...

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Where is the cave? How do you get into it?

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Charlie

miryoku

I had the same question its in this thread somewhere, but to save you looking.

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don't try to put numbers in, you just have to light up the dashes. My first number was 1 to I just had to light up one thingie. Then press the red button and you should get a click.Then go to the next button and do the same. Don't worry about the last three numbers where it says xxx.

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[sunshinegold]

Sunshinegold

Did you

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solve the puzzle in the cave?

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Yes Joyce I did.

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I finished the puzzle, the one with geometric figures and colors underneath.  I got the plank, the flint, and got the large branch from tree after volture took porridge. Now back home I cannot get hat because the sun is in my eyes, and on the other side of the fence I just can't reach it. 8)

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I even went back to all the places visited before but did not get anything else. :'(

Help please, I wish to go on with this wonderful game.

[Joyce]

Sunshinegold

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Okay if you solved that puzzle, you must have picked up an egg and a card. When you picked up the card there was a lever, did you click that and got a message saying click or clunk. That means a staircase opened up to the left beside the icicles, up there is a dispensing machine, look at it and look at keyhole and you then know you need a key.

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Let me know if this isn't enough info

[Gilbert]

Just finished it, I'll say it's a wonderful game in both game size and gameplay considering it's a MAGS game which had to be finished in time.
It's quite hard considering adventure game standards and can make the players frustrating at times, but that wouldn't stop me playing. (That final action sequence was crazily hard though, I finally managed to get 1060 after NUMEREOUS tries )
If there're sound and music in it it would be perfect.

Also I found some possible bugs in it (maybe they;re fixed already):

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1. In the room with the aliens and the TV showing teletubies, seems that the messages were a bit messed up, when I looked and interacted on the ground it showed messages which were supposed for the TV, interacting with the TV ahd no effect.
2. When I was first sent to the prince's room, I picked up the card immediately, looked at it, making the room "red", then triggered the dead goat message, teh result was that I can never go up the stairs anymore, I then reloaded an older savegame, when in that room, looked at Emily first, then pick up the card, seems that I can go up the stairs then.
3. When in the prince room, if you went down immediately, you'll be back in the King's room, if you talk with them immediately and got send to the prince's room again, it's possible that Ma would be stuck in a non-walkable area in the lower right corner.

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[Charlie Kelly]

Sooo...

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Anyone know where the cave is at the beginning and how to get into it? I've scared the Vulture away and got the brach but now I'm stuck. I don't even know where the cave is to get into it![

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Charlie

[Wretched]

Charlie,

Hint 1

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The cave entrance is to the north of where you crossed the river, it has a picture of a goat on it.

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Hint 2

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You will need the goat to open it.

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Hint 3

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Talk to Emily(goat) from far side of fence and she will follow ewe.

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[jane]

 The princess has returned, fool is playing but I still need 4 cards and am stuck again, ..............I have read that there is a tower with the brother?  I presume its inthe castle but how do I get to it?

jane x

[sunshinegold]

Sunshinegold

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Okay if you solved that puzzle, you must have picked up an egg and a card. When you picked up the card there was a lever, did you click that and got a message saying click or clunk. That means a staircase opened up to the left beside the icicles, up there is a dispensing machine, look at it and look at keyhole and you then know you need a key.

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Let me know if this isn't enough info

No Joyce,

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I did not see an egg and a card or a lever. I got the square, triangle, circle and reversed triangle. The bottons underneath were green, red, blue and yellow.  I just turned all those stones as I mentioned. I did not do anything else with them. Then I went to the right of the cave and got the plank and flint??? (pointed thing that was underneath the plank). That's all I did.   Was I supposed to do anything else with the stones/bottons

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Thanks

[Wretched]

sunshine,

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You have to use the berries on one of the faded stones to make it more red.

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[sunshinegold]

Thank you Wrenched

[madmanmunt]

Everyone is a hell of a lot better at this than me! I've been playing for days and I can't figure out...

a.) How do you get the branch?
b.) How do you get the plank and flint in the cave?

I assume I have to drop something on the egg to get the key and I'm guessing its the flint but I've been trying everything and so far come up with nothing. Any help would be massively appreciated.

