Background of a Bedroom...

[MarVelo]

I agree. Its damn'd enoying

[skyfire2]

grape, you're beginning to piss me off. and quit insulting monkey island graphics, it just makes you look retarded. if you didn't know, the backgrounds in monkey island  took many months to make.

here's my suggestion, if you want your backgrounds to look good, google vanishing point. after that, practice. if your room doesn't use some sort of perspective, very few people will want to play your game. it's a logic based fact, accept it.

[Pet Terry]

My advice is...

...to get rid of those textures! They don't look very good at all, and are pain for my eyes. Also, I suggest you don't use so much brown/red colours. And plain grey just looks boring on the walls. You might also want to make the ceiling visible, because now the room looks very high.

That is, if you suddenly feel like polishing your graphics later.

[Grapefruitologist]

I agree. This is the CRITICS lounge, not the "useless already obvious unconstructive criticism" lounge.
I can't shrink the background because I'm using paint, but I already got somebody else to shrink it for me.
And I wasn't insulting their graphics, MI is the whole reason I like adventure games. Otherwise I wouldn't have known about them. I'm just saying that art doesn't always make the game very good.
It is a rule not to give unconstructive criticsm. And that is why I'm so annoyed at you all, because you never follow that rule, and you get away with it (I've been reading other people's threads and it's the same there a lot of the time.)
"You seriously accept this as a background? And I dispute that art is not as important as the comedy. If someone wanted comedy acompanied by something that looks like the decauss button was just hit they would take phsycodelic drugs and watch standup."
How is this any different than saying, "Oh, that sux, man"?
"My advice is...

...to get rid of those textures! They don't look very good at all, and are pain for my eyes. Also, I suggest you don't use so much brown/red colours. And plain grey just looks boring on the walls. You might also want to make the ceiling visible, because now the room looks very high.

That is, if you suddenly feel like polishing your graphics later. "
Petteri, very good, THAT is constructive criticsm. THAT is what the critic's lounge is for, and what I'm asking for. I'd already noticed and mentioned previously that the walls were too plain, so I agree. I really just would appreciate it if you (those that gave unconstructive criticsm) took the rules more seriously, that's all. It's not like I'm forcing you to play my game, but you can't force me to make it the exact way you want it.

"You could have simply admitted that the room didn't turn out what you wanted it to look like. If you don't wanna listen to all the people telling you that (even DOTT-like) perspective has gone haywire here, then why bother posting your work in the critics lounge?
If you don't wanna improve, don't post, and people won't tell you what's wrong with it.
Or grow up, post, get critics and live with it."
It DID turn out the way I wanted it to look like, basically. At first it didn't, and I HAD admitted that. But then I started thinking about it and I simply changed my mind, that's all. It was horrible to begin with, but the more I think about, the more it seems acceptable to my game. I wanted to improve, and I still do (the walls, even though I might not be able too), but now I've just simply changed my mind. I'm not going to do whatever you say, so live with it. If people don't play my game because of it, then fine, but if I don't like my own game then what's the point? It's not just an excuse to make it the way it is, that's my decision. I'm not bothered by criticsm, but don't just badger me about not making it the way you want it. Critic: Change the color? Me: Good! Ok, I'll think about it. Critic: Get rid of the JPEG distortion? Me: Ok, I'll try. Critic: Do you really accept this as a background? Me: Yes, I do. Critic: Put a blanket on the bed? Me: Yes, I'll do that. Critc: Fix the perspective? Me: Ok, I've already thought about it, and I've decided not too. Critic: Fix the perspective? Me: No, I've already though about that, I've decided not too. Critic: Fix the perspective? Me: SHUT THE HALIBUT UP! I'M NOT DOING IT!
That was just to show you why I'm upset. That's the way I see it. (You might see it differently, but this is the way I see it, just to show you how annoying it is.)
Give constructive criticsm, and I won't mind, even if you say "My advice is to start over and draw a new carpet, a rug, a painting of the Mona Lisa next to the Statue of Liberty, a dog, a cat, microscopic organisms and a closet with the boogie man in it, because right now your background is just horrible and you need to start over again, it looks like my little cousin drew it," I won't get upset. But if you give unconstructive criticsm, like, "That's the worst background I've ever seen. You're not good at this, you should give up," well, that's not even legal! So you shouldn't try it, even if I didn't get upset by it. And if you say something over and over again, like "That's a horrible excuse to draw a bad background, fix the perspective!" and I say "No, I'll keep it the way it is," and then you say, "You're making a horrible mistake, draw it correctly!" and I say, "No, sorry, that's the way it'll be," and you say, "Nobody will play your game! People will laugh at you! Now fix the perspective!" then I'm still not gonna do it, and get quite annoyed. This, to me, is like somebody saying, "I didn't make up the idea for it, I didn't write any of the dialogue or puzzles, I didn't do the programming or art for it, but please can you make this game for me?"
I don't mean to start argueing again here, and I don't mean to start any fights. I never meant to. But this is the way the game is going to be. I might be an idiot for doing this, but I'd be an idiot for not doing it too...

