Adventure Game Studio | Forums

Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: BarbWire on 11 Jan 2021, 10:50

Title: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: BarbWire on 11 Jan 2021, 10:50

I don't know what the situation is in other countries, but in the UK we are being encouraged to take up the offer of
a covid 19 vaccination, when you are summoned. It will be available at GP surgeries, Pharmacies and walk in centres.
Vast amounts of people will undergo training to wield a needle. At the moment there are two Vaccines in circulation, the
Pfizer and Oxford-astrazeneca. There will be no option to choose which one is injected into you.

The Queen and Prince Phillip were innoculated on Saturday. It has not been disclosed which drug had the privilege of
being deposited into the Royal persons. No doubt a gold and diamond encrusted syringe was used, administered by the
top consultant in the country  :-D

If I do decide to chance my arm, so to speak, I would like to be given a choice. The Oxford jab is preferable, to me,
because it is manufactured in this country. Very patriotic I know. I would like it to be given by a GP or fully qualified
nurse, rather than someone with no medical qualifications whatsoever. It is not known how effective any of the drugs
will be, how long the benefits will last, or if they will work when other variants of Covid 19 appear.

So, to have the jab or not to have the jab, that is the question  :-\
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Mandle on 11 Jan 2021, 10:55
I would be first in line.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Matti on 11 Jan 2021, 13:10
I would be first in line.

Me too, but that will happen in half a year at the earliest, as I'm neither old nor "system-relevant". Here in Germany there's the BionTech/Pfizer vaccine and as of today the second approved vaccine from Moderna will be delivered, but it's all going rather slowly. Afaik we won't have a choice either but I don't care.

I don't think there's much alternative to a vaccination when it comes to handle/stop the pandemic. Also vaccines are a great thing and usually quite harmless. The fact that there are so many anti-vaccers out there (spreading lies and fear) and that the overall willingness to vaccinate oneself is rather low gives me one more reason to vaccinate myself.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Slasher on 11 Jan 2021, 13:12

Don't forget get to purchase the 'Vaccinated' badge so everyone knows you took it..
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Matti on 11 Jan 2021, 13:59
Is that supposed to be some sort of criticism, Mr. "Truth hunter"?
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: WHAM on 11 Jan 2021, 14:05
Considering how good the track record is for vaccinations in general, I'd say go for it, get the jab. The risks are tiny and the potential gains are immense, although I also have to point out how massively optimistic a lot of people are with this thing. "Back to normal by June!" is a bit of an overstatement due to the availability and distribution of the vaccine, but phrases like that are repeated by media and politicians alike because it's what people want to hear.

It's actually kind of eerie to see people in elevated risk groups, especially the older folks on a medical peer support group on Facebook I'm in, boasting how they would "never take the jab" like it's some kind of accomplishment to be proud of. Same people are telling others to not take it, without any reason really given as to why other than "well I won't, so you shouldn't either". We had one vaccine with more than usual complications with the swine flu epidemic, and ever since then it seems the very word vaccination has become a curse in some circles.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Slasher on 11 Jan 2021, 14:24
Is that supposed to be some sort of criticism, Mr. "Truth hunter"?
No... Actually, it comes straight off a FaceBook NHS/Co-vid advert.. I'm only quoting...

https://www.facebook.com/CovidBadge/posts/113925860590255
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: KyriakosCH on 11 Jan 2021, 16:30
I thought that pharmacies can't be used for vaccination due to the risk of anaphylactic shock?
At least afaik here it is only done in hospital/other medical centers with doctors around.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Danvzare on 11 Jan 2021, 16:33
Meh, get it. What have you got to lose?
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: WHAM on 11 Jan 2021, 16:39
I thought that pharmacies can't be used for vaccination due to the risk of anaphylactic shock?
At least afaik here it is only done in hospital/other medical centers with doctors around.

That might vary from country to country, or maybe different vaccinations require different prep?
I mean we get a nurse to come in and jab us at the office for the seasonal flue shots and such, and I expect that will be the case with the Covid vaccine too, once it gets out to general distribution.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Frodo on 11 Jan 2021, 17:47
I thought that pharmacies can't be used for vaccination due to the risk of anaphylactic shock?
At least afaik here it is only done in hospital/other medical centers with doctors around.

I got my flu jab done in the local football ground this year! 

