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Title: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 06/12/2010 19:51:15
Hello everybody, I'm trying to make my first AGS game and I'am started with a part of the ROTLA film of indiana jones, the escavation part and the room map. I try to make it as the Lucasarts adventures, in Fate of Atlantis style.

I have the interface ready, and some locations.

Some images

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7056/rotla01.jpg)
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5080/rotla02.jpg)

(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1946/escenarios.jpg)
(http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/1585/escenariocomp.jpg)


(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9612/personajes1.jpg)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8233/smapaoscuro.png)

interface
(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6259/scummdial.png)

Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Igor Hardy on Mon 06/12/2010 19:59:25
Looks great. And I always had a soft spot for FOA-like style Indy games.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Matti on Mon 06/12/2010 20:01:18
Um.. looks nice but if you want critique on your BGs, there's a Critics Lounge (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?board=4.0).

And here (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=1987.0)'s the forum rules.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: strangechicken on Mon 06/12/2010 20:14:59
Looks good.. .has that old Indiana Jones (Circa. fate of atlantis) flair to it... I'll look forward to it... keep up the good work... you may if you haven't already... want to get a translator for it... tho AGS is a worldwide adventure game community... a majority of the users would be the english speaking variety....
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Mon 06/12/2010 20:59:33
Look great!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: subspark on Tue 07/12/2010 01:27:19
Quite nice, quo_sp.

Only three points, because your lucky and deserve more... ;)

1) I think that because the setting is in the middle east, where sandstorms regularly stain the sky, your scenes should be warmer.

A redder color temperature would help all the sand and clay look as if it's being reflected onto the landscape by the burning sun. Because the sun is so hot in this part of the world, the morning sky would probably seem as white as it is in the film.
I would really make that sky look like it is burning hot!

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2) Your surfaces need more texture detail. Detail is important when it is necessary and in your case it is necessary here. Rather than a cold, sterile and barren landscape, your scenes could really portray the random chaos of the east.

What you can do here, and if your feeling particularly creative, is paint a small collection of textures yourself that you can re-use for connecting rooms.
You could paint over some reference photos perhaps, just like you did with the backgrounds themselves.
If your not feeling that artsie, then you can use those photos themselves and work them into the contours of your scene using different blending modes to achieve the subtle texture of sandstone and rock.

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3) To really sell this shot however, you do need some life on the horizon which I think you could really take home with some subtle animation.
In the original scene, there is plenty of activity going on. Hundreds of miners are working in the background. You could really bring this scene to life with a few 2 or 3 pixel sized animated worker sprites copied around in the distance.

Keep up the fantastic work, quo_sp!
Our community could use another skilled artist like yourself around, and it's nice to see a fellow artist who likes to program in AGS.


Take care,
Sparky.

Edit: A quick example of what is possible with a few large colored layers in combination with a few finer details:

(http://www.shuugouteki.net/paul/Images/dig_site_light_and_shade.gif)

Anyway, we're waaay off topic now so. :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Tue 07/12/2010 06:58:08
subspark, don't confuse me with quo_sp. :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Tue 07/12/2010 12:14:54
Looks really nice! And how inspiring!
I don't know if I prefer the saturated colors of subspark or the original faded colors of quo_sp.
But in any case, the quality level is already very high. I'd suggest not spending more time on enhancing it for now, and instead trying to produce as much material as possible, before the motivation fades away. Along the way, hire some talented artists to enhance your already-totally-sweet backgrounds ;-)

Actually I'm volunterring to paint one or more backgrounds from scratch.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Tue 07/12/2010 18:48:09
Thank you everybody for the support and sorry for my English, I’am planning to translate to English when be ready but this is the last part.

subspark, thank you very much for your tips, it is very useful, and your sample is looks very nice, especially in the horizon. How you do it? Which program you used and which effect for the layers? I’d like to learn it to get a best finish for my backgrounds because really I’m not an skilled artist as you say. This is my first attempt to make a background since I was a children several years ago, but practice gives some results.
Thank you for your tip of the animation, this is a think that I thinked that need to introduce. :)

Monsieur OUXX, thank you very much, and I’m trying to produce all material as I can, I try to advance because as you say the motivation can to be a handicap to finish and adventure. I have more material, but not finished.

By the way I have a video that can be downloaded from here.

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=tv66k2qwfmb (http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=tv66k2qwfmb)

This is a little part of the room map that still  is not finished.
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9799/smapas.jpg)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Tue 07/12/2010 18:59:46
I tried the download but that site is so spammed I gave up... :-\
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Tue 07/12/2010 19:09:49
cianty, I have test to download and there is not problem.

Any page to upload the video?

By the way the video is a first attemp and not definitive either the animations.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Tue 07/12/2010 19:12:56
Oh, don't worry about me... I might just be stupid.

I tried to go to download, waited the X seconds and then was at the same page again where you enter that three-letter code. Anyways, again, don't worry about me...
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: subspark on Tue 07/12/2010 19:14:24
Sorry, quo_sp. I saw your name there in the first post, but when i hit reply, the silly forums put Cianty's name up first. I don't remember it doing that before. At least not often enough for me to double check.
Anyway, fixed above now. 8)

I use Photoshop as my main weapon of choice! It has all the features you need to create things from stunning pixel art right up to matte paintings for film.

Again, lovely work, quo_sp. The show must go on!

Cheers,
Sparky.

Edit: Hmm. I'm should see about mirroring that file of yours quo_sp. Some users seem to be having trouble getting to the download without being spammed. It only took me several clicks and I was there so I'm happy to take one for the team and re-host it somewhere on my dedicated server. If that's okay with you, of course?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Tue 07/12/2010 19:22:25
subspark it is okay for me, not problem.

Thank you
quo
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Tue 07/12/2010 19:34:32
Yay, I did it! Currently downloading.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: strangechicken on Tue 07/12/2010 21:05:21
QuoteThank you everybody for the support and sorry for my English, I’am planning to translate to English when be ready but this is the last part.

Your english is fine mate, I just noticed some of the screen shots had the GUI not in english, I was just wondering if it was to be translated, it would be a shame not to be able to play it like some of the Maniac Mansion fan games which unfortunately have no translations.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 08/12/2010 19:37:36
This is a not finished background of the film of the Marion's scene.

(http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/6516/tienda.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 09/12/2010 12:11:09
Awesome.
You wrote it's not finished, so I'm not commenting on the complete absence of shading.

However the perspective of the carpet in relation with the wooden thingie on the left (I don't know how you call it in English) is a bit awkward. I think the left side of the carpet is to blame. It should be more horizontal.

The viewer should also be able to see the top of the table on the left.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Thu 09/12/2010 14:50:27
Monsieur OUXX is absolutely right about the perspective of some of the furniture.
In my paintover I very roughly corrected the carpet, table and chair. They are very chunky and lack detail, but show how they could work.

