Good Movies You Hate

Started by Mandle, Sat 18/07/2020 16:02:37

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TheFrighter


Michel Hazanavicius's The Artist.
Yeah, the nostalgia of the silent era. The actors are good, The setting is fine.

But... it don't add nothing new.

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Mandle

Quote from: TheFrighter on Sun 25/10/2020 09:03:26

Michel Hazanavicius's The Artist.
Yeah, the nostalgia of the silent era. The actors are good, The setting is fine.

But... it don't add nothing new.

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I would have loved that movie if
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they hadn't tacked on a happy ending. It should have ended with her trying to pull him out of his depression and alcoholism and failing. That would have been unexpected and interesting.
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Jared

The only one leaping to mind is The Maltese Falcon. It was an odd progression. On a whim I read some Raymond Chandler novels and absolutely fell in love with his style and how wonderously overblown-to-the-point-of-camp the colourful hardboiled metaphors were. Now, every man and their dog on the internet seems to be agreed that Raymond Chandler is an absolute laughable amateur compared to Dashiell Hammett. So, given Maltese Falcon is by far and away Hammett's most famous novel it was the obvious one to read. I was pretty excited.

The book sucks. Oh my god does it suck. Sam Spade is the most godawful boring Mary Sue lead I've ever read, who effortlessly overpowers every crook he meets and bangs every dame. There's no real mystery - the four characters you meet near the start are about it, and they're all trying to double cross one another to get the stupid bird statue that they have no reason to believe is real. They just constantly meet up in different configurations, point guns at one another and get beaten up by Sam until... I dunno, they get arrested? Now, Chandler plots aren't Dickens but he wrote them well. But I didn't find any piece of Hammett's prose vaguely memorable. It was a staggeringly dull wash.

So I reasoned "Aha, it must be the film! The famous iconic film by John Huston must be so good that it made the book good by association!"

Well, the film is beautifully shot and the cast are excellent and the music is great... really, everything superficial is great but... it's a pretty faithful adaptation. And seeing Humphrey Bogart in live action just constantly, non-stop, with no effort at all overpower all these dudes who have guns when he's unarmed can't really be made not ridiculous. It's like if a weasel-faced uncle of yours made a vanity project film where he gets to be Jackie Chan. I guess these kind of pulpy pseudo-heroics were more passable at the time, but I found it hard to take seriously. The film is unarguably a classic, though, and it launched everyone's careers into the stratosphere so I'm an outlier.

Marcin K.

I hate "Joker". It's a decent film. Well done rip-off of "Taxi driver". As standalone film - technicaly really good. Phoenix as always - great. But makes no sense as comic book character adaptation. It ruins Joker. Has nothing to do with comic book insane criminal mastermind. All that explaining how did he became the one he is, blaming the "system", making him an icon and symbol of social unrests... this really sucks. That part is thick a wooden malled and designed for millenials who got excited when they see Gut Fawkes masks and need "message" written with huge letters and repeated few times just to be sure. In other words: another fascinating case about how corporations makes money and get critical acclaim selling anticapitalism as a product. As a former comic book fan - disappointed as hell. Yet camerawork really good (shameless copy of the "Taxi Driver" style but good)

Mandle

In the case of "Joker", you can always just assume that the main character was a comic book fan who fantasized the whole thing about living in Gotham City and meeting Bruce Wayne and his dad, and eventually becoming the Joker. He was really just a delusional dude living in New York. Kinda like the guy who thought he was the Joker and shot up that movie theater, although I believe the claim that he thought he was the Joker has since been thrown into doubt.

Mandle

Legends Of The Fall

Beautifully shot with jaw-dropping scenery and fairly decent acting all around, this completely humorless movie is one of the biggest downers of all-time.

Every scene exists only to drip tragedy and melodrama from every frame. Even when the characters appear to be happy for a few brief montage moments, you have to wonder why. They should have learned by now that, in their universe, happiness is just the setup the writer is using to make it sting more when they snatch it away in the next scene.

I actually started laughing about halfway through when the body count from war, tragic accident, and suicide started to approach that of a Rambo movie and only kept watching to see how each scene was going to try and top the last with even more over-the-top ghastly tragedy.

Oh, and did I mention it's looooong? They could have thrown in at least one chuckle or even moment to smile at somewhere but NO! The movie must continue taking itself seriously for what feels like at least 6 hours of runtime.

Truly a film for lovers of Misery-Porn. For me though, it's more a Legend Of The Fail.

milkanannan

Sorry, I've probably misinterpreted this thread (again), but Japanese Netflix film 'Mother' (2020). Wonderfully casted. Beautifully shot. The story moves along quickly but it is not disjointed in any way. But Christ, that was depressing. So depressing I wish I hadn't seen it, and actually I completely hate that I saw it. I will never watch this good movie again! (laugh)

Mandle

Quote from: milkanannan on Thu 05/11/2020 06:08:57
Sorry, I've probably misinterpreted this thread (again), but Japanese Netflix film 'Mother' (2020). Wonderfully casted. Beautifully shot. The story moves along quickly but it is not disjointed in any way. But Christ, that was depressing. So depressing I wish I hadn't seen it, and actually I completely hate that I saw it. I will never watch this good movie again! (laugh)

I've heard that about that movie. I will never rewatch One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest for the same reason.

LimpingFish

Quote from: milkanannan on Thu 05/11/2020 06:08:57
Sorry, I've probably misinterpreted this thread (again), but Japanese Netflix film 'Mother' (2020)...

