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Title: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: magintz on Wed 03/03/2004 19:13:20
This was bought to my attention by Inkoddi on IRC just a minute ago!

"LucasArts has decided to stop production on Sam & Max..."

Full article can be found here: http://lucasarts.com/press/releases/85.html
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Wed 03/03/2004 19:16:37
DOOM!

/me mongers
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Wed 03/03/2004 19:16:45
Shit! Apparently AGS is the only reduct of the old feeling good adventure makers!

I really wanted to see this game...  :'(
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: veryweirdguy on Wed 03/03/2004 19:18:20
Oh surprise, surprise, the adventure game gets cancelled....

Expect to see another 17 or so Star Wars games getting pumped out of Lucasarts in the next year or so. It's all they ever do anymore.

I was looking forward to Sam & Max 2. Damn.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Matt Frith on Wed 03/03/2004 19:24:49
Bah this sucks

Tier Curses Lucas Arts....twice

"not the appropriate time to launch a graphic adventure on the PC" - Is that not the worst reason ever given?

It was a good looking game from the things that i had seen :'(
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Esseb on Wed 03/03/2004 19:28:51
Don't worry, they plan to release it in 1994.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: PeaceMan on Wed 03/03/2004 19:50:35
I must admit I didn't find it that much of a suprise after FF2 was cancelled. They won't be able to fool anyone with thier excuses this time.

I wonder if this means no MI5 too?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Wed 03/03/2004 19:58:54
LucasArts is a big bunch of moronic shitheads these days, so while I may not be SURPRISED, I'm pretty pissed about it.

Anyway, check out http://www.mixnmojo for a fair and balanced editorial on the matter.  Adventure Gamers will have a few opinion pieces later in the day as well.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Inkoddi on Wed 03/03/2004 20:15:09
Lucasarts... poopheads...

cancelling Sam & Max for some lame Star Wars game
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Wed 03/03/2004 20:20:32
Here's a constructive reply, and explanation:


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

     
(http://www.posterplanet.net/images/munchscream.jpg)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: nope! on Wed 03/03/2004 20:27:07
Argggg!

Who is this " Mike Nelson, Acting General Manager and VP of Finance and Operations"?

"Finance and Operations"...  >:(
Since when "Finance managers" rule The lucas Arts which made DOTT, Sam&Max,...?

Sad but True
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Lazy Z on Wed 03/03/2004 20:29:30
Well that sucks.  I can understand cancelling FT2 'cuz that looked horrible, but Sam and Max? Idiots...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Wed 03/03/2004 20:36:40
Can someone say they're going to boycott LucasArts games unless Sam and Max goes back into production? I'm telling that to LucasArts, and I'd like someone behind me.

By the way, Mike Nelson's (the idiot who said it was not the appropriate time to release it) email address is mnelson@lucasarts.com.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Darth Mandarb on Wed 03/03/2004 20:40:00
http://www.mixnmojo.com

Remixor - a good read ... still, they are a 'big bunch of moronic shitheads these days'.

I was pissed when FT2 was axed.  Now S&M2?

Sucks

I was thinking people might FINALLY be getting sick of boring FPSs and Adventures would make a comeback.

God I hate FPSs ....

~ d


Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Wed 03/03/2004 20:42:43
My email to LucasArts... I suggest others write similar letters (though in retrospect it probably didn't need to be this long):


You're all probably getting a lot of email right now, but please read this one.  There are very valid concerns you need to address.

Hey there, guys.  You've lost another fan.  I'm sure this happens all the time, especially considering your business practices in the last five years or so, but I figured I'd let you know.  So wow's it feel to be high up in one of the most laughable and unessential game studios working today?  Do you ever wonder why people like Schafer, Gilbert, Grossman, Land, Chan, Ahern, Ackley, and others (like Jeffery recently) left?  The sad thing is, you probably don't.  I love how consistently over the last several years, and in particular this morning, you have managed to take a game company synonomous with innovation and unbridled creativity for most of the 90s and turn it into a completely bland and mundane third-party publisher (after all, you guys don't seem to be interested in the whole GAME DEVELOPMENT thing) who I can guarantee nobody envies.  So you're just not big on good games?  Is that what it is now?  You saw fit to RUSH Armed and Dangerous out the door when it's obvious a Christmas release wasn't necessary, to push the completely uninspiring RTX and Wrath Unleashed into stores and then turn your back on one of the most beloved franchises you have ever owned?  Great thinking.  So that's what you guys call "careful evaluation of current market place realities"?  What'd you do, walk down to the local Electronic Boutiques and count the number of adventures on the shelf?  Pardon me if I don't really have the utmost respect for your brilliant analysts.  Try listening to the press or to the fans, who, I may add, don't seem to give a shit about your other current games (hooray for Wrath...er, hooray for RTX?  er...), but who were doing things like naming Sam and Max one of the best upcoming titles of 2004.  Let's switch gears a bit.  You know, this is entirely specific to me, but I was a LucasArts fan since 1992.  I grew up with your damn company, and for the good part of the entire decade you were respected by your peers in the industry, by the media, and by your legions of fans.  Sometimes I wonder why I stuck with you so long after it was obvious that your hard-earned reputation had become worthless.  Well, I'm not wondering anymore because now I just don't give a shit.  I mean, what do I have to look forward to?  More Star Wars games?  Great.  That's really what I need.  In case you haven't noticed, we are up to our asses in Star Wars games.  I don't know which of you were around at the founding of this company (probably not many, if any), but for all his faults George Lucas established LucasFilm Games so they could create and foster original intellectual property, not just ride on the success of mediocre Star Wars game after shitty Star Wars game, while publishing some half-ass third-party titles.  I don't think many people have much faith in old George anymore, but that doesn't mean you guys had to follow suit and descend into worthlessness.  Well, what does it matter what I think?  After all, I'm just representative of your once-loyal fanbase who you have alienated again and again, past any sane point of loyalty.  Have fun making your games.  I hope all this brilliant "analysis" works out for you.


Chris Remo
News Updater/Assistant Webmaster
Adventure Gamers
http://www.adventuregamers.com
chris@adventuregamers.com

PS. I'll sure to stop by at GDC in a few weeks and say hello.  You can fill me in on how all your smartypants sales analysts are doing.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Wed 03/03/2004 20:51:50
YEAH!

We should tell them that it wasnt the people who were in the search of adventure games in the 90's. It was LUCASARTS who made them WANT the games. Dont they understand that they STILL have the POWER to birng that back. It just isnt about the people, it is about STRONG WILL!
If LA (not lec?) wants to make AG popular again, IT CAN!

You know?
Without LucasArts, there would be no Adventure games we know today!!!!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: nope! on Wed 03/03/2004 20:52:42
One day, gamers will be bored of all this WII fps,

One day, parents will understand that movies-based games are the worst gift to buy.

This day, myfriends, will be the Day of the Tentacle  ;D


Czar is right: fps, Sims & Co were "new" concepts and this is why the games were bestsellers...now Sierra & Lucas Art have the opportunity to offer a "new" type of games -adventure games- to a "new" generation of gamers
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Wed 03/03/2004 20:58:10
People over at Gamespot are being monkeyfuckers about it.

Here's a quote
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Ytterbium:

I'm boycotting LucasArts games. Someone want to second the motion?


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DrOwnage_PhD:

No, would you rather them release a game that gets a score of 4.9 and put a mark on the original game? The only conslusion I can come up with is that the game was really bad.


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Ytterbium:

No, it's because all their recent games that don't have Star Wars in the title were not critically acclaimed. If the game is bad, they should just say it, rather than saying it's "not the appropriate time" to release it.



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DrOwnage_PhD:

That's industry code for "this game sucks ass". They don't want to offend everyone who worked on the game by saying "the game you worked on for 60 hours a week for 2 years sucks".


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Ytterbium:
You're really pissing me off. Just shut it.



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DrOwnage_PhD:

yeah you're right lets not use logic and put our fanboy goggles on. They must of canceled it because it was going to be so great.
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Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Wed 03/03/2004 21:10:10
Hah.  They cancelled it because their sales department is a bunch of morons.  If LEC actually cancelled things because they're BAD, why did we get shit like RTX Red Rock and Wrath Unleashed?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Pessi on Wed 03/03/2004 21:17:37
Even though no one wants another Star Wars game and the like, it doesn't mean to me that Sam And Max 2 was going to be great. I mean, I think it's possible that they just realized that the game wasn't good enough and it wasn't coming out as it was imagined to. I don't think it has to be made an adventure game genre issue.

Ytterbium, I think Drownage makes logical points. Obviously you think he's wrong. Don't tell him to shut up, prove him that he is wrong. Please.

Anyway, I'm sad to hear there won't be a good adventure game coming out after all. Would have been great. Oh well.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Wed 03/03/2004 21:17:48
Call a doctor I'm having multiple hart-attacks.

old quote from LEC. "50% will be starwars games and 50% will be other titles"

Lucas arts is becomming just a big sell out like sierra. they think about money first and hardcore gamers last. I'm gonna have a good cry and go to bed.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Wed 03/03/2004 21:22:56
Ytterbium, i don't see the problem with what he said...

the only problem i see is if that's industry code and he knows it, then how is that sparing anyone's feelings?

oh well, games will come and games will go
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Trapezoid on Wed 03/03/2004 21:31:01
WHAT? ARRRGH!!! NO! FUCK.

I hate LucasArts. That game was looking so awesomely hilarious. I'm in shock. Kill the bastards.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ozwalled on Wed 03/03/2004 21:38:30
Cripes, that's weird.

I was just telling my brother a few days ago that I'd had a dream the night before that I was playing the new Sam and Max game... and that I, unfortunatley, counldn't remember much about the game. Except that it was awsome.

This is so sad.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Evil on Wed 03/03/2004 21:48:48
The only people that would have bought Sam and Max would have been Adventure Game activists, and those of us are here and make our own games. They figure they can cancel it, wait til we make it, and then sue us for copyright infringement.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Wed 03/03/2004 22:09:03
Quote from: MrColossal on Wed 03/03/2004 21:22:56
Ytterbium, i don't see the problem with what he said...

the only problem i see is if that's industry code and he knows it, then how is that sparing anyone's feelings?

oh well, games will come and games will go

Yeah, I guess he's right...I'm just a fanboy. All I do is defend things I want to like even though everyone knows they suck. But if that's how it is, that's how it'll be. I'll see you guys, I'm gonna go eat shit.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Gregjazz on Wed 03/03/2004 22:14:47
Crap, do you know how much I was looking forward to playing that game!?

You know, at one time I even used to want to work for Lucasarts, being that it's not far from where I live. I'm pretty sure I don't want to work for a company that cancels all its good projects to make way for starwars stuff.

Geez, now the only adventure games they finish these days are games of the quality of MI4. Speaking of MI4, ya know they're making MI5? Can they mess it up any worse?

Ach.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: nope! on Wed 03/03/2004 22:29:08
By the way,if they're making MI5, Mike Nelson has already wroten a press note  >:(

Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Wed 03/03/2004 22:34:19
I've been contemplating a deep and emotional e-mail to Lucas Arts...





YOU SUCK!!!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Domino on Wed 03/03/2004 23:32:09
LucasArts is definetly going in the wrong direction. I agree with everything said, especially Remixor's email.  I would love to see the look in their eyes when they read that one, which they probably won't though.

I know LA came out with a game recently for the PS2 called Gladius which also tanked and from what i read, got bad scores all across the board.

about Gladius, i could be wrong. Videogames.com gave it an 8.4 out of 10, my bad
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Thu 04/03/2004 00:18:25
Geoffkhan: They're not making MI5.

Evil: Actually, if you take a look at big-name hardcore (non-adventure) sites such as Shack News and Slashdot, there's been a lot of response from people who admit they have not played many recent adventures but who were very much looking forward to this game.


Anyway, if you haven't sent in an email, please do so.   I have it on good authority that LucasArts has already been receiving enough feedback that they're taking notice, so let's not stop now.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: big brother on Thu 04/03/2004 00:22:05
Man, I'm so pissed off. That latest trailer looked awesome.

I want to write them a email, too, but I'm not sure which email address to send it to. There is one for product support, one for the company store, one for distribution, and one for their website.

Any ideas?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 04/03/2004 00:32:46
My email to LucasArts...

QuoteDear Whomever it may concern,

   I just received word that you have stopped production on the sequel to "Sam and Max Hit the Road". This disappoints me to no end as it was one of the top games I was waiting for within the next few years. I know economically the adventure game genre has not been selling enough this past years, but it's companies like you, who have no faith in the customers and weight of well known characters, that have killed this genre.

   I am emailing you to inform that due to your decision today, I will never in my lifetime purchase another game by LucasArts. It saddens me to no end to do this, as I have been purchasing your games since "The Secret of Monkey Island 1", but I have now lost complete faith in the company. I believe you have made a stupid decision and stunted the return of adventure games to today's market.

   Sincerely,
   Allister Howe
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Thu 04/03/2004 00:33:51
Quote from: big brother on Thu 04/03/2004 00:22:05
Man, I'm so pissed off. That latest trailer looked awesome.

I want to write them a email, too, but I'm not sure which email address to send it to. There is one for product support, one for the company store, one for distribution, and one for their website.

Any ideas?

mnelson@lucasarts.com
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Migs on Thu 04/03/2004 00:46:34
Let's take matters into our OWN hands.  It's time to make our own Sam & Max fangame.  (Then have it banished to the nether regions because LucasArts would consider it a copyright infringement.)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 04/03/2004 00:50:21
*COUGH COUGH* The Case Gilbert *COUGH*

Sorry... Bad cold...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Domino on Thu 04/03/2004 00:51:59
Quote from: Evil on Wed 03/03/2004 21:48:48
The only people that would have bought Sam and Max would have been Adventure Game activists, and those of us are here and make our own games. They figure they can cancel it, wait til we make it, and then sue us for copyright infringement.

Migs, you and Evil think alike.  :)

but not a bad idea though. Screw LucasArts

if they already started Sam and Max maybe they would be so generous to give it to us, so we could finish it and play it.  ;D

Shawn

Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Evil on Thu 04/03/2004 00:55:03
I'm actually Migs too. But he doesnt know that. I have a split personality. And beleive me, the whole have sex with yourself thing, it doesnt work.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Esseb on Thu 04/03/2004 01:13:05
pr@lucasarts.com

Don't mail to the address Ytterbium mentioned.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 04/03/2004 01:14:49
I emailed it to both pr@lucasarts.com AND mnelson@lucasarts.com
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: James Kay on Thu 04/03/2004 01:38:51
It's all too bad, of course, but by all rumours the game wasn't shaping up as it should have been. Also, I believe Steve Purcell hasn't worked at LucasArts for a while now. Stories of the internal atmosphere at LA are beginning to get notorious.

Also, I can tell you right now what they will do with all those emails you sent them, especially the sarci ones.
Don't waste your time.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Thu 04/03/2004 01:48:32
Man that is so bad. I, as with everyine else here wa looking foreward to that game. For a moment there I was thinking that Lucasarts would not go the way that Sierra has gone, and still support the Adventure genre. But it seems I was wrong.

Even the editor at Hyper (big multi platform games magazine in australia) was saying that it was one of his most eagerly awaited games, well i'm pretty sure someone there said that.  I'll find the exact qote when i'm at home.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Trapezoid on Thu 04/03/2004 02:42:27
I hadn't read anything to indicate that it wasn't turning out to be a great game. Everything looked insanely promising. Steve Purcell was even a consultant. Someone should email him and see if he has anything to say about this...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Thu 04/03/2004 03:04:38
Quote from: James Kay on Thu 04/03/2004 01:38:51
It's all too bad, of course, but by all rumours the game wasn't shaping up as it should have been. Also, I believe Steve Purcell hasn't worked at LucasArts for a while now. Stories of the internal atmosphere at LA are beginning to get notorious.

Also, I can tell you right now what they will do with all those emails you sent them, especially the sarci ones.
Don't waste your time.

Steve Purcell is not an LucasArts employee; he currently works at Pixar.  However, he was very involved with this game (and was quite excited about it) and was getting a Producer credit on the project.  I'm not sure where you heard these rumours, but most people who saw early builds of the game said it was looking quite good, and everyone at LucasArts except the sales department was very confident in it.  And your assumption that emails are useless is unfounded.  I have it on good authority that the sheer volume of mail LucasArts has gotten today (let me tell you, it's been a lot) has definitely made an impact on their execs.  Are they going to un-cancel the title?  Probably not, but we're sending a message and that's what's important.  If they don't get the feeling that nobody minds that they're cancelling Sam and Max 2, things definitely aren't going to get better.  Trying to get them to realize they've made a mistake is what's important, and it can't hurt.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: James Kay on Thu 04/03/2004 04:08:55
These rumours are not public, but they have been floating around a bit. By all accounts, working at LA is no picnic. Allegedly. :-\
Well, I hope they have a good hard think about the emails they receive, if, indeed, they get that many.
But let's jot forget: games are about making money. And though I would have queued on release day to get my dirty mitts on S&M2, I personally doubt it would be a million seller.
Also, think about it: it's been in development a while now. That means a lot of money has been put into it already. Then they cancel it. Massive losses no doubt. Surely "not the right time" is a PR excuse and nothing more.

