Hi, guys. It's me again. I wanted to know about the game Indigo Prophecy. I want to play it SO bad, but I'm not sure if my parents will let me. I mean, they'll let me play violent games, but if it has sex in it, the game's a no-go. I know Fahrenheit, the UK version, had sex in it. I was wondering if the toned-down American version doesn't have sex. If there are any other things that would keep a fifteen-year-old from playing this game (I'm allowed to play games like HL2, Wolfenstein, and games like that) let me know. I'll probably show this thread to my parents as proof, too, so please don't curse or show pictures I know I'll regret showing them here. Thanks again.
-TheCheese33
Oh.. You're parents will let you play games that allow you to maim, murder, and destroy living creatures.. But they're shielding you from something as natural as sex? And simulated polygon sex at that? Wow... What strange standards.
Anyway, I'm not here to judge your parents, I'm sure they're nice folks. As far as I know, Indigo Prophecy is just a re-naming of Farenheit. I don't remember any sex or nudity in it at all.
In the American version (IP) there are some implied sex scenes, but nothing explicit happens on-screen like in Fahrenheit, I'm pretty sure. The Adventure Gamers review (http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,569) talks about " a small amount of swearing and mild sexual content".
I think your parents should take an active role in your intrests and find out for themselves if the game is appropriate for you. It's not up to you to tell them that it is appropriate for you. I don't think that is a decision we should make or influence.
But, you asked...so:
I went to the website and the game is rated M for Mature, a 17+ rating. So, in short I would say the answer is no. However, as LGM said, if your parents are wackjobs enough to let you watch simulated murder rather than simulated sex.... Personally, I don't think you should be viewing either.
However, when you turn 18 and you're all screwed up like the rest of us, please come back and visit us and tell us about your girl troubles. I'm sure you will fit right in ;D.
Another thing. Your parents should be very proud of you. That you would ask this question at all is a sign of maturity and respect for your parents. So, I'm sorry that we have kind of bashed them in this thread (well, just LGM and me). I think you need to sit down with them and have a long talk.
good luck,
-junc
I played the European version, Fahrenheit. It's quite a tame game compared to the two you listed. The sex scene is quite funny and blurry, and not exactly something I'd shelter my hypothetical children from, but it's not even present in the US version as people said. I would hope that you wouldn't get into trouble for playing this game.
Quote from: juncmodule on Tue 20/06/2006 05:03:09
Another thing. Your parents should be very proud of you. That you would ask this question at all is a sign of maturity and respect for your parents. So, I'm sorry that we have kind of bashed them in this thread (well, just LGM and me). I think you need to sit down with them and have a long talk.
Yeah. I'm going to show this thread to my parents, next time I see them, and tell them: "Look here, you [
deleted in accordance with forum rules]! This is the kind of honest, upstanding young man I could have been, if you had just sheltered me from games containing brief partial nudity when I was growing up. What have you done to me?! What have you done?!"
Scarred for life by Duke Nukem 3D...
How much sex you see in Fahrenheit (pretty sure there's none in Indigo Prophecy) depends on how you play. I'd say it's... pretty safe.
If you really want the game so bad, why don't you ask one of your friends if they can buy it for you? That's what I did for all of my video games when my mom acted crazy.
You'll be good as long as you don't present the female of interest with wine. Wine always leads to sex :-\.
It's actually playing the guitar.Ã, Anyway, here is a screenshot! (Pixellated for sensitive eyes.)
Only click if you are old enough to see pixellated 3d nudity!
http://www.grundislavgames.com/crap/hawt2.jpg
Weird, I used the wine in my first game and it didn't work. I played the guitar in my second playthrough and it didn't work. Or maybe I did BOTH? Oh, so long ago.
And I didn't even realise these was the sex scene you were refering to! So there is more than one..
Quote from: juncmodule on Tue 20/06/2006 05:03:09
I think your parents should take an active role in your intrests and find out for themselves if the game is appropriate for you. It's not up to you to tell them that it is appropriate for you. I don't think that is a decision we should make or influence.