[sunshinegold]

Madmanmunt:

You get the branch by

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throwing the porridge on the extreme end of the branch, the volture will come and get it and break the branch.   In the cave, pour the water on the soil, then you get the plank and flint

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Hope that helps.

Don't be too hard on yourself, we all get stuck at some point or another.  I myself am stuck at the beginning too.

[madmanmunt]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

You've ended my days of suffering. As always, it seems so obvious now I've got the solution.

[sunshinegold]

You are welcome madmanmunt.

I know how frustrating it can get.  Been there.  Am there.

Now I'm stuck with the keyhole.  How do you get the key

I tried braking the egg, but it seems the glass is too thick and I need more force.

[Joyce]

Sunshinegold

Now this one I do remember

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set the egg down in the sand in front of cave, go up the path where vulture is, pick up another stick on the way because I think the vulture is back again and you will have to get rid of him again, go by him and to the left and you come out on top of hill, drop flint on egg

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[Joyce]

Jane - trying to figure out what you haven't done yet lol but don't worry about the tower yet. Can you be a bit more specific as to what you have done so far.

[sunshinegold]

Thank you Joyce.

I'm glad you're ahead in this game.

We can always count on you

[madmanmunt]

Can anyone help me? I've been collecting the pieces of paper in the bush with the snail. I nudged the leaves and made the drip fall down onto the branch. I assumed this would make the branch slippery and propel the snail across the gap but when I get down the branch it has not changed at all, the water is not visible and walking down it has no effect. Am I missing doing anything or is the game simply not responding when it should be?

[Wretched]

madmanmunt,
No this should not happen, and hasn't as far as I know happend before. Have you by any chance downloaded a new version and used an old save game? this could cause any number of styrange occurances. Also did the water appear during the 'drip' cut scene and then dissappear when you got to the jump?

[madmanmunt]

No, I have only downloaded the game once. The water does appear during the cut scene but its not there when I get to the jump. I've tried it a couple of times and it hasn't worked. Maybe I should download a new version of the game.

[miryoku_81]

Ahh, silly leaves...

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So far I have 3 leaves - one from the hermit's cave, one from the castle vines, and I caught one on the windy bridge in front of the castle.  Where is the elusive fourth leaf?

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[Wretched]

miryoku_81,
fig!

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It's right where you started, but hidden by MA on entry.

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[miryoku_81]

miryoku_81,
fig!

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It's right where you started, but hidden by MA on entry.

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Thanks for the quick reply Wretched - I've really enjoyed your game so far.  Wow, I feel so stupid that I couldn't find that - maybe because it was so obvious, i didn't see it   

[sunshinegold]

The snail got 7 pieces of paper.  I'm looking for the 8th piece.  Is it in the maze

[Joyce]

Ooooooo that maze, I was stuck in there for two days and my problem was everytime I got the 8 pieces and came out Ma told me I didn't have all the pieces but yes all the 8 pieces are in there - somewhere!

[Joyce]

Sunshinegold
There was a map posted but unfortunately its on hints and tips. Maybe Wretched will post another map on here and it would give you an idea of what piece you have missed

[miryoku_81]

Arghhh!

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Is there any strategy to shooting the hats? Ã, I've tried at least 20 times to get to 1,000 points and each time I get around 920 points and a couple of times even 990. Ã, I guess the only thing to do is to keep trying. Ã, I have to go ice my arm now - I think it's gone numb.

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Ã,  Ã, 

[Joyce]

check your email sunshine I sent you the map

[jane]

I bet I'm not the only one who has been unable to complete the game 'cos they can't do the hat game :'(.............I've given up which is a shame as it was a brilliant game to that point.  Point and click adventure games I love but my reflexes are not quick enough for shooting games.  I tried umpteen times and could only get to just over 900.

[Joyce]

Yep thats where I gave up as well, my hand was numb for hours. I think thats the end of the game though, haven't seen anybody ask any questions after they completed that so I'm not too upset but it would have been nice to have seen the ending after coming so far and being stuck in a maze for two days lol

[Wretched]

miryoku_81 ,
Sorry about the Hats, I figured if I could get about 2000, 1000 was a reasonable target.
Stratagy, sort of

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Try to shoot the early slow hats as soon as possible, they speed up based on game time not number of hats. When they get fast, move in towards earth and focus on dangerous hats but still try to shoot the others early if you have time. When they get really fast just defend the bit of sky 45 degrees in from earth. Use 1 shot per hat early in the game then 2 or continous when they get very fast and/or overlap. Assume every shot has missed its target.

