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Title: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Mati256 on 22 Jul 2015, 00:44
Are you guys planing on updating?
I'm using Seven and don't like Windows 8, so I'm looking for opinions.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: WHAM on 22 Jul 2015, 08:42
It's free, it's new and it's interesting enough.
I've been running Win8 and lately Win8.1, mostly for the better performance and startup times compared to Win7, so I'll be updating just to keep up with the times and tech.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Gribbler on 22 Jul 2015, 09:03
I don't think you have a choice. Everyone will use it. Eventually. :)
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: selmiak on 22 Jul 2015, 13:04
I was running win 8.1 for ~1 month and even with classic shell it annoyed me so much I went back to win7. I will only move once support/updates/securityfixes for win7 stops. And maybe some severe security flaws are discovered. By the time win7 support ends the users will have moved to newer operating systems already and thus the hackers will hopefully have moved there too.
As everything moves into the cloud and towards remote access of unkown origin (and maybe a total killswitchbackdoor) I think win7 will be the last win for me and by the time win7 is outdated linux will have complete support for the adobe creative suite or gimp is a reasonable PS alternative and there I go...
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Yitcomics on 22 Jul 2015, 13:07
I am using win 7 currently,I wont immediately upgrade to win 10,probably check a few review first .But im guessing probably almost everyone will upgrade to win 10 since its free and that would make support for older os die out faster.I'm surprise that there is still support for win xp,its just a matter of time before I will be force to use win10,so I guess better get it while its free.

But I have 2 laptops,so I can update one and leave win7 for the other one in case of anything.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: dbuske on 22 Jul 2015, 15:59
Dumb question, where is windows 9???
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: selmiak on 22 Jul 2015, 16:01
I'm surprise that there is still support for win xp...
Support for WinXP ended on April 8th 2014.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Crimson Wizard on 22 Jul 2015, 16:05
Dumb question, where is windows 9???

Because there was Windows 95 and 98 Microsoft decided to not use number 9 to avoid possible confusion:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/191279-why-is-it-called-windows-10-not-windows-9

(Alternate theory was that lots of programs checked for number "9" in OS name to detect if thats an "old version" of Windows).
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: kconan on 22 Jul 2015, 16:51
I've been using the Windows 10 preview since earlier in the year.  Its good stuff, once you make the menus look like old school Windows.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Yitcomics on 22 Jul 2015, 17:18
Support for WinXP ended on April 8th 2014.
Well I didn't keep up to date :-[ but hey that's a long time :grin:
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Gribbler on 22 Jul 2015, 18:01
Quote from: dbuske
Dumb question, where is windows 9???
It's dancing in the moonlight with Larry 4 :)
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Radiant on 22 Jul 2015, 22:44
Not particularly interested in upgrading. I'm still using seven and it does everything I need, and based on my experience the newer version of, well, anything requires a more powerful computer.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Nikolas on 23 Jul 2015, 17:14
Problem is that actually newer software (Finale, for example) don't like older windows... So eventually, once the composers update their software, I will also be forced to update! :(
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: LimpingFish on 25 Jul 2015, 01:55
...once you make the menus look like old school Windows.

This is what I've been doing since Vista! At least the Start menu is back.

I'll wait until a service pack hits before upgrading.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Saurabh on 27 Jul 2015, 16:36
It is free doesn't mean it is good for you. I won't be upgrading because old games will probably be even harder to run on windows 10. I use my pc exclusively for gaming.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Ryan Timothy B on 28 Jul 2015, 03:05
Recently the internet just blew up about Windows 10 storing your wifi passwords in the Microsoft cloud. This is what Google and I believe Apple have been doing for how many years now with mobile? I don't get why when it's happening with a computer they suddenly get butt-hurt about it [excuse my Canadian language].

You can disable it either way, but why do they feel they're being violated somehow? I agree there should probably be a checkbox when you add a wifi connection saying "Remember this password in the cloud" or other.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: David Ostman on 28 Jul 2015, 09:06
Yeah. I didn't even know about this, and now that I do know I just don't care as much as I would have a few years back. If someone is close enough to connect to my WiFi and want to do me, specifically, harm I'd be more concerned about other things than them accessing my wifi...
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Theonlyjb on 28 Jul 2015, 09:42
Dumb question, where is windows 9???

Windows 9 was never made they skipped and went straight to 10
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: OneDollar on 01 Aug 2015, 18:54
Recently the internet just blew up about Windows 10 storing your wifi passwords in the Microsoft cloud. This is what Google and I believe Apple have been doing for how many years now with mobile? I don't get why when it's happening with a computer they suddenly get butt-hurt about it [excuse my Canadian language].

That's not the issue. The problem is that they ask you if you want to share those details with your contacts. Let's say I bring my Windows 10 laptop or phone (that I've connected to my Outlook or Facebook account) round to your house and you give me your WiFi key. If I choose to share the connection with my contacts when I join suddenly my friends, family and the plumber I emailed last year can also join your WiFi, just because I have them as contacts. It's not granular either, is literally all my contacts. The only ways you can stop that happening are either putting the key in for me and choosing not to share, or modifying your WiFi name to put an _optout in it (and obviously rejoining everything you ever joined to it).

