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Author Topic: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor  (Read 24734 times)

Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #60 on: 12 Jul 2005, 03:31 »
My name, your hat please ghostlady!

Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #61 on: 12 Jul 2005, 12:49 »
That room was not ripped off or painted over.  It was created from scratch.  I think you should get your facts straight before you make a comment like that. 

"It was created from scratch." ??

This is a fact:
http://www.2dadventure.com/ags/thief.gif

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #62 on: 12 Jul 2005, 13:06 »
...funny that I should be the one to defend GhostLady now...

Synthetique, it is heavily based on Phantasmagoria, that is as clear as day. But GhostLady already told us it was on purpose. It was not "created from scratch" as in the room design isn't hers - that was a poor choice of words. In fact, after looking at both of them side by side (and after reading GhostLady's subsequent post) I'm now more inclined to think of it as an hommage. "Thief" is a bit strong.

EDIT - also, most AGS games ripped something, in some way or another. The fact that this is a commercial game puts it in a different perspective, I know, but... well, when another commercial game does something like this, they call it a "cameo" and an "hommage". Maybe we should look at it like this too, instead of pointing fingers - something I myself was guilty of.
« Last Edit: 12 Jul 2005, 13:08 by Rui "Brisby" Pires »
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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #63 on: 12 Jul 2005, 14:15 »
Well.. if you take art from someone and claim that you created it.. that is a bit like stealing.
I'd hate it if that happened to me.

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #64 on: 12 Jul 2005, 16:29 »
Rui got bribed ;D. Always a good way to go.

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #65 on: 12 Jul 2005, 22:59 »
Hauntings Of Mystery Manor Screenshots:

What game is this from?



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Nice graphics. Huh? 

BTW, Rui was not bribed.  That post was sincere.

Synthetique, did you get permission to copy that game image from Jen at Four Fat Chicks?  A bit like stealing huh?
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Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
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Haunting at Cliffhouse

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #66 on: 13 Jul 2005, 00:19 »
No-one is claiming the whole game is "stolen".
Since there is so much effort in these screens, it seems odd to cut and paste a fireplace (and not admit it).
I think it cheapens the effort - how does one know how much is original and how much is "borrowed"?

If I were in your position, I'd re-render that room with a modelled fireplace and make a new version of the game.

If I recall correctly from reading a forum, you didn't draw these, so I can forgive "Nice graphics. Huh?" despite it coming off as rather arrogant.

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Synthetique, did you get permission to copy that game image from Jen at Four Fat Chicks?  A bit like stealing huh?
Now you're just being silly. It's fair use, and credited.
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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #67 on: 13 Jul 2005, 00:44 »
Steve, you are absolutely right.  This whole thing is silly.  If anyone is interested in the game, you know where to find it.
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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #68 on: 14 Jul 2005, 17:49 »
I just wanted to say that having discussion within a thread in the Completed Game Announcement forums, should be deterred from happening. Not that poeple shouldn't express their views about a game being commercial and their desire or not to buy the game, but it's almost borderline obnoxious when I have to read through four pages of arguments, and have yet to find a review from someone (other than those provided on the main web page). I always thought this forum should only contain posts in which people are critisizing a game they've played. If you don't want to pay fifteen dollars for the game, then don't, and stop posting about it. Unless Ghostlady's numbers are made up, there is an apparent audience who is willing to fork out money. And afterwards, they should be able to say whether it was worth it or not, because they've played the game and have something (hopefully) constructive to say.

As for the similarities with Phantasmorgia, the graphics are changed enough to avoid any copyright issues, so what really is the problem? If she got inspiration from the game and took elements that she didn't think she could make herself, I really see no problem. Maybe crediting Phantasmorgia for inspiration, could be possible, but she hasn't done anything illegal.

My only critique (not having played the game), is using AGS's icons. Only because it's not that far of a stretch to change the graphics for them. They are intended for 256 style graphics, which your game does not fall under. It just seems a shame, only because there is so much work in the backrounds, and it's really just a simple matter of replacing the icons that existed already. But I haven't really played the game, so my oppinion can only be worth so much.

Personally, I will not be buying this game, only because I don't have the money to spend, at the moment. But I know that if I wasn't in college and had a well paying job, then I wouldn't dismiss the fifteen dollars as too much.

