Right, my dad showed me this today, and I found it quite cool. Sorry if you have seen it before.
Go to the search engine GOOGLE (http://www.google.com) and type in 'google' backwards (or 'elgoog' for the less intelligent among us...)
Click 'I'm feeling lucky' and tell me what you find, dear chums.......
Hee hee hee. (http://www.alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/)
Or should that be eeh eeh eeH?
Hey
Try "Weapons of Mass Destruction" (I'm feeling lucky)
and "French Military Victories" (I'm feeling lucky)
You probably already know of these, but what the hell.
Enjoy.
Hugs
Iqu
Quote from: Iqu on Mon 07/07/2003 19:38:18
and "French Military Victories" (I'm feeling lucky)
Odd, that - doesn't even come up with the american revolution!
The French always end up as military toast, or so it seems from a search on the popular Google search engine. But a miffed Canadian student is actually behind a prank that says no documents are found in a Google search for "French military victories."
The search brings up a page that asks: "Did you mean 'french military defeats.'"
The French did win some wars. In fact, Google lists about 63,100 pages of French military victories.
But a Web page says no documents are found when searching for "French military victories" using Google's "I'm Feeling Lucky" button, which bypasses the list of search results and jumps directly to the first Web page in the list.
That happens to be a mock-up page of Google, suggesting a search for "french military defeats." The large Google logo at the top tends to distract Web surfers from the address in the Web browser: www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html.
:P
Pfft. I prefered my version.
Napoleon Bonaparte was french, he won some millitary victories.
So was Jeanne d'Arc (Joan of Ark).
I think it's really to bad that everyone picks on the french millitary just because they fell to the German War Machine.
C.
The voice of wisdom appears to think this was supposed to be a racist comment, so I edited it out myself.
this certainly has something to do with the average american's historical and cultural knowledge. this not being a cheap generalization, of course.
I would like to point out that almost EVERYONE on the European contenent fell to the German war Machine. Yufster, if you wish to make claims such as "they're all whimpering cowards" could you please state some facts, or I'll have to remove your post as a racist comment.
C.
prehaps she has falling to the great bush anti-french machine
Irish, in Ireland they pretend to talk politics but really they just redirect cash flows and tax intakes to their own bank accounts. I still don't know what we were suppose to have voted for in the Nice Treaty. I think we must have voted to let in Asylum Seekers until the country implodes.
Here's my theory: It's just a joke.
Everybody's always picked on the French. That's how we deal with them waving their private parts at our aunties and farting in our general direction.
Quote from: Yufster on Mon 07/07/2003 23:09:47
I still don't know what we were suppose to have voted for in the Nice Treaty.
biscuits
Gasp, you RACIST! Now, I must go and eat Frogsssss legsssssss and nibble my snails. Would you like a gulp of my wine?
Who are the French? I don't think I've ever heard of them.
dm
type in nrop backwards... ;D
Yeah, the French ares losers at wars!!!1!
And us Australians ride teh kangaroo to work everyday!!1!
And teh amerikans all rides bombs and teh is wear cowboy hats!!!11!
And teh irish all dress like a lepricon and says "top o teh morning to you!!!"
/me repeats endless list of stereotyped jokes written in highly amusing littlewilly style until eyeballs bleed!
Ahhhh, Google Bombing! The good old method for making jokes and making fun of things. If you typed in "go to hell" in google some time ago you would get links to AOL and Microsoft. Ahh, the old days...
wow!
Type in "andail entertainment" and press I'm feeling lucky!
It ares tres cool!
QuoteAnd teh irish all dress like a lepricon and says "top o teh morning to you!!!"
I would like to put you straight on that. They say, "Top o teh mornin' to you,
laddy." regardless of age or gender.
The french smell of fermented grapes.
If the simpsons has taught me anything (which it hasn't) it's that the french look like frogs, and put antifreeze in their wine.
I'll stick up for the French ... thanks for showing up at the end of our Revolutionary War after we had won! Thanks France!
Isn't it funny how if any American on these boards makes any comment that could be viewed as derogatory against another nation (even the French), others immediately cast derogatory comments on Americans?
[wine] "But you Americans started it!!" [/wine]
I'm sick of the hypocrisy in the world ...
And oh yeah, Google searching is fun!! Great discovery man!!
dm
I wonder why nobody makes fun of russia...they opposed the war, and their military history is almost as sorry as the french..plus, what has russia done for america? given us bond villians, and thats about it. France at least gave us the statue of liberty.