So, if Purcell owns the rights, let's hope another company can do something with it. These characters are too damn great to disappear!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: [Cameron] on Thu 04/03/2004 08:33:52
I hope bad language does not offend anyone coz...
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: D · Y · D · O on Thu 04/03/2004 09:48:49
My e-mail/response:

Dear Whomever it may concern,

Just now I've heard the bad news. I'm deeply saddened to learn LucasArts has decided to cancel, what may possibly have been one of the greatest, best selling games of the year: Sam & Max: Freelance Police. I find it very unfortunate your sales department has lost its faith in the adventure game genre and has become unwilling to release this particular one after the poor results of your other non Star Wars exploits (which were FPS games, I might add).

This e-mail may fall in a deaf man's ear, but I sincerely hope your company will reconsider its business strategies in the future, working in favor of creatively produced games instead of solely relying on the Star Wars franchise.

Diederik Veenendaal

The Hague, Netherlands


Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ozwalled on Thu 04/03/2004 10:04:45
Is there a toll-free number to reach LucasArts at?

(yes, I am too lazy to dig out my recent LucasArts games...)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Thu 04/03/2004 12:15:17
I'm pretty pissed about this. Not only because we're missing out on what looked like a great game, but what was a real opportunity to breath some life back into this genre.
So I did the nerdy fanboy thing and wrote a letter too:

I'm sure no one will ever even read this. But anyway, I just want to say how disappointed I am that you have decided to cease production on the new Sam & Max title. It was, by far, the release I was most looking forward to in 2004.

It's the way it's been announced that really bothers me though:
"...Current market place realities and underlying economic considerations, we've decided that this was not the appropriate time to launch a graphic adventure on the PC"

As a fan of the graphic adventure genre, I suppose this means you don't value me as a customer? There's not even any attempt to sugar coat things here. No "sorry to inform" or "sadly/regrettably" or anything. Just a short, curt "your fanbase isn't profitable enough - go to hell."

I know myself, and other gamers, have a real yearning for something beyond the typical old action games that are all that are produced these days. Something story based. Something centered around exploration. It's sad to think that the attitudes of the video games industry, and the "current market place realities" seem to rule out any chance of real creativity in the medium.

With regards,
   Another unprofitable fan.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Thu 04/03/2004 14:40:46
Quote from: modgeulator on Thu 04/03/2004 12:15:17
"your fanbase isn't profitable enough - go to hell."

haha, very nice.

I'll be writing mine when I get back from school today.  Teh BaStards!1!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Airborne on Thu 04/03/2004 14:49:23
Here is my letter:

Quote
Before I can hear any hope on Monkey Island 5, I heard one of the saddest news in my life... Sam and Max 2 cancelled!  One of my beloved title has axed!  I can tell Monkey Island 5 will be only a dream of mine and other Monkey Island fans....

Why?  What on earth is that market place or economic consideration?  What is the realities?  I tell you the reality, your marketing don't know how to sale a single game.  If your company considering any economic related action, I suggest the first thing to do is to fire the whole marketing and finance department (including Mr. Mike Nelson himself) and replace with a whole bunch of creative, active and considerate people.

In the past, I always consider LucasArts is one of my most respect game developing company.  Many many good titles such as Monkey Island series, Indiana Jones series, Secret Weapon of the Luftwaffe, X-Wing, Dark Force I, and, of cause, not to mention Sam & Max itself.  All these games are creative, down to the earth and keep player a long time of enjoyment.

However these few years, all your consideration is JUST and ONLY JUST on Star Wars titles!  I must admit I'm also a fan of Star Wars but the best SW game I ever played are X-Wing/Tie Fighter series and Dark Force I.  After that all other SW titles were just pieces of shit, or, not that worst, were just average.  It's simply too much Star Wars game out there but too few creative and well developed LucasArts original titles.

Please, from the deep of my heart as a LucasArts' fan, please be considerate.  If LucasArts want to keep alive in the gaming industry, listen to the player, not the marketing sales and finance controllers.

I can't stand with that action! >:(
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kinoko on Thu 04/03/2004 15:04:52
God, the fact that a company that used to be one of the only truly decent game producers out there has turned to such shit and still exists is incredibly disappointing. Oh, how I would have LOVED another Sam and Max game. As long as it -was- going to be decent in the first place...

Remixor, I loved your letter (if only they'd listen!) but I just don't have much hope of it being read. I've written a couple of similar things to companies like this before and you're lucky if some unimportant lacky skims the first line. If they don't see a "You are a BRILLIANT company and I want to buy a MILLION SHARES and suck ALL of your extremeties" in the subject line, it probably goes straight into the old trash can. Mind you, that's no reason to stop. I'd love to see these people bombarded with constructive hate mail and criticism when bad decisions like this are made. They need to learn.

Why won't they learn??

One other reason so many shithouse games are coming out these days is due to gaming being so mainstream these days. It was probably much more -loved- a decade ago because back then it was only people who really had an interest in it (and hence, had standards) who were into it. These days, it's just the "thing" to have a shitty PSX and a bunch of utterly mediocre-yet-suped-up PC games. Looking at the "classics" aisle in my local gaming stores these days is the most depressing thing. I want to see "The Kyrandia collection!" and "Best of seirra!" and the like, but instead am faced with the previous year's Tiger Woods game.

How many webpages do you find on the net dedicated to rabid adventure game fans starving for more and in desperation, playing their old favourites 1000 times over, as opposed to webpages dedicated to mad ... same-game-released-every-year-with-slightly-updated-sound-bytes sports/FPS games.

I don't want to know that answer if it's not what I think.

Also, I'd be all for fans (skilled fans, mind you) making their own version of a Sam and Max game, but -only- if Steve Purcell himself were on the project. Which in all likeliness he wouldn't be.

The ridiculous thing is going out and seeing a whole shelf in a gaming store dedicated to unbelievably crappy looking gambling/board-game based games. If THEY can get produced and are apparently worthy of shelf space, why not a simple yet loved-filled adventure game? Maybe if the game market weren't so crammed full of stuff, quality might be able to sneak its way in.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Gonzo on Thu 04/03/2004 15:12:49
I've reached the end of my patience with LucasArts. I used to be so excited about them, they just seemed like a hive of original ideas and great writing - they could be relied upon to give you a good game. That's a world away from what we've seen today, LucasArts has turned its back on a legion of fans, a genre they made their name with. For someone like me, the significance is massive. It just feels like this is the real end of LucasArts as I've known it. It was bad the past few years, but there was always some hope.

LucasArts have in the past really lived up to the 'Arts' name they took, producing plenty of games in-house that seemed like genuinely great works of art, original and exciting in the same way as a great film or book is. They did something special for computer gaming as a whole.

Now they may as well just be Lucasfilm Games again, because all hope them returning to their roots has collapsed. They are now almost purely part of the money-making machinery, a sad shadow of the respected gaming company they once were.

I'm almost certain they're not going to re-start production on Sam And Max, and I doubt there will be any more adventure games. It's up to someone else to be the pioneers now, because LucasArts can't do it like they used to. They've lost it.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Migs on Thu 04/03/2004 18:13:12
Some of you guys are sounding like the trick-or-treaters on Halloween who get pissed off when the guy in the rich house only gives out a single Tootsie Roll, so they egg the house and run off.

LucasArts is a business, and they have to look out for what's in the best interest of their company.  Right now, the best thing for them to do is mass-produce Star Wars games.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: HingedShinobi on Thu 04/03/2004 18:16:37
good point but I still sent an e-mail

"I doubt anyone will read this but oh well.

As I understand it Sam and Max 2 has been cancelled because it is "not the appropriate time to launch a graphic adventure on the PC" so your the experts when is the right time? If it were up to me now would be a better time then any what with all the First Person Shooters being released, you could bring back the Adventure Game Genre and give people more choice on what to buy rather than all this WWII and Star Wars stuff. You have let many faithful fans down and I know for a fact that they won't be buying anymore LucasArts products but I will keep buying your games because most of them are enjoyable and very good.

As I said above you have let many fans down, and if you have the time you should check this out http://www.agsforums.com/yabb/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=12143;start=0 its a thread about Sam and Max 2 being cancelled in which fans express their opinion.

Anyway Good luck in the future and I hope you'll understand the mistake you have made."
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Thu 04/03/2004 18:21:02
That's a real shame.

I was looking forward to Sam and Max 2. With Steve Purcell as consultant it was guaranteed to be quality. And maybe that's why we aren't seeing it. Perhaps Steve himself pulled the plug? After all working at Pixar has probably raised his standards bar.

The screenshots I've seen didn't entirely inspire confidence - Max in particular seemed quite strange around the seams. I thought they were supposed to be a dog and a rabbit, not a couple of plastic toys. But enough of my devil's advocacy.

As for remixor's question about why all those good people left LucasArts, from what I've heard that's exactly what management wanted. Hire them cheap (and inexperienced), fire them or force them out when they're too expensive. Which is one reason LA doesn't consistently produce great games.

DYDO - "This email may fall in a deaf man's ear" - phrases like that are one way to ensure it doesn't. When I was working in big companies, the only feedback mails that got circulated to the staff were the crazy ones. You just need to change the remainder of your excellently written letter into Wacko rantings.

Steve
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Thu 04/03/2004 18:44:52
Hmm yeah, I doubt if they will ever read these mails, cause i think they have a thing that if your subject doesnt contain a special word, it goes to recycle bin.

QuoteHowever these few years, all your consideration is JUST and ONLY JUST on Star Wars titles! I must admit I'm also a fan of Star Wars but the best SW game I ever played are X-Wing/Tie Fighter series and Dark Force I. After that all other SW titles were just pieces of shit, or, not that worst, were just average

He he, guess you haven't played KotOR, one of the rare games from the NEW age i played, and loved.

Oh how much would i like to see Sam and Max get finished by someone else, and with a huge /box office/ (cant remember the word).

Yeah, well, all from me for now.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: D · Y · D · O on Thu 04/03/2004 18:49:59
Thanks for the advice, Steve. I should have added more l33tsp34k, but I already sent it.

Anyhoo,

Gamespot is running a poll on the cancellation of Sam n Max.
It asks: "Are you sad Sam n Max have been cancelled?"

Half replied 'Yes', the other "Sam & Who?". Most surprising to me is, that nobody (well relatively speaking) answered "No". This would mean that, if you even know about the project, you're disappointed it isn't gonna be released.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jannar85 on Thu 04/03/2004 18:58:23
*sarcastic* It finally got cancelled! Cheer up guys!

I hate them... Read my full opinion @ AG..
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BerserkerTails on Thu 04/03/2004 19:14:42
Jannar: I liked your editorial, very nice.

Yesterday was probably the biggest blow to the adventure game community since Chainsaw Monday...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Thu 04/03/2004 21:36:25
I don't think anyone's posted this yet, there's an online petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/LACOSAM/petition.html

Already up to 1900+ signatures at time of writing!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Thu 04/03/2004 21:48:11
Maaaaaaaan.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Migs on Thu 04/03/2004 23:19:33
Yay, an Internet petition!  These ALWAYS work!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Rincewind on Thu 04/03/2004 23:22:44
Well, this didn't exactly make my day...
I'll just say "poo" and then send a mail and sign that petition...

This was my only game on the "Professional Games That I look Forward To In A Close Future"-list... Dang.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: LGM on Thu 04/03/2004 23:56:49
Aw darn! Now another overly-hyped game that would've ended up an MI4 incident has been cancelled.

Dear me! Somebody call the doctor!

Not to be a vindictive asshole or anything, but everyone complained how Lucasarts ruined the MI series with MI4. Maybe SAM2 was turning to crap, and they didn't want another MI4 incident. Maybe they have researchers that scrounge forums for customer feedback that isn't given to them directly, and they see how we respond to their games (and by we, I mean, yes, fanboys.) Maybe one of us is a mole for Lucasarts. Who knows!?

For all we know, this could be for the good of Lucasarts. Lucasarts might have wanted to save themselves from suffering through poor sales from a game that would probably ruin the first game's reputation and spark lots of complaints and more boycotting.

Or I could be wrong and the sales team at Lucasarts are a bunch of stupid morons, who knows. Just trying not to be bias, so don't flame me.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Tarison on Fri 05/03/2004 00:12:46
This is more than disappointing, though if they're going to ONLY publish Star Wars, then can they at least throw us an SW adventure game?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Gonzo on Fri 05/03/2004 00:25:06
LGM, nobody can be sure either way whether it was going to be a lukewarm fan reaction or not. But a lot were agreed the new Sam And Max looked wonderful in the trailer. I'd have loved the chance to play it. I love the characters and the Sam And Max 'world', and from the trailer I was quite confident we were in for a treat. I could tell the humour was intact from all the dialogue and little details there. The art in the newer screenshots looked terrific.

This might have hidden serious problems with the actual game, but LucasArts, in the little they've said, haven't said there's anything wrong with the game. They blame the market, they simply don't think it will sell. When they were honest enough to tell us that Full Throttle 2 just wasn't very good and would have disappointed everyone, why would they make excuses for Sam And Max 2? I think SAM2 would have rocked, even though it's more painful to think that.

And quality aside, one of the big things with this is that the fanbase was excited that it was coming out so soon this year (it was actually scheduled for SPRING before it was cancelled, so it would have been very soon allegedly). LucasArts have just dismissed our anticipations, and seemingly abandoned adventures, with a frankly insulting few sentences that don't explain much.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: James Kay on Fri 05/03/2004 01:24:00
Quote from: Gonzo on Fri 05/03/2004 00:25:06LucasArts have just dismissed our anticipations, and seemingly abandoned adventures, with a frankly insulting few sentences that don't explain much.

God bless PR, eh?

And why shouldn't they blame the market? The same market that made The Matrix profitable. The same market that buys the same crap over and over and over while a scant 1900-odd people would love to have paid for a new adventure games, in todays numbers that is laughable.

Face it, peeps. You lot are a dying breed.
Focus your attention not on letters of complaint but on your growing amateur adventure scene, which will give birth to far more interesting games than one over-hyped and very probably ultimately dissapointing title.

Title: 2 pennies
Post by: Sylpher on Fri 05/03/2004 02:55:25
"After careful evaluation of current market place realities and underlying economic considerations..."

Or to slim it down even more.

"...current market place..."

I'm not sure when S&M:FP started production but lets just pretend Lucasarts said "Hey lets make a sequel to Sam & Max!" 1 year ago to this day. Screw it, I will even stretch and say it was 2 years ago to this day.

Monday, March 4th 2002.

The "current market place" was a whole hell of alot like it was right now. All the major consoles had been released. Computer hardware hasn't exactly had an extreme leap in any way. FPS were still pretty dominent. What exactly took place that Lucasarts 2 years before now (again made up date) thought creating this game was a good idea and now it suddenly isn't?

I mean did RPG's suddenly have a huge explosion of popularity I am unaware of over the last few months and people are starting to make shirts like..

"Oh man.. I was so ready to buy bagallons of adventure games but now that I have these 'RPGs' I will never touch them again"

Or did Lucasarts just suddenly realize adventure games aren't popular? Like they just woke up a couple days ago and went "What the shit? People aren't all up on pointing and clicking??? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN???"

I mean who is running the evaluation department over there? Do they make short speaches to the suits between naps and snacks?

I don't know.. The reasoning doesn't sit well with one little Sylpher.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Fri 05/03/2004 03:07:19
Who are the ad wizards that came up with that one?!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Fri 05/03/2004 04:24:20
Oh, please. Lucasarts is owned by George Lucas. Since when is money a factor for them?

Sam and Max 2 wasn't a bastardization of the Sam and Max universe, strange as it may seem. Full Throttle 2 was a total mess on all fronts, but noone had any concern about S&M2 at all. It was nothing but praise from everyone.

It wouldn't have been EMI all over again.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Fri 05/03/2004 04:37:33
why do you say full throttle 2 would have been horrible?

you have no idea. because it wasn't a strict adventure game? that's a huge guess you just made. because it didn't look good? it was early production art, you show me a game that looks amazing from the first few models they throw into an engine.

and how do you know what was going on with the sam and max 2 game? it could have been horrible.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Fri 05/03/2004 04:44:33
There was nothing conceptually wrong with Full Throttle 2, much like I don't mind the concept behind the new Leisure Suit Larry game. It was simply too ambitious.

The model designs were also too exaggerated and cartoony for the Full Throttle universe. The FT models were meant to have exaggerations but not not as severe as FT2 had conceptualized. It's like if they remodelled Justice League to look like.. Powerpuff Girls.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Fri 05/03/2004 05:12:43
don't you think it was the other way around?