My main gripe lies with the frame of the background. It's probably supposed to be the view through a window, but it's very hard to read.

My solution would be to show the outline of the tent:

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/tiendaPO.png)

The paintover is far from ideal, so should you want to go this way, it'll be best to construct the outline of the whole tent beforehand.

Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 09/12/2010 14:55:43
Quote from: Mad on Thu 09/12/2010 14:50:27
In my paintover I very roughly corrected the carpet, table and chair.

Mad's paintover also makes it more obvious that the chair is huge (even in the original drawing)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 10/12/2010 22:14:36
Thank you Mad and Monsieur for your apreciations. I noted too and I will remake it.

Mad your solution for paintover of the tent is better than mine, I diden't know how to do it and I think is a good idea your sample, I will try to do it following the construct of the tent.

I have another image.

Is a zoom of one part of the room map and that will be a part of a puzzle. It is not finished too, some elements and shades are missing.

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2268/smapar.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Sat 11/12/2010 20:05:18
Looks really great! Can´t wait to play at least a demo!
Indy in those Arab clothes its a nice touch.  ;)
I tried to do an Indy game myself but with no luck because I am not an artist. I find that to be the most difficult part of a game.

I speak Spanish, so if you need help with the translation I am up for the task.
Good luck, and don´t let this project die, sadly a lot of great projects never see the light.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cireja on Wed 15/12/2010 11:04:39
Oh, what they see my eyes?! An adventure in spanish! Fantastic, fantastic!!!

Muy chulos esos gráficos, sí señor! Muy bonitos! Seguiré tus progresos con atención.

:)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 20/12/2010 15:43:28
I have been improving the tent background with the fourniture and outline of the tent and applying the first shades, but I'm not convinced of the result.  :(

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1820/tiendar.png)

The sand texture effect for the floor is missing too.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Tue 21/12/2010 11:24:55
Made a paintover:

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/tiendarPO.png)

I'm absolutely no expert on two-point perspective, so if this is totally wrong, someone please correct me before I do any damage here!

On a different note, I think the composition of this BG is a bit off. If my memory serves me correctly, this is the tent where Belloq actually stays, so all the furniture shouldn't be pushed to the edge, where they aren't really much use. I know you are not quite finished, so I presume that you'll add a bed and other necessary things.

By the by, I totally love the idea of a Raiders game, and judging by the picts you've already shown us, you are doing a great job. Hope you'll see this through and keep up the good work!!!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 22/12/2010 15:39:44
Thank you mad, I will try to improve it.

Now, I'm trying to accelerate the backgrounds production. I'm trying to use real photos, modifiyng it and trying that don't seems so real as the original and the characters match with the background.

This is a sample don't finish yet. Left the original photograph, right the first attemps to modify it in FOA look.

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8628/rotlaesc.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 23/12/2010 08:49:29
I don't think there's anything wrong with modifying existing photos but it would definitely help to go back and clean up parts of the background to give it a more 'hand painted' look.  Right now everything is pretty heavily pixelated as a result of your modifications making everything too uniform.  Some focus on the column and rocks, cleaning them up would help make the screen look more like you'd made it yourself.  Also, some better aliasing along the skyline and adjusting the image colors to match your previous backgrounds would help, especially with regards to the color of the sand and overall brightness.

I wouldn't rely on this for every screen as you're not going to find a perfect photo to suit every screen in the game, but another approach could be to re-use some of the FoA screens that have common ground in your game.  Barnett College is an ideal example of a location you could re-use and make some modifications to in order to make some subtle changes (like remove some of the treasures from the hall case and some of the things in Indy's office).
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 23/12/2010 11:03:43
Thank you PropgZmax.  ;)

...thousen of clics later...

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8741/rotlasc1.png)

I can not get a good aliasing in the skyline.  :(, any idea?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: markbilly on Thu 23/12/2010 14:00:13
I think you need to reduce the colour depth. You have reds and greens and all sorts hidden away in the rocks and the sand if you zoom in a bit. It's what is making the scene look all grainy...

P.S. The colour depth reduction is something you will have to do by hand by painting over it - I tried in doing it using PSP and it doesn't really solve the problem that way. This probably ruins the idea of a quick method of doing backgrounds, though!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cat on Thu 23/12/2010 14:04:22
Have you considered tracing the photo instead of applying filters?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Igor Hardy on Thu 23/12/2010 14:12:07
I much preferred the previous backgrounds - they felt like from a real FoA sequel.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: markbilly on Thu 23/12/2010 14:13:56
To continue my point - this might be a good start:

(http://longevitygene.webs.com/raidersedit.png)

The you just need to clean up the "dotty" bits. And perhaps even add a few shades back once it's tidy.

Ignore Indy, I didn't remove him before messing with the colours! ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 23/12/2010 15:35:20
Thank you, I know what you want to say. In my last sample the column in the left that remains standing was remade completly as FOA techniques, can you notice the difference between the rest of the background?.

By the way, I have make it a little demo of this scenary to see how fit the characters in movement with this kind of background.  Can be download here:

http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=jwczsztvlkc (http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=jwczsztvlkc)

Sincerely, I'm not convinced of the result.  :(

(animations of Indy are not improved, are only for test)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Thu 23/12/2010 15:37:46
You should really use the same palette for the backgrounds.
See the difference? its the same desert but sand is different.
(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8741/rotlasc1.png)(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2268/smapar.png)


Still looks great! Looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 23/12/2010 16:04:19
I know Mati256, last bg was a test in order to accelerate production of backgrounds, but this way still I'm not sure if is a good option.  :(

Edit:
Some quickly corrections with the plains in the front.

(http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7016/rotlasc2.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: markbilly on Thu 23/12/2010 17:11:08
Keep going with what you've done in the last edit. There is nothing wrong with takes stills from the film and painting over them - if nothing else it will give the player a sense of familiarity and nostalgia. :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 23/12/2010 20:31:39
Here's a quick example of what I would do with the skyline for a start:

(http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr218/ProgZmax/rotlascl.png)

I made a quick 16 color light blue gradient and then went back and used some of those colors to alias around the mountains by hand to get rid of the jagged look.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 23/12/2010 22:53:38
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 23/12/2010 20:31:39
Here's a quick example of what I would do with the skyline for a start:

(http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr218/ProgZmax/rotlascl.png)

I made a quick 16 color light blue gradient and then went back and used some of those colors to alias around the mountains by hand to get rid of the jagged look.

Thank you very much, it is very usefull  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 27/12/2010 21:31:35
A few more corrections in the sand in front.

