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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #320 on: 17 Aug 2017, 06:21 »
Yeah, they've shot themselves in the foot. Been doing it for some time.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #321 on: 17 Aug 2017, 06:30 »
Yes, I don't think it's fair to categorise America as being worse off under Trump.
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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #322 on: 17 Aug 2017, 06:33 »
There was one candidate we might've been slightly less worse-off under, but he got taken behind the woodshed.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #323 on: 17 Aug 2017, 06:55 »
There was one candidate we might've been slightly less worse-off under, but he got taken behind the woodshed.

Sanders? Maybe. He wanted to focus on infrastructure and American production too.
He might have pulled out of Syria. He was certainly going to ensure a better deal for Palestine.
I don't think anyone had a good solution to the China and national debt problems.
As an outsider, I think what the Democratic (socialist?) party did to him was pretty awful.
I wasn't replying to you directly, by the way. My post was a reply to Stupot's question.

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #324 on: 17 Aug 2017, 07:03 »
No, I don't think it's fair to categorise America as being worse off under Trump.
I don't think that's a fact-based statement.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #325 on: 17 Aug 2017, 07:15 »
No, I don't think it's fair to categorise America as being worse off under Trump.
I don't think that's a fact-based statement.

Actually, now that I've re-read the question, I've changed my reply.

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #326 on: 17 Aug 2017, 07:33 »
There was one candidate we might've been slightly less worse-off under, but he got taken behind the woodshed.

Sanders? Maybe. He wanted to focus on infrastructure and American production too.
He might have pulled out of Syria. He was certainly going to ensure a better deal for Palestine.
I don't think anyone had a good solution to the China and national debt problems.
As an outsider, I think what the Democratic (socialist?) party did to him was pretty awful.
I wasn't replying to you directly, by the way. My post was a reply to Stupot's question.

To be fair, I don't think any candidate could've done much, because we're living under Neofeudalism (tm), not democracy.

Elections and governments and all that horse shit are dog-and-pony-shows to sell Ensure and bloated fruitless subprime college tuitions to Boomers and keep millennials dumping mute rage and data and eyeball time into tech-leviathans server-vaults while people who actually run the world go about running it.

Would've been nice to at least have someone who wasn't an incompetent fascist *oompa-loompa or a competent fascist vampire squid  at least as the puppethead of the United States, though. Bernie was a nice guy. Probably would've gotten steamrolled or assassinated or whatever, but would've been nice to say, "Hey, we had an actual nice guy pretending to be in charge for two days!"

(*oompa-loompa won)
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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #327 on: 17 Aug 2017, 09:50 »
Ah yes, good old "both-sides-are-equally-bad"-ism. Lowering my respect for AGSers since 2004.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #328 on: 17 Aug 2017, 09:55 »
I think the foot has to accept some responsibility for being shot.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #329 on: 17 Aug 2017, 11:00 »
Ah yes, good old "both-sides-are-equally-bad"-ism. Lowering my respect for AGSers since 2004.

It strikes me that the smartest thing the republicans have done over the past decade is tell people that all politicians are bad, because this keeps a lot of people from voting against them. There is a clear correlation that the less people vote, the more seats go to the reps.

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #330 on: 17 Aug 2017, 11:48 »
Come on, lighten up! Hey, somebody had to sell that Viagra and trading platforms! Sure the fuck wasn't Jeb! (laugh)

In all serious though, as someone living in the U.S. and a person of color, fuck Nazis and fuck Trump!

(Native Hawaiian -- they all think I'm Mexican on the mainland and I get "random searched" every time at the border.)
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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #331 on: 17 Aug 2017, 12:02 »
*stirs the pot*

Does anyone still think America haven't shot themselves in the foot?
Well I remember wanting to wait and see if Trump was going to be a terrible president. Because at the time all we had to go on was his election campaign, and I felt as though people were being too quick to judge.

Since then though, I've realised all of those people were absolutely right in their presumptions.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #332 on: 17 Aug 2017, 12:57 »
Well I remember wanting to wait and see if Trump was going to be a terrible president. Because at the time all we had to go on was his election campaign, and I felt as though people were being too quick to judge.

