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Title: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 04 Sep 2015, 21:43
Great game so far but I'm stuck!

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I'm playing the last word game. I'm stuck at Kill Phil. I've looked at every poster in the game and spoke to everyone in the game again. I've visited every area again in case I missed a poster. I have no idea how to proceed. I have used the hints but they are not helping.

One hint is something like have you made a wrong turn? are you in danger of (something or other)? I assume this was a reference to one of the Highway Danger/Hazard posters but that doesn't help me get a poster starting with Phil. Another one is to look at the Oasis billboard outside Metcalfe. I looked at that repeatedly but don't know what that is supposed to help


Thank you

SHADOW
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 04 Sep 2015, 21:56
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The smoking room?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 04 Sep 2015, 22:06
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The smoking room?


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There's only one poster there: 50 ways to make a fortune. I also spoke to everyone there. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 04 Sep 2015, 22:09
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Not fifty ways. FILthy ways.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 04 Sep 2015, 22:18
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Not fifty ways. FILthy ways.


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I see. I did not know what those scrawls were on the poster until I was given the solution and then used some imagination. Thank you

I'm stuck again because I don't know how to get "hazards of helene" in the list. I see it on the billboard but that won't put it in my dialogue options


Thank you

SHADOW
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 04 Sep 2015, 22:23
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But you got Filthy ways in your list, so when you were asked for a title starting with phil...


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What title got on the list then, because you looked at the hazards of helene poster?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 04 Sep 2015, 22:32
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But you got Filthy ways in your list, so when you were asked for a title starting with phil...


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What title got on the list then, because you looked at the hazards of helene poster?


I don't know. I saw that one before the game started so I'll guess that it's
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oasis
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 04 Sep 2015, 23:55
Why don't you try that then?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 06 Sep 2015, 02:19
Why don't you try that then?

Because that didn't conform to the rules. Anyway, thank you for your help!

SHADOW
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 06 Sep 2015, 02:33
No problem. Hopefully the in-game hints are adequate for the other puzzles... (but let us know if they aren't) ???
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 06 Sep 2015, 03:36
No problem. Hopefully the in-game hints are adequate for the other puzzles... (but let us know if they aren't) ???

So far it's really a good game. The reason I had trouble was
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because rules were established for the game and the solution didn't follow the rules.
But I want to keep playing because aside from that part, I'm really enjoying it, including the puzzles. I assume that thorough play testing was conducted by players outside the group of those who developed it to make sure that the puzzles are reasonably solved by players, at least in conjunction with the hints, right?

SHADOW
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Grok on 06 Sep 2015, 10:33


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 I assume that thorough play testing was conducted by players outside the group of those who developed it to make sure that the puzzles are reasonably solved by players, at least in conjunction with the hints, right?




morganw has helped us with test-playing (and proof-reading) and he has done a great job. Any remaining issues are in no way his fault.
He too had some problem with this point which resulted in a special hint being put in to help with this part of the puzzle.

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 Which serial is 'Oasis of Fear' a part of? Look at the outside of the Metcalf's store.



Did you get that hint?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Shadow1000 on 06 Sep 2015, 15:37


morganw has helped us with test-playing (and proof-reading) and he has done a great job. Any remaining issues are in no way his fault.
He too had some problem with this point which resulted in a special hint being put in to help with this part of the puzzle.

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 Which serial is 'Oasis of Fear' a part of? Look at the outside of the Metcalf's store.




Did you get that hint?


Hey, Grok

Awesome game so far! No, that hint didn't help. As I explained
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the rules of the game were that the word was supposed to match. Being part of a series may relate the movies but doesn't make the words match so it didn't occur to me that the solution to the puzzle was to use Oasis of Fear. I had expected there to be a way to get "Hazards" into the list somehow.


Anyway, just because I didn't get the solution doesn't mean that it's not a valid puzzle. If even some of the play testers figured this one out then my not getting it doesn't make it a bad puzzle. I don't expect every player to figure out every puzzle :) Either way, the other puzzles are fun and clever so running into this one is no biggie to me.

SHADOW
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: shaguar on 09 Sep 2015, 08:21
Hi,
i love this game but i seem to have encountered a bug.
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I have discovered the Note. Hint function says "klick on letters in the note to cross them out", but none of the letters seem to be clickable.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 09 Sep 2015, 12:06
Hm, maybe the hint is not entirely appropriate at this point.
Did you find
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another note with letters already crossed out
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: shaguar on 09 Sep 2015, 17:16
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Nope. Only the one in the lost and found Object after the last word puzzle.
I guessed that it was an "do that first" issue.


Thanks for the direction ! (http://www.shag101.de/gif/-10.gif)

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Found it !
Yes, it would be impossible to have the Hero talking about not understanding the hint from outside her world.
Maybe if she would say somthing like "I can't make anything of this ! Maybe i need another clue ..."
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Uziel on 21 Sep 2015, 13:25
Completely loving this game... but I've hit a wall.

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Trying to open the judge's box... but I can't work out the riddle about black witches bathing. I was contemplating all kinds of things about witches bathing at midnight... and hitting the white button 12 times, then hitting the black button, and all manner of other sequences. Finally stumped though in this game. First puzzle to really catch me out.