3d Ben looks more detailed and more rounded than 2d Ben. 2d Ben is total cartoon with a lantern jaw that just won't quit.

oh well, doesn't matter in the slightest.

i really didn't like the look of 3d sam and max at all. but again, doesn't matter
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Fri 05/03/2004 07:33:39
This news came as a rather jarring blow to me, as well.  My first reaction was write them a meanderingly whacked-out letter. Fortunately, I curtailed the impulse as it probably wouldn't be great for my current career.  

I agree on many points, particularly that LA should just rename itself Starwars Gamez or revert to LEC.  

I don't believe, however, the all the blame lies with LucasArts.  The adventure game genre's been dying for years.  Remember The Longest Journey? When it was released, it was done utterly rebelling against the current trend in gaming.  Sales weren't great compared to the other games on the market, but they were respectable considering the limited audience.  At least LucasArts were going to give it an honest shot.  They asked themselves which games they could expand upon and deliver to their fans.  They put in some serious time, manhours and cash, until they reached the financial point of no return. At that point, the marketing department did their job and cancelled the project before it became a monetary black hole.

I would've preferred both titled FT2 & S&M2 not be in 3D but even so, I mourn their demise.  We can at least be thankful that they didn't try to convert the project into Sam and Max: The FPS. Maybe it's a cue to start preaching the gospel a little more.  If you've got a buddy or relative who could potentially be interested in adventure games if given a chance, figure out which one they might like (The Dig, King's Quest, S&M, Full Throttle, Space Quest, et al) and bug 'em until they're hooked.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Gonzo on Fri 05/03/2004 12:21:41
This has really stirred up a lot of hatred for LucasArts, to the extent this website has turned up: http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/art.html (http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/art.html). They have 'hate mail', 'hate art', even hate music - my favourite image is here (http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/images/spiffy-samnmax2.jpg).
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: cpage on Fri 05/03/2004 13:29:48
Okay I totally agree that killing this game was the worst idea they have had .. BUT....
1. why are you people saying that FT2 was going to be horrible.... was there a demo i didnt know about or are you just basing your "educated" oppinions on what you saw like you are a god and have no reason to try a game before you judge.
2. I happened to have really enjoyed MI4 and I just want to know what everyone has against it?
So there was a change in direction... its better then staying predictable
and in its own right it was a great game!   I bet if lucas had released it under a different name, changed the characters a bit most of you would have given it praise and said "hooray for lucasarts they are still making adventures"
3. Maybe one of the problems with releasing an adventure game at this point is all in the fans..? I mean it seems to me that adventure fans as a whole are just getting more and more stubborn. companies make these games specificly for fans like us and what do most of us do?    BITCH and say "its not as cool/creative as it used to be".

I too sent LA a e-mail about SM2
but people who boycott them might be the reason they suck so much now.
The fans of the shitty star wars games must be coming back for more repeatedly. so they get more of the same. causing this vicious cycle.
If we stayed true to our games maybe they'd see us as part of the market again.

thats just what I think

-Chris
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Fri 05/03/2004 14:11:42
So, much controversy over a game.

Oh well -- at least the game won't end up a Frontier: First Encounters, or a Battlecruiser 3000AD, or a Daikatana.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: James Kay on Fri 05/03/2004 14:22:13
Quote from: Gonzo on Fri 05/03/2004 12:21:41
This has really stirred up a lot of hatred for LucasArts, to the extent this website has turned up: http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/art.html (http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/art.html). They have 'hate mail', 'hate art', even hate music - my favourite image is here (http://wwhs.fangames.co.uk/images/spiffy-samnmax2.jpg).

Wow, some people really have too much spare time and need to lay off the coffee!

Seeing the 3D S&M again, it's been a while, it has come to my attention that the models do indeed look very ropey, especially Sam.

My informed conclusion: game was in a bad state, LEC decided it was not worth pouring more money into it to make it presentable, PR makes a badly worded press statement naming some arbitrary reason which happens to get a lot of people riled up.

Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: CoffeeBob on Fri 05/03/2004 18:38:43
The only thing I say is...
DAMN LUCASARTS CANCELLING!
Is that better ;D? Sorry if I made myself look like an angry n00b, but I was looking forward to that game as much as I was looking forward to Sonic Heroes when I saw the first screens. I was looking forward to S&M2 even more! :'(
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Esseb on Fri 05/03/2004 19:16:44
I'm not sure I can possibly follow up a criticism of such a remarkable insight and quality as the one Largo has graciously bestowed upon us all.

It is better, yes. You could try "Damn Lucasarts' cancellation" instead, and I would suggest a smaller font size. At least it doesn't contain the word "butt" and "screw" now and for that I am grateful.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Fri 05/03/2004 22:34:43
From http://www.samandmax.net/

Quote
LucasArts' sudden decision to stop production on Sam & Max is mystifying.  Sam & Max was on schedule and coming together beautifully.

I couldn't have been more pleased with the quality of the writing, gameplay, hilarious animation and the gorgeous 3D world that Mike Stemmle's team has created. The rug has been pulled out from under this brilliant team who've so expertly retooled Sam & Max for the 21st century.

I'm extremely frustrated and disappointed especially for the team who have devoted so much effort and creativity to Sam & Max. It's a shame to think that their accomplishments, as well as the goodwill that has been growing in the gaming press toward this project, will all go to waste due to this shortsighted decision.

Thanks everyone, for continuing to make your feelings known.

--Steve Purcell
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Sat 06/03/2004 02:06:01
Quote from: Auhsor on Fri 05/03/2004 22:34:43
From http://www.samandmax.net/

Quote
LucasArts' sudden decision to stop production on Sam & Max is mystifying.  Sam & Max was on schedule and coming together beautifully.

I couldn't have been more pleased with the quality of the writing, gameplay, hilarious animation and the gorgeous 3D world that Mike Stemmle's team has created. The rug has been pulled out from under this brilliant team who've so expertly retooled Sam & Max for the 21st century.

I'm extremely frustrated and disappointed especially for the team who have devoted so much effort and creativity to Sam & Max. It's a shame to think that their accomplishments, as well as the goodwill that has been growing in the gaming press toward this project, will all go to waste due to this shortsighted decision.

Thanks everyone, for continuing to make your feelings known.

--Steve Purcell
I just saw that. I don't get it. They really didn't think people would buy it. What is with LucasArts? I'm not buying any more of the Star Wars games they think we'll buy, not even KOTOR 2 when it inevitably comes out. And KOTOR's one of my favorite games ever. To abandon that franchise for Sam and Max is saying something.

I just hope Syberia 2 quenches my thirst for good professional adventures.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Sat 06/03/2004 04:58:45
Well, there, that confirms it then. If everything Steve Purcell says is true this was on track to almost certainly being one of the greatest adventure games of all time. Yes, yes I know Monkey Island 3 and 4 were dissapointing to many of you, but then they were lacking the series visionary, Ron Gilbert. This game was being headed by the main creator, and he sounds like he was genuinely enthusiastic about how it was turning out. Make no mistake, this game was cancelled because management doesn't like adventure games and that's the one and only reason.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Sat 06/03/2004 10:33:17
Quote from: Auhsor on Fri 05/03/2004 22:34:43
From http://www.samandmax.net/

Quote
...
Sam & Max was on schedule and coming together beautifully.
--Steve Purcell

Yummy words! Munch munch!
Well, here's our solution then... Pixar makes Sam and Max movie. LucasArts reverse course. Team haven't all quit in disgust already. *crosses fingers*
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Krazy on Sat 06/03/2004 14:12:16
*clears throat*
FUCK YOU LUCAS ARTS!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Sat 06/03/2004 14:49:10
Here's my letter to The Adventure Company:

"A lot of gamers, even non-adventure gamers, are disgusted with LucasArts' recent cancellation of Sam and Max 2. However, I've heard that LucasArts doesn't really own the full license to the game. Sam and Max 2, if it is released, will be the biggest adventure game in years, and I think it would be a wise decision for The Adventure Company to grab the rights and release the game.
According to this article (http://www.mixnmojo.com/php/news/showfile.php?id=1535&category=advnews), the game was coming together beautifully and was cancelled for financial reasons. Please pick up this game and foot the bill to get it finished. It would give you a ton of fans, and it would sell amazingly."
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 15:20:53
I am short on time, and so I haven't read all the replies here. Sorry if I repeat something that was said before.

I think it is silly to be angry with Lucasarts. After all, it is a commercial company, with one main interest - profit. If the sales department decided Sam & Max 2 won't sell, and I am sure they had their reasons, then there is no reason for the company to continue funding the project for the sake of nostalgia alone.
If it so, then why did they even begin this project? Beats me. Bad evaluation perhaps. Change of people in head positions. A sudden urge to create an adventure game that has since faded. I don't know, and anyway it is irrelevant. Creating adventure games isn't a good business decision, and it is all that matters. Sad, but true.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ytterbium on Sat 06/03/2004 15:42:02
Quote from: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 15:20:53
I am short on time, and so I haven't read all the replies here. Sorry if I repeat something that was said before.

I think it is silly to be angry with Lucasarts. After all, it is a commercial company, with one main interest - profit. If the sales department decided Sam & Max 2 won't sell, and I am sure they had their reasons, then there is no reason for the company to continue funding the project for the sake of nostalgia alone.
If it so, then why did they even begin this project? Beats me. Bad evaluation perhaps. Change of people in head positions. A sudden urge to create an adventure game that has since faded. I don't know, and anyway it is irrelevant. Creating adventure games isn't a good business decision, and it is all that matters. Sad, but true.

The reason we're all mad at LucasArts is that they cancelled a game that not only us but the worldwide gaming press was going mad with anticipation for. Tons of even casual gamers were waiting for this game. And LucasArts didn't think it would sell.

I also noticed that a lot of websites with Steve Purcell's statement on them have gone down and I can't connect to them. Conspiracy?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Airborne on Sat 06/03/2004 19:12:37
One simple question:  Who buy games?  Players or salemen?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 19:42:28
QuoteThe reason we're all mad at LucasArts is that they cancelled a game that not only us but the worldwide gaming press was going mad with anticipation for. Tons of even casual gamers were waiting for this game. And LucasArts didn't think it would sell.

I believe that if it was such as sure hit, then Lucasarts would have never cancelled it. No, the euphoria surrounding any big-name adventure game that comes out these days would not be enough for the game to sell well. Even if nostalgic reviewers would give it 90s and As, most 'casual' gamers would still prefer the latest version of this or that First-Person Shooter. I am assuring you that if Lucasarts think the game wouln't have sold, they have a damn good reason.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ozwalled on Sat 06/03/2004 21:37:27
Quote from: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 19:42:28
No, the euphoria surrounding any big-name adventure game that comes out these days would not be enough for the game to sell well.

So why in the blue hell did they even start making it in the first place? As someone else mentionned, there's not that much difference in today's market as compared to whenever they likely started making the game in the first place.

Even if there's more to this whole fiasco than meets the eye, I find it very hard to simply dismiss Purcell's stamp of approval. If HE was so enthusiastically backing what he was seeing, really, how bad could it have been?

I think that there was some people at LucasArts with their heads up their asses, pretty much any way you look at it.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 22:32:17
Quote from: Ozwalled on Sat 06/03/2004 21:37:27
Quote from: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 19:42:28
No, the euphoria surrounding any big-name adventure game that comes out these days would not be enough for the game to sell well.

So why in the blue hell did they even start making it in the first place? As someone else mentionned, there's not that much difference in today's market as compared to whenever they likely started making the game in the first place.

Here's a quote of my own:
Quote
If it so, then why did they even begin this project? Beats me. Bad evaluation perhaps. Change of people in head positions. A sudden urge to create an adventure game that has since faded. I don't know, and anyway it is irrelevant. Creating adventure games isn't a good business decision, and it is all that matters. Sad, but true.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Sun 07/03/2004 00:19:29
Well, someone said that Sam'n'Max would suck like MI4, I would say: No way, beacuse Steve purcell was working on it, and then came the letter, saying i was right.

My guess is that they've completed the game (only needed those last touches), and then some relative (preferrably a kid 10-14) of a manager that works in the sales department takes a short glance at the game, and says: " An Adventure? Point'n'click, man, noobody plays this anymore..." And the sales department guy decided to convince others to cancell it.

And i wanted to say (as someone mentioned, but i thought of it first  :P) that they can buy the game off LucasArts, and sell it from another publisher... Lets say, Steve can do that...

Oh yeah, i forgot to add, It's all about advertising/marketing...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Erwin_Br on Sun 07/03/2004 00:21:31
Barcik, You obviously haven't seen the various 'mainstream' gaming sites and magazines: They were all pretty damn positive about this upcoming title. Gamespot even put it on spot #4 of most anticipated PC game.

The cancellation of this game hasn't caused an uproar in the adventure community only, you know.

Add to that the fact that, according to insider Steve Purcell, the game was going to be fantastic and everything was going on schedule.

Also add the fact that one of the managers of LucasArts has a rather doubtful reputation (see my post here: http://forums.adventuregamers.com/showthread.php?t=2326 (http://forums.adventuregamers.com/showthread.php?t=2326).

And the game was almost finished, for crying out loud.

No, siree. There's something going on at LucasArts. This is not as easy as: oh well, the game probably wasn't going the right way or wouldn't have sold.

--Erwin
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 07:02:14
Quote from: Barcik on Sat 06/03/2004 19:42:28
I believe that if it was such as sure hit, then Lucasarts would have never cancelled it.

And what exactly is the cause of this bizarre faith in LucasArts' predictions?  In the last several years, LucasArts has had an utterly TERRIBLE track record of judging which games are worth releasing, so to assume they'd know how this one would have sold is pretty silly.  I don't expect you to keep up on external forums, but gamers all over big mainstream (ie, non-adventure) gaming sites like GameSpot, Shack News, Blues News, and even non-gaming sites like Slashdot have been posting thousands of angry messages.  These are not the hardcore adventurers, these are the guys you claim would "prefer the latest version of this or that First-Person Shooter."  And even if those guys DO prefer a FPS game, that doesn't mean they can't enjoy or purchase an adventure game.  I mean, I prefer Grim Fandango to the original Sam and Max, but that doesn't mean I didn't absolutely love the latter.

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No, the euphoria surrounding any big-name adventure game that comes out these days would not be enough for the game to sell well. Even if nostalgic reviewers would give it 90s and As, most 'casual' gamers would still prefer the latest version of this or that First-Person Shooter. I am assuring you that if Lucasarts think the game wouln't have sold, they have a damn good reason.

Again, LucasArts did NOT have a damn good reason.  Their current acting president (they don't have a real president, as they have yet to replace Simon Jeffery) has a history of poor decisions and bad corporate performance dating back to his days at EA.  It's pretty naive to assume that just because LucasArts is an actual company they automatically have some sort of game industry power of prescience.  And while it may be true that MOST adventure games don't end up being huge sellers, games like The Longest Journey and Syberia have provided enormous amounts of revenue to their publishers and those were games with no pre-existing fanbase.  Sam and Max already has fans of the original game (and theoretically fans of the comic and animated series, though those people are probably already fans of the game), as well as fans of adventure games in general, many of whom would buy this game anyway just for being a new and well-polished adventure game with high production values.  Not to mention, these are characters that practically market themselves!  You don't need to be familiar with any of the previous Sam and Max properties to enjoy their antics, and the Sam and Max sense of humour is the type that's very appealing to today's market.  Of course, no matter how easy something is to advertise, it's ALWAYS harder than marketing a Star Wars game (quite possibly the easiest game franchise in history to market effectively), so I get the feeling LucasArts' sales and marketing departments just wussed out on this one.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Sun 07/03/2004 10:51:06
Quote from: Airborne on Sat 06/03/2004 19:12:37
One simple question:  Who buy games?  Players or salemen?

They both do.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 10:55:41
Quote from: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 07:02:14
And what exactly is the cause of this bizarre faith in LucasArts' predictions?  In the last several years, LucasArts has had an utterly TERRIBLE track record of judging which games are worth releasing, so to assume they'd know how this one would have sold is pretty silly.

In business, any prediction is no more then a guess. Even if they did make some mistakes, it is not a sufficient reason to do the exact opposite of what the sales department advices to do. The people in the head positions can examine their advice more carefully, ask externel bodies to re-eveluate the market, fire all of the people in that department, but it isn't there just for the fun of it. These are the people the president, or whoever, hired, and ultimately, he should either trust them or sack them.

QuoteI don't expect you to keep up on external forums, but gamers all over big mainstream (ie, non-adventure) gaming sites like GameSpot, Shack News, Blues News, and even non-gaming sites like Slashdot have been posting thousands of angry messages. These are not the hardcore adventurers, these are the guys you claim would "prefer the latest version of this or that First-Person Shooter." And even if those guys DO prefer a FPS game, that doesn't mean they can't enjoy or purchase an adventure game. I mean, I prefer Grim Fandango to the original Sam and Max, but that doesn't mean I didn't absolutely love the latter.

I am quite aware of the buzz surrounding this game. I've even seen Sam & Max 2 high on the list of the Readers' Most Expected Games. However, despite what it may look like, this is still the minority out there that is complaining. Otherwise, this genre would be prospering now.