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[xdrunk8]

Hi, I'm stuck on the numbers door. I think I get past it but I'm stuck on the wheel of furtune. It keeps telling me my final numbers are wrong or something and it puts me back to the numbers door and it says i need some help. I have the worm. I've been stuck here for days. Please help.

[Wretched]

xdrunk8,

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There is another bookcase in the leftmost room of the corridor, interact with red book. Now save your game ! just incase, there have been some bugs with the maze depending on which version you have. And put the worm into the secret hole.

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[sunshinegold]

check your email sunshine I sent you the map

Still stuck.   I've been stuck looking for the darned 8th paper. The map did not help.    Is it visible??? I keep putting the snail in the bush but nothing more than this morning. I spent the whole afternoon looking and getting frustrated.  I go up and down that red road, since we cannot go anywhere else. I went to the left of the screen but nothing there neither.

I feel that according to map I am missing either the top or bottom of last column.  I don't think this map is very clear. It should have been more like the 'red road' than squares.

Any suggestions.

[Wretched]

sunshine,

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The screen to the left has a piece hidden in it. You have to look at the leaves in a certain order, use the messages to workout the exact order for the six leaves.

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[sunshinegold]

sunshine,

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The screen to the left has a piece hidden in it. You have to look at the leaves in a certain order, use the messages to workout the exact order for the six leaves.

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What messages. 

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When I look at the 7 papers in inventory it only says 'small piece of paper' and in the maze I get 'will look or something like that, or not here

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[Wretched]

sunshine

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The messages you get when you look at the leaves. He says 'Me go Look' when you have got the right leaf. Then try and find the next  leaf that makes him say 'me go look'. If you loose the sequence you have to start again.

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[sunshinegold]

Thank you.

Your game is great but not very easy.

I get frustrated but I'm glad you made this game

[Wretched]

Everyone,
Good news and bad news, Gamesolves have made a walkthrough, it's in Dutch.

Walkthrough

You could copy the above url (right click->copy shortcut) and use this translator,

Translator

and selecting Dutch to English. And have a whole new adventure trying to understanding the translation. This might save the forum overloading, though i will miss everyones feedback.

[joyce]

Sunshinegold

Sorry Sorry Sorry, that was my fault, I thought you were in the maze with the worm, I just realised you are in the bush with the snail. When you said maze I immediately thought maze because there is a maze further in game. So the map is not for the bush.

[xdrunk8]

Could someone send me the map for the worm maze?

[joyce]

xdrunk8

its on the site wretched posted two posts before this one where it says walkthrough

[sunshinegold]

It's nice to have a walkthru but it was nicer to see how many people were playing this game and how fast it was to get help.

I read the walkthru in English and French but I am still stuck.  So help is still requested.

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When in the cell/room, I cannot get out. I filled the cup with hot water + yellow stuff (twice) but when I try to throw it at the laser beams it keeps telling me that (I'm not sure I want to drink that stuff) and I did 'look' at the beams before.

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[joyce]

I'm nearly afraid to help you in case I lead you astray again lol. but did you try walking through the beams, I think you might have to look and try walking but if I'm wrong don't shoot me lol. Sorry again about the maze thing

[Joyce]

and did you look at the card you picked up? the death card

[sunshinegold]

and did you look at the card you picked up? the death card

I got the death card a long time ago. In the cell I got the justice.

The walkthru says:

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to look at the beams, throw the hot water, walk back and get Astro card and key and then to walk outside

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[Joyce]

Sorry I meant the justice card. I thought maybe after I read that card and it told me I was guilty and sentenced to death that then I used cup of stuff on beams and it said something about I would have to do something drastic or something like that. There definitely wasn't any key.

