"Where's Peder Johnsen? And foremost his AGSArchives forum section?" some of you may think. Well, I cannot tell you, I only asked Peder and first he didn't know what I was talking about. Sad in a way, he's always been very kind to me, and a lifetime-awarded legend here.
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AGSArchives is still up for now (https://www.agsarchives.com/), but it's officially defunct, as is the accompanying forum section. Peder gave everybody plenty of warning about shutting it down in the time leading up to him doing so, so there's not much of a mystery there.
He also stopped publishing MAGSAN, and gave his reasons in this post:
Quote from: Peder 🚀 on Mon 06/08/2018 20:45:01
Thanks all,
Quote from: Danvzare on Thu 02/08/2018 12:31:05
May I ask why you're ending it?
Yes you may :), I'm just re-prioritizing the things I want to do in my free time as there's just too much all at once, MAGSAN unfortunately fell too far down the list to make it.
But why closing down AGSA section while AGSA is still live? There could have been announcements on relocation etc.
But as always, the typical answering scheme of AGS Deep State. Answer in oh-so-well reasonable words but actually not to the question. Happens every time. What's next, moving this to the Rumpus Room?
Removing the AGSA part of the forum without discussing it with Peder is unjust. Peder contributed to AGS in many ways, this should not be forgotten.
I can't imagine the mods deleting the section without discussing things with Peder first...?
Given that the AGS Archives are shutting down, isn't it much more reasonable to assume that he himself asked for the forum section to be removed...?
MY WEAPONS ARE READY AND I AM PREPARED TO DEFEND THE HONOUR OF THE PEDER! (http://ags.pics/goTW.png)
Quote from: Khris on Tue 23/10/2018 21:03:19
without discussing things with Peder first...?
The first I heard of it was from a sal tell on #clubgalen irc from bici saying it was gone..
I don't remember having any conversations with any mods about having it removed :confused:
Second time the mods have been called out this month. If you care about the community cover yourself in ash, else you will ruin this place. If you don't care then leave so someone who does can step up.
This sounds like the work of someone having a bit of a tidy up and not thinking straight. I doubt it was at all malicious. At the very least mods should discuss this kind of thing with each other (in which case they no doubt would have concluded it's better to give Peder the heads-up after all).
Quote from: Peder 🚀 on Tue 23/10/2018 21:24:23
The first I heard of it was from a sal tell on #clubgalen irc from bici saying it was gone..
I don't remember having any conversations with any mods about having it removed :confused:
To be perfectly honest, I don't personally have any knowledge of how the situation played out, or whether or not any discussions took place.
Regardless, the fact that you only learned it was gone through #irc, and weren't PMing AGA as soon as it disappeared, gives credence to the fact that you seemed to be done with it, as you seemed to be done with AGSArchives itself. It's been over a year since you announced the closure of AGSArchives, so why has this only become a thing now?
Quote from: "Amélie" on Tue 23/10/2018 19:21:38
But why closing down AGSA section while AGSA is still live? There could have been announcements on relocation etc.
Any such discussions could have been held in a thread in here, and hardly require their own sub-section of the forums. Leaving an otherwise defunct section of the forums open on the off-chance something might
eventually be posted, means another board to moderate. And as I said, it's been a over a year since the AGSArchives closed, without any public discussions or announcements taking place. So...
Quote from: "Amélie" on Tue 23/10/2018 19:21:38
But as always, the typical answering scheme of AGS Deep State.
Oh, please.
Quote from: Stupot on Tue 23/10/2018 21:45:55
This sounds like the work of someone having a bit of a tidy up and not thinking straight. I doubt it was at all malicious.
I can guarantee it wasn't malicious. And I feel pretty secure in saying that no moderator had any hand in Peder's decision to shutter AGSArchives, or stop publishing MAGSAN, or any other decision regarding his future involvement with any AGS-related projects.
The only relevant portion of this discussion, despite how some people are trying to play this thread, is the
possible misplacing of a forum board.
I'm sure we'll have an answer soon.
Quote from: LimpingFish on Tue 23/10/2018 22:28:17
And as I said, it's been a over a year since the AGSArchives closed, without any public discussions or announcements taking place. So...
A correction here, AGS Archives is still running. I take no responsibility for them considering shutting down right after mirroring one of my games.
Quote from: Jack on Tue 23/10/2018 22:47:43
A correction here, AGS Archives is still running.
Yes, it's still accessible, but as the last update says:
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AGS Archives is shutting down, if you've relied on your game being hosted on AGSA it is important that you download your games and find another place to host them!
I will no longer update the database with new games effective immediately and the service will go offline at the end of the year or when the current library is fully available on archive.org, whichever comes first.
So, dead but not yet buried.
Yeah, close the board so you don't have to moderate it. It's teeming with activity and it is so much work.
