Dead Man's Chest: Not Half Bad!

Radiant · Thu 27/07/2006 10:33:31

Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 27/07/2006 10:10:54
until the gold is taken away...Then he should just flop over again, logically.

Maybe I didn't understand you, but when the gold was taken away from Barbossa and returned to the chest, he DID flop over and die.

Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens · Thu 27/07/2006 10:41:03

No, iirc Barbossa was returned to mortal form at which point Jack ran him through. Now if he somehow got a piece of the gold before dying (which seems to be the case) I suppose that the curse sustains him, but he's essentially in a state of suspended death now (and wasn't before, since he acquired the curse initially while alive (and not suffering fatal injuries I'm guessing).

This also depends on what the curse actually does when lifted. Does it return people to perfect health in spite of anything that happened to them before the curse, or does it return them to their state just prior to the curse? We know only this from the film: it ignores injuries that occur while cursed, since the crew of the Pearl and Barbossa didn't drop dead after it was lifted from the multitude of injuries suffered while cursed. These questions and more will probably not be answered.

Ali · Thu 27/07/2006 10:47:51

The sequel had a few good ideas. The first had a few more, but they were both somewhat flat. The best idea was the underdeveloped East India Company's plot for domination of the seas.

I would have had more about that, and less water-wheel fights and seemingly endless scenes in which characters wait before shooting barrels of rum. Just shoot them! Stop looking at the rum and shoot it! I've been waiting what feels like an hour... Captain Jack's back. Perhaps he'll shoot the rum? Thanks you.

Radiant · Thu 27/07/2006 12:59:52

Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 27/07/2006 10:41:03
Now if he somehow got a piece of the gold before dying (which seems to be the case) I suppose that the curse sustains him,

I would hope they have a better plot reason for his reappearance than rehashing the curse (aside from the point that said curse would keep him unable to eat apples, and give him no reason to be friendly to Jack). It's quite possible that the Voodoo Lady used her magic to resurrect him, instead. It's also quite possible that he isn't really alive per se.

QuoteWe know only this from the film: it ignores injuries that occur while cursed,

Narrative convenience, I'm afraid

Anym · Sat 29/07/2006 11:58:59

I didn't like it, but it left me curious enough to make see the third part when it comes out. It was very much like The Matrix Reloaded in that respect.

I did not like neither because I don't like long movies in general (I like the Lord of the Rings and Forrest Gump for example) nor because I don't like sequels in general (I like Spider-Man 2 and Shrek 2 for example) nor even because I don't like blockbusters with a lot of hype surrounding them in general (I like Finding Nemo and Jurassic Park for example), even though there are probably more examples of movies I didn't like than ones that I liked in all of these categories.

I didn't find PotC 2 funnier than the first one, only sillier. There were lots of superfluous silly scenes which could have been cut to make the movie shorter. For example, the entire cannibal island subplot. I didn't like the character design of the villains very much. Davy Jones actually made me hope that they'll never do a big budget Cthulhu movie. Come to think of it, there was hardly anything I did like about the villains. In the first part many of the cursed pirates felt like individuals, here they were only an amorpous mass (in more than one sense). It also felt like that they just picked the name of Davy Jones for flavour and just threw in other random elements for good measure, like Captain Nemo's organ playing, the tentacled face, the totally unrelated and very ugly Flying Dutchman or even Bootstrap Bill. It's probably hard to pull off a good plot without good villains and I think they didn't manage to pull it off this time.

I did like the special effects most of the time, for example, even though I didn't like the way Davy Jones looked like, I found the combination of make-up and computer graphics very convincing and for most of the part the special effects weren't noticeable as such, which is how good special effects should be.

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The only bad effects were the slow-motion of the bullet Jack fires at the net of explosive barrels and the scene where Jack is eaten by the Kraken.

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I did like that they brought back Norrington, who was one of my favourite characters in the first movie, albeit with a radically changed character this time, and who's return came as a pleasant suprise to me, as mentionng in the beginning that he resigned and went away made it sound like to me that the actor didn't have time or wanted too much money and wouldn't be showing up at all.

I think every mention of

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Barbossa

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should be marked as a spoiler. As far as cliffhangers go, which I'm not too fond of, this one was OK, I guess.

Gregjazz · Thu 03/08/2006 07:09:30

My little brother told me a possible explanation for some of the things... I think it's pretty good and interesting, so I'll put it in spoilers:

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Jack Sparrow died at sea and took up Davy Jones' offer to serve... but rather than 100 years, 13 years on the Black Pearl. So Jack Sparrow has the curse of Davy Jones. He tries to keep this fact a secret. By the way, this is why in the first movie, he took a bite out of the poisoned apple Captain Barbados had and didn't die--Barbados shows a look of surprise. (this is left unexplained in the movie)

At the end of the first movie, Jack Sparrow becomes undead, but that's just the curse of the gold--so he has two curses simultaneously.