I went to the website and the game is rated M for Mature, a 17+ rating. So, in short I would say the answer is no. However, as LGM said, if your parents are wackjobs enough to let you watch simulated murder rather than simulated sex.... Personally, I don't think you should be viewing either.
I don't want to be going all off-topic here, but I really really have an issue here. The parents shouldn't have a huge saying in what's appropriate to him. And he should definately tell them what is appropriate to him! Parents can completely go the wrong way when they underestimatethe the child, and deny them to play and watch games and movies that contain sexual content.
I mean, why should they? There is nothing wrong with watching pornographic material. Your eyes don't pop out, and your penis won't explode.
But i agree with you that it's unnatural that the parents don't have anything against violence and gore, when sex is tabu. But unfortunately/strangely, that's how the world works. Some people feel offended by sex for some reason, and make it a sin, whilst violence is thrilling and fun.
My point is; I'm tired of people saying sex (simulated, real or on-screen) is bad. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it! If it is, please tell me now, before I retire to make love to my girlfriend...
(...i wish...)
Like or rather acknowledge it or not, there are still places where sex may be dangerous for a young mind, giving false information, or even shocking. I think anyone who's ever used internet for porn knows what I'm talking about. And up until a certain age where the child is mature to make his own decisions, it's the parents' job to explain what is appropriate and what's not. As I've grown older, I've realized that parents are usually right, no matter what the subject is. I nowadays find myself lecturing to my little sister about how everything was different and better when I was growing up (not talking about sex here :D). This means that as I've matured and have started to take the first considerations to having my own children, I'm beginning to see the light.
However, openness is always the best option. Parents should talk with their children about what is appropriate and what they should steer clear from. They should also always explain their restrictions to their kids and try to leave them feeling responsible rather than ordered. You can't deny that there is various dark and twisted sexual activity in the world that the kids may be impressionable to. And the Internet or the computer are a portal to that. In this sense it's really important to set logical boundaries and help to explain to the child why they are enforced.
Think about it from the parents' viewpoint. You have an underaged son who wants to buy an R-rated mature game, of which you know nothing about. The game may be some s&m porn game for all you know. What would you do? What the kid in this situation should do is talk to the parents and explain what the game is about and how much sexual content it has (I guess this is what TheCheese is meaning to do). Perhaps he could mention how this is no twisted sex game but rather a best-seller which has been criticized earlier for the sexual content. He could also explain that the sex that occurs in the game is between traditional couples in a very traditional and discreet way, and with much love and affection intended. Maybe the parents might even support it after this explanation.
So victor, you're saying parents shouldn't regulate their kids' exposure to sexual content at all? Which would you rather want for your son or daughter, to restrict access and explain things as they really are, or let the kids find out for themselves through a domain that contains promisquous content be it bestiality, scat, bondage, snuff, bukkake or whatever on a massive scale?
EDIT: I remember when I wanted to buy Gabriel Knight, so I showed a review of the game in a magazine to my mother. The magazine review contained an image of the swamp ritual with all the naked women, so my mom looked at the magazine and asked, "Are you sure this isn't a bit mature for you?" I was really young, so I don't remember how it played out, but I didn't end up buying the game for whatever reason. I think I bought Indiana Jones: Fate of Atlantis instead. And I can't complain my decision :D. Anyways, I played Gabriel Knight some time later as a pirate version and then bought a collection packet with GK1, GK2 and a bunch of other stuff for 10 bucks. This is just something that popped into my mind when thinking about the issue.
Quote from: ildu on Tue 20/06/2006 22:29:22
So victor, you're saying parents shouldn't regulate their kids' exposure to sexual content at all? Which would you rather want for your son or daughter, to restrict access and explain things as they really are, or let the kids find out for themselves through a domain that contains promisquous content be it bestiality, scat, bondage, snuff, bukkake or whatever on a massive scale?