(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8210/rotlad.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Babar on Tue 28/12/2010 15:04:16
Actually, that "pile" to the left looks a bit grainy...as if it could be a pile of hay or something. You may wish to try removing some of that noise.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Wed 29/12/2010 04:54:34
Personally I think it adds character to the sand.  It makes it look like it's heaped over some rock formation that's crumbling underneath, which is supported by all the surrounding pillars.  Once he gets the background sand and the mountains adjusted the result will probably look much more convincing.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 29/12/2010 14:14:39
Thank you very much Babar and ProgZmax, I will try to improve it with your tips.

By the way in order to advance,  I have started a new background.

Those are the first steps:

(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/7098/cmapa.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Chicky on Wed 29/12/2010 14:38:53
You seem to be doing a great job of mixing your hand pixel work with the film stills. As ProgZ mentioned, tweak the colour of the photo to match your sand.

With the latest image i would suggest trying to add some of the hard shadows cast in the photo to your image, it will help determine the walkable areas when you add the map.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 29/12/2010 17:07:16
Chicky, about the lastes image, shades will be applied later, after finish the background.

A little more work of smothing.
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6316/cmapa1.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 30/12/2010 11:20:36
You want to be careful matching the scale of the scene since your Indy is considerably shorter than Indy is in the photo.  You might want to reduce the scale of the city as a result.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 30/12/2010 15:55:08
I know ProgZmax, but I think in this case it dosen't matter, by the way I have this same background from another angle that appear in the film too. So this backgroung can be view from two diferents angles.

I don't have show the other angle background in order not reveal too much, but I think is too late  :).
I showed a little part of this background, this:
(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9799/smapas.jpg)
Is the same background from other angle.

About the current backgroung I have advanced in the pictures in the wall, and only for test and not definitive I have added a few shades and light to see how will look when be finished.

(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5732/cmapa2.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: markbilly on Thu 30/12/2010 17:55:50
When you have drawn the city, you may want to reduce the saturation/contrast of the walls and ceiling, so the city remains the focus. The walls and ceiling contain much more complex textures than the city (judging by your preview of the other angle) and so if you are not careful this will force them to become the focus of the scene - which obviously isn't the aim.

I love what you are doing with this, by the way! :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Fri 31/12/2010 03:00:31
Really impressive quo! And the speed you are drawing this is also impressive!
Which software are you using?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Sat 01/01/2011 18:17:56
markbilly thank you I will have in mind when I improve it.

Mati256, as I try to simulate FOA way I have thinked that the best is to use the same tools that was used for FOA, so now I am using Deluxe paint II. Yes, it is an old program but I thin that still works for this kind of backgrounds. By the way for improve sure I will use another software, especialy for shades.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: subspark on Sat 01/01/2011 22:19:57
QuoteYou want to be careful matching the scale of the scene since your Indy is considerably shorter than Indy is in the photo
I agree care is required. Quo has it pretty much spot on, by making sure the center of the sunbeam goes right over the head of the staff, which in this case, it does.

Also Quo,
Agreeing with markbilly, when you've finished laying down the city and all the details that come with this room, you may want to consider applying some of those shade/blending techniques we spoke about a page back.
This space can look superb and inevitably will, I'm certain.

Top pixel work man. 1up! :)

Sparky.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Tue 04/01/2011 15:15:45
Just a minor nitpick from me.
If the wall paintings are not on plaster, but directly painted on the blocks of stone, one should still be able to see the seams.

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/tanisPO.png)

I did this very cheaply by applying lines with low opacity...

Otherwise great work, keep it up!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Tue 04/01/2011 19:07:41
Quote from: quo_sp on Sat 01/01/2011 18:17:56
markbilly thank you I will have in mind when I improve it.

Mati256, as I try to simulate FOA way I have thinked that the best is to use the same tools that was used for FOA, so now I am using Deluxe paint II. Yes, it is an old program but I thin that still works for this kind of backgrounds. By the way for improve sure I will use another software, especialy for shades.

Nothing wrong with DP2. It is still legendary.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Wed 05/01/2011 02:55:29
Look At: Ark

"I don't think that will work!"


;)


Remarkable work here!  The attention to detail is splendid.  Hopefully you'll be able to finish this and it doesn't go the way of the last ROLA fan project.


Cheers to you!


EDIT:

I don't know if you're considering making a full-length game based on this or if you're just doing a Tanis short game (your first post is a little unclear to me in that regard), but if you do drag this full length, here are some ideas I'd love to see:


1. A cooperative puzzle for the Flying Wing.  In some FOA puzzles you had to switch between Sophia and Indy to finish the puzzle; I could see something similar for the wing.  Marion would have a puzzle with the controls of the wing while Indy has to either outwit or fight the mechanic.

2. I could picture something like the car chase from FOA for the truck chase sequence.

3. Last Crusade just does the prologue as the unplayable opening credits; I hope you don't go that route here-- I'd really enjoy playing the Peru stage.


Cheers again!


EDIT 2:


One small thing on the Indy sprite (which I love); the sleeves aren't rolled.  Not a big deal, but Indy has his sleeves rolled in Cairo in the film, it might make for a neat detail in the game as well.


Again, very impressed with what you've done so far!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 05/01/2011 08:38:30
Thank you Mad and subspark for your usefull tips.  ;)

Joseph DiPerla really nothing wrong is a great software, I love it.  :)

BaptisteTheFool thank you very much.

I don’t know the last ROTLA project, what happened with it?

This is the part of Tanis, so initially will be a short game. This first part cover only the room map in the Tanis chapter. After finish this part I will continue with the Well of Souls in the Tanis chapter too, after this, would be the flying Wind or truck chasse. Each part will be added to the previous so the proyect will grow. When all Tanis Chapter be finished I can consider to starting with other chapters like by example, Cairo or Nepal.

So the idea is to finish complete playable parts and not embark on a complete project from the beginning because it's hard to finish. All parts finished will be joining with the others, so with the last exe you can play all finished parts.

Your idea for Flying Wing and truck chase are very good, thank you. For Peru stage I always wanted to play it, so when the time comes my idea is to make it playable.  :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Wed 05/01/2011 08:46:16
Hi quo_sp.

The last Raiders fan game was given a Cease & Desist letter by LucasArts.  The game was being made by a team called LucasFan Games.  They also released Maniac Mansion Deluxe.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 05/01/2011 10:01:14
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Wed 05/01/2011 08:46:16
Hi quo_sp.

The last Raiders fan game was given a Cease & Desist letter by LucasArts.  The game was being made by a team called LucasFan Games.  They also released Maniac Mansion Deluxe.

Hi BaptisteTheFool.

Even for a fan game LucasArts forced to cancel it?, ups, I don't like advance more in the game and be forced to cancel it. Do you think it is possible?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Wed 05/01/2011 10:07:47
Quote from: quo_sp on Wed 05/01/2011 10:01:14
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Wed 05/01/2011 08:46:16
Hi quo_sp.

The last Raiders fan game was given a Cease & Desist letter by LucasArts.  The game was being made by a team called LucasFan Games.  They also released Maniac Mansion Deluxe.