EDIT: Sorry for getting upset at you. But like I said before, criticsm is welcome, but only if it's constructive.
You probably are going to call me a defensive n00b for saying all this, but I hope you understand why I am.

[skyfire2]

grape, you need to fix the perspective. the bed looks like it's hovering over the shoes and everything confuses my eye so bad that they want to bleed. FIX IT!!!

[Grapefruitologist]

Then don't look at it.

[Mordalles]

i think the problem around here is that people are obsessed with vanishing points, thats all i ever hear.

theyre not making the game, you are. so do what you want with it. its not like u are getting paid for it. so make it for you. thats the most important, if you like the game, then it was worth it. people are too quick to give critic, but they never show us what they can do. if they can make a better game, let them prove it.

[Nikolas]

I have to say that most people in here have proven beyond doubt their skills in their art. Sorry Mordy but, although sometimes they are harsh sometimes, it's true. After all this place is for critics and this BG needed some bad ass critic as it was.

Now I agree completly that grape must do what he feels like. He supported his case fully imo and he shouldn't care what other people say in the end. They are right and from my experience in music and when other people show things to me, it is always obvious when something is done because of choice or because of lack of skills. Here it is the second. But again the point the people have made here is clear. Generally I would advice against deciding because of lack on something (as it happened here), but then again...

[Mordalles]

i just think that if people want to see something better, why dont they just do it themselves. half of the people criticising every game and demanding better graphics or better gameplay have never released a game themselves. they take too much for granted.

just keep the criticism constructive, thats all.

[MarVelo]

Now since when cant you shrink things in Paint?





Look, You can make crazy "MI" (i shake to say thine initials) and not make people brains bleed. Heed


I used absolutly no perspective at all and it is way off and would fit ur style!

Now dont say that its crappy cause this is made in Paint. (and im not bragging)

[Grapefruitologist]

Since it horribly distorts them.

And thanks Mordalles, that was my point.

Taffytom, I think you're missing the point here. I don't care what the room looks like. It's Kyle's bedroom, so it should be a little off. God knows he's a little off.

[MarVelo]

Is that really that much worse?

[erat]

were you drunk dude? cuz everything is like thisÃ,  /


oh wow my first post....  :o

[Grapefruitologist]

Taffytom, I think you're missing the point here. I don't care what the room looks like. It's Kyle's bedroom, so it should be a little off. God knows he's a little off.
Erat, it's supposed to look that way.

[Shane 'ProgZmax' Stevens]

Stop this. 

Grapefruitologist-  Usually I am exceedingly in favor of positive reinforcement as a means to improve the art of others (my many posts in this forum are proof of this) but some of these people have made extremely valid points about your work, which you, as the author, have posted for review and comment.  In your initial post you cite, and I quote:

"My mom says that perspective is wrong, but I can't really see it. "

Other people in the forum, to various degrees of kindness, have pointed out how the perspective is wrong since you made it clear you couldn't see it.  Whether or not you choose to continue making the game in a warped perspective or not is your choice, granted, but getting angry at people for showing you how the perspective is wrong and how you might improve it (in light of your admitted lack of 'seeing' the problem) is unacceptable.  You have posted this here for feedback, and I consider improving perspective to be useful (as do a great many people).

The rest of you-  Let the issue go.  If Grapefruitologist wishes to make the game in a non-standard perspective then sobeit.  Since it is clear that it is not a concern of the creator, move on to other critique.

Thank you.

[Grapefruitologist]

Well, I'm not making the whole GAME like this, just this one room, just for the joke.

EDIT: You can lock this thread now, if you want, because I think the arguement might just start up again.

I didn't mean to get angry, or even sound angry, so I am sorry. In fact, to make up for it, I'll fix the perspective in the sequel.

[ildu]

Taffytom, I think you're missing the point here. I don't care what the room looks like.

You lost me. So, why exactly did you start this thread?

[Erwin_Br]

The sad thing is that this thread is already 3 pages long, while people who *really* want to improve their work, and deserve a lot of attention, are happy to get only 1 or 2 pages. And this isn't the first time.

--Erwin

[MarVelo]

I didnt mean to be an *sshole, I just dont like people who make excuses

[Corey]

this critic lounge thing seems really offencive against people who really need help with their... If some one posts very good and detailed image that only needs some adjustments everyone is nice but when there is some who post an image with less skill it alway trouble  why's that ??