I was just about to be all pedantic and point out that Mother is Korean, before I stopped myself and realized it was an altogether different film to this one. Equally disturbing to watch, but fantastic and highly recommended. Which is the opposite of what this thread is about, so...

The Curious Case of Benjamin Button. Everything about it screams quality, yet I found it equal parts tedious and (unintentionally) hilarious. :-\
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Monsieur OUXX

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milkanannan

Quote from: Nergal on Tue 10/11/2020 09:38:34
I suppose this is going to sound very odd but I couldn't stand Spirited Away I'm not saying that it's a bad movie, because it's obvious that it isn't, but it was imposible to me to enjoy it  :undecided:


Why was it impossible for you to enjoy it?

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Creamy

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QuoteMichel Hazanavicius's The Artist.
Yeah, the nostalgia of the silent era. The actors are good, The setting is fine.

But... it don't add nothing new.

I respectfully disagree. I found some bits inventive.
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QuoteI would have loved that movie if

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they hadn't tacked on a happy ending. It should have ended with her trying to pull him out of his depression and alcoholism and failing. That would have been unexpected and interesting.
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That's what she does. Giving him a new success is a little easy but I don't see how she could have pulled him out of his depression without helping him find new meaning to his life. Surely, the success of their dancing act would fade over time and problems would start again. Hopefully, he'd cope better next time with the help of his friends.
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Babar

Quote from: Nergal on Wed 11/11/2020 09:01:42
Quote from: milkanannan on Wed 11/11/2020 06:13:37
Quote from: Nergal on Tue 10/11/2020 09:38:34
I suppose this is going to sound very odd but I couldn't stand Spirited Away I'm not saying that it's a bad movie, because it's obvious that it isn't, but it was imposible to me to enjoy it  :undecided:


Why was it impossible for you to enjoy it?

It's difficult for me to answer this question. I suposse it was a mix of expectations, my mood when I watched the film and some kind of feeling about I wasn't understand what the film was talking about sometimes. But as I said I feel that it's a very subjective appreciation (and possibly a wrong one)  :smiley:

I can't really say I ever had strong enough feelings to hate them, but so much of the Studio Ghibli filmography blurs together for me into this unmemorable mass of children having adventures with supernatural creatures in idyllic settings.
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Mandle

Quote from: Babar on Wed 11/11/2020 15:45:19
I can't really say I ever had strong enough feelings to hate them, but so much of the Studio Ghibli filmography blurs together for me into this unmemorable mass of children having adventures with supernatural creatures in idyllic settings.

For me, "Spirited Away", is my favorite Japanese animated film of all time. I love the main character for her honesty and clumsiness in everything she does. She has one goal and she sticks to it, but she never tries to betray anyone who trusts her to get to that goal. In fact, she causes a shit-load of trouble by just being kind-hearted enough to let the faceless banned spirit to come in from out of the rain. The faceless spirit gobbles up everyone else when they accept more and more of its treasure, but then gets confused when our main character only wants one of the hot-water keys that it has to give her. It tries to give her more and more, just like it gave more and more gold to the toad, but she doesn't need them. This confuses and fascinates the faceless spirit, that someone is unselfish, and he goes with her on her journey to the island of the mistress' twin.
I could honestly write for page upon page about how deep these moral themes are, and I haven't even mentioned the metaphor of how everyone trapped in this world is somehow lacking something they need to find, represented by their forgotten names.
Even if taken as a literal story, it has one of the greatest open-endings of all time for me.
Our main character knows that their car has been sitting there for at least a few months, or years,, as evidenced by the leaves and mud caked on it. But she doesn't tell the parents anything as they drive off to their new home they think is still waiting for them.
I have always wondered what the police process would look like after it was realized that this family that had disappeared months or years ago had suddenly shown up again.

Danvzare

Quote from: Babar on Wed 11/11/2020 15:45:19
I can't really say I ever had strong enough feelings to hate them, but so much of the Studio Ghibli filmography blurs together for me into this unmemorable mass of children having adventures with supernatural creatures in idyllic settings.
As someone once told me, they can all be summarized as "fish out of water" movies. Ponyo being quite literal in that regard.
Personally, I like them all. But I can definitely understand how them might "blur together" if you've watched them all. Then again, the same can be said with Disney and Pixar.

cat

I love "Spirited Away", mainly for the setting, the visuals but also the story and the weird characters.
However, I didn't like "Princess Mononoke" or "Nausica". I just couldn't get into them.

Galen

Mononoke needs acknowledging for being the nightmare fuel that it is, horrifying worm boars, vengeful nature gods, and a somewhat doom filled story. Feels more akin to something like Neverending Story with its mix of surreal nightmares and general doom.

Mandle

Quote from: Galen on Thu 12/11/2020 21:13:32
Mononoke needs acknowledging for being the nightmare fuel that it is, horrifying worm boars, vengeful nature gods, and a somewhat doom filled story. Feels more akin to something like Neverending Story with its mix of surreal nightmares and general doom.

It is a great movie, but would also belong on my list here for me personally. I don't hate it, but I wouldn't probably watch it again. It feels like an attempt by Gibli to do something epic like Lord Of The Rings, as much as Naushika felt like a Dune ripoff at times (lookin' at YOU giant mystical worms!). Mononoke had me snoozing a bit during the long story-building scenes but the amazing action scenes did wake me up, especially the Princess' ninja-style attack on the industrial town. But, yeah, Gibli does much better focusing on smaller and more personal stories.

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