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I didn't really want to post this, I was actually revisiting my posting procedures for not bothering nobody with my thoughts... but I really like to read warm words from the AGSers. I this that the occassion deserves it.

There has been a terrorist jouney in Madrid, the capital of Spain. I can't really say how many bombs have exploded, but people talk of 5, 6... What I can really see is that three bombs have blew up three vagons of a local train, vagon full of people going to work, near hospitals, even scholars going to the high School. The brackdown of victims is now 131 (new figures, 146), and it can still grow... We're talking of the major terrorist strike in the European Community.

And I agree somewhat with the non-centralism complains of the Basques! I hope that even the people who agrees with terrorist fight must feel sick today.

I hope this is the first step to implement some kind of extraordinary death penalty... Maybe you are pure, and join strenght to post something like "You can learn to understand and think that death penalty does not help"... I would really like to be so pure as you, but I can't, I am weak...

Explosions hit three Madrid commuter trains leaving 131 dead and 400 wounded (and these are just the initial numbers). Fuck all the inevitable discussions that will follow about the US, the war in Iraq, Bush, Israel, Saddam and Bin-Laden. Put it aside and look at the numbers. 131 innocent people who were just going along with their daily schedule were murdered. If we cannot offer people the most basic protection, what good are we?

173 deaths... I can't really understand this...

Narangas just sent me an news story on it -- The story has been the same for the last few hours but they keep editing it to change the death toll.

Pure or weak, it doesn't matter -- at the moment, just play it safe, man.

Barcik: It's inevitable that something like this will add fuel to the "War on Terror" spin, so it's no use saying to fuck all discussion on the subject -- It's still an important subject.

The unnatural deaths of 150 is a tragedy, I don't care how it happened.

And humans killing other humans is only more so, no matter what justification is placed on it.

Thanks DG... I really appreciate it. And please Boris and Daniel ( :'() I don't want this to be a post of discussion, just a show of pain, please, keep this discussion (if necessary) in another thread, parallel, if needed, but not in this.

I will post, with vehemence, as usual, but please, not here.

I would just like to say, that I'm deeply sorry for those that did not survive, or got wounded, and for the families. I hope that they will find the strength to forgive, and to stop the anger here.

Sorry, I posted before I knew about the other thread.

No problem, Daniel, in fact, I posted political matters in this thread, talking about death penalty. Please Minimi, let's discuss this in Boris' thread.

http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=12314

I'm no good at warm words, but... I suppose I'd pretty much try to say the same thing Las said if he hadn't already. Everything else I might say belongs in the other thread, I guess.

The national symbol against terrorist is to paint your hands in white. It started 5 or 6 years ago, when ETA kidnapped a guy and demmanded to join all the prisoners to the Basque country before two days.

They finally killed him , his name was Manuel Blanco ("White"), but it created a special feeling that made ETA reduce its activity during this time (, fortunately, untill today)

(http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/whiteHands.gif)

Here is the URL:

http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/whiteHands.gif

I've prepaired an avatar with white hands... I wish that TOMORROW SATURDAY, a lot of people changes its avatar to this, and changes his signature.

It may probably mean nothing, but this day has been named by the European Union as the day of the victims of the terrorism... So I think that this should be cool. If this has echo in the community I would really like to be mentioned in the AGS magazines and a mention in the banner in the top of the forums...

Dear Farlander.
I don't think you're weak, but just angry.
Now I'm not gonna quote Yoda but all I want to say is;

Use your anger in a positive way.

I add it to my signature as a means of saying, "Let the violence cease."

And for Farlander.

EDIT: I've just noticed how awkward the forums are getting with four white hands already -- I might remove mine, but am still against any act of violence.

It may not be as interesting or contentious to post condolences as to discuss the politics of this attack, but I for one condemn this attack, whoever perpetrated it.

My heart goes out to all the victims and their families.

I hope that the shock of this makes those who support terrorism anywhere think again.

