your opinion on Roswell UFO crash

[arthur.com]

i want to know your opinion on Roswell UFO crash ot of curiosity.
Was it real or just bogus?

[space boy]

http://skepticality.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=7539#

[Darth Mandarb]

How could a UFO have crashed in Roswell and not have been real?

I kid I kid ...

Personally I think it's all a smoke-screen to keep people's attentioned focused on something, while the true "black book" stuff (or Blue Book if you follow the whole thing) goes on somewhere else.

[Nacho]

It was a case that was not even believed by the mistery raiders in those days... It became famous when a jerk wrote a book in the eighties. 0 reliebility... well... Like all the UFO issues.

I mean... let' s be serious. Imagine you have a space ship which can cover 15 or 20 light year distances... Why the hell would you put flashy yellow position lights on it?

Would you travel for 15 or 20 years just for scaring a peasant in the middle of Russia?

All this UFO thing is so rediculous... If you know a bit of it, you must know that all the "UFO legends" (Sightings-crashes-abductions and conspiracy) were created less than a year after Arnold' s incident. It's like a thriller were all the action happens in the first 5 minutes, all the rest is really, really boring.

[MrColossal]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2334857802602777622&q=physics+for+future+presidents+roswellotal=3&start=0&num=10&so=0ype=search&plindex=0

All the explanation you'd need on Roswell, in my opinion. It's all so simple really.

[Gregjazz]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21994224-2,00.html

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Interesting, Greg.  Deathbed confessions (if this can be verified to be true) are usually fairly reliable.  I mean you're going to die so why lie?  It's not like he can take fame with him.

[Nacho]

Interesting, Greg.  Deathbed confessions (if this can be verified to be true) are usually fairly reliable.  I mean you're going to die so why lie?  It's not like he can take fame with him.

Not really... You can allways leave this world with a final joke...

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

That's a pretty thin argument.  I've never heard of someone dying who was happy enough about it to joke (aside from movies).  Eric's youtube video was interesting as well, though.

[MrColossal]

HUGE logical fallacy, Progz, your argument is even thinner. Do you have statistics on deathbed confessions? Eyewitness evidence is also some of the worst evidence there is. Not to mention decades later eyewitness evidence.

[Nacho]

@ Prog.

Oh, come on... "Excuse me if I don' t stand up" (In Grouxo Marx' s gravestone). Maybe he was not dying, but he developed the idea, during hir long and healthy life, to leave this world with a joke.

Andy Kauffman was able to create the legend during his cancer that all was a prank and that he will come back in ten years (Actually an impersonator came saying he was Andy, dunno if he did with Andy' s permission before his death or not...)

Also, one of the most terrible theories about "Roswell" (Not saying that I believe it...) say that bodies of captured japanese soldiers were used shortly after the war to see the effects of heights in human bodies (using balloons). So, imagine a couple of small, bad feed, shaved japanese soldiers thrown by a high height by accident... Might those bodies resemble to a "grey alien"? IMO, yes, they do. Who can deny that maybe that "deathbed confessor" confussed alien bodies with captured soldiers? That confession has not value at all for me, sorry.

I think you don't really believe in the Roswell accident, because you said "interesting" better than "That's a big evidence!!!", so, read this as a "low profile" post. No hard feelings. 

[m0ds]

The report concluded that the Roswell incident had been attributable to something called Project Mogul, a top secret project using high-altitude balloons to carry sensor equipment into the upper atmosphere, listening for evidence of Soviet nuclear tests.

A second US Air Force report concluded claims bodies were recovered were generated by people having seen crash test dummies that were dropped from the balloons.

That's the most stupid explanation I've ever heard. Do they think the general public is George W Bush or something? So what they're saying now is that it was actually just a sensory test in the upper atmosphere...so, erm, why did they drop dummies out of it? And why did the bodies land in the same spot as the balloons? LOL. Stupid.

I'll still go with the UFO story myself. There's plenty of great YouTube videos of objects that look pretty damn real, the one I'm thinking of specifically I can't find. But it was two brothers than recorded this spinning UFO for literally 4 minutes, and the footage was anaylysed by top Hollywood CG artists who concluded there was no way it could've been composited over the top.

Anyway, i'm biassed cos i've seen one, so yeah, if Roswell wasn't an alien UFO it was a government UFO.

[Gregjazz]

http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=12827

Just feeding the fire.

[Darth Mandarb]

Something that was flying did crash at Roswell ... since they can't seem to identify what it is/was doesn't that, technically, confirm it as a UFO?

Now if we're talking alien UFO ... well then I don't know.

I wasn't there and, at this point, there's so much rumor and speculation floating around with so many "facts" and "reports" it's all lost in the haze as far as I'm concerned.

I still maintain it was all a "smoke screen" to get people focusing their attention there.

[Stupot]

This is my theory.

The moon landings were faked.
They were filmed at area 51.
The US government crashed an aircraft in Roswell, made it look like they were trying to cover it up so that all the conspiracy theorists concentrated on alien cover-up theories.
The Government took the aircraft and the so called alien and made the fake autopsy video to further feed the gullible conspiracy theorists.
This is why everyone thinks Area 51 is where the body of the alien is and the ufo and thats why it's a secret area.
But the real reason area 51 is cordoned off is because that is where they filmed the moon landings.

The whole alien cover-up was itself a cover-up to hide the true reason for Area 51.

Anyone else buy this... I've long thought the moon landings were faked and when I stopped believing in Aliens coming to Earth in flying saucers I realised the two conspiracy theories could be linked.

[Vince Twelve]

Worth noting that the guy who made the "deathbed confession" discussed above was the founder and president of the International UFO museum in Roswell...  I'd say that qualifies it for the "grain of salt" approach.

[Nacho]

This is my theory.

The moon landings were faked.
They were filmed at area 51.
The US government crashed an aircraft in Roswell, made it look like they were trying to cover it up so that all the conspiracy theorists concentrated on alien cover-up theories.
The Government took the aircraft and the so called alien and made the fake autopsy video to further feed the gullible conspiracy theorists.
This is why everyone thinks Area 51 is where the body of the alien is and the ufo and thats why it's a secret area.
But the real reason area 51 is cordoned off is because that is where they filmed the moon landings.

The whole alien cover-up was itself a cover-up to hide the true reason for Area 51.

Anyone else buy this... I've long thought the moon landings were faked and when I stopped believing in Aliens coming to Earth in flying saucers I realised the two conspiracy theories could be linked.

Yeah that makes sense... faking an alien spacecraft in 1946 to hide some filmation locations that were going to be used in 1969... the US government has clarividence powers!

[Stupot]

Haha.  Okay so maybe my timeline's a bit squew wiff... for some reason I thought Roswell happened in the late fifties.

But the essence of my theory stands.  The moon landings were filmed in area 51.  Knowing that people associated Area51 with aliens meant that they could film the landings there and people wouldn't guess.

Mark my words. One day I'll be saying I told you so (unless I die under mysterious circumstances one day... If I do you'll know I was onto something).

[evenwolf]

Aliens are easier to believe in than ghosts and unicorns.   But Im not so sure Roswell means a damned thing.

[Vince Twelve]

So, stu, what you're saying is that you can believe that an alien civilization managed to cross more than 40,000,000,000,000 kilometers (the distance to the nearest star) to come to our planet, but you can't believe that we managed to go 400,000 kilometers to the moon?  That's .000001% of the distance.

Not to mention how silly it is to think that a civilization advanced enough to launch a manned space flight over that ridiculous distance could be dumb enough to accidentally crash once it got here...

Occam's razor, people.