Ideal age/Now mostly about Religion and Religious Upbringing

Started by Helm, Mon 16/04/2007 21:47:35

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Huw Dawson

I don't quite get you Tuomas. I'm very bad at spotting other people's jokes. I'm also waiting for anticipation of getting my post ripped to shreds by Helm. It's almost a social event on these forums these days. :p

- Huw
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Tuomas

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Spot the joke:



do you think she's too young for me? She really liked it when I bought her those roses. They cost 500 euros. she bought me that kinky sailor cap for valentines.

Pumaman

Quote from: Huw "I'm scary" Dawson on Tue 24/04/2007 20:39:52
Trust me. You need to meet these people.

Come on, you need these people. Without them, there'd be nobody to collect your rubbish and serve you a Big Mac & Fries when you get older.

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EDIT: You haven't fully grasped the full impact of Thatcher's dismantling of the welfare state until you see former teenage mothers with their pregnant fifteen year old daughters.

But surely the existance of the welfare state is what allows people to get pregnant at 14, and live off the state for the next 16 years while they bring up their kid(s). If the welfare state was dismantled, they'd have to send the kid to work down the mines and start whoring themselves out to put bread on the table each day.

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Like it or lump it, the biggest reason why you should NEVER sleep with anyone under the age of 16 is the risk of pregnancy.

Why is it better to get a 16-year-old pregnant than a 15-year-old?

Huw Dawson

CJ, your 100% correct there. Without these people, people like us would go insane without our happy meals and people to look down at.  ;)

QuoteWhy is it better to get a 16-year-old pregnant than a 15-year-old?

Because a 16 year old is probably out of school. A 15 year old isn't.

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Helm

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Also, condoms work, pretty reliably.

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Good,

Good.

Quoteif anyone feels inclined, I'd like to hear what you think of (mainly psychological) maturity. Does psychological maturity equal experience?

Psychological maturity is the outcome of experience for a sensitive person. A person that is not receptive to how other people work and does not actively try to emphasize and understand will not benefit from experience in becoming more mature, but will benefit in other ways. They might become better at control situations or manipulating people, or just achieve true brick-wall-ness where nothing they hear by other people phases them.

For experience to teach one to be psychologically mature, though that's a nebulous term I hope we understand more or less what we both mean, that person must be predisposed towards a desire for understanding for its sake, a honest caring for his close people. I think people end up like these semi-randomly. In that the processes of biological makeover and upbringing are so complex we perieve the results as near-random. I've met women from loving families that never were lacking anything as they were growing up to be cold bitches with only themselves in their mind, and I've met - and I am best friends - with a person who grew up in an abusive family with idiots for parents who is very caring and understanding.

QuoteCan an inexperienced person be seen as mature if he/she takes chances and the outcome is favorable?

There are child prodigies that just understand people much faster. But I don't think you really have the capacity for true empathy until you've been delt a few strong blows in your life. When you desired something from another person and the clash of willpowers resulted in not getting what you wanted. Only then you start to treat people - because they're reflections of yourself - more humanely, if so predisposed. A good clear eye for dissecting human behaviour is not enough. Analysis is not enough. People must hurt to be kind.

QuoteWhere is the line between bravery and maturity drawn (assuming there are no certain outcomes)?

I am not sure I understand this one. Perhaps you'd like to define for me what is bravery and what is maturity just a bit more before I can discuss the two in opposition because I don't see them overlapping much in my own worldview. I don't know what bravery is if not a desire to be self-consequent ethically and in action, but that's not about maturity always.

QuoteIt's almost a social event on these forums these days. :p

Please don't say this. It's not.
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Huw Dawson

Well I think it is. In an exaggerated sort of way of course.

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Helm

I am not here to be hilarious for you or anything like that. I just had a discussion with monkey in which I presented some - I believe interesting - arguments a bit humourously to not beat him over the head with them. That is all.
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Huw Dawson

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Fair enough. I was just refering to the fact that alot of people seem to make very long posts on these forums to attract people to come and unpick it. I actually find somebody unpicking my entire post and making intelligent observations about it a very refreshing change from me having to run an entire debate because nobody seems to want to talk about anything. So sue me.