Hi BaptisteTheFool.

Even for a fan game LucasArts forced to cancel it?, ups, I don't like advance more in the game and be forced to cancel it. Do you think it is possible?

I wouldn't worry about it.  Honestly I don't think anyone really knows why they got the C&D letter.  And I've read some reports that suggest that they may never have really gotten one and may have stopped making the game for other reasons.

There are lots of other Indy fan games and similar projects and all have gone about with no legal interference.  The rule of thumb is that as long as you aren't profiting from it and it's clearly marked as a fan game, you should be fine.



On another note-- I'd love to lend support in any way I might on this project.  Can't assist with anything technical; I've no skills in programming or drawing.  But I could certainly assist with proofreading an English translation.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 05/01/2011 10:36:29
I think that the difference between other fan games of Indy and this is that the script or the history is not original and is based completely in film even the backgrounds.

But I thinked that no would have legal's problems becouse this is a fan game and a non-profit project.

For translations thank you your offer BaptisteTheFool  ;) sure I will need help.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Wed 05/01/2011 10:56:08
Well again, just proof-reading.  I only know a few phrases in Spanish so I don't know how much use I'll be in the initial translation phase. :)

Very excited for this project.  There have been a number of other Indy fan games, but none so perfectly capture the tone of FOA as yours seems to.  Your artwork would look right at home in Fate of Atlantis.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Wed 05/01/2011 11:32:23
Thanks BaptisteTheFool, but I'm still learning I am a begginer, a lot of credit goes to Deluxe Paint, it is a good program.  :)

Well, with the holidays I have had not much time to advance, only the stones on the left and some animation that you can see in part in the capture.

(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6987/ctanis5.png)

I have removed the shades and lights of test, will be added at the end, after finish all the details.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Unai on Wed 05/01/2011 16:39:16
(English below)

Hola! Me he enterado de tu proyecto en el foro de Fountain of Youth. ¡Que buena pinta!

No tengo ni idea de programar para AGS, pero me manejo en inglés, ¡así que si necesitas una mano con eso no dudes en decirlo!

Puedo traducir el texto y luego debería revisarlo un nativo (Como dijo BaptisteTheFool) para darle ese... toque Indiana.

¡Buena suerte con el proyecto!

---------------

Hey! I heard about your project at the Fountain of Youth forum. Looking good!

I have no clue on how to program for AGS, but I can handle english pretty well, so, if you ever need help with that, let me know!

I think I could translate the text and then someone native should proofread it (Like BaptisteTheFool said) to so it could be given that... Indiana taste.

Good Luck with the project!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: subspark on Wed 05/01/2011 23:25:46
Looking superb Quo. Coming along in considerable portions! ;)

Sweet!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Peanut Monkey on Thu 06/01/2011 00:24:50
The film was shown just tonight on UK TV, so that's put me even more in the mood for it!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: subspark on Thu 06/01/2011 03:05:48
Haha, I just love it when that happens!  ;D
Sparky.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 10/01/2011 09:11:51
Thank you Unai for your offer  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Mon 10/01/2011 21:56:08
I adore the banner you made for the game, quo!  So much detail for such a small graphic.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Tue 11/01/2011 07:24:17
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Mon 10/01/2011 21:56:08
I adore the banner you made for the game, quo!  So much detail for such a small graphic.

I'am glad you like it,  :).

The image of the banner is part of an unfinished animation that I started at begining, but as part of a more advanced section of Tanis I left it to be continued when the turn of the section came.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: subspark on Tue 11/01/2011 11:35:43
Brilliant! This game looks extremely promising. Keep up the fancy work, Quo!
Your images are gorgeous.

Sparky.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Wed 12/01/2011 19:39:57
Indeed they are... oohhh how I wish I had this kind of talent...
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 13/01/2011 09:01:47
Thank you  ;)

A little more details, and color base for the map and the floor (without texture work).

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6316/cmapa1.png)

I've also been testing the effects of shadows trying to give volume to the scene and aging the stone blocks.

In this zoom can be apreciate the irregular shade effect on the top of the vault.

(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3106/cmapa1gr.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 13/01/2011 11:18:29


Why won't you let me help youuuuuu? :'-(
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Thu 13/01/2011 17:20:17
I think you've progressed to the point where posting your images in the CL is only going to slow down the development of your game.  Your latest one is more than good enough for a freeware game so my advice is to just get on with the game and only post work you really think you need help with.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Igor Hardy on Thu 13/01/2011 17:28:01
Quote from: ProgZmax on Thu 13/01/2011 17:20:17
I think you've progressed to the point where posting your images in the CL is only going to slow down the development of your game.  Your latest one is more than good enough for a freeware game so my advice is to just get on with the game and only post work you really think you need help with.

These words couldn't be more true. I'm really impressed how this is coming together.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Thu 13/01/2011 19:50:44
I agree! This is just beautiful and I would love to see the full game (in English). :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Joseph DiPerla on Thu 13/01/2011 19:56:44
Yeah, then when you are done with this one, go on over and help out the FoY team. :P
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Thu 13/01/2011 21:51:16
It goes without saying at this point, but WOW!!!   :o


Best of luck, man.  You've produced some phenomenal stuff so far.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: evenwolf on Fri 14/01/2011 10:31:56
Love everything about this.   Keep in touch.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Tue 01/02/2011 16:37:54
Well, I have been advancing the production of the game, but now I have started a new background necesary to continue with project.

This is an unfinished background and some elements are missing, but before continue and in order to avoid to remake parts, do you think there is something to improve or perspective errors?

Below the source images that is based the background.

(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6678/almacen1.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Tue 01/02/2011 16:47:07
Quote from: quo_sp on Tue 01/02/2011 16:37:54
do you think there is something to improve or perspective errors?

You're right to ask about the perspective. The perspective is correct provided you make it clear for the viewer that everything behind the middle tent (on its right) is a hill. It wasn't a hill in the original picture but you made it a hill because you slightly modified the perspectives of the columns row, and made the right tent appear farther (though bigger) than the left tent. You've probabli been tricked by the panoramic shot from the movie.

You could achieve that "hill" effect by changing the shade of the ground, for example.

Also, of course don't forget the sahdows dropped by each tent, but I'm sure you'll add that in the final version.

To finish, the perspective of the bags on the ground at the bottom of the columms is a bit inconsistent. For example it doesn't match the perspective of the columns. It makes the whole column row look awkward. Maybe you should ask yourself why the "face" of the bags perfectly face the camera, while their side is also visible and folows a one-point perspective. It's a bit Picasso-like (you see the face AND the side at the same time).
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Tue 01/02/2011 17:10:58
Le Monsieur is right, but man, do I love these screenshots! :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Tue 01/02/2011 17:29:12
I don't think you need to alter that much to get the perspective right in this.
I guess the palm trees are the major culprits here: Judging from the movie scenes, they are very tall, but in your image they just seem to draw the horizon to the front creating the illusion of a steep hill. This is caused by a lack of known size reference for the eye/brain to compare the palm trees to. By adding the cars and/or tents to the far back, as seen in the photos, you'll have such a reference, and I think that will make all the difference.