I agree. My parents tried to shield me away from sex and I didn't figure it out until one day when I saw a frog humping another frog.
Speaking from my own experiences here: My parents very rarely shielded me from anything in the media. I mean, in 1991, when I was 4 years old, they took me to see Terminator 2 in the theatres. And according to my dad, I loved it. I remember watching it over and over on VHS at a very young age, only hiding my eyes in the part where Arnie rips off his arm to prove he's a robot.
The role of the parents, in my opinion, is to educate the kids about what they're seeing. The sex scenes in Fahrenheit are both between two consenting adults, who want to have sex with each other, so what's so wrong about it? There's nothing overly pornographic about the two scenes, if anything the bit of nudity in there is to remind the player that the characters are indeed having sex.
My parents always explained to me why characters were being violent, and never really shielded me from any video games (My mom once told me to not repeat what Duke was saying in Duke Nukem 3d, but that was it).
I find that kids at a young age deal with things themselves. Like, for instance, I wouldn't show a movie with excessive violence/nudity/gore/swearing to a 9 year old, but say there's a bit of blood or a bit of nudity in the the movie, I think it's fine. I remember when I was around 9, whenever people starting heavily kissing in a movie, I'd just hide my eyes. Same with blood (Now, as a 9 year old, I like both, haha).
Also, as a 19 year old, I have a bit more intelligence to judge the situation unfolding around me. My girlfriend's little sister is 11, and I can see the same things I did happening to her. She hides her eyes during kissing and what not. Her parents are a bit more strict about what she watched than mine, but that's their choice and I'm not arguing it.
I think I'm almost about done my rant, if you will, about censoring things for younger children. Many different parents have many different ways of doing it, and I accept that. I'm not trying to preach that how I was raised was the best (By the way, I should state that I've never been in a fight and never raped anyone), basically all it boils down to is whether or not the parents are paying attention to what their kids are watching/playing.
THE END. *Happy sigh and flourish*
This topic... it's turning into... one of those topics.
You know it too...
Quote from: "Acqua" Akumayo on Wed 21/06/2006 03:35:39
This topic... it's turning into... one of those topics.
You know it too...
No no no, it's not quite there yet...
TheCheese33's parents have a problem with allowing their 15 year old to see sexual material, but they have no problem with violence/guns/destruction? There are probably Republican!!
Now it's turned into one of
those topics :D
I just read TheCheese's profile and seeing as he is from Texas, Disco might actually be right :D. It also says that he's 14 years old.
Anyways, now that I see where you're from and what your possibilities are for getting the EU version, I can actually just answer your original question: Indigo Prophecy is exactly the same as Fahrenheit, except they've taken the sexual acts and removed any hints of those specific acts. So if you're not bothered by girls in underwear, you should be fine.
BerserkerTails, just because you dealt with it, doesn't mean everyone else does!
I know a six year old girl who begged her parents to let her watch a certain film that's not advised to be watched by children. For weeks after she watched it she was scared and kept wanting to sleep with her parents and not sleep alone in her room. Didn't deal with it too well, did she?
Quote from: ManicMatt on Wed 21/06/2006 08:54:47
I know a six year old girl who begged her parents to let her watch a certain film that's not advised to be watched by children. For weeks after she watched it she was scared and kept wanting to sleep with her parents and not sleep alone in her room. Didn't deal with it too well, did she?
I know what you mean. Hilary Duff's acting scared the shit out of me, too.
My understanding is that Fahrenheit differs from Indigo Prophecy in that it's more explicit during the act and rumor has it that if you do the right actions you control the scene somewhat. Indigo Prophecy has one scene, in particular, that I recall being very suggestive, but it's mostly a right before/right after type of scene. All-in-all you're likely to see worse on prime-time US TV. There is a good bit of running about in underwear though, so if that's off-limits then you'd best look elsewhere.
If it's any consolation, it was a fun gaming experience but nowhere near the amount I enjoyed replaying Grim Fandango or Sam & Max.