No idea when I'll be allowed to get the vaccine.  I'm not in the over-80's group, but I do have some medical conditions.   :undecided:
But when I'm invited, I'll definitely be getting it. 
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: VampireWombat on 11 Jan 2021, 22:19
Where can give give the vaccination definitely must vary from place to place. Here, the civic center was the first place I heard of. And pharmacies and a medical clinic I hadn't heard of are the only other places I know of to get them at the moment. Due to respiratory issues, I was able to get vaccinated at the clinic on Thursday. My arm hurt for like 40 hours, but I'd say it's better than the alternative.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Cassiebsg on 11 Jan 2021, 23:12
I'm sure I'll get my vaccine, once I get offered... probably before the end of Juni (since they think they can have the entire population vaccinated by then...) and then it's probably time to start vaccines all over again...  (roll)
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Stupot on 12 Jan 2021, 03:12
In Japan they’re not even planning to start jabs until the end of February. I’ll be happy to get it so that I can go back to the UK and see my family who haven’t even met my baby yet.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Mandle on 12 Jan 2021, 03:48
In Japan they’re not even planning to start jabs until the end of February. I’ll be happy to get it so that I can go back to the UK and see my family who haven’t even met my baby yet.

Damn, that's a heart-tugging post, man!  :~(
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: BarbWire on 14 Jan 2021, 14:52

An Update:   According to the latest news bulletin, the jab will provide five months immunity. It might not work
for everyone and those vaccinated can still carry the virus. Big deal!  I would expect better protection, over a much
longer period.

When you think of life threatening diseases that were totally eradicated, in the past, with just one injection, such as
polio, smallpox, Tuberculosis, diptheria etc. I wouldn't say this innoculation is a scientific marvel.

I realise that there was great pressure on the virologists to produce an innoculation, as soon as possible, but maybe
slow and steady wins the race.


Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Khris on 14 Jan 2021, 15:00
Can you add a source?
I've spent two minutes an Google and 5 months is mentioned here (https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/body/health/a35211097/immune-covid-how-long-antibodies/) but that's after catching the disease, not after getting vaccinated.

(also: jab, I'm dying to finally wear my "Vaccinated" badge)
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Jan 2021, 17:16
Moderna is claiming a year with their vacine.

As for how effective they are, well, depends on a lot of factors, including you not being allergic over for it.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Danvzare on 14 Jan 2021, 17:53
An Update:   According to the latest news bulletin, the jab will provide five months immunity. It might not work
for everyone and those vaccinated can still carry the virus. Big deal!  I would expect better protection, over a much
longer period.
You've got to remember, that's probably only an estimate. Since I doubt anyone has been injected with it five months ago. Then of course there's mutations, so it's limited even in that capacity.
As for those being vaccinated still being able to carry the virus... uh.. yeah, that's how vaccines works. You just won't carry the virus anywhere near as long if you're vaccinated, when compared to when you're not.

Then again, I'm clearly no expert. So if someone here is better informed then me, then feel free to correct me.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: BarbWire on 14 Jan 2021, 18:31

Sorry, Khris, I couldn't actually find anything on google myself. It was on the BBC dinner time news. I am
pretty sure that's what they said, but if I am proved wrong I apologise. 

On the evening news it was reported that we now have another variant of Covid 19 in the UK. So, the South African
strain now been joined by one from Brazil.  Gloom and doom! gloom and doom!


 
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Cassiebsg on 14 Jan 2021, 23:45
The more grounds (read people & animals) the more it will mutate. Think I read somewhere that it mutates every 14 days... or was it less? In other words, the more it's "allowed" to run free and multiply, the more chances it has to mutate. So far these mutations seem to just be "more infectious"... just think if it mutates to "more deadly"? or "more infectious & more deadly"?  8-0

We're down to 3 more weeks of lock-down (though not as confined as other countries) until the 7th Feb, because of "the British variant" and even though the number of new infected is dropping... (but they say the number of infect by this new variant is still going up)
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Snarky on 15 Jan 2021, 06:40
Sorry, Khris, I couldn't actually find anything on google myself. It was on the BBC dinner time news. I am
pretty sure that's what they said, but if I am proved wrong I apologise.

I'm pretty sure that, as Khris says, what you heard must have been about the report that having had COVID-19 provides (about 85%) immunity for 5 months.

I find it quite amazing that researchers have been able to develop not just one, but a number of apparently effective vaccines — in record time — when we had never before been able to bring to market a vaccine for any coronavirus in humans. (As I understand it, there were only some animal vaccines and some experimental ones.) "A cure for the common cold" (a coronavirus) has been one of those missing medical breakthroughs that people have talked about for decades — there's even an AGS game (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/839-a-cure-for-the-common-cold/) based on that joke!
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Mandle on 15 Jan 2021, 08:18
"A cure for the common cold" (a coronavirus)

Or Rhinovirus, or over a hundred other kinds of virus, although Corona virus and Rhinovirus are the main 2 culprits.