I hope my rantings do make some sense, but I guess to find out, you'll need to try my ideas.

One other easy way to create the illusion of distance is of course to lose detail the further back you go. In your case that would be the graining of the sand.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Wed 02/02/2011 08:29:25
Quote from: cianty on Tue 01/02/2011 17:10:58
Le Monsieur is right, but man, do I love these screenshots! :)

+1. That's the thing I didn't emphasize enough on ;) I'm still craving for that game.


Quote
The palm trees (...) create the illusion of a steep hill.
This is caused by a lack of known size reference for the eye/brain to compare the palm trees to. (...)
That's another way to clearly show there's a hill (or to remove the hill), as opposed to the one I suggested. But the issue is definitely this awkwardly-handled hill.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 03/02/2011 14:51:24
Thank you very much for your usefull tips

Monsieur OUXX, I have improved the bags and I think I have corrected the hill effect.

Mad, I have added the car and the tower, tents are still missing, trying to create an ilusion of distance.

I have worked too the sand texture of all the ground.

(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4277/almacen2.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 03/02/2011 16:59:35
You wrote that you corrected the hill. I assume you did it by darkening the ground on the left, but not on the right, to show that the left part is horizontal, but the right part is more exposed to the sun?

If so, then the limit between the dark and the light part is still confusing for the eye, because IF it's supposed to be the limnit between horizontal ground and "hill" ground, then it's not consistent with the perspective and the light source of the scene.

Maybe you should consider materializing that limit as a horizontal line running between behind Indy and the bigger tent instead. You could be having a long, horizontal stripe of darker ground at the bottom of the scene, coming from the "Lavanderia" sign and running under Indy's feet.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Thu 03/02/2011 20:12:26
Love the new screens.  Though I agree, when you study it really closely, something is slightly askew on the right side.

I have one very small criticism, quo.  On the Indy sprite, his bag strap sits really awkwardly.  This might be nit-picking since I collect Indy gear and own that very same bag, but it sits at his hip, not under his arm.

Excuse my hasty paintover, I lack your skills, but I just wanted to demonstrate my point:

Mine:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/TheResidentAlien/Indystrappaintover.png)

Yours:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/TheResidentAlien/Indystraporig.png)


And hell, if we really wanted to get nitpicky, Indy actually wears his strap on the opposite shoulder...  It runs from right shoulder to left hip.


This would be as it was in the film:
(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h282/TheResidentAlien/IndystrappaintoverScreenAccurate.png)




But... just a small detail.  Take of it what you will...
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Thu 03/02/2011 21:33:12
just another few ideas:

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/DessertPO.png)

- added tyre tracks fanishing into the distance and a shadow under truck
- made a well trodden path to the left
- tinted the background elements and horizon with the sky colour.

The only other thing I'd maybe change is the washing line, it's very solid looking and therefore quite distracting. If you've got PS or Gimp etc. put the line into a separate layer and make it semi-transparent. Might do the trick, it's worth the try!

When you've added the tents in the background, I think you'll have yourself a really exellent BG and should move on to other things! (...and get the damned game finished ;))

Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Chicky on Fri 04/02/2011 00:49:10
I would add some black pixels with 35% transparency to outside of the washing line, this will make it smoother. Try layering them up a bit.

messy edit:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2edb7lx.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Sat 05/02/2011 18:28:45

Thank you very much for the examples and the tips, are very usefull, I will try to implement it and continue with the development.  ;)


BaptisteTheFool, You are right with the sprite of indy, your version is more accurate, thank you I will try to improve it.  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Sun 06/02/2011 03:00:05
Awesome Quo!
Do you have blog or something like that so we can keep track of you progress?
Also, I see you are aiming for an spanish speaking audience with that "Lavandería" sign. Thats funny, just the other day I was thinking about games and their translations.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Digital Mosaic Games on Tue 08/02/2011 14:14:27
Really fantastic indy-styled backgrounds in here... I'll keep this project in mind.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Wed 09/02/2011 14:10:14
A picture is better than 1000 words.

(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4411/topooc.png)

And don't forget to increase the shadow under each tent. So far you're really shy with it. It makes them look like they're not part of the scene.

Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 10/02/2011 10:20:07
Thank you very much Ouxxey_games, good work  ;), I will try to follow your recomendations, I have let it this BG to improve later in order to advance in the development. Now I'am working with other BG that has much to do with the previous.

Mati256, I have a blog but it is not finished becouse I have no time, the priority is the development of the game. By the way the blog it is not still translated. I will inform of the blog when be ready. About the translations, my idea is to translate the game to English including the signs.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: doctorfargo on Fri 11/02/2011 22:47:56
Your artwork looks great!  ;D
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Tue 22/02/2011 15:25:14
Well I have advanced the script, but now I am working in some sprites of the dig, and now I have improved the sprite of Indy.

I have fixed the bag strap to the correct shoulder as appear in the film and I have added the wip and the holster for the gun too, and reworked a little the shirt.

I think it's a bit more work, becouse I have to work with animations of sprites for each side, becouse now, left and right side must to be diferent.

This is the new look, I think it is a little more "raiders".

(http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/775/20588480.png)

By the way, this is a sample of a german soldier in the dig.
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6770/soldfum.gif)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Tue 22/02/2011 16:50:21
Quo, you're a miracle-worker!   :o


I'm salivating; the sprites are gorgeous!! :D
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 24/02/2011 11:13:09
The rest of the sides.

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7854/jones2.png)

And the front walkcycle

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8562/indyfrenteanim.gif)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cat on Thu 24/02/2011 12:11:40
The head can bounce up and down a bit in the front walkcycle, but it should definitely not bounce left and right.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Thu 24/02/2011 13:34:01
Just a minor thing, really, but shouldn't there be a bag at the end of that shoulder strap.
As I said, it's not that important, so take it or leave it.

... you're still doing great stuff here IMHO!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Thu 24/02/2011 15:07:14
I am the only one who can't see any imageshack pictures?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 24/02/2011 15:19:29
Quote from: cat on Thu 24/02/2011 12:11:40
The head can bounce up and down a bit in the front walkcycle, but it should definitely not bounce left and right.

Thank you cat, what about now?
(http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5922/indyfrenteanimok.gif)

Mad, you are right, the bag is missing, I decided not include it, maybe in future versions.