The gore and ritualistic cult references seem to merit the rating more than the sex scenes, but it definitely has the feel on an "M" game to me.
whoa, they must be totally conservative over in america, over here, its rated 15 and over there its censored AND rated higher.
I still hide my eyes during kissing scenes.
Wow. This is sounding like an argument against kids playing violent games, instead of saying wether Indigo Prophecy doesn't have a sex scene like Fahrenheit. I respect users like TheYak, who get straight to the point and don't act all rude and say my parents are really weird people. It's funny how you mention something in one little sentence, and the discussion turns into, "Wow. They let him play explody games but won't let him play naked games?" You know, everyone has different ways of handling things. For example, I play some rude, explody games where you shoot everything in sight and heads pop off, but people say that I am one of the most polite teens they have ever met. In the end, parents have the right to choose.
And I also see people talking about how my profile says 14, yet I wrote "15". I'm turning 15 in a month.
I didn't mean to offend you in any way by looking at your profile. It was just a playful response to Disco's playful remark.
Short answer: It's not appropriate, edited sex scenes aside. And they are edited in the US version, but it still contains overt sexual references. Not to mention murder, ritual sacrifice, etc...
Fahrenheit (Indigo Prophecy) is appropriate for anyone old enough to play it.
Fahrenheit has a PEGI rating in Europe of 16+, therefore anyone 16 years old or above can play it. As far as I know the PEGI is a voluntary rating system, to be used as a guide rather than a rule.
By contrast, F.E.A.R has a BBFC rating of 18, and should only be played by people 18 and over. It is considered a crime for anyone under 18 to be sold a copy.
We can bemoan the logic of these ratings until we're blue in the face, but whether you are mature or not doesn't enter the equation.
Sorry if I come across as harsh, but thats the way it is. :-\
LimpingFish: Could you describe to me what the "sexual references" are like?
And, please, use detailed descriptions and lascivious verbage. To my recollection, the references are the equivalent of "I'm gonna get you into bed", "Have you moaning","You were wonderful" sorts of remarks commonly heard in late-night TV.
I suppose the question of whether it's appropriate is best judged by your parents in this case. If I were to make a blanketed decision concerning all people your age, I'd say no. However, I think it's a fair argument for your maturity in the way you've both begun and re-addressed this thread. Your parents are lucky and can't have done a horrible job in raising you in my vaguely-informed and unqualified e-opinion.
I hate censorship, in any medium. I hate how a film can be classed as "Suitable For Adults Only." and yet still suffer cuts to its content. Its a hipocracy fuelled by a "Scapegoat" mentality that society's problems are all down to Movies/Videogames/Music, etc.
But condeming censorship and saying that anybody should be allowed to Watch/Play/Listen to anything they want are two different things.
Indigo Prophecy, or F.E.A.R, or the Silent Hill games, or ANY game that features overtly violent, disturbing, or sexual themes and/or content, are only suitable to be played by mature gamers.
And I would respect a system that could ensure that they WOULD be, thus negating the need for any outside meddling in their content.
Sadly such a system doesn't seem to exist, towards video games anyway.
And the fact that you're questioning the appropriateness of Indigo Prophecy means you realise that it may be something you're not ready for yet.
LimpingFish, you are one of the smartest people I've ever met. You can tell that I have a meter of "How Appropriate?" Most of the people I talk to aren't that intelligent!
So, if you've played it, and say I shouldn't, I should probably take your word for it.
Do I sense sarcasm? :=
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sat 24/06/2006 00:58:51
Do I sense sarcasm?Ã, :=
Sarcasm? Everyone knows you're always right and we'll listen to you regardless of how absurd - er - I mean how little we can understand your reasoning. Anyone can trust a fish (if you know what I mean).
Ah, the bitterness of youth. :-*
Quote from: LimpingFish on Sat 24/06/2006 21:34:44
Ah, the bitterness of youth. :-*
Or the lack thereof.