QuoteAnd while it may be true that MOST adventure games don't end up being huge sellers, games like The Longest Journey and Syberia have provided enormous amounts of revenue to their publishers and those were games with no pre-existing fanbase.

The key word here is missing - relatively. Both of this games were created on a low-budget and aimed at a limited market. Thus, they sold well relatively to the expenses. But a project such as Sam & Max 2 is in a league of its own. It's created by a big firm such as Lucasarts on a much bigger budget, and they cannot be satisfied by decent sales in the European market. A Lucasarts product has to be a hit. For some reason, they thought it wouldn't be, and this is the main point here. I, you, Steve Purcell or anybody else can't possibly know how the game would have fared on the market. Lucasarts decided it would do badly, and so it is fully legitimate to cancel the project. Whether their reasons to do so are valid or not is irrelevent. They made a decision, and they acted according to it. I could not have expected them to do otherwise.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 11:46:09
Quote from: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 10:55:41
Quote from: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 07:02:14
And what exactly is the cause of this bizarre faith in LucasArts' predictions?  In the last several years, LucasArts has had an utterly TERRIBLE track record of judging which games are worth releasing, so to assume they'd know how this one would have sold is pretty silly.

In business, any prediction is no more then a guess. Even if they did make some mistakes, it is not a sufficient reason to do the exact opposite of what the sales department advices to do. The people in the head positions can examine their advice more carefully, ask externel bodies to re-eveluate the market, fire all of the people in that department, but it isn't there just for the fun of it. These are the people the president, or whoever, hired, and ultimately, he should either trust them or sack them.

So you think the sales department should have the final say in anything, because anything contradicting what they say is "doing the exact opposite" and should not be considered, even if that sales department has a terrible, terrible track record and can't even justify their own decisions?  What?  Do you have a vested interest in this?  Are you planning on working for a sales department later in life?

Furthermore, Mike Nelson in all likelihood didn't hire those people.  Also, by your own admission, you said "he should either trust them or sack them."  Regarding this statement: I think they should be sacked, because they make consistently poor decisions.  And speaking of poor decisions, I think Mike Nelson should be sacked as well.  He hasn't done any good for LucasArts (or Electronic Arts, which he pretty much left in shame), and he isn't even familiar with LEC's product line.  This is a man who, in complete seriousness, looked at the Full Throttle 2 concept and said "What are 'cavefish' doing in a biker game?"  By the way, shit like this on his part is what DIRECTLY caused Ahern and Ackley to leave LucasArts.  When bad company management repeatedly causes talented staff member after talented staff member to leave the company they worked with and loved for years, something is wrong.  This whole "ultimate loyalty to sales and executives" thing you're defending is silly.  I mean, you shouldn't disagree with everything your boss says, but these conditions were so bad that Schafer, Grossman, Gilbert, Bajakian, Land, McConnel, Ahern, Ackley, Chan, etc., etc. (almost all guys who started at LEC and made their names there) couldn't stand it and left.

I still don't understand why you can't just admit that sometimes companies do stupid things without sufficient reason.  History has proven this countless times.  We often look back at failed companies and say things like "Man, they REALLY shouldn't have made that completely ridiculous decision."  We can ALSO, at DIFFERENT times, say things like "That was a great decision, too bad the odds were stacked against them."  This, however, is almost certainly not a case of the second situation.

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QuoteI don't expect you to keep up on external forums, but gamers all over big mainstream (ie, non-adventure) gaming sites like GameSpot, Shack News, Blues News, and even non-gaming sites like Slashdot have been posting thousands of angry messages. These are not the hardcore adventurers, these are the guys you claim would "prefer the latest version of this or that First-Person Shooter." And even if those guys DO prefer a FPS game, that doesn't mean they can't enjoy or purchase an adventure game. I mean, I prefer Grim Fandango to the original Sam and Max, but that doesn't mean I didn't absolutely love the latter.

I am quite aware of the buzz surrounding this game. I've even seen Sam & Max 2 high on the list of the Readers' Most Expected Games. However, despite what it may look like, this is still the minority out there that is complaining. Otherwise, this genre would be prospering now.

A minority of what?  Every single gamer?  Obviously.  However, this is, hands-down the biggest public outcry I've ever seen for the cancellation of a game with the possible exception of Fallout 3.  There's a difference between "adventure games" and "Sam and Max", and you dont' have to be an adventure gamer to want to play Sam and Max 2.

(side note: And not just "Readers' Most Expected Games."  Multiple big gaming publications have put SM2 on the list of the most anticipated games of the publication itself, and PC Gamer even put them on the friggin cover two months ago.)

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QuoteAnd while it may be true that MOST adventure games don't end up being huge sellers, games like The Longest Journey and Syberia have provided enormous amounts of revenue to their publishers and those were games with no pre-existing fanbase.

The key word here is missing - relatively. Both of this games were created on a low-budget and aimed at a limited market. Thus, they sold well relatively to the expenses. But a project such as Sam & Max 2 is in a league of its own. It's created by a big firm such as Lucasarts on a much bigger budget, and they cannot be satisfied by decent sales in the European market. A Lucasarts product has to be a hit. For some reason, they thought it wouldn't be, and this is the main point here. I, you, Steve Purcell or anybody else can't possibly know how the game would have fared on the market. Lucasarts decided it would do badly, and so it is fully legitimate to cancel the project. Whether their reasons to do so are valid or not is irrelevent. They made a decision, and they acted according to it. I could not have expected them to do otherwise.

A LucasArts game has to be a hit?  So... Gladius: hit?  I wouldn't say so.  Armed and Dangerous: hit?  Ha, ha.  RTX: Red Rock: Hit?  BWA, HA HA HA HA HA!  Those are all examples just from the past few months.  Coincidentally (or possibly not coincidentally at all), the general concensus of quality from the gaming public on those games is pretty much in line with how well they sold.  Considering how highly everybody who actually was involved with or was shown Sam and Max 2 thought of the game, it easily had the potential to outsell any of those games.  By the way, the sales of RTX were in the low thousands.  Yes, it sold a couple thousand copies, that's it.  And LucasArts' sales department pushed it out the door.  Pardon me if I do have even the SLIGHTEST bit of respect for the scumbags in that department, who couldn't analyze gaming trends if faced with the threat of a rabid bunny biting off their balls.

Basically, the vibe I'm getting from your post is "If someone makes a decision, the verdict is automatically acceptable, even if they don't have any good reason."  I mean, you're saying (quote) "Whether their reasons to do so are valid or not is irrelevent."  Why is that irrelevant?  You think we shouldn't have standards of accountability?  I feel kind of bad for you, because with that kind of attitude people are just going to walk all over you in life.  Of course, this is just a game, but your overall attitude is somewhat worrying.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Igor on Sun 07/03/2004 12:08:30
Quote from: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 10:55:41
I, you, Steve Purcell or anybody else can't possibly know how the game would have fared on the market. Lucasarts decided it would do badly, and so it is fully legitimate to cancel the project. Whether their reasons to do so are valid or not is irrelevent. They made a decision, and they acted according to it. I could not have expected them to do otherwise.

Yes, they made a decision, but they made a poor one, that's the whole point. I know i'd be pretty pissed if i'd be sweating on a project like this for 2 years and then some new suit would come along and say "sorry guys... it looks good, but it won't sell". This is not only ignorant to us players (who were teased with big promises), but especially to developing team.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Sun 07/03/2004 17:19:24
btw, for all you saying those mails wont be read, they will (the pr@.. mail), they will be used for senior staff consideration....
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 19:11:25
Quote from: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 11:46:09
So you think the sales department should have the final say in anything, because anything contradicting what they say is "doing the exact opposite" and should not be considered, even if that sales department has a terrible, terrible track record and can't even justify their own decisions?  What?  Do you have a vested interest in this?  Are you planning on working for a sales department later in life?

What I am saying is that the sales department isn't there for the company to do the opposite of what it says. If the sales department has a history of bad decisions, then I agree with you - it needs a change of staff. But if the manager decides to trust them, then he should, in most cases, listen to them.

QuoteI still don't understand why you can't just admit that sometimes companies do stupid things without sufficient reason.  History has proven this countless times.  We often look back at failed companies and say things like "Man, they REALLY shouldn't have made that completely ridiculous decision."  We can ALSO, at DIFFERENT times, say things like "That was a great decision, too bad the odds were stacked against them."  This, however, is almost certainly not a case of the second situation.

Says who I won't admit companies don't do stupid things? Of course they do. I didn't even say that (although I asume it to highly possible) Sam & Max 2 would be a flop. I am just protecting a company's right to act according to its market evaluation.

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A LucasArts game has to be a hit?  So... Gladius: hit?  I wouldn't say so.  Armed and Dangerous: hit?  Ha, ha.  RTX: Red Rock: Hit?  BWA, HA HA HA HA HA!  Those are all examples just from the past few months.  Coincidentally (or possibly not coincidentally at all), the general concensus of quality from the gaming public on those games is pretty much in line with how well they sold.  Considering how highly everybody who actually was involved with or was shown Sam and Max 2 thought of the game, it easily had the potential to outsell any of those games.  By the way, the sales of RTX were in the low thousands.  Yes, it sold a couple thousand copies, that's it.  And LucasArts' sales department pushed it out the door.  Pardon me if I do have even the SLIGHTEST bit of respect for the scumbags in that department, who couldn't analyze gaming trends if faced with the threat of a rabid bunny biting off their balls.

"A Lucasarts product has to be a hit" means that for a Lucasarts product to be regarded a success, being a hit among 40-to-60 years old gypsies in Europe (no offense intended) isn't enough, it has to sell well in all target markets. Yes, Lucasarts have released their share of failures of the years. And unfortunately, quality isn't all that matters, as shows the sad case of Grim Fandango (and thank you, whatever boss of Lucasarts  who decided to release it).

QuoteBasically, the vibe I'm getting from your post is "If someone makes a decision, the verdict is automatically acceptable, even if they don't have any good reason."  I mean, you're saying (quote) "Whether their reasons to do so are valid or not is irrelevent."  Why is that irrelevant?  You think we shouldn't have standards of accountability?  I feel kind of bad for you, because with that kind of attitude people are just going to walk all over you in life.  Of course, this is just a game, but your overall attitude is somewhat worrying.

I am saying that beyond the point where a decision is takes, the reasons become irrelevant. For their own reasons, Lucasarts has decided Sam & Max 2 won't sell well. I am positive they believe they are right, and I see no reason why their evaluation weighs less then that of the public, despite their poor reputation. Thus, they should act according to their decision.

To put it as bluntly as I can: I cannot criticize a company's decision to act according to what they deem right.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 20:35:09
Quote from: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 19:11:25
To put it as bluntly as I can: I cannot criticize a company's decision to act according to what they deem right.

I cannot continue this conversation, because I find the above statement, which is your entire point, so ludicrous that there's no way for me to argue it without just saying "I think that's completely wrong."  Maybe YOU can't criticize a company's decision even if they have no reason for it, but I sure can.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Pumaman on Sun 07/03/2004 20:44:23
First Sierra, now Lucasarts. It's a shame to see the two pioneers of the adventure game abandon it now.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Sun 07/03/2004 22:12:24
And I think someone mentioned MI4 (yeah, i'm turning the topic in another direction).
You said that if They changed the name of the game and people, and sold us as a regular adventure game, we would praise them.

Well that is the point!
Monkey Island 4 is not a decent MONKEY ISLAND sequel, it ruined everything MI stood for ( good humour, piraty atmosphere, etc. etc.), tho not ruined it completley, but yes, if it were a different game, a non MI, then it could have passed as a good game.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Sun 07/03/2004 22:54:12
Quote from: Czar on Sun 07/03/2004 22:12:24
Monkey Island 4 is not a decent MONKEY ISLAND sequel, it ruined everything MI stood for ( good humour, piraty atmosphere, etc. etc.), tho not ruined it completley, but yes, if it were a different game, a non MI, then it could have passed as a good game.
Definitely agree, I think if LucasArts cut the Monkey Island 4 team loose to create an original adventure game they could come up with some great stuff.

OK, here's what I'm really posting about. Is anyone here able to get to San Rafael, CA? Check this thread out:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=hreadid=124504

For anyone interested, this guys trying to organize a protest outside LucasArts' offices.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DragonRose on Sun 07/03/2004 23:49:30
I only started playing LucasArts games recently.  I was starting to become a fan.

I haven't played Sam & Max Hit the Road, yet, but I was still going to buy SM2.  I was starting to trust LucasArts, thinking that they wouldn't do something so underhanded.

A while ago, I said that LucasArts was more icky than Sierra, because they weren't as personable with their gamers.  I then retracted that statement after playing some more LucasArts games.

It's back in effect.  Sierra at least didn't get our hopes up.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BerserkerTails on Mon 08/03/2004 00:33:27
<Reminds DragonRose of the TWO Space Quest 7s they began, and cancelled>
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Mon 08/03/2004 08:54:25
Most Game reporters are at least 25 years old. They are in an age categorie that doesnt buy games. The age categorie that does buy a lot of games are teenagers.
25 year old gamers have grown up with adventure games and know sam and max was a great game, while a 15 year old has not.
Also Game reporters are hardcore games. They can see the diffrence between overhyped crap and an original underdog game. But casual games just buy EA games. Electronic Arts is THE biggest publisher in the biz for a reazon, they play is safe. They only make games based on films/sports and a populair online game like Battlefield.
LA is playing it safe. Because casual gamers buy SW games.

Another thing: I dont copy games, I buy the original. But most of you dont. You burn them on cd after Harry the hacker made a crack for it.
I think its hard to believe that everybody would BUY sam&max2.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Barcik on Mon 08/03/2004 09:23:51
Quote from: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 20:35:09
Quote from: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 19:11:25
To put it as bluntly as I can: I cannot criticize a company's decision to act according to what they deem right.

I cannot continue this conversation, because I find the above statement, which is your entire point, so ludicrous that there's no way for me to argue it without just saying "I think that's completely wrong."  Maybe YOU can't criticize a company's decision even if they have no reason for it, but I sure can.

The problem with your line of arguments is that you are sure you are right on a subject where every prediction is a guess.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Mon 08/03/2004 10:02:26
Quote from: Barcik on Mon 08/03/2004 09:23:51
Quote from: remixor on Sun 07/03/2004 20:35:09
Quote from: Barcik on Sun 07/03/2004 19:11:25
To put it as bluntly as I can: I cannot criticize a company's decision to act according to what they deem right.

I cannot continue this conversation, because I find the above statement, which is your entire point, so ludicrous that there's no way for me to argue it without just saying "I think that's completely wrong."  Maybe YOU can't criticize a company's decision even if they have no reason for it, but I sure can.

The problem with your line of arguments is that you are sure you are right on a subject where every prediction is a guess.

I never said that.  I cannot know Sam and Max would have succeeded, but I think it would have done a lot better than LEC's sales department thinks it would (and my opinions are similar to those of many others at LEC).  Our fundamental disagreement is that while you have said many times that their decision shouldn't be criticized whether it has a good reason or not, I believe that a company can indeed be criticized if they make a poor or unfounded decision.   I don't claim to be able to predict the future of the industry, but I also have pretty much no confidence in LEC's sales department based on their past and present performance.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Mon 08/03/2004 11:56:27
I think Barcik just likes talking out of his ass. Why are you so hellbent on protecting LucasArts right to act according to their market evaluation? What's so wrong with trying to prove to them that their little market evaluation was a bit off? It's one of these occasions where you made some flippant statements and then started building up some crazed argument from there that just went further and further askew and now you just don't know what to do. Actually now that I think about it, I've done that sometimes in forums in the past too, yeah. Right, so, maybe the best thing you could do is just stop talking.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Peder 🚀 on Mon 08/03/2004 12:46:13
this is verry sad even thinking about that i actually almost only like 2d adventure games, it would be fun to meet sam and max again in a 3d adventure.,, or am i wrong now??? it was a 3d adventure right??
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kinoko on Mon 08/03/2004 14:21:11
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To put it as bluntly as I can: I cannot criticize a company's decision to act according to what they deem right.

I just have to say this ^_^ remixor was right about that being a ludicrous statement. It may very well be true about you, but it's still pretty stupid. I'm not trying to make fun of you or anything, but... well here.

"I believe killing babies is ok." I can assure you I don't, but by your logic, you wouldn't criticize me for that belief. I believe I'm right, and so therefore, you won't give me any grief over my opinion/decision.

A company can be wrong, just like anyone. We may not be able to change their minds, but what's wrong with criticizing them for what we believe to be a terrible decision? If we don't criticize people when we believe they think the wrong thing, everyone will run around doing stupid things.

