A character to criticise...

Nacho · Sun 18/01/2004 15:27:24

Yup... Loominous hands work fine. I am making an edit, with clearer green colour for the jacket (they seemed green) and changing the boots. The truth is that my attempt was to avoid simillarities with Indy, not with Ben, ItÂ´s kinda funny that the main goal now is to make it less Ben.

IÂ´ll post here the new version soon.

EDIT: Revisited Version: Less Indy, less Ben... Too Street Fighter?

Thanks Pessi for putting peace... again. And please, plastic, a critic by you would be deeply appreciated.

big brother · Sun 18/01/2004 16:41:19

Just a little bit of input.

When I saw your earlier designs I immediately thought Ben, but that could just be cause I'm a flaming homosexual who gets turned on by pixelated cartoon characters.

What am I saying?

I think the biggest similarities involve the stance and the shadiing; the latter being almost identical to Ben's shading (look at the highlights).

Here are my suggestions:
1. Make the line width narrower.
2. Change the shading. (Esp. the jacket pockets, they look odd being half-light, half -dark. Make up your mind, Michael Jackson.)
3. It looks like his belt is over his tucked-in jacket. Don't quote me on this, but it's prolly a fashion no-no.
4. Make sure they had all those things he's wearing in the early 40's.
This includes "look at me, officer" red sneakers.

Nacho · Sun 18/01/2004 17:33:53

The Final result11!

The original Ben Jones Willis has turned into a some reasonable original guy... IÂ´ve used some of your advises, and I think I have it. The cup and the canvass shoes make him younger. The bomber makes his different from Indy. The thick lines, the redouced chest and Loominous hands make him quite diferent from Ben, also retouching the shadows.

All the clothes could have been used in the early 40s, as theyÂ´ve been copied form photos from the period. I hope you like him, ladies and gentlemen... Arizona Scott (the nickname is to honour the Arizona ship, whereas the surname can be changed, if you want another and think that it can be more appealing tell to me...)

Farlander.

Nacho · Mon 19/01/2004 14:26:32

Well... Here is the female character of the game... As you can notice, she is a disgusting rip-off of Sophia Hapgood, because all you know that I am a mediocre artist...

Just kidding, really... Criticise, if possible, itÂ´s pose and itÂ´s body, as many changes can be made in the clothes (My girlfriend is the costume director, and IÂ´m under her thumb...

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Have in mind that she is pretty unfinished, (hands, boots... ) just tell me your first impressions...

strazer · Mon 19/01/2004 14:32:24

Hi!

Very nice but

Quotejust tell me your first impressions...

she leans too much to the left, looks like she is about to fall over.
Move the balance point a bit to the right.

Nacho · Mon 19/01/2004 15:43:21

To her right? (sorry for making this a chat...)

Pessi · Mon 19/01/2004 16:03:24

Yeah, I think strazer meant to her right. That's how it looks to me.

I think it's cool otherwise but the face could look more feminine. Cause my first impression was to wonder if it's a man in women's clothes. Honestly! It might be because it's pretty small on my screen but I also zoomed in at it still kind of looks masculine. I don't know if it's just me though.

Nacho · Mon 19/01/2004 16:07:43

No... some other people told it in #AGs...

I think that IÂ´m too used to the image to see how malish she seems (Sure that happens to you all sometimes, you paint something and you look to intm and think... ItÂ´s cool! After a time, when see it again you think, hey! ThatÂ´s not so cute as I remember...)

I will take a look after, any suggests for making she more femenine? $:-\$

strazer · Mon 19/01/2004 16:32:24

Yes, I meant to the right.

As for making her more feminine, I suggest shortening and lightening up her eyebrows and lightening up the area between the eyebrows and the eyes.
In short, just ease up on the shading of the face.

Nacho · Mon 19/01/2004 17:07:34

Looking to both characters IÂ´ve realised that there is some kind of "bulge" in the chest of the guy... revisitingÂª

Darth Mandarb · Mon 19/01/2004 19:09:50

The only real problem I have is that if he's a student of Dr. Jones wouldn't this be taking place in the 40's or 50's?