I'm no expert, but I suspect that is why we don't have a "cure" or vaccine for the common cold. Its effects are too trivial for most people to make such a regimen of tests and vaccinations for so many viruses, lumped under one heading, worth the effort.

And that it's not so much that a particular "Corona virus" in and of itself offers special challenges in producing a working vaccine.

But I could be totally wrong.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: KyriakosCH on 15 Jan 2021, 08:53
Sorry, Khris, I couldn't actually find anything on google myself. It was on the BBC dinner time news. I am
pretty sure that's what they said, but if I am proved wrong I apologise.

I'm pretty sure that, as Khris says, what you heard must have been about the report that having had COVID-19 provides (about 85%) immunity for 5 months.

I find it quite amazing that researchers have been able to develop not just one, but a number of apparently effective vaccines — in record time — when we had never before been able to bring to market a vaccine for any coronavirus in humans. (As I understand it, there were only some animal vaccines and some experimental ones.) "A cure for the common cold" (a coronavirus) has been one of those missing medical breakthroughs that people have talked about for decades — there's even an AGS game (https://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/839-a-cure-for-the-common-cold/) based on that joke!

When there is a huge monetary incentive, you'll see many offer products :)
That said, we haven't actually *yet* seen results of those vaccines on the general population.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: WHAM on 15 Jan 2021, 10:55
As with all vaccines, despite the rigorous testing, we'll also have to wait and see what the real effect on general populace is. Just yesterday the news here pointed out that Brazilian studies found the Chinese vaccine was 51% effective, far lower than the Chinese research had indicated, and just barely over the 50% required to be approved for use. If the actual effective rates among the population, as well as the time the vaccination is effective, are lower than hoped then herd immunity may be quite a bit of time away.

Still, in my eye this should only encourage more people to take the vaccine, in order to provide better data and understanding to the scientific community beyond that which their own tests can ever hope to achieve.
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: BarbWire on 15 Jan 2021, 14:49

Hi all
 It would appear that a five month test was undertaken, during which time somebody who had had Covid 19 and built up antibodies
still had protection at the end of this period. A person immunised also had protection until the end of this period. After five months
the effect may lessen but nobody really knows by how much. So, I was kinda right. I can see us all having arms like pin cushion if
we have to have constant injections  :)




Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Danvzare on 15 Jan 2021, 16:15
So far these mutations seem to just be "more infectious"... just think if it mutates to "more deadly"? or "more infectious & more deadly"?  8-0
Here's something to think about. If it was equally as infectious, but less deadly, it would appear to be more infectious as more people would walk around without realizing that they have it, and therefore infect more people. And keep in mind that if you come down really bad or even die for that matter, you're less likely to pass it onto someone else as you'll stay in bed. So it stands to reason that mutations that are less deadly, will also be more likely to spread. Meaning as time goes by, a very infectious virus should in theory become increasingly less deadly. Or at the very least, have a longer incubation period.
Also don't forget that your body starts to build up a tolerance to it (or at the very least, those who don't die are already likely to continue to survive).

In other words. There's a reason why the common cold was so deadly to anywhere we brought it to, yet it's now considered harmless everywhere. Not to mention how plagues in the past just kind of... disappeared.

Once again though, please take all of this with a pinch of salt. And if possible, I'd rather be corrected then continue to be wrong.  :-D
Title: Re: A jab or not a jab....that is the question
Post by: Reiter on 15 Jan 2021, 16:24
I think that I shall do what comes naturally - keep my tomato tucked in and do as I am told.

It will be a while before there will be a needle for me, but I shall take it when I am asked. Cleverer heads than mine have worked on this, after all. There does not seem to be any narcolepsy in this batch, at least.

I do detest needles, however. I am a baby when it comes to having them. It is terrifying, and I really do not want to have one. But I will have to, of course, so I will try to be a man about it. I suppose I could buy a lollipop on the way, and pretend the doctor gave it to me when I leave. I do hope the damned thing is worth it, but we shall see. EDIT: Apparently, the king and the queen had their dose today. Rather settles the matter; bring them on. I can take needles all day long.

I came out the victor in our first bout (I think), but I am quite aware that the second round may kill me all the same. This virus is a real maverick, it seems to do just about what-ever it please.