Background of a Bedroom...

[Grapefruitologist]

Yeah, but now Kyle has to tie his shoes 4 times... xD
Oh well. I don't like Kyle anyway, lol.
I updated the picture, added a blanket.
UPDATE: Okay, last picture, I think. Does this picture of the blanket look better than the one I last posted?

[TerranRich]

Nice touch, the blanket. It's on the bed, but that's about it; it's not made or anything. But that's good, it works.
My only problem is the JPEG distortion. If you look at the dresser, you can see blobs of light and dark color;those are JPEG artifacts although it's a PNG file. Weird.

[Grapefruitologist]

Yeah, I know. I converted it to JPEG, but then converted it to PNG when I saw the distortion. I re-drew some of the stuff that looked horrible because of that (why in the world does it do that anyway?) this time.
Is there a way to fix this and restore it to the way it was?
Is anything else noticeable that's distorted?

[DonB]

To be honest mate.. everything seems to be disorted by it..

i like the background but if you keep it in this style i think you should, like others already told you, make the door a little smaller and higher..

And whats the thing with the red lines coming out of the middle of the shoes.. i think i know what you wanted to make, but i cant translate it well.. anyways.. if thats the thing it isnt right placed and there should be only coming one line a side out of it..

hope that made sense..

About the jpg., if it really cant be helped i would completely redraw the background, sorry to say if you got much work in it.. and then copy and paste in photoshop and save it as a .gif or .png or .jpg.. like i always do, no weird concequences then. Good luck!

EDIT: sorry, i read now you already mentioned the shoe thing..

[Grapefruitologist]

I'll try just re-drawing the colors that got distorted.
Of course I could just make another joke and be lazy... xD

[TerranRich]

Don't save it as JPEG at all. JPEG images are compressed and therefore blur and smudge certain colors as a result. Save it to PNG only from now on (although it's too late for the picture above). Once it's been JPEG'ed, that's it.

[Grapefruitologist]

I know, I didn't even mean to, stupid program saved it as JPEG automatically.
Over and over again, infact, making it even worse... when I told it not to!!
Oh well, I restored the worst distorted parts.
This reminds me of that Elmo book. They made an Elmo potty training book, but somehow the audio file got ruined when they converted it, so instead of saying "Uh oh, who has to go?" It says "Uh oh, who wants to die?"

[ManicMatt]

Yeah, my very first background for my game was saved in JPG, and so it's in the game for about 30 seconds.

I could of sworn I used to save images on my Amiga via Personal Paint in jpg, hmm must have been something else. (Personal Paint = Imagine deluxe paint was still being made and improved in the late nineties/early 00's)

[MarVelo]

You seriously accept this as a background? And I dispute that art is not as important as the comedy. If someone wanted comedy acompanied by something that looks like the decauss button was just hit they would take phsycodelic drugs and watch standup.

[skyfire2]

You seriously accept this as a background? And I dispute that art is not as important as the comedy. If someone wanted comedy acompanied by something that looks like the decauss button was just hit they would take phsycodelic drugs and watch standup.

why all the hate?

[Grapefruitologist]

You might have a different opinion than me; but I think in this case comedy is more important than art. In fact, comedy IS art. More comedy, more art. I know more about the game than you, so it might seem like I need good art to you, whereas, I am the creator of the game, and I'm doing all the work, so I know that I can get away with one room being a little (or a lot) off, as long as I keep the comedy part as the main subject in the game. And besides, it's my first game-expect a little low quality.
If it's good to me, that's good enough for me. I'll try to make it better in other people's opinions, but if I can't, as long as it's acceptable to me, then I know it's good-really, I'm making this game for myself as much as for everyone else. It's like that anti-drug commercial (though not very effective for making people stop taking drugs) you can't just let everyone change you. Sure, listen to what people say, but you've got to be sure it's what YOU want. Otherwise, there IS no art. It's all stereotype or whatever the word for it is.
And is it just me or was Monkey Island's art a little less than perfect? (Atleast in my opinion. It looked too pixelly/errr... weird to me, but that didn't stop LucasArts.)
But yes, I will try to improve it, but it's not going to be perfect unless it's perfect to me and O.K. to other people.
But, keep in mind, to me, I would rather play a comedy game than an artsy game. In fact I don't even download any adventure games unless they say something about it being wacky or funny, atleast SLIGHTLY humorous. If it's not funny, even if it has the best art in the world, then I usually quit after about 5 minutes of playing.
Let's face it-there's too much focus on art and not enough on humour. I like comedy more than art, even though some people might disagree. Though, I'll try to keep a balance of the two somewhat, so don't worry about that.