- Huw

EDIT: You have to admit Helm, you do make alot of people smile with your posts. It's a good talent. :p

EDIT: Hang on, it's starting to sound like I'm infatuated with Helm or something. Shut up Huw.
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Pumaman

Quote from: Huw "I'm scary" Dawson on Tue 24/04/2007 21:23:16
CJ, your 100% correct there. Without these people, people like us would go insane without our happy meals and people to look down at.  ;)

You may look down, but actually I have immense respect for people who do the "shit jobs" in society. Imagine getting up at 5:00 every morning, touring the streets picking up other people's stinking, rotten waste and getting hepetitis from a needle that was left sticking out of someone's rubbish bag; and all for minimum wage. I don't think I could do it.

But more than that, for the economy to work it needs people who flunk at school and end up doing those sorts of jobs. Because if everyone was a straight-A student, we'd have no cleaners, no rubbish collectors and no McHaveANiceDays; and society would be in big trouble as a result.

Tuomas

Quote from: Huw "I'm scary" Dawson on Tue 24/04/2007 21:36:25
alot of people seem to make very long posts on these forums to attract people to come and unpick it.

Yeah, people tend to post and hope their post is not ignored. Otherwise they wouldn't post at all. Often a long one has more stuff in it than one with just 4 sentences, and has much more to discuss about.
* Tuomas looks at his 4 sentences x_x

Huw Dawson

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Actually, I wasn't reffering to rubbish collectors. I would have used them as an example if I did. Most rubbish collectors around here are simply people that have retired from their job and work with the council for a little income.

What I am reffering to is that many people have crittically low aspirations in life, or even worse, none at all. I can't honestly think of anybody other than me in my year that has sat down and said "Yes, I want to be at university in three years time, and then go into politics" the best I've heard is "I'm going to college so I can get a decent job around here". Nobody wants to leave. Nobody wants to make a name for themselves. It's honestly rather depressing how many people in my area see school as a small speed bump between having fun and having a family/working.

And because I'm a snooty begger I usually end up looking down on these people.

The problem is, these low asperations lead to dreary lives, which encourage kids to go and get knocked up every night. It's bad enough that my town is a famous town for "never-leavingness", but the infectious dreary outlook on life basically leads up to problems like this.

- Huw

EDIT: That's true Tuomas. Good point.
The problem is people, not just on forums like this but especially on big ones, try and make lots of points to hope to get noticed. They want to be part of the "it crowd" of all the ancient posters who are really good friends. Hence my point.
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monkey0506

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Quote from: vict0r on Tue 24/04/2007 14:39:10I'm actually awaiting monkey's answer!

Then let me oblige.

Quote from: Nikolas on Mon 23/04/2007 17:55:28You know what Monkey?

I don't care about the age gap or the 14 numer.

I care about your obsession mostly! "She's the one!". What one? Heck, it must be hell to be with 1 girl and nobody else really.

And something else:

for me the perfect relationship has 1 and only element: The girl loves me back as I love her (as much, or simmilarly, or she respondes).

I really can't udnerstand you waiting and waiting.

If I said "she's the one", please forgive me. I don't believe I actually used that phrase, but if I did, I apologize. However, let me reiterate once more: I would like this girl to be 'the one', but it DOES NOT mean that I necessarily believe she will be. I have come to terms with this fact, and it would be beneficial to my sanity if everyone else here could too. I'm obsessive by nature. It's something I've had to try and find a way to deal with my whole life. If I'm talking to someone and I mispronounce a word, I will obsess over it for days, possibly even weeks, asking myself how I could have been so stupid. This isn't the first girl I've ever fallen for, but I've never fallen for a girl as deeply as I have this one. I know my obsessive behaviour could be seen as "creepy" but it's really just a part of who I am.

Another thing that I believe I mentioned is that at this point in my life I am not seeking any type of romantic relationship. I'm not going to deny the way I feel about this girl, but right now I don't want to be anything more than just friends with her. Any such type of relationship right now would probably serve to prevent me being able to serve my two year mission to the Death Star and back. Hopefully this paragraph will also help to explain said "waiting and waiting."

Quote from: Nikolas on Mon 23/04/2007 17:55:28You're not ugly really though ;) not by a million! :D

Quote from: Mr. Buckéthead on Mon 23/04/2007 17:56:05You're not ughly. You just have a silly look on your face.  :)

Quote from: Helm on Mon 23/04/2007 18:00:52Yeah you're not terminally ugly, so probably abstinent by choice.

Thanks guys. It's always a nice confidence booster to be told that I'm not terminally ugly...for once. :)

Quote from: Helm on Mon 23/04/2007 18:00:52Let's talk your religious background.

Quote from: Helm on Mon 23/04/2007 22:58:04Unless you're a mormon.