The fact that they "deemed it right" means nothing apart from the fact that maybe they weren't doing it out of evil malice for their fans. It still doesn't make their decision any better, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't learn from the experience. This is how good decisions are eventually made in life. One person says "blah", another person says "Bleah!" and they argue/debate until they come to a happy medium.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kinoko on Mon 08/03/2004 14:40:39
Quote from: Malcom X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 08:54:25
Most Game reporters are at least 25 years old. They are in an age categorie that doesnt buy games. The age categorie that does buy a lot of games are teenagers.
25 year old gamers have grown up with adventure games and know sam and max was a great game, while a 15 year old has not.
Also Game reporters are hardcore games. They can see the diffrence between overhyped crap and an original underdog game. But casual games just buy EA games. Electronic Arts is THE biggest publisher in the biz for a reazon, they play is safe. They only make games based on films/sports and a populair online game like Battlefield.
LA is playing it safe. Because casual gamers buy SW games.

All very true. Full of spelling and grammatical errors, but true. I don't think anyone is disputing it but your tone gives the impression that you think along the lines of "This is the way it is so shut up about it".

I think most people here would argue that while what you described is a perfect description of the way things are, that doesn't make it completely 'right'. By fighting about this issue so passionately (start playing the triumphant music, people!), I would hope that we're in some small way standing up for quality and creativity in gaming once more. That we're trying to change the industry just enough as to allow some real gems through the cracks and thusly, actually expose casual gamers to a higher standard of games. Maybe they'd then gain an interest in them and the market, instead of being shitty to cater to these innocent casual gamers, would be full of wonders and magic once more and everyone could come out winning.

QuoteAnother thing: I dont copy games, I buy the original. But most of you dont. You burn them on cd after Harry the hacker made a crack for it.
I think its hard to believe that everybody would BUY sam&max2.

That sounds really self righteousness. I'm sure plenty of people here pay for the games they really think deserve the support.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: SSH on Mon 08/03/2004 14:57:45
As they say in Spain, "saltado el tiburón"

Some points:

1. It is sad that Sam & Max 2 has been cancelled. It could have been good.
2. Companies make unwise decisions all the time. My company spent a fortune preparing to spin  my division off under a new name, then two years later spend another fortune re-integrating it into the company again.
3. The idea that "we've spent X on something already, therefore we must carry on with it or that money will be wasted" is a fallacy if Y < Z , where Y is the further cost required to complete the project and Z is the return on the investment. In other words, if you spend 1 million already and a project would require another half a million to complete but would likely only return a quarter of a million then its stupid to continue. See also "Millenium Dome", "Scottish Parliament building", etc.
4. Barcik is maybe trying to make the point that someone in Lucasarts made a decision based on the information available to them, and balanced risk against costs. Maybe their market research was wrong, but opinion in an adventure gaming forums is hardly likely to be representative of the real world market. They probably have a better idea of the future costs involved than any of us, so none of us are in a postion to judge on that info. On the other hand, the decision may have been made on "gut feel" or "buzz" of one guy who happened to be manager who had to find some people for a new project with no hiring budget. So, if Lucasarts are politely presented with protest of support for S&M2 then they may look at the decision again and change their minds on the point. Which brings me to...
5. Insults and threats will only make the manager who made the decision more defensive and likely to stick to his decision
6. No one gets fired from a large company because some internet gamers happen to send some insulting emails about them to their boss.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Mon 08/03/2004 15:35:59
Quote from: Kinoko on Mon 08/03/2004 14:40:39
QuoteAnother thing: I dont copy games, I buy the original. But most of you dont. You burn them on cd after Harry the hacker made a crack for it.
I think its hard to believe that everybody would BUY sam&max2.

That sounds really self righteousness. I'm sure plenty of people here pay for the games they really think deserve the support.

HAHAHA, you're saying that you only copy bad games and buy good games. HAHAHA
I know you copy the good games and don't even bother to copy bad games.
Say that I'm wrong and that you dont copy games if they're good.
Come on, lie to me.

point two: I hate the casual gamer and so do you. They dont see the pigshit they buy because there is a terminator picture on the boxcover.

ps to barcik: remixor is winning this discussion. I suggest that you think up a new arguement instead of using your old one over and over and over and over again. That or just shut the hell up.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: D · Y · D · O on Mon 08/03/2004 17:05:26
Quote from: Malcom X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 15:35:59HAHAHA, you're saying that you only copy bad games and buy good games. HAHAHA
I know you copy the good games and don't even bother to copy bad games.
Say that I'm wrong and that you dont copy games if they're good.
Come on, lie to me.

That's what I do. I bought Half-Life, Monkey Island 3, Grim Fandango, Outcast and Medal of Honour. Those were games that were really good, and that's exactly why I bought them. The brilliant people responsible fot those need to be paid... a lot.

I do the same with music. I buy old jazz albums, classical music, the newest Counting Crows, St. Germain or Morcheeba album to name a few. Crap like Britney Spears or 50 Cents is good enough to listen a couple of times, but I don't think it's worth the money. That's why I download it and delete it after a week or two.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Mon 08/03/2004 19:23:37
I haven't played a stolen game in a long time. Am I lying to you?

also hasn't the idea of casual gamer been radically changed lately because of online games like Yahoo Games and The Sims [offline]?

and also:

Quoteps to barcik: remixor is winning this discussion. I suggest that you think up a new arguement instead of using your old one over and over and over and over again. That or just shut the hell up.

doesn't he have the freedom to say what he wants on these forums? stop impeding on his freedom of speech...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Mon 08/03/2004 20:14:11
Quote from: Kinoko on Mon 08/03/2004 14:21:11
"I believe killing babies is ok."

Haha, actually I think there's quite a few companies out there who'd agree with that statement if killing babies were in some way profitable for them
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Esseb on Mon 08/03/2004 20:26:22
Nestlé you mean?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Mon 08/03/2004 21:39:40
Quote from: Malcom X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 15:35:59
HAHAHA, you're saying that you only copy bad games and buy good games. HAHAHA
I know you copy the good games and don't even bother to copy bad games.
Say that I'm wrong and that you dont copy games if they're good.
Come on, lie to me.

Dear Sir, (you know I'm getting ticked off when I call people "sir" or "madame")

I am actually offended by this remark.  I do not, nor have I ever, copied games except for shareware titles.  The most I have ever done is installed a single copy of a network game on two computers, both computers being owned by my family and in the same room. It is rather offensive to assume that everyone pirates software, and to call all people who deny this statement liars.

I know how much work goes into creating things, and I think it deserves to be paid for.  So I pay.  If I can't pay, I don't get it.

Which brings me in a nice segue back to Sam and Max.  There was a lot of effort put into the game.  I wonder what would have cost more- finishing it and at least recouping some of the loss, if not making a profit, or dropping it and having all the investment go to waste, as well as angering hundereds of people who have sworn never to buy LucasArts games again?

I honestly don't know the answer.  Maybe actually finishing the programming, creating the CD's and boxes and shipping the game out would have cost seventy gazillion dollars and to recoup the losses they would have had to make each license cost four hundered bucks and your left leg below the knee.  And maybe the cost of production would have been less than they already invested.

I just don't know at all.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Erwin_Br on Mon 08/03/2004 22:25:41
You don't need to be a sales manager to see that this desicion is unfunded, to say the least.

I mean, LucasArts wasn't very generous with promoting this game (we've seen a only a few screenshots and a trailer, that's all.) and yet it still received a LOT of attention from gaming sources everywhere. And all positive, even the mainstream sources. This game was SELLING on it's OWN, I tell you. Sam and Max have a reputation! Even the most hardcore console player has at least heard about this duo.

So tell me, how the HELL did they evaluate the market?

Also, LucasArts is floating. No president, no steady management. And then there's Randy Breen, who left Electronic Arts not so long ago with a rather dubious reputation. This man's now pulling some strings at LucasArts.

Frankly I don't understand how anyone could ever trust any desicions currently made, while the company is in such a bad shape.

--Erwin
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Tue 09/03/2004 03:59:49
Exactly, Erwin.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Tue 09/03/2004 19:31:16
Well, let's say there were 20 developers working on it:
6 programmers
3 animators
4 modellers
1 texture artist
3 designers
2 sound people
1 producer
and it had another six months to go. That's easily $1m. Add another $1m for beta testing, advertising, etc.
Then let's say LucasArts get $10 a copy.
-> They need to sell 200k to break even from here.
Possible, but by no means guaranteed.

All pretty much guesswork of course...
Steve
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Domino on Tue 09/03/2004 23:51:52
It seems the online petition for Sam and Max is gaining some real momentum.

I think it was Saturday or Sunday when there was only 5000 sigs, but now that number has reached over 10,000 in just a couple of days.

Plus, everytime i check it, and refresh my browser. New names are popping up left and right.

shawn
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kinoko on Wed 10/03/2004 01:06:46
Quote from: Malcom X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 15:35:59
Quote from: Kinoko on Mon 08/03/2004 14:40:39
QuoteAnother thing: I dont copy games, I buy the original. But most of you dont. You burn them on cd after Harry the hacker made a crack for it.
I think its hard to believe that everybody would BUY sam&max2.

That sounds really self righteousness. I'm sure plenty of people here pay for the games they really think deserve the support.

HAHAHA, you're saying that you only copy bad games and buy good games. HAHAHA
I know you copy the good games and don't even bother to copy bad games.
Say that I'm wrong and that you dont copy games if they're good.
Come on, lie to me.

I would lie to you, but I just can't. I'm not a PC gamer anymore, the last decade or so has turned me into a full on console gamer (and even there, we're only talking the good shit, which I send myself broke to pay for). PC games are just on the whole not worth buying or copying these days. I don't buy them, I don't copy them, UNLESS a really decent one comes out, in which case I'll buy it. This is so rare though, and a lot of the time I'm buying cheap old re-re-re-releases of games like MI, Lure of the Temptress etc. Grim Fandango was the last PC game I aquired but luckily for me, a wonderful friend of mine was nice enough to give it as a present. I would have paid anything for it though, once I discovered it. I'd even buy it again now if it would help the industry!

Let me buy Sam and Max 2, damn you world!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Wed 10/03/2004 03:16:23
I think LucasArts is becoming the Disney of the computer gaming industry.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: D · Y · D · O on Thu 18/03/2004 11:46:38
Basically a comprehensive collection of all strategies suggested on the web to make LucasArts return to the Light Side:

http://www.savesamandmax.com (http://www.savesamandmax.com)

Apologies if this has been posted before...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Trumgottist on Thu 18/03/2004 22:06:33
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 10/03/2004 03:16:23
I think LucasArts is becoming the Disney of the computer gaming industry.
No. They was the Disney of the computer games industry. You could count on their games to be fun and to have excellent animation, acting, music etc.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Esseb on Thu 18/03/2004 23:16:42
Are you saying Disney movies are fun and have excellent animation, acting, music etc.? Sure you're not mixing up Disney and Pixar?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Thu 18/03/2004 23:33:22
Road To Eldorado was hillarious...

But Brother Bear... I mean, WTF?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Fri 19/03/2004 00:14:05
I think El Dorado was made by Spielberg, Disney made a simillar one about an Emperor becoming a Llama...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: SSH on Fri 19/03/2004 12:57:58
You mean "The Emperor's New Groove", which I really liked. Disney are still able to come up with good movies sometimes:

Good:
Lilo & Stitch
Emperor's New Groove
Hercules
Lion King
Aladdin
Beauty and Beast
Little Mermaid

Bad:
Treasure Planet
Brother Bear
Pocahontas
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Atlantis thingy

Generally, I think the only non-Disney traditional animation (but in the Disney style) that met up with the Disney standard was Anastasia. But then I tend to notice characters, style and music more than animation quality...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: InCreator on Sun 21/03/2004 13:33:48
What is all this moaning about?
Fact that they cancelled absolutely unique adventure game speaks for itsself, doesn't it?

If people like this are behind development of Sam ad Max 2, was it really going to fulfill our hopes and fill hard disks with this game? With oldschool adventuregame makers crew (who made old LA games what they really were) outta company too, I doubt...

We have two options: To yell powerlessly further in desert or get ourselves all those idi0tic XBoxes, PS2's and whatever other console shit is flooding internet, and play Star Wars/WWII FPS's till our eyes bleed and thumbs break off.

PC? Noone wants a PC these days.
Adventure game? yeah, right...

It's pretty weird, too, because adventure games are fun, make you laugh. Now how in the hell should I laugh while playing Medal of Honor? Or anything else like that? Um... Maybe hysterical, near-tears panical laughter, but laugh like this is faaar away from fun.

Of course, we could make somewhat BIG step and unite to make superb Sam and Max game by ourselves. Not that "Case Gilbert" is bad, but I mean something bigger, to copy the original humor, fun and enjoyment at full scale. Well, this won't be happening....
...never.  :(
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Sun 21/03/2004 13:46:23
Specially if they sue everybody attempting something similar...

I really think that they do that because they fear that adventure games are better than some of their "ULTRA-MEGA-ULTRA-HYPER-PROFISIONAL" games...

SSH: Yeah, I quite agree with all...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Layabout on Sun 21/03/2004 15:37:12
Why don't we just kidnap the old lucasarts designers and whatnot and put them in the dungeon with cj and force them to make adventure games of teh future and make us all rich!!!!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Mon 22/03/2004 01:59:16
Quote from: Malcom X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 08:54:25
Most Game reporters are at least 25 years old. They are in an age categorie that doesnt buy games. The age categorie that does buy a lot of games are teenagers.
25 year old gamers have grown up with adventure games and know sam and max was a great game, while a 15 year old has not.


Im 15 and im trying to resist the erge to send lec a letterbomb right now.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Mon 22/03/2004 02:14:45
I think people misunderstood my LucasArts-Disney comment.

I meant LucasArts hit their peak ages ago, much like Disney did, and now they've become more profit-motivated.

Once they were at their peak in terms of quality games (much like Disney was with animation).

Since most of LucasArt's major talent left (much like Disney with guys like Don Bluth, Jeff Kratzenberg, etc), they seem to be more profit-motivated (also like Disney today i.e. Michael Eisner's managment).

Thus, LucasArts isn't a great game developer anymore, much like Disney isn't a great animation studio anymore.

Yes, they were great once, but not anymore.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kinoko on Mon 22/03/2004 16:26:03
Well said, DG -_- Well said.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Airborne on Mon 22/03/2004 21:11:46
Quote from: Jet X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 08:54:25
Most Game reporters are at least 25 years old. They are in an age categorie that doesnt buy games. The age categorie that does buy a lot of games are teenagers.
25 year old gamers have grown up with adventure games and know sam and max was a great game, while a 15 year old has not.

I'm 31 and I still BUY games.

Quote from: Jet X.L. on Mon 08/03/2004 08:54:25
Another thing: I dont copy games, I buy the original. But most of you dont. You burn them on cd after Harry the hacker made a crack for it.
I think its hard to believe that everybody would BUY sam&max2.
That one really offended me.  Yeah, I'd like to say YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE who REALLY buy games in this world.  Now go buy more flooding SW games and stupid 3D shooters.  All in all, it looks like you're trying to offend every single person here....

Good luck my friend, and you need it.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Tue 23/03/2004 12:36:12
I should know better and not react, but...
How many people (30+) do you know that buy games as well?
How many teens do you know that play adventure games as well? (real life friends, not forum members)

I'm not saying that there are no 30 year olds that buy games, but they are RARE!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not saying that there are no 15 year olds that play adventure games, but they are RARE!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not saying that EVERYBODY copys games, but the people that don't are RARE!!!!!!!!!!

GO FLAME SOME BURGERS.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Layabout on Tue 23/03/2004 15:10:48
the majority of intelligent people who play games would have started out when adventures were popular. Many poeple who play adventures like many kinds of games, be it fps, rpg, adventure, sports, driving, action whatever....

They just dont focus their lives around shooting people in video games, they like variety, like me.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Tue 23/03/2004 15:42:35
If DG's last post was directed to me, my agreement with SSH was just about his personal opinnion about which films are good, and which not.

That doens't mean that I disagree with Daniel... I understood his Disney/Lucas analogy.

Lucas and Disney were unique, the bests, the reference... and now they just make occassional good releases.

(And, as I don't want to start a flamed discussion, Ok, I admitt that Sierra games jeopardized a little/a lot with Lucas'...)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Tue 23/03/2004 19:46:27
"I should know better and not react, but..."

no you should react. you posted other people had a problem with it, ignoring them makes you look like a troll, post once anger people and never look back.

the gaming indusrty made something like 2 billion dollars last year which was more than the movie industry...

so if the people who buy games are so rare, where is the industry getting all this money? Is it all just a front for the mafia?

and what are you talking about bloody noobs? Dragonrose is a noob? Kiniko, me? We're noobs?

edit: hehe and I know you don't like me mentioning anything about your freedom of speech avatars and all that Jet... but your dancing maid avatar is half a meg. That has to be hell for people with dialup. Would you say that's a good reason to swap it for something smaller?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Tue 23/03/2004 22:59:32
Check out the new screenshots at: http://adventure-treff.de/images/galerie.php?ort=screenshots&galerie=52
If this game was half as fun as Hit the Road and looks like that, I can't imagine any 15 year olds not wanting to play it if they just spent about 5 minutes with a demo or something.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Wed 24/03/2004 02:13:13
Farl: Nah, it more so started with Trumgottist's reply -- I think he missed my point and it kinda built fromt here.