As I said, the French stereotype is just too easy to pick on. The Russians don't have as clear a stereotype and are generally too cool to pick on. But those French with their striped shirts, berets, and snooty dispositions, c'mon. As far as fun-making goes, France is the boy-band of cultures. :)
No offense meant, this post is more of a commentary on the nature of the jesting of the French rather than the French themselves.
Quote from: Yufster on Tue 08/07/2003 20:07:07
QuoteAnd teh irish all dress like a lepricon and says "top o teh morning to you!!!"
I would like to put you straight on that. They say, "Top o teh mornin' to you, laddy." regardless of age or gender.
And they still dress like leprichans, right?
That's what watching TV has taught me.
You know, I've also noticed that no one really had a problem with the French until this last year.
Could it be that a lot of people (some even non-American) got caught up in the whole French/Freedom thing, and now are just looking for things about the French to complain about.
And fucking Freedom Fries -- Whoever though of that little piece of political PR/spin/propaganda should be shot, because it's pitiful even for propaganda standards.
And people got sucked into it, which makes it even worse.
I make fun of countries worldwide, regardless of skin colour, eye colour or political position. And Tony Blair is a liar, a bad bad liar. And a bad public speaker. Just thought I'd say it (Turned on the TV, saw him)
I don't know what the deal with France is, but they are delightfully caricaturish peoples ;D ;D ;D
QuoteYou know, I've also noticed that no one really had a problem with the French until this last year.
Huh?
I remember hearing jokes about the french for my entire life. It's just been amplified in recent times.
(btw, I've been to France before, and they weren't all that nice to me. Maybe they don't like tourists, or something)
QuoteAnd they still dress like leprichans, right?
Yes, of course. But I'm only half-Irish, so I only wear the bright green top hat.
no, they like tourists. they generate lots of dough. my girlfriend is in france now. she sends my postcards about how nice they are to her. (and how the french cant drive, but thats something else.) they are also nice to her family, cause they buy stuff.
maybe they just hate you. :)
I can only hope.
Yeah, ribbing the French is a time-honored tradition. I agree the Freedom Fries thing was dumb, but now that it's mostly over with I think it's fun to use the term in an ironic way.
QuoteYeah, ribbing the French is a time-honored tradition. I agree the Freedom Fries thing was dumb, but now that it's mostly over with I think it's fun to use the term in an ironic way.
I agree with Trapezoid ... now, when around women, and I use a cuss word I say, "Excuse my Freedom."
The Freedom Fries thing was stupid.
[humor] But the French still suck.
[/humor]dm
what the HELL is the French Freedom Fries thing? ??? Did they not endorse chips or something?????
Quote from: Mr.Panda on Tue 08/07/2003 21:41:13
russia...they opposed the war, and their military history is almost as sorry as the french
You're so very right. Their military history, like winning the second world war - ever heard of Stalingrad? - is absolutely sorry, compared to the Bravery of Being Out of Range, which is a tactics employed only by valiant countries.
Quote..plus, what has russia done for america?
Considering that most great men of America were emigrants or children of emigrants, the question of "doing" and "giving" is slightly out of place, in my opinion.
Quote from: Bob the Hun on Wed 09/07/2003 01:45:23
QuoteYou know, I've also noticed that no one really had a problem with the French until this last year.
Huh?
I remember hearing jokes about the french for my entire life. It's just been amplified in recent times.
(btw, I've been to France before, and they weren't all that nice to me. Maybe they don't like tourists, or something)
But most of the jokes weren't that they suck at war.
Most of the jokes were that they don't wash and are really snooty to people (as you said, they don't like tourists).
But there have been many great things and people that come out of France.
Jacques-Yves Cousteau anyone?
Quote from: Mr.Panda on Tue 08/07/2003 21:41:13
I wonder why nobody makes fun of russia...they opposed the war, and their military history is almost as sorry as the french..
Please stop talking about things you don't know about.
Russia and France were the ones taking the really hard punches in the world war, and without either of them, we would have lost the war.
You see, despite of what you are taught nowadays, America was
not a super military power at this time. Right after the depression, USA had the tenth biggest army in the world, about the same size as Belgium's.
There are some facts - like the atomic bomb and the finishing off in Normandie - that have created some sort of illusion that it was all thank to USA the war was won.
I know that Bush said recently, as he listed all glorious victories of the american army during the history, that they liberated Europe. Among others.