Wow... For someone who begs of advice and knowledge, you sure aren't very grateful.
Several people answered your question perfectly, yet you choose to glaze over that and take a jab at people who were merely expressing their thoughts and opinions.
Honestly, I meant no offense to you or your parents. I'm sure you're a big boy and you know what's right for you. But hey, you gotta learn to expect some people aren't gonna think the same way as you and they're gonna have thoughts or opinions you don't agree with. You got your answer, anything extra isn't in your control and I really don't understand your un-constitued anger towards us. We helped, so say thank you.
14 or 15, I don't care how old you are.. But if you can't respect people trying to help you, you obviously aren't mature enough. Fortunately, for you, most people don't grasp that concept until their old and dying.
IMO, TheCheese posted just to see if our opinion was what he wanted to hear. To bad for him. ::)
IT'S NOT SARCASM! HOW COME WHENEVER I TRY TO BE NICE, PEOPLE SAY THAT I'M BEING SARCASTIC? I AM GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING I CAN FIND OUT! WHY CAN'T YOU JUST UNDERSTAND THAT?
because people are stupid and people tend to joke, don't take it all so seriously. I won't even bother to read the first page of the thread because I don't remember anymore.
Quote from: TheCheese33 on Mon 26/06/2006 16:10:53
IT'S NOT SARCASM! HOW COME WHENEVER I TRY TO BE NICE, PEOPLE SAY THAT I'M BEING SARCASTIC? I AM GRATEFUL FOR EVERYTHING I CAN FIND OUT! WHY CAN'T YOU JUST UNDERSTAND THAT?
was that sarcasm?
If you can't take an internet joke, you're not adult enough to play Indigo Prophecy.
And btw, caps is a no-no
Not to mention but if you're going to whine about the people in this thread, please remember to post it in this thread.
LOOUD NOISES!!!
(sorry Andail ;))
The nuances of sarcasm are lost through the textual medium. :'(
Wait...
Did that sound sarcastic?
TheCheese33, I wasn't offended at all. In fact, if I hadn't become so cynical and insecure about forum debates I could've just said "Oh, how nice. Thank you very much."
I made a mistake, not you, and I apologise :)
Stop being sarcastic.
>:(
Quote from: Becky on Mon 26/06/2006 16:39:43
If you can't take an internet joke, you're not adult enough to play Indigo Prophecy.
Amen to that.
I've thought about it, and decided that asking the community about wether it was appropriate or not was unacceptable. My parents are the only people who have the right to tell me that. That being said, I will decline from posting on this thread anymore, and will never dwell on it again. And that, my friends, is not being sarcastic.
Stop being sarcastic, all you fuckers! You're making the sarcasm in my posts appear normal!
Are you being sarcastic?
Well, what do you think? Do YOU think I'm being sarcastic? Huh? Do ya? DO YA?!!
that's a silly question. I can't answer that. I don't have a will of my own.
Sarcasm isn't even my favourite -asm word. >:(
That's not disgusting...
Quote from: LimpingFish on Tue 27/06/2006 20:52:35
Sarcasm isn't even my favourite -asm word.Ã, >:(
Are you talking about the programming language named Assembly or are you being sarcastic?
Quote from: skyfire1 on Tue 27/06/2006 23:02:18
Quote from: LimpingFish on Tue 27/06/2006 20:52:35
Sarcasm isn't even my favourite -asm word. >:(
Are you talking about the programming language named Assembly or are you being sarcastic?
Er.. lol :D
LimpingFish gets his hat and coat.
Really, is America that censored? Is that why you get naff watered down versions of our sitcoms?
I hate the sarcasm stuff too. Most of the time I can't tell if someone is serious or not.
Really? I couldn't tell. ::)
Sarcasm on the internet is a very bad idea IMO. It's impossible to determine someones voice tone.
Thank you.. That post was very original and informative.
As... was yours!
Unless you record what you're going to say and give a download link to the file. ;D