Intresting Theory C&C

[Moox]

I have been developing this theory for some time and need your oppinions on wether I should test/write/submit to a scientific journal.


I feel their is no such thing as a sence of touch, I call it a sence of heat. Things are either hot or cold. If two objects are perfectly identical in temperature there should be a numb effect. Objects also are either smooth or gritty, I feel this is because of heat also. Coarse objects have many indentations. Like a crater the walls of the indentation cast a shadow on the lowest point of the indentation. Darker (shadowed) areas absorb more heat, thus making it appear gritty. Smooth objects have less indentations. Current proof for my theory is the law that heat moves from hot to cold. I have found that if you hold something long enough you can barely feel it. Thats because your temperatures are nearly identical.

C&C welcome

[Haddas]

What about pain? I'm no expert at tese things, but doesn't it hurt if you touch something sharp? Not to the point it would inflict a wound. I don't think you burn yourself?

[Mr Jake]

pain is the 'spanner in your works'

[Moox]

hmm, I will have to considder pain... Give me some time to contemplate this

Edit: Perhaps its a combination of pressure and heat, pressure creates friction which creates movement which creates heat that is highly focused because of the size of the point and severly stimulates the nerves without being hot enough to burn the cell structure. I need to do more testing

[Mr Jake]

but surly pressure is the same as touch?

[Haddas]

Not really...

[Moox]

After much discussion in Irc I must concude their is a relation ship between heat and touch and it is called feel. There is no sense of touch or sense of heat but rather a sense of Feel

[stuh505]

LostTraveler,

You cannot make new advances in science without research or experimentation. 

so here is some reading for you:

"The dermis, called "true skin, " is the layer beneath the epidermis. Its major parts are collagen (a protein that adds strength), reticular fibers (thin protein fibers that add support), and elastic fibers (a protein that adds flexibility). The dermis has two layers: the papillary layer, which has loose connective tissue, and the reticular layer, which has dense connective tissue. These layers are so closely associated that they are difficult to differentiate.

The papillary layer lies directly beneath the epidermis and connects to it via papillae (finger-like projections). Some papillae contain capillaries that nourish the epidermis; others contain Meissner's corpuscles, sensory touch receptors. A double row of papillae in finger pads produces the ridged fingerprints on fingertips. Similar patterns in the ridged fingerprints on fingertips are on palms of the hands and soles of the feet. Fingerprints and footprints keep skin from tearing and aid in gripping objects.

The reticular layer of the dermis contains criss-crossing collagen fibers that form a strong elastic network. This network forms a pattern called cleavage (Langer's) lines. Surgical incisions that are made parallel to cleavage lines heal faster and with less scarring than those made perpendicular. Parallel incisions disrupt collagen fibers less and require less scar tissue (cells that aid in healing) to close up a wound.

The reticular layer also contains Pacinian corpuscles, sensory receptors for deep pressure. This layer contains sweat glands, lymph vessels, smooth muscle, and hair follicles, described in the discussion on hair follicles later in this overview."

"Receptors convertthe various kinds of energy they receive from the external and internal environments into electrical impulses. They are of many kinds and are classified in many ways. Steady-state receptors, for example, generate impulses as long as a particular state such as temperature remains constant. Changing-state receptors, on the other hand, respond to variation in the intensity or position of the stimulus. Receptors are also classified as exteroceptive (reporting the external environment), interoceptive (sampling the environment of the body itself), and proprioceptive (sensing the posture and movements of the body). Exteroceptors are used for looking, listening, smelling, tasting, touching, and feeling. Interoceptors report the state of the bladder, the alimentary canal, the blood pressure, and the osmotic pressure of the blood plasma. Proprioceptors report the position and movements of parts of the body and the position of the body in space.

Receptors are also classified according to the kinds of stimulus to which they are sensitive. Chemical receptors, or chemoreceptors, are sensitive to substances taken into the mouth (taste or gustatory receptors), inhaled through the nose (smell or olfactory receptors), or found in the body itself (detectors of glucose or of acidâ€"base balance in the blood). Receptors of the skin are classified as thermoreceptors, mechanoreceptors, and nociceptorsâ€"the last being sensitive to stimulation that is noxious, or likely to damage the tissues of the body.

Thermoreceptors of the skin are of two kinds, warmth and cold. Warmth fibers are excited by rising temperature and inhibited by falling temperature, and cold fibers respond in the opposite manner."

[Moox]

You cannot make new advances in science without research or experimentation.Ã, 

Not true at all, some of the greatest discoverys have been attributed to accident, such as gravity

[Evil]

Let me present you with this.

If you are at a bar, or where-ever ther is a lot of people, do you hear everyone talking? All of their conversations? You sort of drone them out right? Its the same with temperature.

Ever satten in frount of a fire and it was really hot and made your cheeks tense a bit? After a while your body adjusts to that change. Much like objects in your hand.

[Sylpher]

* Sylpher makes a vow to walk around with a large stick and smack people randomly and shortly after informing them. "I didn't 'hit' you. I mearly changed your temperature. Have a nice day!"

[Fuzzpilz]

Not true at all, some of the greatest discoverys have been attributed to accident, such as gravity

No. About the Law of Universal Gravitation, which I assume is what you mean (gravity itself is hardly a great discovery - "Wow, things FALL!!!11"): whatever actually happened with that apple - if there's anything to the story at all, it merely gave Newton the general idea. To work such an idea out in detail, to verify its plausibility, is quite a different matter - one that does in fact require a great deal of research, experimentation, and all that sort of delicious tomfoolery. Don't forget that Newton was among the very first to uncover some quite fundamental insights of physics and mathematics that seem obvious to us today - many of what we consider the basics simply weren't available then. This kind of thing was hard work. It certainly wasn't "An apple fell on my head! It all makes sense now! F = Gm1m2/r^2!"

It's the same with every other major discovery or invention. What about the steam engine? Maybe Denis Papin thought of it fairly soon while working on his pressure cooker, but it took many other people and several years, if not decades, before it became really workable.

By the way, do you see something that all these great inventors and whatnot had in common? They generally all tended to know their field fairly well. You can't seriously consider the way things work if you don't know the way other more fundamental things do. How can you understand what a lumberjack does if you've never heard of trees? How can you build a better mousetrap if you don't know anything about mice? And how can you seriously speculate about the way our senses work if you've done no research about their neurological basis?

[stuh505]

you do not seem familiar with the current evidence on skin receptors, yet you propose contradictory theories with no evidence...and you expect people who spend their lives researching this to throw their evidence out the window for your unfounded and illogical theory?  I'm sorry...perhaps this is a bit harsh, but modern scientific discoveries do not happen that way...