Please try to be better than Bush.
I think some of you americans should be a bit more humble, considering what your military record mostly is about, without the propaganda bit.
WW1 - 9.5 million Russians dead.
WW2 - 20 million Russians dead
We beat the French before and we beaten the Germans before. USA tried to invade Russia after the civil war and even in our depleted state at the time we fought them off. My great grand fathers were all in the Army, most in the elite Gvardia (guardian) troops.One of them got shot dead on the day WW2 was over. We beaten the Turkish too, all with the sheer numbers. Russians fought in Vietnam. Get your facts straight Mr. Panda.
What's with all this pride in one's country's military heritage/record, anyway? Where's the justification for it? "My grandpa killed more people than your grandpa!" I don't mean to be rude or patronising, but I really don't see what's so good about that kind of thing, and why the generations that are alive today seem to think they can somehow take credit for it just by being descendants of contemporaries.
why exactly do you say "we", when you're referring to your country ? are you taking pride in those "victories" so much that you consider them your personal deeds ?
dg's mention of cousteau is kinda funny. in spite of his accomplishments, the guy was highly detestable.
i wonder who the most famous french people are.
edit- haha, sorry pilz.
Quotedg's mention of cousteau is kinda funny. in spite of his accomplishments...
But I'm talking about his accomplishments.
You see, I'm not really interested in whether he was detestable or not -- I don't really have any inkling to meet the man (Besides, he's dead).
But, his films are extraordinary!
It reminds me of people who call Yahtzee things like detestable -- despite people's personal opinions, he has made some great accomplishments, especially his games.
And I just don't understand why people can appreciate a great work of cinema/game/art/creative venture, despite personal standing of the creator.
It seems more like nitpicking than bringing up a valid argument.
As a side point, I can name numerous American filmmakers that are just as detestable -- But I still appreciate their work! :D
EDIT: While on the subject of nitpicking, do people look for minor things to "make fun of"/"argue over" because they feel insecure over being challenged on something?
I don't mean this to anyone in particular -- I mean this as a general comment on the grand scale of things in society.
Things like: Americans making fun of the French because they feel insecure of people accusing them of being war-like (In other words, using the French as a scapegoat).
Or French people getting defensive because they haven't had a strong military record (and let's face it, military accomplishments are a very masculine aspect of society and most of the leaders in the world are men, etc, etc, etc)
I'm not accusing Americans of being war-mongers or calling the French a bunch of pansies -- I merely use both as examples for a point.
And my point is: do people really feel so insecure that they have to argue with minor nitpicky commentary?
I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this.
I think we should all just accept that George Bush is always right and those countries most vocal in opposing him, such as France and Russia and Germany should stop speaking their wierd langauges and sign up to be states 51-53. I mean, the Russians can't even get their alphabet staright. The keep writing Ns and Rs backwards and stuff! And they kept spelling USSR as CCCP! Tchh!
Obviously we should all speak Spanish, as most of George Bush's relatives do and there are now more Hispanics in the US than Blacks, they will obviously soon take over the country and thereby run the world.
Hasta la dominacion del mundo!
plasticman - Mr.Panda's post have invocked feelings of national pride in me, something very rare. Lots of my relatives were in the Army you see. Many died. It's as much family pride as national pride I guess.
whoa. looks like I really fucked up my first post, cause it didnt seem to say what I wanted it to say at all.
I was not trying to shove US military might into all your faces, nor was I trying to diss anyone's family or nation.
Look, I thought the whole US-making-fun-of-france-cause the opposed the war-and lost some wars thing is retarded. I wondered to myself why, if thats what our nations leaders want to do, they didnt do the same for the other countries that opposed us. Germany, fought in both world wars (and did very well for the most part)..and still lost them both. Russia, while wining world war II, (and I might add, in a very brave manner, where they prob. should have lost, but kept fighting) but sustained massive deaths in not only that war, but every war they have fought since the late 1700's, with their minor wars in Iran, and then later, in losing the Russo-Japaneese war, one that they should have one, given their huge man advanatage and such. Why dont we call vodka liberty-juice or something? Go back to Liberty-steak for hamburgers? I'm being sarcastic here. Launching a nation-wide smear campaign b/c some other democratic nation decided to be democratic is stupid. Even the Big bad US got chased out of tiny somilia.
