Topic: Yahtzee & AGS, the history

[CSFS]

What the heck has Yahtzee done here that pissed you all off to such an enormous degree?

I'm not defending him or anything, just curious as to what created this rift that appears to have spanned many years...

I did search to find out, but everyone seemed to be saying "Yahtzee is evil" or "let's not mention Yahtzee here," but not actually *why*.

So, why??

Chris

[Pessi]

I think the main issues were his ego and thus the very negative attitude. To me, he seemed hostile.

I never saw him help anyone. I could be wrong on this one though.

He was always going on about himself. He never encouraged anyone.

It's just that he was a negative person, and people just couldn't stand it. It's like going on a date with a person that only talks about him or herself.

He can make average games though. Even though I think the majority of people thinks he can make really good games. Perhaps they're just not my preference in style (not meaning art).

Hehe, as you pointed out, it's best just not to mention him. Not that he was a taboo or anything. It's just that the negative attitude comes with that name.

Funny, you've only posted one topic and it involves Yahtzee.

* Pessi makes conclusions.

Just kidding.

[Roy Lazarovich]

I remember Yahtzee vaguely, since he disappeared around the time I joined the community, I remember him writing all sorts of articles about adventure games, or am I confusing him with someone else?

[Joseph DiPerla]

He never really did anything to me.

He seemed to be okay. On the forums I never found a problem with him. I never noticed an ego problem. But then again, I never communicated with him that much anyways...

He did make a heck of a lot of good games.

Besides, my moto is: Try and find something good in a person, and you will always be happy and at peace with that individual.

And, he was pretty young when he was in the community, maybe he matured a liitle. Again, I never NOTICED a problem.

JD

[Trapezoid]

http://www.geocities.com/yahtzee83/yahtzee6.htm

He reviewed my old unfinished adventure demos.

[Sylpher]

Made first major Ags games.

Pretended to be big headed.

Was not the nicest fello to most of the regulars.

Ran off saying he would never make adventure games ever ever ever ever again.

basically what happend in a super small fly nutshell.

[DGMacphee]

I think the biggest blow, from my memory, was when he wrote a damning article about how stupid the US was... He listed a whole bunch of things, and this kinda upset everyone...

I think people also got sick of his 'I'm going to take over the world' shtick... He did have some funny articles and did make some good games (from a playability perspective), but I think he was a little TOO critical of people...

[BruisedWeasel]

Hi CSFS. I recognised yer letters.

I often wonder about the linking of Yahtzee to BURN!!11! BURN 'IM!!1!!! I guess a person is only as good as his last post. And gods forbid the next post is worse than the last. I'm too new to truely care about adopting the hostility towards some brit I never met. It seems one can't even talk about the game around here. A shame, it is an entertaining game at times.

...

Anyone plan on making Yahtzee with ags? (not based on Ben)

[Las Naranjas]

He wasn't a very secure person, and I don't think he had much in Real Life to make him feel good about himself.

For a bit in the Amateur community he could be a big shot, but when rivalry came in, he tended to overcriticize it to protect his position. He drove Phil away like that.

And when everyone was talking about Rode kill, or Permanent Daylight, he left, because "The scene was getting him down", he wasn't numero uno anymore.

It's a sad story.

[evenwolf]

Yes, I think some people have to realize that perhaps the community wasn't so well established back then.   I mean, I'm just theorizing here-  I think perhaps Yahtzee found a window of critical tyranny in AGS history.  It's just a matter of him having a game or two, and therefore status "above" everyone else.   People like Pessi weren't around yet to balance the negativity "newbies" were receiving.  So Yahtzee perhaps kept a little bit of a monopoly by suppressing other's hopes? Maybe? But what would he do when suddenly other people announce games worth praise and therefore gain voice in the community as well? Give up his status? That would require a complete change of character, something quite difficult to accomlish.

[C-SFS]

Well, he seems to have repented his sins now. For those who haven't seen his site, he writes:

"The praise I was given by the rest of the community gave me new-found confidence. But with confidence came cockiness, and with cockiness came big-headedness, and soon I was declaring myself an authority on amateur adventure games. That part of my life all seems so unreal now. I was a foolish, self-delusional, arrogant prick and there's not a day goes by that I don't regret all the silly things I did and said that alienated me from the AGS community.

So if any amateur adventure gamers are reading this, and I know there are as they seemed to find Odysseus Kent pretty easily, then this is my apology. I'm sorry. Thank you for liking my games, and I'm sorry you had to put up with my weirdness. The AGS community is really one of the nicest online and AGS itself is the best adventure game-makey tool in the whole wide world."

Oh, and that US-article mentioned was probably referring to http://www.fullyramblomatic.com/essays/tribute.htm

It's purely humourous, I assure you... of course, being from England probably helps my perspective a little

[2ma2]

When I joined, right before Rode, the worst things were allready over. I never saw anything pointing towards Y's egositical behaviour. However, the forums were tense, and the winds of changes blew through it, which divided the groups I guess. Yahtzee left, Sarah a bit later, blaiming the hostile enviroment that had began within the community.

We changed, and I arrived in the beginning of it. Next there was the newbie invasion and we got a bigger crisis on our hands with more and more frustrated regulars. Finally, the messiah stepped forward (Pessi) and delivered us out from the pits of agony be keeping his temper in the worst of conditions (Cheers!). And we started working to make things as easy for n00bs as possible, with forum rules posts etc

But Yahtzee then. Well, I don't know cause I wasn't there, but trustful sources game me this explanation: He began to hevae like a complete ass and when people we're really pissed off, he came forward and said that it was all a joke, which pissed people off even more.

[Andail]

I share the suspicion that CFSF might be more than just a newbie with a pet peeve on his mind...

anyway, I looked through lots of Yahtzee's posts some time after I had joined, to make my own judgement.
Of course it wasn't like all his posts were "shut up, fucking newbie, I rule you all and one day you'll thank me"....
but the tendency was there. I read his grandiose fare-well-letter, and I read his info on the community list, which is pretty much enough to draw a few conclusions.

[DGMacphee]

Andail, I agree... Reading CSFS's last post seemed very strange...

Especially this line:

It's purely humourous, I assure you... of course, being from England probably helps my perspective a little  

For some reason, it seems a very odd thing to say...

Could CSFS perhaps be...

No, he couldn't...

Nah... I'm just imagining things...

[Esseb]

Sorry to chime in here, but Trap, seeing as the crows nest got started from scratch again, your games are not in the new games list. They looked really interesting, got them on the net somewhere?

[rodekill]

I think we can all agree that the Yahtzee "reign of terror" is officially over now.
He seems sincerely appologetic over his behavior.
Hopefully we can all put it behind us and accept him back into the community should he choose to come back.

[J. L.]

He wasn't a very secure person, and I don't think he had much in Real Life to make him feel good about himself.

I know I'm not welcome here myself, but I just happened to read this, and I find it really truthful (in general).

J. L.

[m0ds]

But I thought he never wanted to come back again?

CFCS sounds uncanally like Yahtzee's brother we never knew about, or something.


m0ds

[Adamski]

J. L. ? Could it be another infamous AGSer i've heard rumours of?

Talk about the past coming back to confuse all of us who joined post July 2001

[C-SFS]

Could CSFS perhaps be...

No, he couldn't...

Nah... I'm just imagining things...

You are. I just read his site, and the update containing that quote above. Have a look at his message board - I am CSFS, he is Yahtzee.

What do you mean, an odd thing to say? I just mean that it's substantially less likely to offend me when I don't live in the country in question