Help?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 21 Sep 2015, 13:46
Did you notice that
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Every word in the riddle starts with B or W?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Uziel on 22 Sep 2015, 13:27
Can't believe I missed that. Finished the game. Absolutely, wonderful stuff!
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: MiteWiseacreLives! on 23 Sep 2015, 17:27
Beautiful game! But something seems off to me, maybe I'm not trying hard enough  ???
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I've just got back from the hospital, I think I need to go to the Bar (not available yet), back at the Studio the guy in the smoking room says Edwards wants to talk to me about the train stunt.. Edwards doesn't mention it at all, not sure what to do know.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Grok on 23 Sep 2015, 18:10
Beautiful game! But something seems off to me, maybe I'm not trying hard enough  ???
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I've just got back from the hospital, I think I need to go to the Bar (not available yet), back at the Studio the guy in the smoking room says Edwards wants to talk to me about the train stunt.. Edwards doesn't mention it at all, not sure what to do know.


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If I understand correctly where you are in the game you need to go back to the hospital and talk more to Cole about the bar.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Blondbraid on 26 Sep 2015, 12:26
A nice game but the puzzles so far does't feel entirely intuitive, like the word-puzzle Shadow1000 mentioned and I had trouble with the mirror in the clothes shop, not because I missed a clue, but because I couldn't figure out the game mechanics for knocking and only discovered how to do it through random luck.
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I'm stuck with the note found inside the knife. I found the other note with the letters already crossed out and I figured that I'm supposed to cross out the letters in accordance to the numbers in the top corner of the note somehow, but I don't understand exactly how the numbers are supposed to work and I can't see any pattern.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: HandsFree on 26 Sep 2015, 13:17
What part of the mirror puzzle did you find unintuitive? Was it
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the double klicking?

For the note:
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In the already decoded note it says: 1,4/4.
If you look at the striked letters you can see that the first and fourth out of every four letters are striked.
The coded note says: 1,4,5/6.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Mandle on 26 Sep 2015, 13:31
I'm having a bit of trouble with the bit about:

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HOW FREAKING AWESOME THIS GAME IS!!!


and how:

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THE GAME DEVS MANAGED TO PULL OFF AN INSTANT AGS CLASSIC LIKE THIS TOTALLY UNDER THE RADAR!!!


and why:

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GROK WAS ABLE TO CREATE A COMPLETE "WOW-LEVEL" GAME OUT OF THE BLUE IN A FRACTION OF THE TIME IT TAKES MOST OF US DEVS TO RELEASE A FLAWED DEMO???


Any help appreciated!
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Blondbraid on 26 Sep 2015, 14:24
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What part of the mirror puzzle did you find unintuitive?
Yes, it was never explained that you could double-click the mirror.
Also, the word puzzle would have been a really great puzzle if only the entire title of the movie
had been written out in the dialog menu.
As for the note puzzle I just completed it.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Mandle on 26 Sep 2015, 18:00
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What part of the mirror puzzle did you find unintuitive?
Yes, it was never explained that you could double-click the mirror.

I had a bit of trouble with figuring that puzzle out as well...But as soon as I realised:

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I could double or triple click the mirror the puzzle took on a whole new charm...

After you go back and try norma;-clicking on it a few times and the puzzle ends you search for alternatives and then you end up working out how the puzzle works...And it was not spoon-fed to you...

"It was never explained that you could double-click the mirror."...I think that might just be the point of the puzzle?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: MiteWiseacreLives! on 27 Sep 2015, 06:36
I could use a hint at that part as well  :)
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Just don't get the mirror code, looked up morse code charts and those don't seem to match... I assume it's its own code?
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Grok on 27 Sep 2015, 08:45
I could use a hint at that part as well  :)
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Just don't get the mirror code, looked up morse code charts and those don't seem to match... I assume it's its own code?



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On the table with hats there is a price list for costumes. On that list you can find the serial of codes that are used, hidden. If i.e. you get a 2-1-1 knock from the door guard, you should answer with the next knock sequence on the list, 1-2-3
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: AndyfromVA on 13 Nov 2015, 22:34
I should be able to do this but I'm stuck.  Could someone help me out?
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I can't figure out how to get into the bar.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: Grok on 14 Nov 2015, 06:52
I should be able to do this but I'm stuck.  Could someone help me out?
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I can't figure out how to get into the bar.


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Talk to Mr. Metcalf

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Look at the price list at the table with the hats.

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At the bottom of the price list you find the list of knocking codes (- ** ***). You might want to write it down.

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When you knock on the mirror once the door guard will answer with a knock sequence from the list. You answer with the next knock sequence on the list.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: SKYY on 04 Apr 2016, 19:40
How do you win famous last words? 
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I get that you have to check out all the posters, but I keep getting stumped at Hazards of Helene: Oasis of Fear.
Title: Re: Jacqueline White; Bad Trouble in the Red Desert
Post by: SKYY on 04 Apr 2016, 19:45
How do you win famous last words? 
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I get that you have to check out all the posters, but I keep getting stumped at Hazards of Helene: Oasis of Fear.

Nevermind.  I figured it out.
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Hazards of Helene: Oasis of Fear is listed as "Oasis of Fear" in the dialogue list.  Confusing.