The Revelation of St. John the Divine

Mad-Hatter · Tue 01/08/2006 01:22:02

seeing as to how this forum is extremely active, and the members often have differentiating religious opinions, I would like to discuss my favorite book of the New Testament: Revelation

Or rather, the visions John saw within it.

What interests me most is the four horsemen (the first four scrolls), a conquerer, a troublemaker, a plague-bringer, and a death-summoner.

Genises says that the Earth was created in 6 days, and God rested on the 7th. However, it's scientifically proven that the Earth took millions of years to create.

So, if millions of years is simply 6 days for God, then when John says that his visions happen over a period of 7 years, who's to say that he doesn't mean that it's a chain of events that were set into place since the Earth's very creation?

Back to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
If the Earth has been doomed since the beginning, there should obviously be historical moments that fit the signs John describes.
As such, the four horsemen could be four historical figures who everyone knows and recognizes for their achievements.

For example: The first horsemen could have been Napolean.

Revelation says that the first horsemen is a conqueror, and that he rode a white horse, and that he conquers a vast majority of the lands around him, he carries a bow, and given to him was a crown.

Napolean was a conqueror who rode a white horse, who conquered most of Europe, and took the crown from the Pope. The bow could be symbolic of long-range weaponry, as Napolean was known to create wars between nations without ever getting France involved.

The second horsemen is conflict on Earth. A red horse whose rider causes nations to fight with one another and carries a mighty sword.

Hitler started the second World War, the Nazi symbol is red and looks a bit like a horse to me... And the sword may represent political strength, which he had.
Of course, I'm not so sure about that one, but still....

I would like to know your opinions on the book of Revelation, and any ideas you may have as to the many things John sees.

scotch · Tue 01/08/2006 01:50:41

Woah Mr Hatter, just how much mercurous nitrate have you been exposed to?

Domino · Tue 01/08/2006 02:05:03

General Discussion has become Religious Discussion. How many threads do we need to discuss Religion?

I think i'll head off to Adventure Related Chat for the time being.

Gregjazz · Tue 01/08/2006 04:03:04

Quote from: Mad-Hatter on Tue 01/08/2006 01:22:02
However, it's scientifically proven that the Earth took millions of years to create.

I'm sorry, I just can't get over this statement...

That's just like saying it's scientifically proven that man came from monkey.

MrColossal · Tue 01/08/2006 04:26:30

in response to Geoff, once again I want to pimp this though it is less relevant...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg&search=ken%20miller

Evolution and how it works backed up with scientific reasoning.

however more on topic slightly is this:

http://badpsychics.com/thefraudfiles/modules/news/article.php?storyid=122

if you scan forward to 52:42, I believe it is Paul Willis that has some interesting things to say about the creation of moutains and gorges and such backed up with scientific reasoning.

Hooray science!

Mad-Hatter · Tue 01/08/2006 04:36:51

-_-"

I withdraw my statements.
They're ill-researched and apparently a bit... radical, I guess.

I think I'll just stick with the bad jokes topic. ^_^ I'll find enlightenment there, I'm sure!

MrColossal · Tue 01/08/2006 04:44:13

I wouldn't say they're radical... Just they mean little. To me at least.

I could go through the bible and find ways to equate the 4 horsemen to the Marx Brothers. What's more interesting to me is doing the math on 7 days = 13.7 billion years, how many years is 1 day to the christian god?

As far as the book of revelations goes, I read it a while ago because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. It wasn't that interesting. Lovecraft proves to be better, as always!

Helm · Tue 01/08/2006 05:14:36

Not if nobody goes insane at the end.

Steel Drummer · Tue 01/08/2006 05:43:14

Quote from: Mad-Hatter on Tue 01/08/2006 01:22:02

seeing as to how this forum is extremely active, and the members often have differentiating religious opinions, I would like to discuss my favorite book of the New Testament: Revelation

Or rather, the visions John saw within it.

What interests me most is the four horsemen (the first four scrolls), a conquerer, a troublemaker, a plague-bringer, and a death-summoner.

Genises says that the Earth was created in 6 days, and God rested on the 7th. However, it's scientifically proven that the Earth took millions of years to create.

So, if millions of years is simply 6 days for God, then when John says that his visions happen over a period of 7 years, who's to say that he doesn't mean that it's a chain of events that were set into place since the Earth's very creation?

Back to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
If the Earth has been doomed since the beginning, there should obviously be historical moments that fit the signs John describes.
As such, the four horsemen could be four historical figures who everyone knows and recognizes for their achievements.

For example: The first horsemen could have been Napolean.

Revelation says that the first horsemen is a conqueror, and that he rode a white horse, and that he conquers a vast majority of the lands around him, he carries a bow, and given to him was a crown.

Napolean was a conqueror who rode a white horse, who conquered most of Europe, and took the crown from the Pope. The bow could be symbolic of long-range weaponry, as Napolean was known to create wars between nations without ever getting France involved.

The second horsemen is conflict on Earth. A red horse whose rider causes nations to fight with one another and carries a mighty sword.

Hitler started the second World War, the Nazi symbol is red and looks a bit like a horse to me... And the sword may represent political strength, which he had.
Of course, I'm not so sure about that one, but still....

I would like to know your opinions on the book of Revelation, and any ideas you may have as to the many things John sees.

interesting ideas.. However, John isn't God, so he wouldn't follow 'God-time' (ie: counting all time since creation as 7 years).

Nacho · Tue 01/08/2006 07:13:53

But Eric, fossiles and other evidences of the evolution were put there by the devil for making infidels.

With that links you make baby Jesus cry... :'(

Hammerite · Tue 01/08/2006 07:41:24

I think John's a timelord.

Nikolas · Tue 01/08/2006 07:47:51

Quote from: Mad-Hatter on Tue 01/08/2006 01:22:02
I would like to know your opinions on the book of Revelation, and any ideas you may have as to the many things John sees.

Could you provide a link or something? Maybe even in amazon.com to just take a peek of the first 10 pages or so...

Hammerite · Tue 01/08/2006 07:59:25

it might have something to do with LSD cuz thats the one with all the weird crap i do believe.

SSH · Tue 01/08/2006 10:15:53

If you add up the values of all the letters in "Adventure Game Studio" you get 224. Multiply this by the number of Technical Forums and you get 672. Subtract the number of global moderators and you get 666!

Hammerite · Tue 01/08/2006 11:29:34

OMG

Huw Dawson · Tue 01/08/2006 12:52:09

O_o

That is all.
- Huw

EDIT: Sorry, my pride dictates I make a longer post. This guy was starting a discussion, and it seems that it's got a little bit crazy... Go drink some fluids and rehydrate your brains people, your halucinating.