Farlander,

My heart goes out to you and your countrymen.  I deeply deplore this horrible act and feel that there is no punishment harsh enough for the people and groups responsible for this.  

Rick

I hope you and Lorena stay safe.

Keep us informed and good luck.

:'(

~ jp

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We really appreciate the encouragements, but I haven't really be directly affected by this, I'm 500 Kms. away from Madrid, but I suppose that when you say "Farlander" you just use me as the most visible part of a Country/community.

But, as you can see, we are all affected by this in some way. Aussie said that he had friends that COULD have used that train... Lorena told me that a friend of her has a cousin who use that very train, but she was sleep this morning, thanks Lord... I have a friend at the Uni who regularily used this trains.

Actually, my town is target of terrorist strikes during the summer season, I can't feel sure.

The feeling now is changing from death penalty to a more relaxed one, like perpetual penalty... I think that the good people doesn't want to join the club of the killers... As much time happens, I start to feel like that.

But I share that people who make conscient acts aimed to kill 200 people are not really people.

As horrible as I think the attacks were, I'm not in favour of the death penaly against the ones responsible. It's good to hear people are thinking about it more rationally already Farlander.

I just got in from work and heard about this on the news. It's such a sad unnecessary waste of human life; I don't know what we can do, other than offer condolences to the families of the victims.

It has been a very sad day in Spain. Here at Valencia we are far from Madrid, but everyone has some friends there and we also have felt the anxiety of such a tragig day. The ideas shouldn't be deffended with weapons. I'm against terrorism but also against death penalty.

oh fuck, 192 deaths and 1400 injured people. (so far). Children, pregnant women.... fuck.
And what did they do? go to work?
how many people (relatives, friends of the victims) must be suffering.
I wonder what do ETA think they are going to get with that?
I just cant understand it. Fuck them all.

Here is a list of WOUNDED people... If you want to click, just for curiosity, notice that there are a lot of foreign surnames... Another show of the nosense of terrorism:

http://www.mir.es/atentadomadrid/heridoshospitales.htm (http://www.mir.es/atentadomadrid/heridoshospitales.htm)

My condolences to all those who have lost somebody.  This is a terrible occurence.

I haven't dropped in much as of late but wanted to post to express my sympathy.  I'll avoid arguments about responsibility and arguments about the death penalty, and I will avoid venting my anger concerning this event. It means more coming from me that I won't be entering any arguments or discussions on this subject, aside from expressing my profound sadness and sympathy to all Spaniards and especially those that frequent this forum.

It's a pretty sad world we live in ... enough said.  :'(

I am ashamed to be a human at this time. I've lighted all the candles I have in the house. I am so angry >:( :'(

Official list of identified corpses (127 at the moment) We can find 12 nationalities (Bolivian, Peruan, Morrocoean, Polish, Cuban...):

Abad Quijada, Eva Belén.

Abril Alegre, à“scar.

Aguado Rojano, Florencio.

Alonso Rodríguez, Juan Alberto.

àlvarez González, María Josefa.

Aparicio Somolinos, María Nuria.

Arenas Barroso, Alberto.

Astocondor Masgo Neil Hebe.

àvila Jiménez, Ana Isabel.

Badajoz Cano, Miguel Angel.

Ballesteros Ibarra, Susana.

Barahona Imedio, Javier.

Barajas Diaz, Gonzalo.

Bedoya, Gloria Inés.

Benito Samaniego, Rodolfo.

Bogdan, Livia.

Brasero Murga, Florencio.

Bryk Alina, María.

Cabrejas Burillo, María Pilar.

Cabrero Pérez, Rodrigo.

Cano Martínez, Alicia.

Carrillero Baeza, José María.

Carrión Franco, Alvaro.

Casas Torresano, Francisco Javier.

Castillo Muñoz, Cipriano.

Castillo Sevillano, María Inmaculada.