Anyway, Jack having the curse of Davy Jones and being already dead would also explain why he would jump into the kraken's mouth... and apparently survive this.

Captain Barbados, perhaps after dying in the first movie, met (because he was close to sea) Davy Jones, and took up the deal. This would explain why Captain Barbados is alive in the end of the second movie (but perhaps with the curse of Davy Jones).

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Anyway, comments appreciated!

Nacho · Thu 03/08/2006 07:13:05

the command for hiding the spoilers is [ hide ] dear Geoffkhan! Please, change it because I've accidentally read some parts... :'(

Gregjazz · Thu 03/08/2006 07:39:02

Quote from: Nacho on Thu 03/08/2006 07:13:05
the command for hiding the spoilers is [ hide ] dear Geoffkhan! Please, change it because I've accidentally read some parts... :'(

I can't believe you read it before I edited it... (I edited it so fast that it doesn't say "edited by...")

Sorry about that. Bad memory and all, I forgot the correct tag.

Nacho · Thu 03/08/2006 08:18:45

No probs... I am quite good at forgetting information, I am sure that the scene will surprise me in the movie... ^_^

Scummbuddy · Sat 05/08/2006 03:16:25

comment:

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who and where did you get the idea that the apple was cursed/poisoned?

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Bartimaeus · Sun 06/08/2006 23:24:01

Yeah the apple wasn't poisoned, it was his apple that he was keeping for when he lifted the curse.

Anyways, saw it yesterday and I really enjoyed it - not as much as the first one - but that's pretty much always the case. I also remember thinking during the movie that Norrington was wearing the EXACT same thing as Guybrush from MI2. Pirates rule.

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Oh yeah and although I didn't really like the "make way for the sequel" ending, Barbosa coming back was one of my favourite parts of the whole movie. He's almost as cool as Jack Sparrow.

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Phemar · Thu 10/08/2006 17:01:30

Best. Movie. Ever.

I'm gonna see it again and again. I'm gonna book out a cinema for an entire day and watch it over and over again.

I wanna friggin sex the entire cast.

Nacho · Fri 11/08/2006 11:07:01

Quote from: Zor on Thu 10/08/2006 17:01:30
Best. Movie. Ever.

I'm gonna see it again and again. I'm gonna book out a cinema for an entire day and watch it over and over again.

I wanna friggin sex the entire cast.

I've seen it... Ditto.

MarkPhantom · Fri 11/08/2006 12:13:26

Too long, too convoluted, self-important story. Only really very good when Jack Sparrow was on the screen - Keira and Orlando are just damp fireworks.

deadsuperhero · Sat 12/08/2006 00:57:29

Quote from: MarkPhantom on Fri 11/08/2006 12:13:26
Keira and Orlando are just damp fireworks.

True, but they play the nice characters. Orlando Bloom isn't supposed to be funny, and Keira isn't supposed to be tough. It's their characters, and also, they shouldn't change. Their dependence on others make the other characters important. Look at The Mummy. Great movie. The characters were funny, clever, and each had their own flaws. In The Mummy Returns they've changed way too much.
I think POTCII balanced the characters out just fine.
And of course, Jack Sparrow kicks ass.

Erenan · Sat 12/08/2006 01:01:58

Jack and Barbossa are really aliens or robots or both.

Mysteries solved.

Nacho · Sat 12/08/2006 11:22:43

Sorry if this has been asked before, but in POTC 1 there is a final scene after the credits, which is quite important:

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The ghost monkey appears, which everything that implies, resurrecting Barbossa and all that...

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I've read there's a similar scene, after the credits, in POTC 2. Someone who has seen it can post it about what was it about (Using the hide feature of course), or PM me?

Thanks.

Phemar · Sat 12/08/2006 11:48:05

I haven't seen the scene but I will today, (I'm seeing the movie again).

This is what I've heard:

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Apparently it's just about the cannibals making the dog their new chief like Jack was.

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Will edit in more depth this afternoon when I come back from seeing it!

jetxl · Sat 12/08/2006 18:30:20

Phemar · Sat 12/08/2006 21:19:55

Ok Farlander it's really nothing. About the biggest anti-climax ever. I waited through the entire credits promising my friends that there REALLY was an extra scene (very long credits).

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OK it lasted about 5 seconds. It starts with a cannibal with white bodypaint dancing around a fire and then pans right to a throne whereupon sits the dog looking very happy. That's it. No really that's all.

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Anyway still a kickass movie.