Microsoft claim that people connecting to shared WiFi can't get to the rest of the network, but they've not said how they're enforcing that so people are suspicious that it'll be hackable. The whole idea seems open to abuse and pretty risky for a small convenience.

That said, I've yet to see this option on Windows 10 Enterprise, so I don't know if it's only available in Home editions or if they backtracked on it.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: shynra on 09 Aug 2015, 09:42
Hi

I just jumped in here to see if there are any compatibility issues with AGS x Windows 10?

I haven't seen any complaints so far... I should be upgrading in a month or so!
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Jack on 09 Aug 2015, 12:05
No. A thousand times no.

Did you know that microsoft has embedded an extra cryptokey in windows, called _NSAKEY (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAKEY), since the 90's? Anyone want to guess what kind of surprises they planted in the age of CISA (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/249521-cisa-the-dirty-deal-between-google-and-the-nsa-that-no-one-is)?

I agree with selmiak, IMO the wise person is looking to switch to linux (Mint, Ubuntu...), not windows 10.

Consider that the adoption rate for windows 8 is pretty much the worst ever. So bad the replacement has to be free. Is there any software out there that works only on windows 8 that you simply must have? I doubt it. If software creators weren't put off by the OS itself, they certainly were by the adoption numbers. How will microsoft recover from this, when pretty much everything you hear about their new OS is pure evil?
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: magintz on 09 Aug 2015, 14:10
I'm in the Yes column. It's prettier, easier to use, i can carry out my daily workflows a lot easier; searching and navigating especially.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: mkennedy on 09 Aug 2015, 22:12
How big is it? From what I've been told Windows 8 is over 100 gigabytes so will Windows 10 be bigger still?
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Gurok on 09 Aug 2015, 22:57
Wow! No, Windows 8 and Windows 10 are both about 20GB installed. And that's with Explorer double counting directories that are junctioned. Where'd you get that information from? A 100GB drive sounds like a reasonable minimum capacity to recommend, but Windows itself certainly doesn't take up that much.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: LimpingFish on 10 Aug 2015, 00:36
How will microsoft recover from this, when pretty much everything you hear about their new OS is pure evil?

By way of the 8th Dimension?

I am not frightened by Windows 10.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: mkennedy on 10 Aug 2015, 01:42
Guess I misheard, though 20 gigs is still quite large. [old man rant] Oh how I miss the good old days where programs were distributed on physical media that you could install it from instead of having everything downloaded now. [end rant]
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Gurok on 10 Aug 2015, 02:11
20GB was my estimate of the installation size. The download size is probably closer to 3-4GB.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: LimpingFish on 10 Aug 2015, 02:59
The download size is probably closer to 3-4GB.

2,706.1MB, to be exact.(nod)
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: portableTaco on 14 Aug 2015, 01:03
Yes for me.  I've had it for many months now and really like it over 8.1.  It seems faster to me, and I've already loaded it up with tons of audio DAW stuff, photo editing junk, programming languages here and there, and all seems pretty solid. No issues with any drivers from 8.1 either, it all just works just as well if not better. 
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Domino on 15 Aug 2015, 14:27
I have a computer running Windows 7 and everything is working fine. Last week I decided to try out Windows 10 and my computer became very unstable and everything was locking up and not responding. I met all of the requirements to run Windows 10, but after about an hour of frustration, reverted back to to Windows 7.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: qptain Nemo on 19 Aug 2015, 15:13
Well, seeing as I've completely switched to exclusively using Linux with absolutely no regrets, it's an easy nope for me.
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Ibispi on 19 Aug 2015, 15:26
I agree with the captain. Linux is the only salvation in these dark times.
It's even more free than windows 10, and way better.
All aboard the ship Linux! Hippity hip hooray!
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: [delete} on 19 Aug 2015, 15:34
Windows 10, no
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Peder 🚀 on 19 Aug 2015, 15:57
As I'm 99% of the time using linux on my desktop computer (I installed Windows 7 on a dedicated SSD purely for music recording as I've spent some cash into software that sadly only works on windows) it's an easy no for me too!
Especially since the 1% I use Windows is for music recording, I'd rather not install a windows version that might fuck up the only stuff I need it for in the first place :p
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: donkeymilk on 19 Aug 2015, 16:53
I installed it on a 30gb partition and it takes up about 15gb with a few redists installed.

It does a lot of spying  and collects and phones home a lot of info about you ,even when you tell it not to.
Code: Adventure Game Studio
  1. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
Best to start win10 in offline mode if poss.

 Here's a few new and useful  programs that are starting to appear:
Debloat-Windows-10
Code: Adventure Game Studio
  1. https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10
Disable Win Tracking v 1.5
Code: Adventure Game Studio
  1. https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking/releases/latest
Destroy Windows 10 Spying!
Code: Adventure Game Studio
  1. http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5054236
Code: Adventure Game Studio
  1. https://twitter.com/nummerok/
DoNotSpy10
Code: Adventure Game Studio
  1. http://pxc-coding.com/blog/donotspy10-1000/
Title: Re: Windows 10, yes or no?
Post by: Jack on 19 Aug 2015, 18:27
By way of the 8th Dimension?

I am not frightened by Windows 10.

Most people are not frightened by excrement.

I just don't want to get any on me.