So, I had to get a little more in-depth with what I meant.

Granted, some releases that Disney and LucasArts do are good, but they don't compare with their past releases.

For example, I'm sure Lilo & Stitch is a good movie but it's hard to match it against Snow White or Mary Poppins.

They did hit a smaller peak with their releases from The Little Mermaid to Lion King, but they still pale in comparison to the peak of their older movies.

Same with LucasArts: I appreciate some of their new Star Wars releases, but I'd rather play Monkey Island or Sam n Max.

And as I said before, a lot of the real talent behind LucasArts and Disney have left.

Now, both are just trying to make profitable products, rather than trying to make unique games/films.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: I eat butter on Wed 24/03/2004 09:53:43
MrColossal. You're scary. Your avatar is scary and too sexy.

I also viewed your last 50 posts and came to the conclusion that you are FULL OF HATE and TAKE THING FAR TO PERSONAL.
GET SOME HELP!

I can't believe that a person that spreads this much hate and anger is a Moderator!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Wed 24/03/2004 11:44:34
1.The reason I don't want to react, is because I'll get into a useless discussion, where there is nothing to discuss because we agree. Like in dg and farl case, where they misunderstood eachother, and post to correct and explain themselves. <-edited to correct and explain myself

2.I don't know if you mean the GAME industry or the SOFTWARE industry that makes billions.(conferm?)

3a.I was talking about airborn and deathlog. They don't know me and have mistaken my post.

3b.I love games and love adventure games even more. But the most people I know, don't know Sam & Max or even Monkey Island!!! When I got monkey island 3 for my bithday (I pointed it out), NOBODY knew the game (all age groups). A guy in my group (19yr), plays network games all day, but thinks "adventure game" is the same as "RPG". Surely, this happened to other forum members as well?

4.I know my avatar is to big. But every frame (144) has been copied, resized so it would fit (There were credits on the right side of the screen and karaoke subtitles underneath), and put in animation. More people get a faster connection, and the image is downloaded only once...
STILL, I am looking for a different avatar, k?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Wed 24/03/2004 12:21:10
Quote from: Jet X.L. on Wed 24/03/2004 11:44:34
1.The reason I don't want to react, is because I'll get into a lame discussion. Like in dg and farl case.

At least we can talk peacefully and make sensible comments in our lame discussions.



Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Wed 24/03/2004 12:55:57
It is pretty obvious that DG and me had differences in the past... But I feel that he's a guy I could go with to take a beer and have a good time if we avoid political matters.

I am ashamed by the way the previous political discussion ended in a lame flame war about the Phil Roberts' wellcome back thread, but, whereas the previous apology on the political thread didn't actually worked, I think that the latest war brought a new era of mutual understanding based on avoiding some issues.

I can say I respect DG... He claimed that war was no good... I thought that a war at time could save lifes, now I see I was wrong.

Now I see that discussing about war and human beings' lifes is tricky, it's too sensitive and brings to passionate feelings. that's why DG and me argued.

Where's the problem? He hasn't came back claiming he was right or claiming for a trophy... We'd behaved as fools, but we're taking it in a quite mature way nowadays, I think...

Whereas you're facing half of the community for keeping a horrible and annoying signature.

Whereas the respect you have to other members who can't browser easily the forums has been shown by having a 1/2 meg signature...

DG and me had a discussion because we were discussing about which was the best was to make the World better... You're discussion with many others because they're not so good VideoGame players as you are. I think there's no discussion here of here who is the lamest.

And "You eat butter"  :) I don't think Mr. Colossal is full of anger... He is a moderator. He has shown before that he is less reactive and many of us, I think he's managing quite well... I don't know if you're joking, but some jokes can work as firewood for a flame war.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Wed 24/03/2004 13:23:55
Farl, I think he was talking about the stuff in this thread.

Jet, what's so lame about posting to correct one's self?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Wed 24/03/2004 13:56:10
Quote from: DGMacphee on Wed 24/03/2004 13:23:55
Farl, I think he was talking about the stuff in this thread.

I assumed he was talking to the best show of lameness that involved both of us, the flame war "PhilRoberts2000" thread.

(We had many others shows, but separatelly... ;D)

So... If he was refering to THIS thread... I am shocked...  ???

Where in this thread have us been lame??? I just wanted to make clear in which part of some posts I agreed with and in which not, and you gently replied making clear to who you were talking about... I can't understand...

Well...

Here is the list of games I bought last year (Just to make clear that it is not only Jet X.L. the only and pure guy who buys games): Patrician III. Madden 2004, Fifa 2004, Star Wars KOTOR, Spiderman the movie, Lara Croft TRAOD, and a collection of good old games; Star Wars clone campaigns and the expansion, resident evil, dino crisis and Alone in the Dark 4.

EDIT: Ohhh... I've read the thread again, and yes, JET X.L. was talking to the stuff in this thread. (The problem is that I tend just to read posts that I think are going to be interessant, that's why I avoided JET X.L's one, reading just the quote in Daniel's, which I carefully read...)

BTW, I think I can keep my oppinions pretty well... Threads change constantly, why has JET X.L. choosen us as an example of bad posting?

Is it a problem of bandwith? Have us wasted valuable space making posting twice to make clear some points? That's fucking funny coming from a guy who has a half meg avatar!  ;D
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Wed 24/03/2004 14:12:08
Example:
There is a green pen on a desk. I ask someone to give me the black pen, because the green pen has black ink. At that moment, there are 10 people yelling at me, saying I'm dumb, colorblind and that they have lost there respect for me. Now I'm exlpaining that the green pen has black ink and that I need a pen with black ink, but they're not listening because the're buzy yelling at me. Other people mengle in the comotion and think that I've mistaken the green for a black pen (green can have that effect). They're telling me that that's a green pen. I yell back at them that it's a black pen because it has black ink. They are offended because of the tone I said it, and may argue that a green pen with black ink is still a green pen. BUT the only thing I want is my black pen. Why can't I have my black pen, instead of having to defent myself for any fisical attacks.
(the black pen is my misunderstood oppinion)

MrCollossal is picking on me, that is clear. He would say, it is his right of freedom of speach, and I agree.
I hope MrCollossal won't act like this at mittens because I don't think that other mitteneers would stand for that. If he does, I won't stop him tough.
Farlander, we met at last year mittens and I think you know I wouldn't say thinks just to piss people off (flaming). I have had the same impression of you. But all your posts against me do have flaming content. Same as OSC. He says "No hard fealing", but is scratching open old wounds himself.

But lets get back to the point, I get the green pen with black ink (to) myself and talk about sam&max2. (please)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Airborne on Wed 24/03/2004 14:20:18
Looks like Jet is also mistaken my point.

I'm not just "pin-point" on adventure games.  I play many different types of games and I have many friends in my age group (25-30) still buy games.  Of cause, I must admit they just play online shooting each other with a FPS (a.k.a. stupid 3D shooter, man I love this term! ;) )  But, nevermind, at least they still buy games.

MrColossal had already pointed out that the gaming industry had produced 2 billions more than movie last year.  If people buying game is rare, what makes such profit and why there still a lot of game developers and publishers out there?  So one last question to Jet:  What makes you so assertive that people buying games is RARE?

I'm not trying to start any flame and I hate people who flame.  But I really offended so I need to say something.  If there are somethings turn you crazy, Jet, I'd really like to appologize for that.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kinoko on Wed 24/03/2004 14:23:16
Quote from: I eat butter on Wed 24/03/2004 09:53:43
I can't believe that a person that spreads this much hate and anger is a Moderator!

That's what happens when you're in charge of a lot of people, many of whom are undoubtedly fools and idiots. You become bitter and twisted and cynical, and a much more interesting person ^_^

i agree though, let's not forget why we're all here. For Sam and Max! Those poor defenseless animals...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Airborne on Wed 24/03/2004 14:26:01
Right Kinoko, let's back to business.

I've checked the petition lately the total signatures had exceed 20000!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Wed 24/03/2004 14:33:13
Coming back to the green ink issue... If we look close to this analogy, we see some interesting facts...

Are you sure that you're talking the correct pen and all the rest of us are wrong? wow...

About the "flaming attitude" I show to you... CJ told "choose wisely which wars do you want to fight"... And you just choosed fighting by keeping a signature that annoys the people and a too heavy avatar. You wonder why people yells at you? I can't talk for the others, but for me all started when you gave the first step consciently annoying people.

We can all annoy the others, we're not Gods. Being in a community necessarily implies pissing it off sometimes, come back crawling and say "I'm sorry". I bothered DG, and Vel, even Mr. Colossal had to act,  but I came back telling "I'm sorry".  I think I assume dmy mistakes pretty well, whereas you seem to be a big head who keeps his oppinion, not matter who you annoy or not.

You claim that you don't post for annoying people.... does that imply that you wouldn't do anything to bother people consciently? Well, I'm happy to read that, because if so, the boobs signature annoys me, ok? It annoys many other people. If your previous thread was true, show it and remove it.

If not, don't claim that you're a person above of the others who do admitt to piss people of, like me.

And, as far as I remember, I don'tremember to had any conversation with you in Mittens, so, don't name our "friendship" to avoid this discussion.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Wed 24/03/2004 14:49:22
Quote from: Airborne on Wed 24/03/2004 14:20:18
I'm not just "pin-point" on adventure games.  I play many different types of games and I have many friends in my age group (25-30) still buy games.  Of cause, I must admit they just play online shooting each other with a FPS (a.k.a. stupid 3D shooter, man I love this term! ;) )  But, nevermind, at least they still buy games.

MrColossal had already pointed out that the gaming industry had produced 2 billions more than movie last year.  If people buying game is rare, what makes such profit and why there still a lot of game developers and publishers out there?  So one last question to Jet:  What makes you so assertive that people buying games is RARE?

It's good to hear that 30+ still buy and play games. My uncle used to had an old computer. It was the first computer I played on. Space invaders, Frogger and other games... He played them as well, but now he doesn't play computer games no more.

I have no idea where that money is comming from, ALL the software in China is bootleg. And in Slowakia (I think) you can by halflife2 (halflife2 isn't released. The sourcecode was) in the stores. With all those big movies breaking records in the past years I wonder if those figueres are right. Maybe produsing a movie, costs so much more then a game. (senator Arnie asked 40 million for that action flick)

Farlander, your picking a fight. It's so eazy to flame... I don't think you deserve a title like member of the year with posts like this! I don't want a fight, but a pen.
If I change the sig, I'll regret it forever. Because I give up in something I believe in. I'm not dence, I'm always open for new ideas. But I will not give in into your terrorising actions. And it IS you who is wrong. Not your opinion, but the way you bring it. You're a bad person. Bad thing happen to bad people.
ps. I do remember a conversation. I asked you something and you said"I'm sorry, I don't speak english very well."
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Wed 24/03/2004 15:06:21
You still don't stop for a moment and try to think if I am right in some sense, you just reply...

About "Farlander; best member of the year"  :P;
It is curious, you are arguing with DG, Mr. Colossal and me, 5 forego awards against 0 (you). Never during this thread have passed for your mind the remote, minimal, millionesimal possiblity that we're right, and you not?

But well, I think it's time for a retreat, as long as my oppinions and your are clear.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: SSH on Wed 24/03/2004 16:00:39
We're all spouting hot air unless we can produce some market research to back uus up. Anecdotal evidence is hardly proof. So, here's the only real eveidence I could find on the web, from 2001 in Australia:

http://oldwww.roymorgan.com/polls/2001/3379/

Weirdly, they have video games and computer games as separate categories.... wonder what that means. But anyway, it show that there's plenty of old people playing games, and that will mean that they are buying them too.

There's probably more market research data out there if you're willing to pay for it...
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DGMacphee on Wed 24/03/2004 16:18:12
Not even market research can save this thread.

Sam n Max 2 is dead -- may it rest in peace, and may all of us too.

MODS, time to work your mojo on this thread.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Wed 24/03/2004 17:59:49
Yes, I forgot the PS2 market for some reazon. I'm more of a game boy myself.
Lots of people have a playstation. And the gameDVD's are harder to burn. That would make sence.

On another note. Research showed that women played more computergames than men. Reazon: Women played MS-solitair at work sometimes. Is the research flaw or not?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Wed 24/03/2004 19:58:06
I'm not picking on you Jet. Do I think you're childish and silly sometimes? Yes, do I search your posts out just to comment and anger you? No. Am I childish and silly sometimes? Yes. Am I also full of hate and anger? No, sorry I Eat Butter...

You made a comment I thought was wrong and I posted to try and correct your thinking, excuse the hell out of me.

as I said before, women have taken a HUGE leap up in casual gaming since The Sims and Yahoo Games and the like. People at work play games now [Just ask Gilbert] Give a man an internet connection and a cubicle and I guarantee they'll be playing Super Breakout within the hour.

anyway, whatever, I saw the "new" screenshots of sam and max and it looked better. It could have been pretty looking at least.

and jet, the comment about barcik's freedom of speech, was that silly and childish... maybe. but wouldn't you say so is defending your right to free speech so vehemently and then trying to deny someone elses a little hypocriticaly? i'm just looking for consistency.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Wed 24/03/2004 21:55:29
all those words that end with "Y". I need a dictionary.
(I gave him 2 suggestions.)

Graphics, story, sound/music and gameplay are ALL important in a game.
Don't judge a book by it's cover. I sometimes find myself playing old games with crap gameplay. The only reazon that I continue to play, is the story.
I havn't played samnmax2 and I don't know a thing about the story. I only saw a trailer that didn't showed anything about gameplay OR the story. So I don't know if samnmax2 would be a great game, but I would have liked to found out.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Thu 25/03/2004 02:07:58
Hmm, and here I was thinking that this thread was about the cancellation of sam and max 2. Its good to see that the petition is over 20 000, but I doubt that it will bring it back. The reply from LA was interesting about the petition. I just hope lots of people have used snail mail, cos that does get a better responce than thousands of emails. I wonder how that picket line thingy went at Lucasarts the other week...

btw, just to go off topic again. Jet, your avatar and sig annoy me cos at the moment i'm at uni and i've got a quota on how many megs I can download and its pretty annoying everytime i come on the forums I got these big animations that I can't block. Also I don't really want to keep seeing your sig, cos it does offend me. I think OVC got rid of it for a reason. Oh well, I hope everyone stope annoying everyone else. This place used to be pretty peaceful once upon a time.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Thu 25/03/2004 08:56:05
I am angry.... grrr....

If an uproar thread about s+m2 being cancelled can get up to 9 pages just on our forums alone, then perhaps we ought to start some sort of "productive" form of abuse. I know e-mails have been sent to lucas-arts, some rather offensive, but that is good, but i think as one of the last real civilisations of adventure game fans we should try to persuade them to reconsider it for the future.

RIP Sam and Max 2, may your humour die with all those tortured souls that you two have tormented!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Sun 28/03/2004 05:46:32
LEC tried to see if there were any other studios who wanted to finish the game.  There were, but none of them had enough money to do it.  LEC might pick up the project again at some point in the future (though it's unlikely), but right now the team has been explicitly told not to work on it at all.  God knows why, since as far as I know the only in-house project they have right now is Republic Commando.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: AGA on Sun 28/03/2004 22:32:23
I'd be awesome if Vivendi Universal bought it.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: James Kay on Mon 29/03/2004 02:47:35
Quote from: AGA on Sun 28/03/2004 22:32:23
I'd be awesome if Vivendi Universal bought it.


:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

You obviously don't work in the game industry.  ;)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: AGA on Mon 29/03/2004 08:37:58
And you obviously don't understand irony.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: James Kay on Mon 29/03/2004 09:58:47
Not first thing in the morning before my first coffee, no.  :-[
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Mon 29/03/2004 10:01:43
Hey! Good reply, I was frearing a flame war! :)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: AGA on Mon 29/03/2004 11:11:48
:)
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Domino on Sat 17/04/2004 00:07:38
Well this could be a mistake, but i picked up the May 2004 issue of GamePro magazine and there was a whole page dedicated to Sam & Max : Freelance Police.  I don't know if GamePro is behind on their information, but according to them, the game is scheduled for a Fall 2004 release.

GamePro also has sone nifty screen shots to boot also.  I was shocked when i saw it.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Sat 17/04/2004 00:34:03
I believe what happened was Lucasarts cancelled the game before all the magazines that had all the articles were published, so now people are gonna get all hyped for a game that's been cancelled for months

hooray!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Czar on Sat 17/04/2004 00:41:33
OMG!!!!!!!!!11111111111!!!!!!!11



SAM AND MAX 2 ARES CANCELLED??!!!??

WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!!111!!!


DAMN YOU LUCAS ARTS!!!!

give me his email....