I could be wrong, but I don't think the young'ins of those days wore shoes like that or hats like that? I could be wrong though ... I mean, baseball players wore caps like that (then) but it wasn't like now-a-days where everybody wears them.

Here's my take:

I changed the hat and shoes. The hat is supposed to be one of those golfing type hats and the shoes are more of 'zoot suit' era style.

Anyway ... feel free to tell me I'm going the wrong direction!

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Edit - The dark black outline around the center of the chest and the coat lapels is pretty strong! Were you gonna change that?

Redwall · Mon 19/01/2004 20:11:33

Hmm, in Back to the Future Part 3 doesn't the 1950's Doc tell Marty how he should be wearing sneakers because they haven't been invented yet? Of course, using movies for historical reference is probably not the best thing to do...

big brother · Mon 19/01/2004 21:08:20

QuoteLooking to both characters IÂ´ve realised that there is some kind of "bulge" in the chest of the guy...

Yeah, out here we call those "muscles."

Nacho · Mon 19/01/2004 22:24:02

Lol... Big brother, I was not talking of muscles, I was talking that the left shoulder (right in the filpped image with the girl) is to raised and seems like a bulge. IÂ´ll try to fix it.

Darth, I was not very convinced with the shoes, I used them because they worked to make him younger, but IÂ´ll probably use yours. As for the cup, I hope you wonÂ´t get in anger if I keep it, as it is a little "cameo" to the cup that the chinese kid (Shorty?) wore in Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom. That means that cups use was generally spreaded, IMO.

And ah! the action is located in summer of 1941, during the battle of Britain.

loominous · Mon 19/01/2004 23:04:59

Some modifications:

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Sorry, can t stand to type comments for some reason. If anything is unclear let me know.

Nacho · Mon 19/01/2004 23:19:28

No need to say more... YouÂ´ve perfectly understood the "bulge" problem, IÂ´ll use you edit, thanks.

Darth Mandarb · Mon 19/01/2004 23:29:48

Quote from: Farlander on Mon 19/01/2004 22:24:02
Darth, I was not very convinced with the shoes, I used them because they worked to make him younger, but IÂ´ll probably use yours. As for the cup, I hope you wonÂ´t get in anger if I keep it, as it is a little "cameo" to the cup that the chinese kid (Shorty?) wore in Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom. That means that cups use was generally spreaded, IMO.
And ah! the action is located in summer of 1941, during the battle of Britain.

You're absolutely right! Short Round did wear a baseball hat like that! The one you had used earlier (the bright blue one) looked too modern, but the darker tones you've used on this one are good! I won't get angry at all!! It's yours

And you can borrow my shoes if you'd like

Keep up the good work!

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JD · Mon 19/01/2004 23:50:03

Your sprites look very good Farl. The woman looks good too!
Is she supposed to be French? Because somehow she looks
french to me. The hair, the hat, the clothes. About Scott; he
doesn't really look like an archeological student to me. I'd say
he looks like a thug. Then again I have no idea what an
archeological student would look like so bleh at me!

Keep up the good work!

Nacho · Tue 20/01/2004 07:47:52

She is Welsh, (Maybe AGAÂ´s nun, in a future?

) And he is not the tipycal archeology study... He is the favourite pupil of Indiana Jones!

I will make clear in the game somewhere that he is as good sportman as student, I think...

GarageGothic · Tue 20/01/2004 10:33:58

Wow, these sprites are awesome. A few ideas though:

I was thinking, maybe you could give him a letterman sweater (possibly worn underneath the jacket) to make him look more like a student/jock)?

Also, I think his hair is too long for the time. For a great resource on 1940s hair styles (though post-war), watch The Man Who Wasn't There by the Coen bros. The Converse shoes did exist at the time, but I doubt anyone would have wore them when not participating in sports. Have you actually looked at the Indy movies to see what his students dress like? Maybe that would be the very best reference source.