Topic: A jab or not a jab....that is the question

[Khris]

Right-wing nutjobs have reached the "Maybe evil, sly leftists tricked us into dying from not being vaccinated using reverse psychology" stage of the pandemic.

breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

You've gotta admire the mental gymnastics these people are capable of though.

[Danvzare]

Right-wing nutjobs have reached the "Maybe evil, sly leftists tricked us into dying from not being vaccinated using reverse psychology" stage of the pandemic.

That's basically just right-wing nutjobs admitting that they think the leftists are smarter than they are.
I mean honestly, how dumb do you have to be to believe you're dumb enough to be duped by something so simple, yet still smart enough to be right while they're wrong.
That lack of logic is staggering. 

[Stupot]

Such bullshit, even for Breitbart.

If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life-saving vaccination, I would do exactly what Stern and the left are doing… I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, Hey, fuck you, I’m never getting vaccinated!

In actual fact, the “leftists” have only ever been urging everyone to “please get vaccinated” over and over a-fucking-gain. Any ridiculing comes only after those people have argued against vaccination for the umpteenth time using memes and YouTube as proof.

I don’t really care if they think they’ve been tricked. As long as they can finally admit the vaccine can save lives and get the fucking shot, so that my family can finally fucking meet my son.

[Khris]

Oh man, that sucks.

It is very funny on a certain level though: Republican tier 3 influencers are essentially killing their own base by telling them not to get vaccinated, however they sincerely believe their own BS so they aren't vaccinated either and are all dying of COVID, too.
Tier 1 Republicans are all vaccinated of course, even if they are lying about it. Even funnier is that Trump had a rally and told people to get the shot and promptly got booed for it. You just cannot make this up.

What makes this less funny is the people who are suffering, and I'm mostly talking about the ICU docs. Last winter they were stressed out and overwhelmed by people dying left and right from a new and deadly disease. Now the ICUs are full of people dying again, but this time around there's a safe and effective vaccine. I cannot imagine the exasperation and frustration on top of the long working hours and the fact that sometimes these people get harangued or even threatened by the families because they didn't give the latest Darwin award winner* some horse deworming paste.

(*having said that, most of these people are actually victims, too. Victims of trauma, victims of psychos peddling distrust in science, etc.)

[Danvzare]

Does it bother anyone else that whether or not you're for or against vaccination is tied to your political beliefs?
What if I don't want to get vaccinated but like the idea of socialized healthcare?
Or what if I want everyone to get vaccinated but hate the idea of immigrants coming into the country?

The whole Left vs Right thing makes no sense.

[Cassiebsg]

Apparently over there there's only white or black, tone variations or colours don't exist. You're either for or against. 

[Khris]

Apparently you've never seen this?



 

[Ali]

Does it bother anyone else that whether or not you're for or against vaccination is tied to your political beliefs?
What if I don't want to get vaccinated but like the idea of socialized healthcare?

Why would you expect things that are of great political significant to be unconnected to people's political beliefs? I would expect people who are in favour of socialised healthcare generally to be in favour of mass vaccination, because both involve state intervention in the interest of public health. Of course, people do hold views that aren't self consistent. But it's weird to think of political opinions as existing in a vacuum.

[Stupot]

I think Dan’s point, which I agree with, is that most people who are against vaccination aren’t against it because of some well-reasoned opinions based on their own nuanced political belief system. They’re against vaccines because they only trust what the right-wing meme generators and shit-stirring YouTubers are telling them to believe.

Particularly in America. Yes, some anti-vaxxers might be able to point to [what they see as] genuine reasons based on their politics and might even be able to explain it somewhat articulately, but most of them just simply want to do the exact opposite of what Biden or anyone on the “left” is asking them to do, because WHOOOHOOO MURICA! That’s not politics, that’s stupidity.

[Ali]

I think there's - arguably - some correlation between stupidity and reactionary politics.

[Khris]

Just found the perfect website:

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

Found via YKS episode 219 (jump to 7 minutes in)

[Sinitrena]

Is that really a "perfect" website, in any sense at all?

What good does it do? It won't change the opinion of a single anti-vaxxer - on the contrary, I'm pretty sure it will make them even more obdurate, if they even see it. Most people don't react very well to being put on the spot like that. And for people who are vaccinated, what purpose does it serve but to make them go "See, see, these idiots brought this onto themselves!"; thereby creating an even greater rift in society.

No, this website is counterproductive.

[Khris]

This website is for people on the fence, who think they're "healthy" so they don't need the vaccination, or who are more afraid of the side effects than of COVID thanks to online liars.