And look at the people who supported america? See an military giants among them? Im just trying to prove a point here. Most of these nations are eastern european countries were were overrun by both Natzi Germany and then the USSR. Or some third-world African nations that are in prepetual civil wars they cant end, and thousands and thousands more perish.
Its a horrible double standard. I guess I didnt do a good job showing that. Sorry to those I offended.
I think Human Nature leads
ALL man into war inevitably. It's naive in an extreme to think that human kind has evolved an 'enlightened' sense of themselves that would steer us away from war. It's what we do, it's in our genetic make up.
It's like women getting mad at men because we're all 'pigs' ... this has never made sense to me! They think we're pigs 'cause we think about sex a lot
NewsFlash: it's
always been this way ... so why is this wrong? War is a part of life ... it has been from the start of human kind on this planet and will be until we destroy ourselves.
Human Nature is survival of the fittest. It would be nice if we could get past this is and the world would be a Utopia ... but do any of you really think that would work? Human Nature leads mankind into war. The world, though they don't have to like this, should just realize that this is the case and it's not going to change.
And on another subject: ALL human kind are genetically
very similar. We're all the same ... all these petty bullshit statements "Americans are war-mongers", "The French stink", or "Australians throw shrimp on the barbee" are, in the end, rediculous. If all nations were of the same prosperity level I think you'd find all human kind acting the same and having the same problems. People bitch that Americans don't take responsibility for their own actions (like these fat kids sewing McDonalds 'cause they're fat) ... but I guarantee you that if other nations had the same society level that America does they'd be doing the same things. It's all in human nature.
Andail:
QuoteYou see, despite of what you are taught nowadays, America was not a super military power at this time. Right after the depression, USA had the tenth biggest army in the world, about the same size as Belgium's.
By the time America was mobilized for the war (just months after Pearl Harbor) we had passed Great Britain in Naval power (despite our losses at Pearl) and had one of the largest standing armies. The sleeping giant had indeed been awoken. Not everything in the history books is wrong you know?
DGM:
QuoteAnd my point is: do people really feel so insecure that they have to argue with minor nitpicky commentary?
I don't know that I would call it insecurity exactly. I mean, if you insult me personally I would prolly just laugh it off (given our colorful past now) but if you insult my nation I feel obliged to defend it. I guess in the end (as I stated above) it's all rediculous because, despite cultural differences, all mankind are inherently the same. And I'll be the first to admit that America has problems, but I still love my nation and would die to defend it and the ideals we live for.
This is all a pointless debate though because the world is one big boiling cesspool that is quickly headed to Armageddon and in 2000 years when somebody stumbles across an old computer and reads this post they're going to say, "That Darth Mandarb guy was a prophet!" I'm going to be the next (whack-job) Nostradamus!!!
dm
i see what you mean, femme fatale. but it annoys me when people feel the need to brag about the exploits of their country, or take offense when it is criticized.
dg, i don't disagree with what you said about cousteau, i was just surprised that you would think of him first (and not because he was detestable). damn, i couldn't even name a famous australian besides crocodile dundee and nicole kidman.
i don't know about the subject of nitpicking, i think people do that when they have nothing else to communicate. it seems that the less you know about something or someone, the more you need to criticize it...
DM: I'm interested -- how come you're more likely to defend an insult against your country as opposed to an insult against yourself?
To you, what makes your country more important than yourself as an individual?
plasticman: sorry, I misunderstood.
As for my choosing of him, I just picked the first name that popped into my head.
Being a fan of filmmakers, I just thought of him.
Sure, I could have picked Godard or someone else, but Cousteau's name just hung there.
Quote from: plasticman on Wed 09/07/2003 15:54:07
damn, i couldn't even name a famous australian besides crocodile dundee and nicole kidman.
I don't know about famous -- just because someone is famous, doesn't always follow that they contribute something that's very awe-inspiring or beneficial.
But there are a few Australians that pop into mind.
Fred Hollows, for example.
Quote
it seems that the less you know about something or someone, the more you need to criticize it...
I like this.
I'm going to write it down right now and post it on my wall.
Thank you, plasticman.
i didn't know fred hollows, i'm uncultured like that. but thanks to that i just found a web page with a big list of famous australians, so i'll fill the gap.
and i'm glad i could contribute to the decoration of your room.
Dammit! I typed up this long ass reply and the server crashed or something ... It didn't post. here's the second version:
Quote
DM: I'm interested -- how come you're more likely to defend an insult against your country as opposed to an insult against yourself?
To you, what makes your country more important than yourself as an individual?