Well, dear Mr. Arts, your gonna hear yours now!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Sat 17/04/2004 03:56:54
Note to self: E-mail Czar next time a game gets cancelled.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: [Cameron] on Sat 17/04/2004 09:25:08
Quote from: Jet Invictus on Mon 08/03/2004 08:54:25
Most Game reporters are at least 25 years old. They are in an age categorie that doesnt buy games. The age categorie that does buy a lot of games are teenagers.
25 year old gamers have grown up with adventure games and know sam and max was a great game, while a 15 year old has not.
I think its hard to believe that everybody would BUY sam&max2.
Dude i am yet to turn 15 and i played Sam and Max, The Space Quest games, The Kings Quest Games, Police Quest, the Ultima series and the Maniac Mansion series. I love Sam and Max and have replayed it various times. Your comments are completely flawed and everything you have said has made it seem that you only wish to annoy everybody on the forums. Although this may be against freedom of speech but shut the FUCK UP!!!



Sometimes people can be shits.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Wormmaster on Sat 17/04/2004 12:53:50
WHAT?!
THIS CANNOT BE!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!


Those b******s...
They will pay from this!!!!


I repeat...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Pumaman on Sat 17/04/2004 14:27:16
Quote from: Lithium on Sat 17/04/2004 09:25:08
Dude i am yet to turn 15 and i played Sam and Max, The Space Quest games, The Kings Quest Games, Police Quest, the Ultima series and the Maniac Mansion series. I love Sam and Max and have replayed it various times. Your comments are completely flawed and everything you have said has made it seem that you only wish to annoy everybody on the forums. Although this may be against freedom of speech but shut the FUCK UP!!!

Woah woah cool it, any need for that language? What he said was largely true, most 15 year olds haven't played classic adventures such as Sam & Max - because the current 'trendy' games to play are FPS. But, when today's 25-year-olds were 15, adventure games were all the rage and the latest thing to play.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Sat 17/04/2004 15:03:33
That's the problem with generalizations... even if they're true, always comes the exception to yell at you "look at me! You're wrong!"

But I agree that 15-year old guys do not know very well GAs... But I must say that the stalement by JetLag "I am the only who purchases games here, I am the only who can express his opinion" is quite annoying, specially if its slightly suggests that a great majority of us are software pirates...

Specially because it distracts the attention from the main debate... "Would the incomes produced by Sam and Max have produced revenues?" I think it would, but this is starting the same debate again.... and the conclussion is sad... or AdGames are dead, or they're in a looong coma.

It's our duty to keep they alive...

*Monkey Island tune enters*
*AGS flag appears*
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: LGM on Sat 17/04/2004 18:31:32
I'm 16 and I've played every adventure game from KQ1 to Full Throttl..

But I haven't played Sam and Max or FOA or some other ones you folks seem to praise.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Sat 17/04/2004 23:27:14
Quote from: LilGryphMaster on Sat 17/04/2004 18:31:32
I'm 16 and I've played every adventure game from KQ1 to Full Throttl..

But I haven't played Sam and Max or FOA or some other ones you folks seem to praise.

How have you played every adventure game from KQ1 to FT if you haven't played a bunch of the ones praised on these forums?  Most of the really popular games among AGS users were released between KQ1 and FT.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Sun 18/04/2004 12:44:57
So - is there still a sucker out there who actually believes we will ever see Monkey Island 5 (which is the latest rumour)?

Honestly, all financial matters aside, I don't understand how a company that made its foundations on adventure games can afford, PR-wise, to cancel two highly-hyped products after the general consensus that the last Monkey Island was crap, by MI standards (I myself think it's a FINE game but a BAD MI game, but that's been discussed before). The company's losing credibility. Or rather, it now lost all it had. THIS is what I can't understand, how could they afford to go that road?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Sun 18/04/2004 19:01:01
Quote from: redruM on Sun 18/04/2004 12:44:57
So - is there still a sucker out there who actually believes we will ever see Monkey Island 5 (which is the latest rumour)?

Heh, that rumor is flying around AGAIN?  Where'd you see it this time?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Sun 18/04/2004 21:17:54
It's been around before? Heck, with my luck, it's probably the same you already know of and I read it on an outdated site. Don't really remember which... but it claimed to be THE fan place for Monkey Island. I remember the links on the left bar of the page read "Monkey Island 1", all through to 4, and then "Monkey island 5?", with that question mark.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Sun 18/04/2004 21:23:08
They had an april fools i think with Monkey Island 5 stuff :) thats what is there :p
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: remixor on Mon 19/04/2004 00:51:18
Quote from: redruM on Sun 18/04/2004 21:17:54
It's been around before? Heck, with my luck, it's probably the same you already know of and I read it on an outdated site. Don't really remember which... but it claimed to be THE fan place for Monkey Island. I remember the links on the left bar of the page read "Monkey Island 1", all through to 4, and then "Monkey island 5?", with that question mark.

Ah, I know what you're talking about.  That's not suggesting there IS a MI5 in development, they just have that page there for whenever MI5 rumours pop up, usually to deny them.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Gregjazz on Mon 19/04/2004 07:02:18
Wouldn't we all be so happy if lucasarts declared that the cancellation was all just one big evil april fool's joke?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Mon 19/04/2004 07:22:57
I just wish they'd get on with announceing the cancelation of Grim Fandango 2, Maniac Mansion 3, indiana jones, and Monkey Island... At least then they couldn't get our hopes up and we'd also know that Grim and Maniac Mansion are safe from being ruined
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Tue 20/04/2004 06:36:19
GF2? MM3? Are those planned?
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Tue 20/04/2004 06:38:04
i was making a joke, saying that they might as well just cancel them cause if they even started them they'd get canceled anyway
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Rui 'Trovatore' Pires on Tue 20/04/2004 06:41:28
Oh, I see, right.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Cluey on Mon 05/07/2004 17:27:40
The reason adventure games have died, is because of one simple thing, consoles, the consoles are the biggest market for games, MI4 was a console game, Broken Sword 3, all console releases.  So the PC gamer gets a bad conversion of a console version, with dodgy controls, and inferior graphics, adventure games dont sell well on the consoles anyway, so just keep the market to its roots I say, PC Adventure Games, with Point and Click, not move and press loads of keyboard buttons.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Mon 05/07/2004 17:29:00
EMI was not shoved onto the PC after the PS2. The PC version came out before, and then a small upgrade was done for the PS2 version.

But I understand your point.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Azure on Mon 09/08/2004 22:26:10
People seem to spend ages releasing the source code to things like Doom 3 I wish they'd  actually be useful and release Sam & Max.

On a good note Revolution are hinting at steel sky 2 yay!
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: deadsuperhero on Fri 13/08/2004 15:54:33
You know, the funny thing is that Sam and Max had their own cartoon show.
There was only one episode, though. At least, I think it was only one.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Al_Ninio on Fri 13/08/2004 15:58:29
Wrong.
There was one season.
I have to say I *loved* the show.
And that was before I knew the game, so you can't say I'm biased  :P
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Meowster on Tue 17/08/2004 01:02:45
Well, with the latest layoffs at LucasArts, I think we can pretty safely say that Sam n Max never will be picked up again.

Hm, I never participated in this thread (although I sent a lot of angry emails to various departments of LucasArts at the time). The latest LucasArts news is a real blow to me. Not surprising, but still. I pretty much grew up with LucasArts. There was something about them that no other game company quite captures. Not yet, anyway. Something damn special. They consistently produced fantastic games, hitting the bullseye time and time again. Even the Golden Guy logo was awesome.

It's friggin' sad, what they've become. It's sad because no other game company can ever be quite what they were to me. Not even Double Fine, because I didn't grow up playing Double Fine games. Double Fine doesn't sound quite as cool as LucasArts. The Two Headed Baby doesn't quite beat the Golden Guy. And I don't have a collection of Double Fine games on my shelf above the PC.

Those guys are monkey fuckers.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Blackthorne on Tue 17/08/2004 06:21:55
I don't know what everyone's bitching about.

I LOVE their Star Wars games!  :o

Bt
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Tue 17/08/2004 07:28:25
we're bitching because the cancellation of this game marked the end of an era. The end of the LucasArts games that half of the agsers grew up and loved. No more adventures in the style that we loved from the company we grew up with. That is what we are bitching about. We're bitching about Star Wars because they are a money hungry conglomorate that doesn't show any consideration for its now dwindling fan base. I too, really liked KOTOR, but that wasnt even a LucasArts inhouse development. They are becoming more of a publisher, and not their good old self.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Tue 17/08/2004 08:59:23
Quote from: Blackthorne519 on Tue 17/08/2004 06:21:55
I LOVE their Star Wars games!Ã,  :o

Are you on a "Quest for Infamy?"
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Pelican on Wed 18/08/2004 00:47:54
Ahhhh!!!!!

How can I ever hope to fuel my adventure game addiction, when even Lucasarts lets us down?

All I can say is: bugger.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: modgeulator on Thu 19/08/2004 09:25:18
These guys (http://www.telltalegames.com) might also be worth watching. I don't think they've been mentioned on this forum before. They're all ex-LucasArts employees and were working on "Sam 'n' Max: Freelance Police."

QuoteWe're currently in the process of acquiring several creative properties as well as developing our own.

Who knows what properties these could be. We can only hope. Might be some short Sam 'n' Max "episodes," might be something else entirely. Looks promising either way.

Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Tue 24/08/2004 06:40:36
Thanks for that link. Quite interesting!
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Tue 24/08/2004 07:19:48
Why dont you guys make a game together and make it cooler than the Lucas arts people and their crappy star wars games!

~~~~~TaRdMaStEr~~~~~~~~
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Wed 25/08/2004 23:19:10
we could call it "sam and max - freelance police  - the game that never happend" and we could make all 2d like the first one and could constantly move the hosting so lucas arts didn't try to shut us down for being a fangame
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Raider on Thu 26/08/2004 03:56:08
Muhahahahahaha!

- Raider
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DeviantGent on Wed 01/09/2004 19:30:05
That's an idea... but I don't honestly think the whole 'LucasArts' shutting fangames down thing is an issue anymore. There's at least 3 Star Wars projects going on Fangames.co.uk (the site LucasArts targeted), and so far they've been completly untouched.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Secret Fawful on Sun 05/09/2004 16:30:43
sounds cool to me ;D 8) ;D 8)
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BlackMan890 on Thu 09/09/2004 19:44:52
damn damn damn... and more damn

i really liked lucasart's adventuregames, this company gave me the interest of adventure games

i am 15 years old and i have been playing adventuregames all my life

i loved it when mi 1 & 2 became abandonware, i had a really enjoyable time playing these games but now i am really ANGRY
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: MrColossal on Thu 09/09/2004 19:52:55
blackman, there is no such thing as abandoneware, you stole those games. Just so you know.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Sam. on Thu 09/09/2004 20:45:13
this has been suggested so many times. i just dont think, without the original writers it could be possible to find a perfect mix of the humour that s&m produced.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Mr Jake on Thu 09/09/2004 22:06:19
I didnt like Sam and Max all that much, it was ok but a little bit Over The Top
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Thu 09/09/2004 22:58:56
That was the beauty of it though :D
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Thu 09/09/2004 23:35:05
About abandonware, just one thingie... I bought MI 1 and 2, and 3... but the floppies of the two first games have been "dissolved" in some way, they don't work (They're quite old...) So, I get them abandonware.

I don't feel guilty for that, but I just wanted to ask your opinion.

And... is there a way to protect the olf floppies from the action fo the age?
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Fri 10/09/2004 02:37:44
Farl, that depends.
Did you buy them with the understanding that they didn't work? If so, then you shouldn't pirate them.
If you bought them new, then you're good. Maybe not legally, but morally.

To protect old floppies, keep copying them. Or store them in a rarified nitrogen atmosphere at 12 centigrade.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: BlackMan890 on Fri 17/09/2004 15:39:33
i wanted to own mi 1, 2 and 3 on cd(not a pack with all these games) i looked and damn it's hard to get mi1 or mi2
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Pft! on Sat 18/09/2004 14:18:39
Well, I dont think Sam & Max 2 would have done too well, because S&M1 was very crappy. Bad interface, graphics were okay and the plot sucked but thats just me. I love all of their Star Wars title and I waiting for the sequel to Knight of the Old Republic. Amazing game.  8)
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Sun 19/09/2004 06:19:04
Heh, I can see that that view won't be very much liked around here. I don't agree, but that is your opinion I guess. Sure the interface isn't as great as other games, but it had awesome graphics, wacky humour, and a cool plot that fit with the theme of the game.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Calamity on Tue 21/09/2004 17:20:48
Well it seems we won't be worrying about many more "meh" titles from LA *(or even the better ones being cancelled) as they have decided to stop making games. Other companies are still goint to use and produce their titles (so there will beÃ,  KOTOR 2) but they themselves will no longer be creating games.

But fear not! There will probably be twenty more Star Wars titles coming out anyway. :\
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Oliver on Tue 21/09/2004 19:20:43
I saw a picture of Sam and Max ina a computer magazine. Looked great!
It was 3D, so I think it was Sam and Max 2 ( don't know the graphics of the 1st part)

Too bad that they cancelled it! :-\
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: DeviantGent on Wed 22/09/2004 13:19:31
Ah well. Hopefully one of these new adventure gaming companies run by LucasArts veterans such as Dave Grossman will snap up S&M2 and continue production!

Its a possibility...
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Pft! on Mon 27/09/2004 18:50:30
Why not start a fan project S&M2!!!  ??? 8)
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Haddas on Mon 27/09/2004 21:09:21
SAM & MAX 2 HAS BEEN CANCELLED?!?!?!? :o
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: TheDude on Sat 02/10/2004 21:33:55
SAM LIVES (well, sort of...)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/01/news_6109473.html
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Evil on Sun 03/10/2004 00:23:45
Yay! :D
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Raider on Sun 03/10/2004 05:19:05
SQ 4.5: Tardmaster sugested that earlier on page 11.
But I did like Sam and Max, the puzzles made you think in a cartoony world if you know what I mean.

- Raider
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Phemar on Sun 03/10/2004 11:07:32

Sam and Max was damned funny. The plot wasn't too good, but it was damned-ass funny.

SAM AND MAX 2: GO!
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Eggie on Sun 03/10/2004 19:03:07
Quote from: TheDude on Sat 02/10/2004 21:33:55
SAM LIVES (well, sort of...)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/01/news_6109473.html

Woah! It's like legacy studio only with adventure games..
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Paper Carnival on Fri 08/10/2004 14:26:55
Quote from: TheDude on Sat 02/10/2004 21:33:55
SAM LIVES (well, sort of...)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/01/news_6109473.html

What about Max? :o
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Al_Ninio on Fri 08/10/2004 15:05:18
Quote from: Guybrush Peepwood on Fri 08/10/2004 14:26:55
What about Max? :o

He died in Bad Day on the Moon.

Spoiler
This will not be understood by people who haven't read the comic and/or seen the cartoon.
[close]
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: TheDude on Fri 08/10/2004 15:08:35
Quote from: Guybrush Peepwood on Fri 08/10/2004 14:26:55
Quote from: TheDude on Sat 02/10/2004 21:33:55
SAM LIVES (well, sort of...)
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/01/news_6109473.html

What about Max? :o

Yeah, I saw "Sam Lives" on someone's avatar on another forum and just used that :D, sorry Max.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Nacho on Fri 08/10/2004 19:06:21
Quote from: SteveMcCrea on Fri 10/09/2004 02:37:44
Farl, that depends.
Did you buy them with the understanding that they didn't work? If so, then you shouldn't pirate them.
If you bought them new, then you're good. Maybe not legally, but morally.

To protect old floppies, keep copying them. Or store them in a rarified nitrogen atmosphere at 12 centigrade.

No no... I originally bought them. That's why I don't feel guilty with the abandonware, because I made Lucas earn money in its time...
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: splat44 on Sun 17/10/2004 02:39:44
Hi all Sam & Max fan,

There may Sam & Max 2 after all.

Please refer to following links and let keeps our finger cross.

http://www.gamepro.com/computer/pc/games/news/38436.shtml

http://www.telltalegames.com/home

http://www.samandmax.net/
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Mr Flibble on Sun 17/10/2004 21:12:24
We've known for a long time that TellTale are purchasing the Sam & Max license in March (or is it May?). They have to wait until LEC's license runs out.

In fact, I believe these boys were in chargge of S&M at LEC, so you know, fingers crossed.
They won't even start making it for over a year, but they will make one. Probably.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Wed 20/10/2004 05:09:39
Thats cool as. I wasn't aware that the Sam & Max licence was going to run out soon and that Telltale games want to pick it up. That would be awesome if it was to happen. I'm sure they would be able to put more adventure gameiness into it in their new company than they could at LEC.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Wed 27/10/2004 06:59:16
(http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20040416.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Wed 03/11/2004 07:29:26
Hehe, that is pretty funny.

And while we are in the mood for comics:
(http://www.vgcats.com/vgc_comics/images/040322.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Thu 04/11/2004 01:53:30
Crud Auhsor beat me to it. I agree though.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Tue 25/01/2005 17:07:30
Just a general update of collective info.

As far as the matter goes all protesting and petitions against LEC did do something, they fired a whole bunch of people (bout 50 me thinks), but thats nothing to do with S&M. On other news LEC have also announced another star wars game *yay*.

Next we move on. As a lot of people know, and I believe this has been mentioned before the team responsible for S&M2 left or were made redundant from LEC and have moved on to bigger and brighter things in their new company "telltale", they havent announced anything as of yet, but they say that they are working on a "secret" project of something we all know and love. Could be S&M2?

Fingers still remain crossed, so lets hope for the best, but I'm sure we'll like whatever they conjure up.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Wed 26/01/2005 01:35:09
From browsing google and visiting the homepage, it looks like telltale are working on significantly smaller games than those we know and love.
Eight employees, and they've already recorded voice for a project...
I'll be surprised if Sam and Max are involved.
It's probably something more like the CSI games - a TV property.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Ponch on Wed 02/02/2005 02:18:43
According to The International House of Mojo (and the Bad Brains site) negotiations with LucasArts for the rights to Sam and Max 2 have failed.

That bites.

But maybe Purcell will let Bad Brains do something all-new with Max.

Here's hoping, anyway.
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: HillBilly on Wed 02/02/2005 06:21:38
Why do LA keep the rights anyway? They don't seem to do anything productive with it!  >:(

This is like kidnapping.
Title: Re:Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: on Sun 13/02/2005 21:50:25
Quote from: Esseb on Wed 03/03/2004 19:28:51
Don't worry, they plan to release it in 1994.

Maybe its just me but I dont get this post as the time this thread was posted 1994 was 10 years ago. Correct me if im wrong..........
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: Privateer Puddin' on Sun 13/02/2005 21:55:05
I think it was because the threads title is Sam and Max Cancelled! while Sam and Max was released in '94, and it was Sam and Max 2  that was cancelled :P
Title: Re: Sam and Max Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Wed 16/02/2005 20:45:14
changing it now - happy?
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Mon 28/02/2005 15:32:41
In this month's issue of GamesTM Magazine I found a small article on Sam and Max 2.

QuoteMaxxed Out

Those of you hoping for the return of everyone's favourite freelance police, Sam and Max, following their cancellation by LucasArts last year can stop holding your breath - it looks like you're out of luck. Despite German developer Bad Brain Entertainment hinting that it was working with LucasArts to resurrect the canned title, things have come toa  close. "Negotiatons with LucasArts failed," said the developer. "We won't get Sam and Max 2 - not the code, the artwork or anything else."

:'(
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: HillBilly on Mon 28/02/2005 15:58:39
What's Lucas Art's problem?? It's like when the bully in kindergarden keeps the coolest toy car to himself, only to not play with it. In fact, he'll just break it so none of the other kids can use it either.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Mon 28/02/2005 20:03:38
its alright. I hate LucasArts too.... but we'll get our game eventually. Steve Purcell gets back the rights to his property in a few months, and then he can sell it to a team that actually cares to see the game get out on shelves. 

So much free publicity. Its a developers dream.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: jetxl on Tue 01/03/2005 13:51:46
Does that include the S&M2 source code??

I personally bought it, but that's what Bad Brain wanted.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Tue 01/03/2005 15:27:57
no. whatever company gets the liscense, they will have to start from scratch, unless lucasarts buys it back, but i doubt steve purcell will ever sell them anything anymore. he'd much rather see his creations, you know, used.

there is a conspiracy that bad brain knew they wouldnt get the code and art for sam and max 2, but syggested as close as they could, that they were. that, in turn made them look like the good guys even more when lucas forbid the selling of their code to anyone.

but when lucas cancelled for fear of losing money, they didnt realize the internet buzz they had generated. if they had said april fools, heres the game, i would have instantly forgave them, cause then they would have realized their mistake. 250000+ signatures * $30 bucks is a lot of money. (250000 * $50 = moola) but they didnt realize that they wouldnt of had to spend the half-million on advertising. people would have freely advertised for them through the web and word of mouth.

poor buisness-men
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Thu 03/03/2005 10:56:23
Also just in case people missed it, Telltale - the company formed by a few members of the Sam & Max 2 team and others were rumoured to have aquired the licence for it, but that seems to not be true either. Check this thread for more details: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=19417.0
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Fri 06/05/2005 15:04:23
It's like lucasarts is the Deathstar, and Alderan is any Adventure game. And we, we are teh rebels, we are teh jedi who stand for truth. We just have to pilot a ship straight into their death star and take them down!!!!111 bwahahahahaha
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: on Fri 20/05/2005 12:09:28
Speaking of which, They're planning a new star wars film after this one (episode3), which is suppose to be episode 7, where luke skywalker goes to the dark side and then comes back to the jedi's again, apparently. I can't prove that though, someone will have to find the story on the net, i can't remember the link.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: CoffeeBob on Sat 21/05/2005 23:19:42
It seems to me (and probably to everyone else on this forum) that LucasArts have gone completly fecking loco. I mean, they threaten to sue almost every fangame creators they see, they promise sequels to good non-star wars games and then can them because "they won't sell". I mean, do we have to shove something up their arses and stick a gun in their mouths to make them understand that WE WANT ADVENTURE GAMES, FOR PETE'S SAKE!
Uhm... *ahem*... Excuse me, got a bit carried away there. :=
If I don't get Sam & Max 2, Full Throttle 2 or a new, GOOD Monkey Island-game before I die, I'm taking all the employees of LEC down with me into my grave. >:(
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Sat 21/05/2005 23:25:06
@stee not logged in:
where did you hear that? all i know is, is that Lucas wants to do TV now and no more movies, although I find that hard to believe. Plus, I would expect news like that to be posted in the star wars thread in the gengen forum, not in the sam and max thread.

@largo:
I'm fairly certain that someone will take the rains for a new Sam and Max game, so you can calm down that way, but you most likely wont see any more adventure games, especially of the kind of complexity and humor that we've come to love from old LucasArts, in todays LucasArts. No need to get the moltav cocktails ready, as new companies that know your plight have been created in the demise of the adventure section of LucasArts.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: PsychicHeart on Sun 22/05/2005 05:23:23
*blake curses LucasArts... 18 times
*blake yells
*blake calms down
*blake yells again
*blake finally calms down for real
*blake yells yet again
*blake is about to call LucasArts and give them a talking to when...
*AGHHH! Screaming monkey ninjas are attacking me!!!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: lo_res_man on Thu 26/05/2005 20:11:24
*lo_res_man beats off the monkeys with his Sword of Pixalis
*lo_res_man waps blake with the butt of his Sword
*lo_res_man wanders off muttering, "stupid posters..."
*lo_res_man relizes his post is just as stupid
*lo_res_man sits down and cries with head in hands
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Sat 28/05/2005 11:33:52
(http://members.optusnet.com.au/~hierohero/images/Sam%20n%20Max%20Try%20Again.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Phemar on Sat 28/05/2005 14:18:07

Haha "I heart the darkside." Good 'un.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: PsychicHeart on Sun 29/05/2005 02:44:44
 :D :D :D :D :D man that is awesome!!! "hey max, let's go undercover, i've got the perfect disguise"  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Mon 08/08/2005 18:06:37
From the unofficial sam and max website I just read this relating to an article with steve purcell.

Finally, Steve concludes his comments with equivocation about whether his involvement in the game industry is completely behind him:"Would I get back into games? Sure. The [Sam & Max] license is back in in my hands now so we'll see what happens in the near future."

hmm.... :D
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Mon 29/08/2005 22:34:02
Posted by: Mats Berglinn      Posted on: 29th August 2005 at 20:03
Insert Quote
I don't know if anyone here at the forum have seen it but Joe White, one of the animators of Lucas Arts (or maybe ex-animator of LEC, not sure) have published a couple of animation clips from the cancelled Sam & Max: Freelance Police. Apart from the shots from the E3 trailer there are a couple of characters walking, one with Max shaving his butt in a office shredder (bet you will find this hilirious like me) and a clip of Sam & Max perform some groovy dance moves on a college disco (my favorite).

http://www.joe-white.com/joe_animation.html

Watch and enjoy (and maybe laugh your guts off too)!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Igor on Wed 31/08/2005 14:33:40
haha, that was f***ing perfect! :D no really, what the hell were they thinking at LA? Canceling this game! i mean.. look at those animations.. pure joy!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: auhsor on Mon 12/09/2005 10:57:00
Indeed, those animations were awesome. It's more of a shame now that the game wasn't finished after seeing those.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: lo_res_man on Mon 12/09/2005 21:36:33
Can't we just move on?!?! I'm despertly sad at the cancilation as well but this moping is getting to us nowhere. We ARE the adventure game develipor community... we uphold a stong tradition of great games, and we look to the futre for more... are we going to sit on our butts and pity ourselves?!?! OR OUR WE GOING TO MAKE SOME GREAT GAMES?!?!!?
LETS GET OUT THERE AND MAKE SOMETHING!!!


  (:-[ sorry for the shouting, i'm sorry, but.. moping helps nobody)
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Mon 12/09/2005 23:05:43
youre forgetting one thing. us "moping" is letting us greive, and most imporantly get us a tad angry, which can lead to motivation to ensure that the adventure genre does not dry up.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: lo_res_man on Tue 13/09/2005 22:01:35
OK Ok, grieve, i would rather be making games and in that making sure the comunity do not dry up. Really, what will help the A.G. community more? Grieving...or working? I grieve as well(as I said) I agree, this IS a reason to take action. but lets TAKE action. why not boycott, and start a REAL write in campain, like with snail mail, we would be less ignored that way.
as well work on new games.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: InCreator on Thu 15/09/2005 01:46:57
Wouldn't bunch of good Max'n'Sam fangames be much more useful, showing people's love and dedication to these characters/world, plus healing a bit of the wounds cancelling made?

And maybe - if LA jumps on makers again, possibilty to say "You may have broken our hopes, but not our love towards it, so eat copyright violation, bastards", hehe :D
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: on Thu 15/09/2005 11:58:27
Telltale games secured the rights of Sam&Max. They will make a sam&max game but not the one lucas arts canceled.

http://www.adventuregamers.com/news.php
15th september 2005
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Scummbuddy on Thu 15/09/2005 13:39:00
Well, then. I guess this thread is closed... 8)

(Throws a party. You're all invited.)
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Kweepa on Thu 15/09/2005 14:20:02
Yippee! I'll be there, ol 'buddy!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Al_Ninio on Thu 15/09/2005 14:31:16
That's excellent news. I'll be reading Surfin' the Highway in celebration.

In other related news, http://www.samandmax.com/.
Cryptic!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: Ozwalled on Thu 15/09/2005 20:35:52
It's Sam and Max's heads on Mars!!  ;D
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled!
Post by: magintz on Thu 15/09/2005 23:13:10
I'll think you'll find it's Kilpeck, England in the 12th Century

Perhaps Sam and max will travel through time in England in their new adventure.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Mr Flibble on Sun 23/10/2005 14:27:44
Just a little piece of news, a copy of Sam and max Surfin the Highway sold on eBay for about 65 quid.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: fovmester on Tue 01/11/2005 10:50:04
Yes, finally!! Maybe we'll see the finished game before we die after all!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: 1337_123f13x35 on Sat 18/02/2006 12:31:07
Well it is the people who make the games not the publishers that REALLY MATTER

100%

The pubblishers just choose good game makers mostly...
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Bluke4x4 on Mon 15/05/2006 11:44:12
OK, so if you've been checking the Sam and Max page on Telltale (http://www.telltalegames.com/samandmax) you'll find lots of neat stuff, such as desktop wallpapers and such, and a well animated preview... I just hope those voices are temporary!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: ALPHATT on Sat 07/04/2007 20:29:20
Yeah I've heard about that. I read the article two month ago.
DAMN!!!!!!!! >:(
I really wanted to try it :'(
But here's a save sam&max page for you, i don't think they will reach something
but the "changed" lucasarts logo is funny
http://www.savesamandmax.com/
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Kweepa on Sat 07/04/2007 22:17:23
 ::) :o
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Steel Drummer on Sun 08/04/2007 00:07:32
That 'Save Sam & Max' thing is bogus. They're making another Sam and Max game already. ::)
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Tom S. Fox on Sun 08/04/2007 00:26:55
They're making Sam and Max games! Plural!
Some are already out!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Steel Drummer on Sun 08/04/2007 00:29:57
Isn't it just one game in a bunch of parts?
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Bad Asp on Tue 24/02/2009 19:04:08
The five-year anniversary of the cancellation of this game is coming up.

Why do I feel like I'm the only one on this planet who wants to sue Lucasarts?
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Akatosh on Wed 25/02/2009 06:40:39
I wasn't aware the cancellation of adventure games is a crime. Live and learn!
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Bad Asp on Wed 25/02/2009 15:01:43
Quote from: Akatosh on Wed 25/02/2009 06:40:39
I wasn't aware the cancellation of adventure games is a crime. Live and learn!

Well, the cancellation of THIS game should be a crime!  In fact, I've even written a petition about it suggesting an investigation of Lucasarts, because after the cancellation of that game, they did two other suspicious things.  You'll have to read my petition to see what they are.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Akatosh on Wed 25/02/2009 15:07:22
So in summary,

- They pressed some contractees to release a not-completly-finished in a more profitable season.
- They didn't release something that might or might have not been fun.
- They changed an online game they own so some people now think it's not as fun as before.

Grave charges indeed... I think I can see your point. How DARE they do stuff with their own properties with which a bunch of uninvolved people disagree?! >:(

Seriously now. I'm not too happy about all of this either (except for the Star Wars: Galaxy part, since I don't play that game), and I guess at least one of these was sort of a boneheaded maneuver, but none of it is a criminal offense or "warranting an investigation".
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Babar on Wed 25/02/2009 15:53:35
I'm not quite sure what the problem is. There are 2(?) seasons of Sam & Max episode games out, with Steve Purcell designing and writing. Play those if you want Sam & Max?
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: DeviantGent on Wed 25/02/2009 20:34:05
WE SHALL SUE THEM. IN INTERNETS COURT.

Hang on, I've got Leonard Crabs on speeddial. Someone rustle up some kale and kool-aid for his legal fees (or 'buckshot dosh' as he likes to call it) and we'll be in business.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: AdamM on Thu 26/02/2009 14:52:36
Reading that petition is hilarious. "They nerfed my class - get the Federal Trade Commission on the line!"
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Bad Asp on Wed 04/03/2009 21:23:09
Five years have passed...

I don't care if you want me to play the new games, I still want the old game uncancelled.  Nothing is going to change my mind.  I still don't think that what Lucasarts did was the right thing to do, and I think someone should take action.  Why are people letting Lucasarts get away with what they did?  That makes me angry! >:(
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: ManicMatt on Wed 04/03/2009 23:34:02
FTC: "Release that old Sam and Max game immediately!"
LucasArts: "Argh!! Okay okay!"

*Sam n Max 2 sells 300 copies.*

*LucasArts go into administration*

*Bad Asp is happy*

Bad Asp, don't play my games, will you? Incase I cancel a project and you go apeshit on me.  :P
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: LimpingFish on Wed 04/03/2009 23:38:06
I'm not sure I see the point of this, really.

Actually, I do see your point, but I don't see how anything other than how LucasArts run their business as the cause behind what you're complaining about. Similar behavior is rife in the industry, and largely unreported to the masses, and you, as a fan, are entitled to nothing.

It's just how things work, stupid and unfair though it may seem.

We lost Sam & Max 2, we lost Full Throttle 2, we probably lost a few other games that never made it past the drawing board. But shit apples, I'm afraid.

I'm sure somebody, somewhere, lamented the loss of each and every one of these games. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cancelled_video_games)
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 05/03/2009 09:09:45
I felt so betrayed when McKenzie & Co was cancelled.  I mean, really!  A game for girls, designed by the people that make a Nancy Drew game every month?  How can this plan fail?

Bad Asp, how old are you, exactly?  Because your response to a game canceled ages ago strikes me as very naive.
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: Bad Asp on Thu 05/03/2009 16:05:55
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 05/03/2009 09:09:45
I felt so betrayed when McKenzie & Co was cancelled.  I mean, really!  A game for girls, designed by the people that make a Nancy Drew game every month?  How can this plan fail?

Bad Asp, how old are you, exactly?  Because your response to a game canceled ages ago strikes me as very naive.

I'm 30, in case you were wondering.

Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: ALPHATT on Thu 05/03/2009 16:47:57
I'm a horse, in case you were wondering.

Seriously though, what the heck is your problem?
I assume Telltale used up their already existing resources to create the new
Sam & Max series so you could call the series Sam & Max 2...
Title: Re: Sam and Max 2 Cancelled! (Not Anymore)
Post by: LimpingFish on Thu 05/03/2009 19:11:02
Bad Asp isn't alone in his pursuit. People still pressure Capcom (well, in as much as a bunch of netoids can pressure a multi-million dollar corporation) to release the post-alpha-ish/pre-beta-ish version of Resident Evil 2, which was scrapped when Shinji Mikami decided he didn't like the look of it.

Hell, some people still think Valve should officially release the Dreamcast version of HalfLife!

Everybody else just shrugs.