[sunshinegold]

I'll try again tomorrow because I've been playing non stop since this morning and I just can't think clearly anymore.  As you see I didn't get very far in the game. By the way I only have 4 or 5 cards. Hope I didn't forget any on the way. :'(

[miryoku_81]

miryoku_81 ,
Sorry about the Hats, I figured if I could get about 2000, 1000 was a reasonable target.
Stratagy, sort of

Thanks!Ã,  I figured out that strategy even before your hints and I was able to complete the game (finally!).Ã,  I think my problem was I wasn't holding the mouse down long enough so my shots were not registering as legitimate hits or sometimes it was a little bit nit-picky about what areas of the hat you had to click on for it to register.Ã,  Maybe if you could widen the target area it would be easier for non-action adventurers such as myselfÃ, 

[Wretched]

sunshine,

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The Solution to the cell is to i) try and walk through the force field, ii) Look at the Justice card, iii) look at the force field, iv) See Worm run through force field. When Ma has seen and done all these things she becomes desperate enough to try anything. v) Use brew on force field.

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[madmanmunt]

OK, I downloaded the new version of the game (which looks great, by the way. Good job.) and got to the bit with the snail in the bush and the same thing happened again. The water dripped onto the branch in the cut scene but wasn't there when I went down afterwards. Is no-one else having this problem? It's frustrating because I'm really enjoying this game and I want to finish it.

[Wretched]

madmanmunt,
This indeed strange, in the script I have an ObjectOn(1) which turns on the slide for the cutscene and there is nothing that can turn it off again. I assume you downloaded to a new folder?

Can you send me some savegame files from your game, before and after the problem, to support@alpha72.com. To see if I can replicate it here.

[sunshinegold]

Wretched:

Just a suggestion:Ã,  When you make your next game (which we all hope will be soon) please make more space for 'saved games' not just 6 like with this game.Ã,  Sometimes/often we miss something and have to reload a saved game. With only 6 spaces, I had often had to save over a space I would have needed.Ã,  Also I find it's a good idea to have a 'meter' (like 0/999) to let us know how far we are in the game or if we have missed anything.

Also please remember in your next game that a lot of girls are playing the games and we are not all good/or don't care for arcade/action puzzles.Ã,  Please think of us.

Like I said this is just a suggestion.Ã,  This is a hell of a good game.Ã,  Not easy but pleasant.

[desimaui]

Hi Wretched - welcome back

Ahhh so the worm maze was a bug afterall. Anyway we managed to get around it. I did find another little bug I think, when Ma is in prince's room, I walked over to the far right and Ma got stuck.
Do you know what the answer to Rosie's question is?about the interpreter, I am just curious about that one.

Joyce, I need your help with the worm maze. I only found 4 pieces of papar and I can't reach one. I tried going up and down many times but there is no other paper visible. How do I get to the one that is too far and where are the others? I know the snail can move certain leaves and can bite certain to move them but I'm struggling with this.

[desimaui]

sunshine,

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The screen to the left has a piece hidden in it. You have to look at the leaves in a certain order, use the messages to workout the exact order for the six leaves.

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When you say messages you mean the writing on the papers that he's picking up? How do you do that? When I use the snails eyes on the notes, it doesn't reveal anything?

[Joyce]

Desimaui

The answer to that is either in this thread or the one over on hints and tips, it might be better explained that I can but I will try

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over to the left there are 5 maybe 6 leaves altogether, you either look at the leaves or try to pick up, can't remember which, but when you get a message saying Me Go Look or something similar, then click on another leaf and if you get the same message then you know you are on the right track, find another leaf with the message again, keep going,  but if you get message No then you start over, its like a sorta chain reaction if you know what I mean.  Other leaf at the top right, where you see a drip, you have to move the leaves into a certain order then you will get a cut scene

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[desimaui]

Desimaui

The answer to that is either in this thread or the one over on hints and tips, it might be better explained that I can but I will try

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over to the left there are 5 maybe 6 leaves altogether, you either look at the leaves or try to pick up, can't remember which, but when you get a message saying Me Go Look or something similar, then click on another leaf and if you get the same message then you know you are on the right track, find another leaf with the message again, keep going,Ã,  but if you get message No then you start over, its like a sorta chain reaction if you know what I mean.Ã,  Other leaf at the top right, where you see a drip, you have to move the leaves into a certain order then you will get a cut scene

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Joyce,
Yes, I got thru the section with the 5 leaves:

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me go look was the key. Then I moved up to section by the drip with the 4 movable leaves and tried a combination there. The drip gave me a nice water slide...