Centenera Montalvo, Sara.

Cisneros Villacis, Oswaldo Manuel.

De Benito Caboblanco, Esteban.

Martín de las Heras Correa, Sergio.

De Luna Ocaña, Miguel.

De Miguel Jiménez, àlvaro.

Del Amo María Fernanda.

Del Amo Aguado, Juan Carlos.

Del Río Menéndez, Marta.

Del Río Menéndez, Nuria.

Díez Hernández, Beatriz.

Djoco, Sam.

Duran, Santiago María Dolores.

El Amrati, Osama.

Encinas Soriano, Sara.

Fernández àvila, Carlos Marino.

Ferrer Reymado, Rex.

Figueroa Bravo, Héctor Manuel.

Gallardo Olmo, José.

Gallego Triguero, José Raúl.

Gámiz Torres, María Pilar.

García Alfageme, Abel.

García Arnaiz, Juan Luis.

García Fernández, Beatriz.

García García-Moniño, María de las Nieves.

García González, Enrique.

García Sánchez, José.

Garrote Plaza, Javier.

Gil Pérez, Ana Isabel.

Gómez Gudiña, à“scar.

González Gago, Félix.

González García, àngelica.

González Grande, Teresa.

González Roque, Elías.

Gracia García, Juan Miguel.

Gutiérrez García, Berta María.

Hermida Martín, Pedro.

Iglesias López, Alejandra.

Izquierdo Asanza, Pablo.

Jaro Narrillos, María Teresa.

Laforga Bajón, Laura Isabel.

León Moyano, María Victoria.

Lominchar Alonso, María del Carmen.

López Menchero Moraga, José María.

López Ramos, María Cristina.

Mancebo Zaforas, Francisco Javier.

Marín Mora, Antonio.

Martín Pacheco, Luis Andrés.

Martín Rejas, María Pilar.

Martínez Rodríguez, Carmen Mónica.

Melguizo Martínez, Mirian.

Mengibar Jiménez, Javier.

Michell Rodríguez, Michael.

Mopocita Mopocita, Victor.

Mora Donoso, Encarnación.

Moreno Santiago, Eugenio.

Moris Crespo, Juan Pablo.

Muñoz Lara, Juan.

Narvaez de la Rosa, Francisco José.

Nogales Guerrero, Ismael.

Novellón Martínez, Inés.

Orgaz Orgaz, Miguel Angel.

Pastor Pérez, Juan Francisco.

Pedraza Pino, Josefa.

Pedraza Rivero, Mirian.

Pinel Alonso, Felipe.

Plasencia Hernández, Martha Scarlett.

Polo Remartínez, María Luisa.

Prieto Humanes, Miguel Angel.

Quesada Bueno, Francisco Antonio.

Ramírez Bedoya, John Jairo.

Ramos Lozano, Laura.

Rodríguez Casanova, Jorge.

Rodríguez Castell, Luis.

Rodríguez Sánchez, Francisco Javier.

Rogado Escribano, Ambrosio.

Romero Sánchez, Cristina.

Sabalete Sánchez, Antonio.

Sánchez López Sergio.

Sánchez Quispe, Juan Antonio.

Sánchez-Dehesa Francés, Balbina.

Santamaría García, David.

Sanz Morales, Juan Carlos.

Sanz Pérez, Eduardo.

Senent Pallarola, Guillermo.

Serrano Lastra, Miguel Antonio.

Serrano López, Rafael.

Sierra Seron, Federico Miguel.

Simón González, Donino.

Soler Iniesta, Susana.

Soto Arranz, Carlos.

Subervielle Marion, Cintia.

Szpila Danuta, Teresa.

Tenesaca Betancourt, José Luis.

Toribio Pascual, Iris.

Tortosa García, Carlos.

Utrilla Escribano, Jesús.

Valderrama López, José Miguel.

Valdés Ruiz, Saúl.

Viilela Fernández, David.