People on these forums don't know me personally ... so if they cast personal insults against me I tend to just laugh it off. There are times when an insult (even from somebody I don't know) can hit close to the mark and I might defend myself. I guess I just think casting personal insults isn't the right thing to do (and yes, I know I've done it from time to time ... sometimes my temper gets the best of me).
I truely believe that duty to one's country superscedes concern for the individual. I want my kids (assuming I have some one day) to have the same lifestyle/opportunities that I had and I will do whatever is needed to insure that for them by keeping my country the way it is. Even if it's detrimental to my own well being. Yes, there are things in America that need fixing and aren't 'good' by modern standards ... but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world.
[humor]Especially France
[/humor]So, because of that, I feel a strong desire to defend my country from insult or attack.
Cheers,
dm
Tracking conversations is fascinating.
Other than that, I have no real comment to add, most of the things I know have been said, and people obviously know a lot more than me on these subjects. Sorry. But I just think it's awe-inspiring how the human mind can transcend from one conversation to another with little to no prompting.
Carry on, it's all very interesting.
I agrre with Flippy, my little discovery on Google has turned into a discussion on Racism & Patriotism. Fasinating, really.
Carry on...
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Wed 09/07/2003 19:04:55
Dammit! I typed up this long ass reply and the server crashed or something ... It didn't post. here's the second version:
Quote
DM: I'm interested -- how come you're more likely to defend an insult against your country as opposed to an insult against yourself?
To you, what makes your country more important than yourself as an individual?
People on these forums don't know me personally ... so if they cast personal insults against me I tend to just laugh it off. There are times when an insult (even from somebody I don't know) can hit close to the mark and I might defend myself. I guess I just think casting personal insults isn't the right thing to do (and yes, I know I've done it from time to time ... sometimes my temper gets the best of me).
I truely believe that duty to one's country superscedes concern for the individual. I want my kids (assuming I have some one day) to have the same lifestyle/opportunities that I had and I will do whatever is needed to insure that for them by keeping my country the way it is. Even if it's detrimental to my own well being. Yes, there are things in America that need fixing and aren't 'good' by modern standards ... but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else in the world. [humor]Especially France[/humor]
So, because of that, I feel a strong desire to defend my country from insult or attack.
Cheers,
dm
I didn't undertsand from your reply what made country more important than the individual.
Just to verify -- Is it because you want to have kids one day and thus the desire to defend your country more so than yourself is based upon your future offspring?
If so, how come you state that there are things that need fixing even though in the previous sentance you say that you want to keep you country just the way it is for your kids?
I'm not trying to make any point here -- just trying to understand, despite whether I agree or not.
I guess if I had to give a short answer (thus less confusing) I would just say: I love America and that's why I defend it.
As far as the "same as it is" confusion. I meant to say "same as it was". There are things that need to change, yes, but these things wouldn't keep me from having kids. They're things I don't really think there's much that can be done about. Such as racism, the double-standards, and the stupidity ... these are all symptons of ignorance and there just isn't a cure for that.
dm
QuoteI guess if I had to give a short answer (thus less confusing) I would just say: I love America and that's why I defend it.
And what makes you love America more than loving who you are as a human being?
See, I probably will never understand this.
I believe in myself as an individual more so than my country because I believe my individuality can provide me with a greater understanding of the nature of things more so than my country can.
My country lies to me -- like any other western, political propaganda-based country.
They don't really care about me or speak for me -- all they're interested in is getting my vote.
Meanwhile, I feel I'm honest with myself -- And I have great confidence in myself and my ability.
And that is why I'll probably never understand why people place their country above themselves.
I don't love the American government more than myself ... I love my country. I love the land, the people, and our way of life. I believe in America.
Fuck the government ... I hate politics and all the bullshit that goes with it. I'm talking Rocky Mountains, the Plains, the sawgrass in the Florida Everglades, the bald eagle and the grizzly bear. Seeing the red white and blue flying in somebody's front yard ... seeing a nation divided come together and truely unite after sept. 11 (even if it was short lived)
The night after the attacks was Karoake night at our local pub. We were all up there and people were really somber and down ... one guy got up there and sang our National Anthem and everybody in that pub was on their feet, tears on their cheeks, singing at the top of their lungs. Those are the Americans I love and would defend with my life.
That's the America I love.
dm
There was something I was going to write here, but I don't feel the need to now.
Besides, we're really just going around in circles and repeating ourselves.