Besides-why bug me about something I can't fix (or I'm already trying to?)

[nihilyst]

But, keep in mind, to me, I would rather play a comedy game than an artsy game. Let's face it-there's too much focus on art and not enough on humour. I like comedy more than art, even though some people might disagree.

But does comedy imply "bad art"? When you give the advices here an ear and try to improve your artistic skills, you won't lose your abilty to make a humorous game. Why not have a good comedy-game with good graphics.

Maybe you quit games, that have a serious kind of story, although they might have good graphics, but when I look at the floor of the room, you made, my eyes hurt. The color is too bright, you never would find that contrast in anyone's room, even it was in a comedy game, or an aquarium, that looks like a light bulb.

And if your game really is humorous is still to be proofed.

cheers
nihilyst

[Grapefruitologist]

I've already written most of it, and in my opinion, it is-I laughed at the jokes, but then again, I have a different kind of humour.
I am trying to make good graphics, but now that I've thought of this joke for the room, I can't just discard it for the sake of art.
And I have a carpet like that! I am dressed like Hailey. You say, "Nobody dresses like this," (In my other thread somebody said that) and "nobody has a carpet like this," when I am basing the game on my life. So how can I make a mistake at it being realistic? Atleast besides the souls switching bodies and alien abduction and tie-your-shoes-4-times thing.
I know what I am doing-don't worry. Even if I know nothing about art, I know what my goal is and when it's been reached. You only ask for criticism when it's incomplete, but it's completed now, so I don't need anymore criticism for this topic. Thanks anyway, though. And, don't worry, I'm not mad anyone, but sometimes you have to know when to quit criticizing.
Oh, and didn't I mention that this is the only room in the game with these faults? I will work twice as hard on the other rooms, but I'm keeping this the way it is.

[Renal Shutdown]

Perpestive is for losers.  You're on to a winner here.

And God screwed up when he made man.  We should all have ankles as thin as pencils.

I want to play this game so much my eyes hurt.

[Grapefruitologist]

And, to add to my last post, and close this thread, I'd like to say:
If you want to make an artistic, serious game, then YOU spend hours on the art, YOU write the script, YOU make the game. If I put this much work into a game, it should be my game, I'm not making a game for you. And as harsh as this sounds, I don't really care if you insult me, I mean really, no hard feelings.
No more posts please-we'll all get our accounts deleted if we keep argueing about this, atleast the thread will get locked.
(BTW, sorry if I sound like I'm getting too upset about this.)

[Renal Shutdown]

Grape, I'm deadly serious.  We need more games like this.  Captain Mostly defied logic and became reknowned.  It's good to see someone who's willing to push the envelope a little.  I, myself, refuse to be constrained my conventional perspective. As did Sam and Max and DOTT.  They're both classics.  If you want to make a game in this style, don't let anyone else tell you it's wrong.

If you like it, go with it.  If you think it can be improved and can't figure out how, ask for help.  As long as you're happy with it, that's all that matters.  The same rule has applied for all the respectable artist and musicians thru-out the years.  Picasso, Sonic Youth and all the other can't be wrong, can they?

[Grapefruitologist]

Ok, thanks Spleen.
Yep... maybe we should not post anymore, because the thread is officially dead now (I killed it xD), and there are other threads that are still active.
So, my last post.

[MarVelo]

This is the CRITICS lounge so dont get all hot and bothered. Have a nice day.

[Khris]

I could of sworn I used to save images on my Amiga via Personal Paint in jpg, hmm must have been something else.

I'm pretty sure you saved them as IFFs. At least that's what I did back then.

Grape, don't make up bad excuses for your first attempt at drawing a room being bad. And don't make it more significant than it is by bringing up some stupid comedy vs. art discussion.
And don't (really, don't) insult MI's graphics. That's just ridiculous & pathetic.

You could have simply admitted that the room didn't turn out what you wanted it to look like. If you don't wanna listen to all the people telling you that (even DOTT-like) perspective has gone haywire here, then why bother posting your work in the critics lounge?
If you don't wanna improve, don't post, and people won't tell you what's wrong with it.
Or grow up, post, get critics and live with it.

[big brother]

Try shrinking the background so we don't have to scroll left and right to read these damn posts.