Good luck, and tell us when/if you break even, because I'm sure it'll bring some inspiration to those who, like myself, seek to one day make these type of games for a living. And also, don't feel shy about posting for help for things like changing your GUI, if you already program for a living, then the hardest part is really only the graphics, as everything else should come naturally to you.

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #69 on: 16 Jul 2005, 21:55 »

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #70 on: 17 Jul 2005, 03:46 »
And another:

Quandaryland

Anyone else want in the hat?  I'll pick two winners tomorrow.
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Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
Intrigue At Oakhaven Plantation
Haunting at Cliffhouse

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #71 on: 17 Jul 2005, 09:36 »
I thought it might be nice to offer a couple copies of the game to the people here at AGS.  Especially to the people who have a real interest in it.  Post and let me know you are interested and I'll do the old pull the name from the hat trick.  I'll only offer it as a download and it is about 50MG. 

Are you sure you want to trust these people with this? I mean isn't it a bit silly to give your game to some people from the internet, people you don't even know, for free and expect they won't start spreading free copies of it around the internet? This is not very wise if you seriously intend to sell your game.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #72 on: 17 Jul 2005, 10:45 »
I mean isn't it a bit silly to give your game to some people from the internet, people you don't even know, for free and expect they won't start spreading free copies of it around the internet?

What is the difference if they buy it instead? Can't they still distribute free copies or make it downloadable somewhere online?

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Why don't we take this discussion to the general forums?
« Last Edit: 17 Jul 2005, 10:47 by cp »

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #73 on: 17 Jul 2005, 12:09 »
Just wanted to say that I would recommend you Ghostlady to replace the default GUI with one that you have drawn yourself. You can then create a patch with Patch Maker for example. I think this problem is very easy to fix and would convince those people to buy it who think caused of this that not enough effort was put into the game or that it would disturb the experience.

Think about it.
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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #74 on: 17 Jul 2005, 16:05 »
Anyone else want in the hat?  I'll pick two winners tomorrow.

Could you put my name in the hat? I've heard a fair bit about the game and I'd be very interested in playing it.

I would part with the cash but I'm a student (and so completely skint  :P )

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #75 on: 17 Jul 2005, 17:42 »
Hi Pablo,

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Are you sure you want to trust these people with this? I mean isn't it a bit silly to give your game to some people from the internet, people you don't even know, for free and expect they won't start spreading free copies of it around the internet? This is not very wise if you seriously intend to sell your game.

The first day I put the game up for sale, I had my first download order from someone in Germany.  By the next day, the game was up on a German site and they were selling it without my permission or knowledge.  We have since solidified that mess after a few threatening emails.  When buying the CD, the instructions are to copy the files to your hard drive.  What is there to stop anyone from putting the files up on the internet.  I wish there was a way to be able to play the game directly off of the CD, but I haven't seen anything that will allow that.

Hi Ozzie,

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Just wanted to say that I would recommend you Ghostlady to replace the default GUI with one that you have drawn yourself. You can then create a patch with Patch Maker for example. I think this problem is very easy to fix and would convince those people to buy it who think caused of this that not enough effort was put into the game or that it would disturb the experience.

I have to tell you that this is an excellent idea.  I looked at your link and I will explore it further.

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Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
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Haunting at Cliffhouse

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #76 on: 17 Jul 2005, 17:50 »
The first day I put the game up for sale, I had my first download order from someone in Germany.  By the next day, the game was up on a German site and they were selling it without my permission or knowledge.  We have since solidified that mess after a few threatening emails.  When buying the CD, the instructions are to copy the files to your hard drive.  What is there to stop anyone from putting the files up on the internet.  I wish there was a way to be able to play the game directly off of the CD, but I haven't seen anything that will allow that.

Hmm, well okay then, it was just my thoughts about it.

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #77 on: 17 Jul 2005, 18:17 »
They were good thoughts.  :)
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Haunting at Cliffhouse

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Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #78 on: 18 Jul 2005, 00:19 »
The first name out of the hat was Marlamoe and the second was Alk3Catch.  You should be able to email me through my profile on this board, and I will send you the link. 
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Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
Intrigue At Oakhaven Plantation
Haunting at Cliffhouse

Re: Hauntings Of Mystery Manor
« Reply #79 on: 18 Jul 2005, 00:49 »
The first name out of the hat was Marlamoe and the second was Alk3Catch.  You should be able to email me through my profile on this board, and I will send you the link. 


Wow, I don't think I've ever won anything in my life.  Thanks SO much.