Mati256, for me imageshack pictures is OK.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: arj0n on Thu 24/02/2011 15:52:05
Quote from: Mati256 on Thu 24/02/2011 15:07:14
I am the only one who can't see any imageshack pictures?
You seem to be the only one...
If you could see them before: maybe clean your cache
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Monsieur OUXX on Thu 24/02/2011 16:02:47
Quote from: quo_sp on Thu 24/02/2011 15:19:29
Quote from: cat on Thu 24/02/2011 12:11:40
The head can bounce up and down a bit

Thank you cat, what about now?

Perfect.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Gilbert on Thu 24/02/2011 16:16:58
Quote from: Mati256 on Thu 24/02/2011 15:07:14
I am the only one who can't see any imageshack pictures?

No, I cannot view any linked imageshack images since (I think) yesterday either. This happens on both the system in the office and this one at home, so I think they either for some reasons blocked access from some regions or something b0rked recently.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cat on Thu 24/02/2011 16:23:12
Quote from: quo_sp on Thu 24/02/2011 15:19:29
Thank you cat, what about now?

Much better now!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Thu 24/02/2011 16:24:01
Quote from: Iceboty V7000a on Thu 24/02/2011 16:16:58
Quote from: Mati256 on Thu 24/02/2011 15:07:14
I am the only one who can't see any imageshack pictures?

No, I cannot view any linked imageshack images since (I think) yesterday either. This happens on both the system in the office and this one at home, so I think they either for some reasons blocked access from some regions or something b0rked recently.

Looks like it's something regional. Some people around the Internet are giving different solutions. They say if you create an account at Imageshack then you can see the images. Others say you must register the domain (in this case www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk), and others say it just worked alright with the time without doing anything.
I will wait and see, anyway I should be studding and not posting here!!

PD: Sorry for derailing the topic.  :-[
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Thu 24/02/2011 18:37:41
Just chiming in more encouragement.  That second walk-cycle looks great to me!  ;D

By the way...

You mentioned you may add the bag later--

The bag is actually a green canvas, not brown as I've often seen it depicted.  Should you decide to add it, perhaps that could make it easier to draw in too since it won't fade in with the whip.


-merged posts.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 03/03/2011 16:44:04
BaptisteTheFool, i will have in mind for future revisions, now I want to advance all I can.  ;)

Actually I am working with the demo, scripting, animations  and adding objects and details for the demo backgrounds.

I have reworked some backgrounds too, here an example, left actually BG compared with old BG.

(http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3163/entradasmapa.png)

This is a character that will appear in the demo, with part of his set.

(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/8777/setb.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Thu 03/03/2011 17:07:23
Looking awesome Quo. Do you have any ETA on the demo?  ;D

EDIT: This could be moved to the Work in Progress section maybe?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Thu 03/03/2011 18:35:46
Looking great indeed!  ;D

Keep at it, quo-- your work is incredible!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Unai on Thu 03/03/2011 19:07:14
Quote from: Mati256 on Thu 03/03/2011 17:07:23
Looking awesome Quo. Do you have any ETA on the demo?  ;D

I think quo_sp will be as clueless as me, so since i already googled it...

quo_sp, ETA means "Estimated time of arrival" :D
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Thu 03/03/2011 19:29:39
Quote from: quo_sp on Thu 03/03/2011 16:44:04
BaptisteTheFool, i will have in mind for future revisions, now I want to advance all I can.  ;)

Actually I am working with the demo, scripting, animations  and adding objects and details for the demo backgrounds.

I have reworked some backgrounds too, here an example, left actually BG compared with old BG.

I actually think that both versions have their merits. I like the flowing hard sand of your first version, but I see your point in making this BG grainier to better tie in with the others. Each of the versions go a bit far IMO, that's why I tried to blend them together.

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/TanisPO03.png)

I also tried to tighten the colour scheme and changed some of the values in the background, since I found them to be to dark.
Also, I attemted to make another small hillock leading down the slope behind Indy creating a kind of middleground. It didn't turn out quite as clear as I wanted, but maybe that's something you could think about adding.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Thu 03/03/2011 19:34:09
I do agree with Mad.  I think a little middle ground won't hurt.  I like his revision a good deal.

Though I think one could also go mad with endless tinkering...  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 04/03/2011 18:11:21
Mad, your revision is awesome,  I like it ;), and you was right  I made BG grainier to better tie in with the others BG.

Mati256, I still have no date, I can not work all days in the development so it is deficult to stimate a date, but I hope will be soon.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Fri 04/03/2011 19:28:44
I actually prefer the original for a few reasons:

1.  The grit looks more like sand.
2.  There's a nice variation of color patches especially in the background that's lost when they're blended.

Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Sat 26/03/2011 22:30:07
Hello, Spanish demo is ready, This is a short demo, but I'm working  expanding it, then I wil translate the final version of the demo to English.

Anyway Spanish speakers can dowload the demo from the spanish indiana jones website.

http://www.indianajones.es/videojuegos/raiders-aventura.php (http://www.indianajones.es/videojuegos/raiders-aventura.php)

Hope enjoy. :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Sat 26/03/2011 23:15:16
Damn. Makes me wish I had taken Spanish lessons instead of French. :) Well, I can wait I guess...

By the way - wow: "www.IndianaJones.es"? That doesn't look like a domain name one could keep for too long. ::)
Judging from the content the site does seem big though. I would assume Lucas Arts is more protective about their IP. Sorry, don't mean to derail this thread.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Sun 27/03/2011 00:09:27
 :o

Anyone working on a translation yet?
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Sun 27/03/2011 00:13:59
Congratulations Quo!
I played it yesterday. :D
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 28/03/2011 21:47:20
Cianty, indianajones.es is a big spanish fan community of indiana jones.  ;)

BaptisteTheFool I have translated part of the demo. Hope will be ready soon.  :)

Thank you Mati256.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Mon 28/03/2011 23:35:19
Quote from: quo_sp on Mon 28/03/2011 21:47:20
Cianty, indianajones.es is a big spanish fan community of indiana jones.  ;)

Yeah, the site sure looks big. Cool stuff!

I hope you'll finish the translation soon. :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 07/04/2011 11:44:52
Well, the translate of the sort demo to English hope will be ready for next week, while I’m working in the extended demo.  :)

By the way, after the room map chapter, Indy will have to put his wested leather jacket again, so thinking  in the future I have planed to remade the original FOA sprite to make it a little more raiders, using originals capture of the films and parts of the FOA sprite (the face by example).

This is a sample comparing FOA sprite (left) with mine (right).

(http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/1553/indycompgr1.png)

The pose of my sprite is based  in this capture of the temple of doom.
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1125/originalw.png)

By the way a few characters that in part will appear in the extended demo. From left to right, Belloq, Dietrich, Gobler and various soldiers of the dig.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2mz39f.png)

I have advance more backgrounds too. In order to make it the sand lees grainier I have working in to improve the texture, this is an example of the left side of a new background.
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/1743/tiendag.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Thu 07/04/2011 16:11:39
As usual this is some stunningly beautiful stuff. The soldiers look great!

