The P3N1S award????????????

[Da_Elf]

personally i tip my hat to AGDI since i would never have known anything about AGS or this forum without then seeing as i was doing a nostalgic search on kings quest and came across their site then after that this site. as for al emmo it was definately not a p3n1s type material. i thought the voice acting wasnt too bad and the backgrounds were typical of their work (meaning its great) sure i had problems with the animation seeing as how im a 3d animator (i did try to get on the team to do the cut scenes but i was too late to submit an application) i never did finish the demo though since i am way too busy with my film to finish anything (i still work on asterix though even though i havent recently since im pretty busy with work at the moment but ill be getting back to it)(damn i put alot of stuff in brackets. guess its just because my grammer sucks(not that ive ever cared))

[SSH]

I'd like to move on from the Al Emmo issue on to a more general debate as to the future of the award. I don't think we're going to get any further defending or bashing Al/Himalaya/DaveG/URMOM any more, so lets consider the future:

The "Bobbit" option: Get rid of the P3N1S

1. People are offended by their games being nominated sometimes
2. It means rubbish games get listed on the games page as having awards
3. It might encourage people to make deliberately bad games, and that needs no encouragement
4. It perhaps lowers the prestige of the other AGS Awards

The Chastity Belt option: Leave the P3N1S alone

1. There's no such thing as bad publicity, so this debate simply serves to raise the profile of the awards (although I know that AdventureGamers deliberately refrained from commenting on this issue in a news item or such, being above such tabloid sensationalism)
2. It's just a laugh and demonstrates the fun nature of the whole awards

The cold shower option: Make it smaller
1. Only allow joke games
2. Or have a committee decide it

The Viagra option: make it bigger
1. Have a joke games awards AND a worst proper game award

The Sapphic option: have a strap-on one
1. Split the booby prize off as a separate award, like the razzies...

[Rui 'Trovatore' Pires]

Are we voting, then? I vote for the chastity belt, really - it's just a laugh, we're all in this for fun, we're just members of a gaming community, we're not official, we're not professionals, we just look for what we consider good games, and thankfully there's pretty much all sorts in this community so we actually have a hugely diversified database of games.

[Nikolas]

I also vote for the Chastity belt option.

If there was 2 prizes (viagra) for worst games and joke games, the Al Emmo would probably be in the worst game nominations, so nothing earned... (I still think that Al Emmo is not a "bad" game, especially compaired to other games here, but the nominations were mean spirited... I say this, just to explain the above comment).

Making it only for joke games, would remove the ability to actually give proper feedback, even through the way of an award, to someone who is maybe trying, or not trying, or should stop making silly joke games and so on...

We need an award for worst/p3n1s game so it makes sense...

Leave it as is.

Just let's clarify why we are voting exactly and why we should vote... (Not to mention that after all the awards are publicly voted, and well... when the public speaks we have to listen. )

In all the above post "we" is used in the most lovingly manner, Anyone who would like to exclude himself from the "we" I mention, it goes without saying that he already is excluded. I do speak for myself and nobody else. I'm just making a suggestion to what I think is right.

[GarageGothic]

I think the best solution would probably be to change it from "Worst game" to "Best joke game" and maybe change the name in the process. When looking at the awards from previous years, the only game I see nominated which isn't a joke game is Flashbax - an otherwise excellent game which just grossed some people out. All the others have been produced exclusively to be crappy and vulgar for a cheap laugh.

There's really no reason for a booby price if it's given to games that are intentionally bad anyway. Instead of lowering the prestige of the awards it could then be just another catagory in the real awards. The only "danger" I see (meaning a big, maybe too big, change to the concept) is that well designed parody games such as Sven Gordan would run off with the awards due to being listed in the joke games category along with the usual nonsense joke games.

Edit: I guess this is "The cold shower option", though I dislike the idea of a committee.

Edit 2: Have the FOREGOs been dropped entirely? If so, should we really keep the P3N1S award? Even though it has to do with game making, I always saw it more along the line of the community based FOREGOs than the engine based AGS Awards.

[Mac]

We need an award for worst p3n1s

Well maybe, but it might not be fair for the female users.

[Afflict]

Nah AH!

Thats why well have a boobie prize

[big brother]

I'd vote for the chastity option also. I don't see why we should be so quick to change historical elements of the AGS community to make it more palatable to newcomers. It's a niche community, and esoteric in nature to begin with. If this were a general game development forum, I would agree with censuring the award to appeal to mainstream sensibilities.

[Blackthorne]

Cold Shower option seems to be the best.  I think the award, historically, has been tongue in cheek - but it may need a committee to decide what is having fun and what is just rancor.


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[Dave Gilbert]

I agree with Blackthorne.  A pseudo cold shower might be best.  Let the community nominate as per usual, but have a committee step in if a nomination is obviously mean-spirted. 

[esper]

So, a chastity shower. I second that.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

I say get rid of it, but having a committee (and then of course it would need to be a committee of reasonable, responsible people who actually play the games) make the decision is the next best thing.