Ahhh...so you have gotten me figured out then. You and your telepathy.... :P

Yeah...that's right. I'm a Mormon. Now this could spawn a whole new thread just based on this fact, but I'd like to set some things straight.

1) Mormons have not practiced polygamy for over one hundred years, since 1890 when church officials denounced the practice.1

2) Mormons do not use The Book of Mormon as a replacement to the Bible.2 The Book of Mormon is intended to complement the Bible as "Another Testament of Jesus Christ".3

3) I'm not here to try and convert everyone. In fact, I've tried to stay out of most religious threads on these forums altogether. The reason being that I don't know loads of things about my own religion. I've never read The Book of Mormon in its entirety. I've never even read the Bible cover to cover. But due to my own religious convictions I believe them both to be true. For a lot of people that's hardly conclusive evidence, which is why I've tried to steer clear of religious debates.

4) My top-sekrit mission to the Death Star is a mission I'll be serving for my church. As a Mormon, I don't decide "this is where I want to go" and then go. I submit my registration papers to the church headquarters where it is then determined where my mission will be served. The Mormon church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) has rather strict standards regarding who is allowed to go on a mission. This is why I don't know exactly when I'll be going (due to my addiction to pornography). But a full-term mission is two years.

I've mentioned my pornography addiction because I don't want to seem a hypocrite. I have had problems with it in the past, and it's something I'm currently dealing with. I'm not proud to admit it, but I do so in the hopes that perhaps people will take me seriously. By my own convictions I have decided to give it up.

By my own convictions I have decided to put an end to the masturbation. By my own convictions I've decided to stop looking at pornography. By my own convictions I've decided to abstain from premarital sex.4

I don't condemn you all to Hell if you have chosen to live your lives differently. But for me, this is the way I have decided to live my life. If you have questions, I'd be willing to answer them...but would it be too much to ask for you not to judge me? This is the way I've chosen to live my life. If you can't deal with that then I'm sorry for the hardness of your own hearts and the thickness of your skulls. But I will not apologize for living my life by my own convictions.

-monkey

1http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon#Distinctions_from_other_religious_groups
2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon#Basic_beliefs_.28Articles_of_Faith.29
3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mormon
4Masturbation aside I am in fact still a virgin, as previously stated.

Huw Dawson

Good for you Monkey. It's always nice to see people following their religious beliefs to the core. Just keep in mind that this love of your life could change in your two year religious mission on the death star, okay? :)  Personally, as long as anyones not burning my house down or knocking on my door with pamphlets, then I really can't give a damn if they are a christian, muslim, jew, satanist, athiest...

Anywho, this topic has been dragged a little off topic by me, so I'm going to shut up now. Good night everyone. :)

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Pumaman

Quote from: m0ds on Mon 23/04/2007 23:37:48
CJ, that reminds me. This was a YouTube comment on your Mittens 06 "speaking welsh" segment outside Home from Home;

Quotewkd chris i luv yuur accent bbe !!

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=BzAFoOcuxtg

Sounds like you are being hit on by a 14 yr old! :P

Wait a minute, what?!?!? When did the Mittens vids appear on youtube??

I'm calling my lawyer.

And I need to learn to stand still.

monkey0506

I understand that said "love of my life" could change during the next 2-3 years. I understand that. But it doesn't change the way I feel about her. Which is what spawned the whole "OMG PAEDOMONKEYPHILIA" discussions.

Tuomas

That's the spirit. Dont' let anything change your mind! Not even the police.

monkey0506

Having feelings for a 14 year old and actually becoming involved in a relationship with one are two different things. The difference: the first one isn't illegal!

P.S. The 14 year old will be turning 15 in 16 days. FTW! :P

vict0r

Quote from: Huw "I'm scary" Dawson on Tue 24/04/2007 21:23:16
Because a 16 year old is probably out of school. A 15 year old isn't.

Wuzzat? You kidding? Most people here go to school at least until they are 19.

Fleshstalker

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Quote from: Helm on Tue 24/04/2007 16:15:14
Fatal Fury, go tell the love of your life that you just hit on a girl you don't know, on the internet.
I couldn't resist replying to Ivy's hawt comment.
Quote from: Helm on Tue 24/04/2007 16:15:14
Anyway, this is a sad turn for this thread.
It's bound to get worst when I tell you all that I lost my virginity at 2nd grade after school.   :)

SSH

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Like it or lump it, the biggest reason why you should NEVER sleep with anyone under the age of 16 is the risk of pregnancy.

Since I've had the snip, does that mean I can start hanging around schools with my dirty mac?
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