I also like your new Indy sprite. However, I think the head should be moved at least one pixel back - right now it looks like he's.. dunno... it reminds me of a hen.. :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Thu 07/04/2011 16:50:48
Thank you cianty.
I think that in this other frame the "hen effect"  ;D is corrected.

(http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/3121/indysec.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mati256 on Thu 07/04/2011 16:51:09
Those soldiers look better than the original ones.  :o
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Thu 07/04/2011 18:02:56
Yep, much better indeed.  :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: theo on Thu 07/04/2011 19:54:55
Characters look awesome, man! Specially like Dietrich. Not sure why though.

Good job:)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: nads on Fri 08/04/2011 02:25:02
Looking awesome at the moment. Loved Raiders. Can't wait to try out the demo next week. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens on Fri 08/04/2011 02:50:17
With your skill I'd rather see you draw these in your own style but at least you're not stripping the sprites and using them directly, so that's good.  Personally, I think you could do better than the FoA sprites based on your work so far but if this is all about nostalgia then I understand the desire to have it 'look' a certain way.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Torsten on Fri 08/04/2011 08:11:38
Hello.

Sorry for my bad Englisch. I would like to ask something. Is this game somewho connected to this project?

http://www.adventure-treff.de/artikel/features/lucasfan_vorschau.php
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 09:28:05
Quote from: Torsten on Fri 08/04/2011 08:11:38
Hello.

Sorry for my bad Englisch. I would like to ask something. Is this game somewho connected to this project?

http://www.adventure-treff.de/artikel/features/lucasfan_vorschau.php

No, that's the game that was supposedly cease and desisted.  Thanks!  I've never seen those images!

Does anyone know if Torsten's link is recent?  I couldn't find a date and I don't speak German.





Quo:  Brilliant as always!  Next week can't come soon enough!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 09:55:53
Thank you nads and Theo, Dietrich character is based on Kerner of FOA.

ProgZmax is a question of time too, I can develop the game more fast if I use other base sprites, but after I can replace it if necesary :)

Torsten, it is not conected, I never seen this captures either, thank you very much :) it looks awesome.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: The Last To Know on Fri 08/04/2011 12:39:14
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 09:28:05
Does anyone know if Torsten's link is recent?  I couldn't find a date and I don't speak German.

Adventure-Treff posted this on April 1st 2011:
http://www.adventure-treff.de/kommentar.php?newsid=5266
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Matti on Fri 08/04/2011 13:04:35
To clarify: Yeah, it is a recent post.

LucasFan (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?action=profile;u=110) announced the game 6 years ago (on the AGS forums (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=22472.0) too), then disappeared for years and seems to be back now, with ten different projects he has been and still is working on. Damn april fools indeed!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 15:15:40
Quote from: S-Made on Fri 08/04/2011 12:39:14
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 09:28:05
Does anyone know if Torsten's link is recent?  I couldn't find a date and I don't speak German.

Adventure-Treff posted this on April 1st 2011:
http://www.adventure-treff.de/kommentar.php?newsid=5266


Glorious!  Two incredible Raiders games in the works!

--pardon me, though, if I'm more excited for Quo's. ;)


Edit:

Ah, wait.

Posted it on April 1st, though.  Gah, now its veracity is suspect!  Damn that day!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 16:02:47
I have revised the sprite, left old, right current revised, the old sprite seemed a bit thin.

(http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/3121/indysec.png) (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9297/indyrev1.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 16:24:20
Quote from: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 16:02:47
I have revised the sprite, left old, right current revised, the old sprite seemed a bit thin.

(http://img858.imageshack.us/img858/3121/indysec.png) (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9297/indyrev1.png)

My one comment is on the nature of the brim.  It seems to curl rather violently-- more like a cowboy hat than a fedora.

...but with so few pixels, that's really just nitpicking.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Fri 08/04/2011 16:43:28
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 15:15:40
Posted it on April 1st, though.  Gah, now its veracity is suspect!  Damn that day!

The comments (also by the author) suggest that it is not a joke. The poster (not LucasFan himself) even mentioned that he is personally involved in the music for that specific Raiders game.

@quo: The new sprite look better indeed. I think I agree with Baptiste on the hat, but it still looks good (and not like a lame copy-paste job). By the way, I like your screenshots for your RotLA game much better than those others. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 17:16:36
Thank you Baptiste and cianty.

I have revised the hat.

(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/1233/indyrev2.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 17:24:54
I actually like that less...

Gimme a few minutes to try and muck around with it in Photoshop...


Daaaaaamn, this is hard... still mucking...

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/453/indyhat.png)


My goal was to try to lower the brim of the hat, create a clean sweep from front to back and try and distinguish the ribbon from the brim.

Ultimately I only ended up moving two pixels (compare to yours), but I think it helps some.  It is fantastically hard to do with so few pixels, and so once again quo, my fedora goes off to you.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 22:49:16
It is not easy,  :(

This is a new version, I think is a bit better, it seems more fedora I think.

(http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6387/indymod1.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 22:53:41
I think it's much too dark.  And the back of the brim seems perhaps too big.  But really the shape's not bad.  It's just the color is much too dark.  Looks almost black.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 22:58:26
Without the blue can apreciate better the shape, well later, I will work to try to improve the color.

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7862/indymod2.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 23:02:44
Quote from: quo_sp on Fri 08/04/2011 22:58:26
Without the blue can apreciate better the shape, well later, I will work to try to improve the color.

(http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7862/indymod2.png)

I like the shape well enough, but it's still much too dark.  I prefer the shades you used in the earlier revision.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Guybrush Nosehair on Fri 08/04/2011 23:14:30
I hope I'm not interrupting anything important here, but everything looks like it's shaping up great! Unfortunately, I don't speak Spanish and am waiting (impatiently) for a translated demo. When can we expect to see this?

This all looks top notch. I must agree with the previous poster who said that Indy's jacket and hat are too dark. Otherwise, he's looking great.

I really do hope that you follow through with your plans to replicate the entire movie, and don't just stick to Tanis.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 23:23:52
Quote from: grim107 on Fri 08/04/2011 23:14:30
I hope I'm not interrupting anything important here, but everything looks like it's shaping up great! Unfortunately, I don't speak Spanish and am waiting (impatiently) for a translated demo. When can we expect to see this?

This all looks top notch. I must agree with the previous poster who said that Indy's jacket and hat are too dark. Otherwise, he's looking great.

I really do hope that you follow through with your plans to replicate the entire movie, and don't just stick to Tanis.