I have no idea where the board went, there was no AGS Deep State discussion and decision about it, but it is back again. I suggest that everyone calms down now.
Quote from: Jim Reed on Tue 23/10/2018 21:34:16
Second time the mods have been called out this month. If you care about the community cover yourself in ash, else you will ruin this place. If you don't care then leave so someone who does can step up.
How have the moderators been called out, and what wrongdoings would have been the cause?
Quote from: "Amélie" on Tue 23/10/2018 19:21:38
But as always, the typical answering scheme of AGS Deep State. Answer in oh-so-well reasonable words but actually not to the question. Happens every time. What's next, moving this to the Rumpus Room?
This consparitorial theme baffles me. What is it that you're so dissatisfied with?
Maybe AGA disabled the AGSA forum because he believed it to be defunct and no longer needed. Maybe there was an accident involved. We moderators don't know yet.
That doesn't mean it's okay to spread this kind of negativity. Remember the group hug thread, guys? Please try to be reasonable and constructive, and give everyone the benefit of the doubt before we know what happened.
You people seriously need to find something more interesting to worry about.
I hid the forum because it wasn't being used anymore, and its definite end is in sight. It's not the first time that's happened, but for some reason now it's considered noteworthy...
Admit it, AGA. You're a Lennyphobe.
Quote from: AGA on Wed 24/10/2018 16:45:48
I hid the forum because it wasn't being used anymore, and its definite end is in sight. It's not the first time that's happened, but for some reason now it's considered noteworthy...
Oh look! A perfectly rational explanation?! Who could have possibly been expecting
that?! But please, everyone, continue with the baseless accusations and moderator bashing! It's
so appreciated!
...
Peder hosted my two free AGS games for years with nothing in return. For that I am eternally grateful!
Agreed, Peder's contributed loads to the community over the years. Even so, I never thought he'd be the basis of a truther movement.
#Pedergate
A 9/11 truther, a Pepe guy and a prayer healer walk into a bar...
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It's been this way for a while. Come to IRC if you want the real news -- away from the lying moderators (lügenmoderator)
...except AGA, I guess. He still comes in from time to time.
Quote from: Khris on Wed 24/10/2018 23:48:00
A 9/11 truther, a Pepe guy and a prayer healer walk into a bar...
Notice how Lenny is conveniently left out of this narrative.
Why do all of the "Where's [name]" threads, turn into this?
Quote from: Danvzare on Thu 25/10/2018 12:05:02
Why do all of the "Where's [name]" threads, turn into this?
There were two and both made by the same person. [insert conclusion here]
There was another about snarky that was moved into the rumpus room too. Also same person. I know that some people can be disappointing. But no reason to start a fight it 3 different threads under the guise of “wheres this personâ€, etc... If we feel the moderators are not being civil, it doesnt mean we have to be the same way and vice versa. Yes, sometimes we all lose our cool, make mistakes or are just rubbed the wrong way by someone. My advise, apologize if you did something wrong either privately or in publicly... as long as we try and be peaceful and kind. Like I said: its ok to have a bad day. But lets not start three threads just to pick a fight.
So, speaking of Peder, in case anyone missed it, he has posted a torrent of all games hosted on AGSA (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=56578.0).
It's about 54 GB in size. It doesn't include all the AGS games and has some unfortunate duplication but I think it's safe to say it carries a major portion of AGS history. It'll likely become and likely already is the only source for downloading certain games. So consider checking it out and seeding your favorite ones if not everything. And if you know any video game preservation enthusiasts, spread the word. (. †¿ . )
Quote from: qptain Nemo on Mon 29/10/2018 07:33:06
So, speaking of Peder, in case anyone missed it, he has posted a torrent of all games hosted on AGSA (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=56578.0).
I would have preferred an upload to the Internet Archive, which he mentioned way back when, as a torrent isn't the most reliable way to ensure these games stay available. Still, good on him for doing this.
Quote from: LimpingFish on Thu 01/11/2018 02:09:02a torrent isn't the most reliable way to ensure these games stay available
That's arguable. There is no actual way to predict what would go down first. A torrent could easily outlast any centralized source... if there is enough interest in the content.
I downloaded the torrent but unfortunately it's only 99.59% complete since there are no seeders.
I'm missing a few titles, and unless a seeder shows up, I'm not gonna be able to seed the entire thing.
Quote from: Scavenger on Thu 01/11/2018 17:04:33
I downloaded the torrent but unfortunately it's only 99.59% complete since there are no seeders.
I'm missing a few titles, and unless a seeder shows up, I'm not gonna be able to seed the entire thing.
Since the site is still up, can you download the missing titles from there and have your client recheck the download? I'm sure Peder will come back at presumably the only 100% seeder at the moment if not
Working together Peder, CaesarCub and myself fixed the torrent issue, its availability is 100% now.
Thanks! I'll try and seed this as long as possible!