Since then though, I've realised all of those people were absolutely right in their presumptions.

I would go as far as to say that America is currently without a president.

Apart from the whims of an idiot, only the ruthless infighting of the government system remains at the moment to run the country, and that is not going to end well...

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #333 on: 17 Aug 2017, 16:49 »
No, I don't think it's fair to categorise America as being worse off under Trump.
I don't think that's a fact-based statement.

Actually, now that I've re-read the question, I've changed my reply.
Remove the Yes / No, and it's still not a fact-based statement.

There is a possibility, however, that America will be better off after his presidency, because people will be mobilized to prevent something like this from happening again.  Until we again become complacent...

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #334 on: 17 Aug 2017, 23:58 »
Remove the Yes / No, and it's still not a fact-based statement.

There is a possibility, however, that America will be better off after his presidency, because people will be mobilized to prevent something like this from happening again.  Until we again become complacent...

I'm not sure what you're getting at or what you thought Stupot's question was.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #335 on: 18 Aug 2017, 01:00 »
He's saying that your assertion that America is no worse off isn't supported by the evidence. This thread is full of examples of things that are worse as a consequence of Trump taking office. I'd be interested to know how those bad things are balanced out by the good things you think the President has achieved.

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #336 on: 18 Aug 2017, 06:33 »
There is a possibility, however, that America will be better off after his presidency, because people will be mobilized to prevent something like this from happening again.  Until we again become complacent...
It's funny because I often wonder if the *best* thing for America is Trump. Not Trump himself though (obviously). Where he has indirectly shown us what's wrong with that country and what needs to be fixed. Before Trump, did the world know how rough of shape that country was in? The people seem immensely divided.

When I watch the buffoon's speeches, a small part of me wonders if he's playing the role of the fool to help unite everyone against what's broken; shine some light on the creeps who have been hiding in the shadows. But who am I kidding. lol

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #337 on: 18 Aug 2017, 06:56 »
He's saying that your assertion that America is no worse off isn't supported by the evidence. This thread is full of examples of things that are worse as a consequence of Trump taking office. I'd be interested to know how those bad things are balanced out by the good things you think the President has achieved.
Yes, this.  Exactly this.

It's funny because I often wonder if the *best* thing for America is Trump. Not Trump himself though (obviously). Where he has indirectly shown us what's wrong with that country and what needs to be fixed. Before Trump, did the world know how rough of shape that country was in? The people seem immensely divided.

When I watch the buffoon's speeches, a small part of me wonders if he's playing the role of the fool to help unite everyone against what's broken; shine some light on the creeps who have been hiding in the shadows. But who am I kidding. lol
I know, I'm almost torn on it.  Like yeah, it's a horrible term.  But maybe it brings this evil to light, and maybe it serves a higher purpose?  Maybe I'm just trying to find the silver lining in this devastating hurricane of a president.

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Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #338 on: 18 Aug 2017, 08:00 »
Let's have a kickstarter to raise some money for a good assassin ;)

Re: Trumpmageddon
« Reply #339 on: 18 Aug 2017, 08:06 »
I'm not sure. He seems (perhaps not deliberately) to be encouraging division. What does he have to do or say to make even his own supporters say "oh, yeah, that was a shitty thing to say." The opposite is happenning. Everyone, on the left and right, is stubbornly sticking to their guns and hurling abuse at anyone on the other 'side'.

It's ridicluous. Who said there even has to be a side? Can't people make their own opinions without feeling like they have to be part of a gang? Left and right is bullshit. I hate even using those terms. I make my opinions on a case by case basis. Most of them happen to align with more left-wing opinions but I'm not joining hands with everybody else on the left... some of them are bullies and arseholes too. Still others are needy hug seekers. (Also the recent Corbyn-mania in the UK has been utterly embarrassing - I cautiously voted for the guy, but why are people so willing to throw their entire logical process into one temporary political movement? It makes me cringe.)

People say 'but but humans need to be part of a group'. Not me. I love being alone with my own free-will and decision-making capabilities (well I did... then I got married, but yeah...)