Zamora Gutiérrez, Juan Ramón.

Rest in peace.

dammit mann, why... what are they going to achieve...

*sigh*  :-[

I'd just like to offer my condolences to all the people effected by this terrible event, It's a shame that things like this still happen in this day and age, but I guess it's almost just expected that these things will happen. (where and when is just a mystery)

Just on some strange statistical note, I heard this occurred 911 days after 9/11, I haven't bothered to count or even care if there is any link or if it is true, It's just a horific tragedy.

I haven't seen the news or anything for the last few days so I kinda missed it all, but I did hear people in the pub talking about it, I wasn't sure if I was just hearing things, obviously not.

I hope as many of the injured can resume normal lives, that's about the best we can all hope for at this stage.

~Peace?

I left off posting on these threads for so long on purpose because I knew that if I did, I'd sound pretty incoherent.

Since it happened I've done my research. I don't think it was the Basques. It is sad that the Spanish Government is blaming the Basques for political reasons, instead of being honest and protecting its people.

These people never did anything to deserve this. Those trains were such soft, soft targets. The terrorists are cowards and murderers.

What scares me even more is this 'Black Wind of Death' that they claim is 90% complete. Sure, it could be a lie. It might not be. It's certainly possible. What about Sellafield? What about all of the Nuclear Power Stations in France? Europe is an easy target. Especially for a suicide bomber. Seeing as most crimes fail in the getaway.


EDIT: It did happen 911 days after 9/11. Also, 911 is the emergency number in the US. Could be a whole bunch of coincedences. Knowing the Al-kieda (sp) and their deep love of symbolism, it probably isn't.

Let me post the evidences aiming to basques and Al-Quaeda... Take your own conclussions:

Aiming to ETA: ETA tried to make a big attack in Madrid 4 times before, in new Year's eve in 2002, last September, in 24th December 2003 and 8 days before the "11-M".

In adittion, ETA put 13 bag bombs in a sky station this past Xmas...

- ETA usually denies the responsability at the beginning when the strikes are too bloody (HiperCor, Barcelona, 1988 (21 kills) and Madrid 1976 (11 kills).

- ETA was weak, "old fashioned" if compared with islamic groups, and it needed a big strike to enter in the international stage again.

Aiming in the opposite direction of ETA:

- ETA uses alluminiun detonators, the ones used in Madrid were made of cooper (But they were also spanish...)

- ETA usually aims for bankers, militars and politicians. If the bomb is located in a "civilian" place, they usually make a phonecall just to cause material damages.

- ETA and the spokesman of their politic equivalent have denied any "responsability" (Which has to be taken with care, they know that people can vote socialist if they believe that Al-Quaeda was behind the strikes)

- The material was not "cloratite?" but "Goma2 heco" (Rubber 2, a spanish bombing material, probably robbed in a quarry) ETA has "historically" used Goma 2, but in the past years they were using "cloratite".

Aiming to Al-Quaeda:

- The vehicle used by the terrorist had a tape with verses of the Corán (A tape that can be sold anywhere, I can say...)

- An integrist group claimed for the responsability of the attacks in a Muslim digital diary of London (This is a small Pakistaní group which never made anything out of Pakistán, but claimed a lot of false attacks, I.E. the strikes in Istambul and the Energy cut in New York... We can also say that the claim has been cosidered by experts made "A little bit too soon, and a little bit too clear...")

So... decide: The style is Al-Quaeda, but ETA was looking for something like that a long time ago. There are some circumstancial evidences that aim to Al-Quaeda, but ETA seems to be overjoyed if the Popular Party looses support by this, it all can be a trap.

Who can't feel pain because of the attack on Madrid?

the ETA prisoners started to shout "Hoorrays" when they realised of how serious was the attack... They had to be taken away because the other prisoners wanted to lynch them. I post this because ETA still has a romantic aura over it... No matter if they did it or not, but they're happy.