Don't know that I agree with you on your assessment on the jacket, though.  The Raiders jacket is a fickle thing, but it certainly appears very dark in most scenes.  Perhaps Quo's jacket could be a hair lighter, but it's not too bad.  The fedora, on the other hand, is far far far darker than it should be.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Guybrush Nosehair on Sat 09/04/2011 00:49:49
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Fri 08/04/2011 23:23:52
Don't know that I agree with you on your assessment on the jacket, though.  The Raiders jacket is a fickle thing, but it certainly appears very dark in most scenes.  Perhaps Quo's jacket could be a hair lighter, but it's not too bad.  The fedora, on the other hand, is far far far darker than it should be.

I guess you're right about the jacket. I'm so used to seeing the FoA and LC sprites that I associated the color with "real" Indy. I still think it should be a little lighter.

I know I'm late on this, but I want to say that I love how the gun holster moves in Indy's walking animation.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Sat 09/04/2011 01:06:08
I'm confident that if he lightened the hat, the jacket would look better to you.  It's the contrast that does it.

Compare to this sprite:

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/453/indyhat.png)


The jacket is a bit lighter here, but the hat is A LOT lighter.  That contrast makes all the difference.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: doctorfargo on Sun 10/04/2011 00:28:26
Quote from: quo_sp on Thu 07/04/2011 11:44:52
Well, the translate of the sort demo to English hope will be ready for next week, while I’m working in the extended demo.  :)

Looking forward to the English version of the demo!  :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Guybrush Nosehair on Sun 10/04/2011 16:42:06
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Sat 09/04/2011 01:06:08
I'm confident that if he lightened the hat, the jacket would look better to you.  It's the contrast that does it.

Compare to this sprite:

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/453/indyhat.png)


The jacket is a bit lighter here, but the hat is A LOT lighter.  That contrast makes all the difference.

Perfect  :).
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Sun 10/04/2011 19:12:22
Quote from: grim107 on Sun 10/04/2011 16:42:06
Quote from: BaptisteTheFool on Sat 09/04/2011 01:06:08
I'm confident that if he lightened the hat, the jacket would look better to you.  It's the contrast that does it.

Compare to this sprite:

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/453/indyhat.png)


The jacket is a bit lighter here, but the hat is A LOT lighter.  That contrast makes all the difference.

Perfect  :).



Yeah, I kinda think Quo should go with that.  As said before, the only thing I changed was to move two of the dark pixels down one on the hat.  But I think it better defines the sweep of the brim.


So how about it, Quo?  :D
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Sun 10/04/2011 21:45:01
Quote from: grim107 on Fri 08/04/2011 23:14:30
I hope I'm not interrupting anything important here, but everything looks like it's shaping up great! Unfortunately, I don't speak Spanish and am waiting (impatiently) for a translated demo. When can we expect to see this?


Hope next week be ready :)

First I'm going to finish tanis part, after maybe continue with other parts.


Batiste your modifications are good, I will try to light a little the jacket.

Other version of the hat for test.
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6387/indymod1.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Sun 10/04/2011 22:49:41
Quote from: quo_sp on Sun 10/04/2011 21:45:01
Quote from: grim107 on Fri 08/04/2011 23:14:30
I hope I'm not interrupting anything important here, but everything looks like it's shaping up great! Unfortunately, I don't speak Spanish and am waiting (impatiently) for a translated demo. When can we expect to see this?


Hope next week be ready :)

First I'm going to finish tanis part, after maybe continue with other parts.


Batiste your modifications are good, I will try to light a little the jacket.

Other version of the hat for test.
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/6387/indymod1.png)



Problems I have with that hat...

It appears very droopy and the brim seems to dip dramatically along the back.  Also, the front-pinch appears to have a steep backward incline.  None of these things are characteristic of the Raiders hat.


The raiders hat has a tight, sharp pinch.  It should be high and square like in your earlier drafts.  The brim also pitches downward in the front.  Actually it has a thing called a turn wherein the pinch sits off-center with the brim, but there's no way you'd be able to replicate that in such a tiny scale.  The brim actually should almost scoop back up along the back... almost, but it's so subtle on the film hat that you won't be able to replicate it on such a small figure.  Either way, pitching down is wrong.

The color is a lot better, though!  I prefer the shape of the earlier hat.


(http://magiclanternfilm.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/raiders.jpg)


See above for comparison.
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 11/04/2011 09:09:32
Thank you Batiste, good apreciations :)

So, finally I think that the original FOA hat is the better.

So, returning to the original, I have modified it a little.
In the center the original hat, and in left and right two different modifications.

(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1189/raidershat.png)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: Mad on Mon 11/04/2011 10:18:58
Just had to have a go at this!

(http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab12/Mad1978/IndyPO.png)

I just fiddled about with the colours and shading a bit. I tried to simplify the sprite and give it some clearer lines and therefore make it easier to read.

Keep up the superb work!!!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: BaptisteTheFool on Mon 11/04/2011 11:44:00
Quote from: quo_sp on Mon 11/04/2011 09:09:32
Thank you Batiste, good apreciations :)

So, finally I think that the original FOA hat is the better.

So, returning to the original, I have modified it a little.
In the center the original hat, and in left and right two different modifications.

(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1189/raidershat.png)



I'm all for the center.


Spectacular work, Quo.  Keep at it, man!  I'll tell ya, I check this site first thing when I wake up in the hopes of new updates on your project.  Very exciting! :)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Mon 11/04/2011 14:16:42
Thank you Mad, it is more detailed version  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: hansolo1970 on Sat 23/04/2011 14:45:46
Dear quo_sp
Your work is very committed and enthusiastic.
Congratulations for a very well done job so far.
Your detail in your artwork is really impressive my friend.
I hope you soon finish the English demo translation so we all
can enjoy your demo.
Keep up the good work and keep as posted…
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Sat 23/04/2011 21:21:48
Thank you hansolo1970, the English demo will be ready for download very soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: cianty on Mon 25/04/2011 21:08:10
Quote from: quo_sp on Sat 23/04/2011 21:21:48
Thank you hansolo1970, the English demo will be ready for download very soon.  ;)

Yay!!
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: quo_sp on Fri 06/05/2011 09:56:08
English demo is ready.  :)

http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=43451.0 (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/yabb/index.php?topic=43451.0)
Title: Re: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Tanis
Post by: hansolo1970 on Fri 06/05/2011 12:10:29
Dear quo,
i  am  happy that you you finished your  english demo version
i am certainly that you ve done a marvelous job as always
i will download it and enjoy it

thanks from all of us adventures gamers

i will post you again after...

!!!


Edit:

Dear quo,
i just finish the demo.....
very good job i must say...
(smart riddle with Marion dress to dry up in the wind)
so I you saw at the end of the demo you named your dog Whiskey ...great name for a dog

remember  indy had his name from his father dog... Indiana ....
Indiana Jones is a wonderfull character to work on Movies and Adventure games

DONT GIVE UP UNTILL YOU FINISH DEAR QUO
CONGRADULATIONS AGAIN...
hansolo1970



Please don't double post, especially not in such a short time span.
-ProgZ