I'll probably never be able to get the answer to the question I'm asking here.
It's probably too difficult a question to ask.
I think all countries are full of shit, and the only good thing about them is the landscapes. I don't like American people, French people, ANY people, I like individuals and it shouldn't matter where they're from. I don't like countries on a whole because they've been proven to be hypocritical and cruel. The Americans and English have been absolutely ghastly over this war in iraq, Tony Blair lied about all sorts of shit and the americans made a pigging mess in Iraq, but that doesn't represent the view of the people. Most of whom apparently think they're fucking wonderful and god is on their side. I couldn't believe it when Bush Retardio JR came out with "God is on our side". Because that's just primitive.
Not to focus too much on america, but I only like individuals, not countries, nations or anything the fuck else. And pride in your nation is only worth anything if you're getting paid for it.
My few eurocents worth of "wisdom": have you all noticed how people tend to get dumber if they operate in bigger groups?
When two people get together, it can be like magic - great ideas flying about the place, loving each other, etc. Then when you look at a larger scale, say a group of people that call themselves a "nation", "country" or "religion" they tend to treat each other as spoilt little kids ("that's my oil!", "you look stupid","you shouldn't eat creatures with more than three legs!"). They don't actually say it like that - just cover everything in ubercomplicated political b*llshit - but it IS how they act. And if you look at humanity as a whole: that's just like this enormous, mindless, amoebal blob that covers the planet. We know we're killing other creatures and our own habitat by the bucketload, but we just seem unable to act in a reasonable way.
Funny eh? or rather, not so funny ... :(
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Thu 10/07/2003 02:32:22
The night after the attacks was Karoake night at our local pub. We were all up there and people were really somber and down ... one guy got up there and sang our National Anthem and everybody in that pub was on their feet, tears on their cheeks, singing at the top of their lungs. Those are the Americans I love and would defend with my life.
That's the America I love.
dm
I think people on this forum are a bit too blasé to become touched by that...we've seen it a million times in cheap american heroic movies...it just doesn't do it...
In my eyes, nothing is worth dying for except possibly some family member or g/f or something...no bloody nation...
Quote from: Andail on Thu 10/07/2003 13:40:38
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Thu 10/07/2003 02:32:22
The night after the attacks was Karoake night at our local pub. We were all up there and people were really somber and down ... one guy got up there and sang our National Anthem and everybody in that pub was on their feet, tears on their cheeks, singing at the top of their lungs. Those are the Americans I love and would defend with my life.
That's the America I love.
dm
I think people on this forum are a bit too blasé to become touched by that...we've seen it a million times in cheap american heroic movies...it just doesn't do it...
In my eyes, nothing is worth dying for except possibly some family member or g/f or something...no bloody nation...
Andail, I think you are (partly) right - most of the people here are too blase. But if DM was touched by that situation, then he was touched. Nothing more or less. After all, being touched by something is not a conviction, it's an emotion.
And I agree that very, very few things are worth dying for. Especially things ending in "ion" and "ism" are never worth dying for.
"If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is poontang."
- Animal Mother from Full Metal Jacket
QuoteI think people on this forum are a bit too blasé to become touched by that...we've seen it a million times in cheap american heroic movies...it just doesn't do it...
In my eyes, nothing is worth dying for except possibly some family member or g/f or something...no bloody nation...
'Cheap American heroic movies' aren't real. The emotion in that bar that night was
real and no movie comes close to touching on it. Not even close.
I think it's really sad that so many people on these forums are 'blasé' and don't believe in anything but themselves.
dm
I dont think i love my country itself enough to die for it. There are certain ideals that my nation, along with all demoractic nations, hold that I think are so important that if for some reason my fighting and death would somehow perpetuate those ideals then I would do it. America is nice and all, but some of it sucks. If lets say, we had a new leader that wanted to abolish voting and religous and press freedom, and there was a movement to go and kick his butt, I'd go sign up for that. I think the Bill of rights is way more important then that flag.
I admit, that if there was a draft now, I'd prob. leave the country and live somewhere else, and experiance the same democractic freeedoms that I have here. You can vote and write whatever you want in England. or in lots of other countries. Democracy isnt limited to America, and in the long run, I care more about that then this place.
QuoteI think it's really sad that so many people on these forums are 'blasé' and don't believe in anything but themselves.
That not true.
I can believe in many things other than myself.
I believe in family.
I believe in my friends.