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I still can't pick up that one on the bottom thats on aÃ,  moveable leaf???

[Stefano]

My compliments to the chef!  "Where's M' Hat Ma?" is one of the best adventures I've played in the past few months (I've just finished it). It's original, funny (tragic sometimes) and the characters are well built (I felt really bad about the death of Mr. Snail. And making people feel sorry for a snail, my friends, that's an art! ). I wish I could do art for a game like this some day.

Cheers,
Stefano

[desimaui]

My compliments to the chef!Ã,  "Where's M' Hat Ma?" is one of the best adventures I've played in the past few months (I've just finished it). It's original, funny (tragic sometimes) and the characters are well built (I felt really bad about the death of Mr. Snail. And making people feel sorry for a snail, my friends, that's an art! ). I wish I could do art for a game like this some day.

Cheers,
Stefano

Hi Stefano,
I agree this is a great game , quite challenging and thats what you want them to be. Anyway, since you've finished it I thought I could ask you. I'm in England and got the 4 leaves but who do I give it to and what do I do with the mirror? I still haven't found the prince or princess?
Help please!

[Stefano]

My compliments to the chef!  "Where's M' Hat Ma?" is one of the best adventures I've played in the past few months (I've just finished it). It's original, funny (tragic sometimes) and the characters are well built (I felt really bad about the death of Mr. Snail. And making people feel sorry for a snail, my friends, that's an art! ). I wish I could do art for a game like this some day.

Cheers,
Stefano

Hi Stefano,
I agree this is a great game , quite challenging and thats what you want them to be. Anyway, since you've finished it I thought I could ask you. I'm in England and got the 4 leaves but who do I give it to and what do I do with the mirror? I still haven't found the prince or princess?
Help please!

Here you go:

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The pricess is having a little fun by the river (you can read her name carved on a tree nearby). Talk to her and you'll find out what to do with the leaves.

The mirror: Remember someone who frequently needs to look at his own image? Maybe you could try to trade it for the mirror...

You can't find the prince yet! Thow you can see him already.

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[desimaui]

Okay I got this now. THe princess has returned and now just to find the Prince.

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He must be the one with the hat with the four eyes watching from on top the tower. Do I talk to him?

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[Wretched]

Stefano,
Thanks, that makes all the hard work worth while.

Desimaui, should talk to the Queen a bit more.

[lakerz]

This is a great game!  True, it is definitely challenging, but I'm amazed this could be developed in only 3 weeks!  My hat is off to you...hehehehe.   

By the way, even in the latest version I encountered some bugs that others have discussed.

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When I'm in the Prince's room, if I pick up the devil card and look at it before looking at Emily the goat (or walking close to it), I can't go to the top balcony to confront the hat.

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[elvishnerd]

um...i tried to translate the walkthrough but my computer wont let me...so could some one tell me what to do after i find all eight pieces of paper and put the card together? i dotn know how to tell 'ma' what the snail found....

[Wretched]

elvishnerd, this is coverered in the hints section

hint here

[elvishnerd]

Thanks!   

[stuck]

i know this makes me look rather stupid but i am completely stuck right at the beginning.  I have a bowl of porridge and the plank from the fence, what do i do now?  I thought i must have to cross the river but i can't get it to work, am i clicking in the wrong place or have i missed something?

please help me, i really want to get on to the rest of the game! lol

[R4L]

Do you know how old this thread is? 

Maybe you should post in the Hints and Tips section instead.

[Anonymous]

Can anyone upload this game for me, or perhaps link me to a working version?

I'm very interested in playing it, thank you for your time and help.

-Anonymous

[Dan]

Talk about dragging a thread up from the dead Anyway, it seems to have magically changed filetype over the years:
http://www.alpha72.com/WMHM/WMHM.rar

EDIT:
This is also on there, it may be newer or just a repack:
http://www.alpha72.com/WMHM/WheresMHatMaInstall.exe

In fact all of Wretched's games can be found here:
http://www.alpha72.com/AGS/AGS.htm