I especially believe in my girlfriend and everything she's achieved.
But I don't feel a need to get misty-eyed when the fireworks shoot off on Australia Day.
And, though I feel regret, I don't feel an overwhelming sensation to kick some terrorist ass when other Australians get hurt in a bombing, such as the one in Bali.
It would only matter personally if someone I knew was involved.
And even then, I wouldn't go out for revenge.
I'd face my sadness and carry on.
My life is too short to be worried about 'enemies'.
You may think that's nuts -- but then again, to each their own.
But I believe in other things besides myself.
And I think a lot of other people here do to.
MrPanda, I respect you a whole lot more after that post...
Mr Darth, on the other hand...
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on Thu 10/07/2003 14:11:23
'Cheap American heroic movies' aren't real. The emotion in that bar that night was real and no movie comes close to touching on it. Not even close.
I think it's really sad that so many people on these forums are 'blasé' and don't believe in anything but themselves.
dm
"Don't believe in anything but themselves?" Shut up!
Do you think you know jack shit about what I care about or not?
If you have nothing else to contribute to this community with except for cheap platitudes and ungrounded insults, I suggest you take a break or something
QuoteIf you have nothing else to contribute to this community with except for cheap platitudes and ungrounded insults, I suggest you take a break or something
Andail - If you got that irritated over something I said, perhaps you need the break? Calm down fella!! But I like the 'cheap platitudes and undergrounded insults' ... good word usage. What I said/typed was neither, but good word usage none-the-less.
ALLMy statement was '...don't
believe in anything but themselves.' I didn't say anything about 'caring' ... so if anybody else was confused by my simple statement I apologize. I hope this helped to clarify.
dm
EDIT - DGM - I don't think you're nuts for feeling the way you do. I guess I just don't understand it the way you don't understand my feelings on the matter. So it balances out.
/EDIT
All right, if that made you so impressed, here are some more examples of good word-usage:
This whole "sacrificing my life to my nation" has this fanatic tone to it.
The terrorists of al-quaida also are prepared to sacrifice their lives for a couple of wholy books and some sort of nation-concept.
Do you find it reasonable to think that you can be of more use to your nation while dead rather than alive? You're pulling the same bitter-sweet sentimental speeches as Bush.
Skip the propaganda part. This community isn't impressed by it.
And yes, most of us believe in hundreds of good things, but american hyper-patriotism isn't one of them.
Edit: Just saw your pixel-art collection of american GI-Joes or whatnot. You're the one needing a break, trust me.
Geez, you're 27 for crying out loud.
Terrorists sacrifice their lives for offense, patriots tend to sacrifice their lives in defense. That's the difference I see, anyway. If one person is willing to die "for his country", it's useless. But if many are, then I suppose it's heroic. I certainly don't think it's selfish, just a little vague. It probably means that "if I were in a war, and had to put my life at risk just so, as part of a larger effort, future deaths could be prevented, then I would." I'm not sure what it has to do with America, but that's how patriots express it. It's an admirable sentiment that just sounds suspiciously jingoish.
Pride in my country + Nostalgia for GIJoe + My being 27 = Me needing to take a break.
Well, that doesn't make sense.
Well everybody ... I guess you won't be hearing from me on these boards for awhile 'cause I obviously need a break.
I thought the 'Critics Lounge' was for creativity and artisitic development and this board is for 'General Discussion' and expressing opinions.
I guess I don't get why pixel art for G I Joe is wrong? Nor expressing my views/feelings.
By the way, I still love Google searching.
dm
Even I know that the GI Joe thing is probably more of a result of being an 80s child than anything else. And I've never watched it.
trap, I think we were 3 or 4 when that show was in its hey-day
Yeah, but I hang around an internet dominated by 20-somethings. If it was popular in the 80s, it's online nostalgia in the 00s.
I liked He-Man, The Smurfs, Scooby Doo, and Samurai Pizza Cats!
I saw the pizza cats once! didnt they all shoot out of a cannon to fight the bad guys? it was kinda dumb..yet, amusing.
I liked the ninja turtles. and Sonic the hedgehog
I just laugh at the fact that the leader of the bad guys in SPC was a transvestite and the American producers did nothing to hide it.
Hands up who was in love with Smurfette?
Nah, I actually dug Velma from Scooby Doo.
Those glasses, man -- whew, I'm sweaty!
I had such a thing for Lady Jaye ... damn Flint for taking her off the market!
dm