A jab or not a jab....that is the question

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Khris

Right-wing nutjobs have reached the "Maybe evil, sly leftists tricked us into dying from not being vaccinated using reverse psychology" stage of the pandemic.

breitbart.com/entertainment/2021/09/10/nolte-howard-stern-proves-democrats-want-unvaccinated-trump-voters-dead/

You've gotta admire the mental gymnastics these people are capable of though.

Danvzare

Quote from: Khris on Wed 22/09/2021 09:29:16
Right-wing nutjobs have reached the "Maybe evil, sly leftists tricked us into dying from not being vaccinated using reverse psychology" stage of the pandemic.
That's basically just right-wing nutjobs admitting that they think the leftists are smarter than they are.
I mean honestly, how dumb do you have to be to believe you're dumb enough to be duped by something so simple, yet still smart enough to be right while they're wrong.
That lack of logic is staggering.  8-0

Stupot

#82
Such bullshit, even for Breitbart.

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If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life-saving vaccination, I would do exactly what Stern and the left are doing... I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, Hey, fuck you, I'm never getting vaccinated!

In actual fact, the "leftists" have only ever been urging everyone to "please get vaccinated" over and over a-fucking-gain. Any ridiculing comes only after those people have argued against vaccination for the umpteenth time using memes and YouTube as proof.

I don't really care if they think they've been tricked. As long as they can finally admit the vaccine can save lives and get the fucking shot, so that my family can finally fucking meet my son.

Khris

#83
Oh man, that sucks.

It is very funny on a certain level though: Republican tier 3 influencers are essentially killing their own base by telling them not to get vaccinated, however they sincerely believe their own BS so they aren't vaccinated either and are all dying of COVID, too.
Tier 1 Republicans are all vaccinated of course, even if they are lying about it. Even funnier is that Trump had a rally and told people to get the shot and promptly got booed for it. You just cannot make this up.

What makes this less funny is the people who are suffering, and I'm mostly talking about the ICU docs. Last winter they were stressed out and overwhelmed by people dying left and right from a new and deadly disease. Now the ICUs are full of people dying again, but this time around there's a safe and effective vaccine. I cannot imagine the exasperation and frustration on top of the long working hours and the fact that sometimes these people get harangued or even threatened by the families because they didn't give the latest Darwin award winner* some horse deworming paste.

(*having said that, most of these people are actually victims, too. Victims of trauma, victims of psychos peddling distrust in science, etc.)

Danvzare

Does it bother anyone else that whether or not you're for or against vaccination is tied to your political beliefs?
What if I don't want to get vaccinated but like the idea of socialized healthcare?
Or what if I want everyone to get vaccinated but hate the idea of immigrants coming into the country?

The whole Left vs Right thing makes no sense.

Cassiebsg

Apparently over there there's only white or black, tone variations or colours don't exist. You're either for or against.  (roll)
There are those who believe that life here began out there...

Khris


Ali

#87
Quote from: Danvzare on Thu 23/09/2021 17:29:05
Does it bother anyone else that whether or not you're for or against vaccination is tied to your political beliefs?
What if I don't want to get vaccinated but like the idea of socialized healthcare?

Why would you expect things that are of great political significant to be unconnected to people's political beliefs? I would expect people who are in favour of socialised healthcare generally to be in favour of mass vaccination, because both involve state intervention in the interest of public health. Of course, people do hold views that aren't self consistent. But it's weird to think of political opinions as existing in a vacuum.

Stupot

I think Dan's point, which I agree with, is that most people who are against vaccination aren't against it because of some well-reasoned opinions based on their own nuanced political belief system. They're against vaccines because they only trust what the right-wing meme generators and shit-stirring YouTubers are telling them to believe.

Particularly in America. Yes, some anti-vaxxers might be able to point to [what they see as] genuine reasons based on their politics and might even be able to explain it somewhat articulately, but most of them just simply want to do the exact opposite of what Biden or anyone on the "left" is asking them to do, because WHOOOHOOO MURICA! That's not politics, that's stupidity.


Ali

I think there's - arguably - some correlation between stupidity and reactionary politics.

Khris

#90
Just found the perfect website:

https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/

Found via YKS episode 219 (jump to 7 minutes in)

Sinitrena

Is that really a "perfect" website, in any sense at all?

What good does it do? It won't change the opinion of a single anti-vaxxer - on the contrary, I'm pretty sure it will make them even more obdurate, if they even see it. Most people don't react very well to being put on the spot like that. And for people who are vaccinated, what purpose does it serve but to make them go "See, see, these idiots brought this onto themselves!"; thereby creating an even greater rift in society.

No, this website is counterproductive.

Khris

This website is for people on the fence, who think they're "healthy" so they don't need the vaccination, or who are more afraid of the side effects than of COVID thanks to online liars.

Khris

Harrowing thread about dead brother, shortly after dead dad: https://twitter.com/RachelMcKibbens/status/1458881015917678594
They refused to get vaccinated, didn't follow doctors' advice and relied instead on nutritionist cousin who's anti-vaxx and getting his health advice from TikTok apparently.
They also believed in conspiracy nonsense like vaccinated people shedding stuff that makes you ill / get Covid.

If you're reading this and aren't vaccinated yet, please try not to make the list. Get the jab.

Mandle

#94
I have a weird hobby where I follow the Flat Earth debates and, while most people would just ask "Why even bother with those people and their nonsense?", I have found an answer to that question. And I also found my own answer of why I felt that the Flat Earth belief is a dangerous cult.

When I first discovered the existence of Flat Earthers, about 3-4 years ago, I started watching the livestream debates against them, thinking that probably this was all just a ridiculous scam of YouTubers acting the parts of Debunker and Flat Earther to just get clicks and money.

And now, here we are 3-4 years later, and I know that it is not just an act. Somehow people have been convinced by social media scammers that the Earth is actually flat.

Okay, now why is this a dangerous belief, and how does it relate at all to the subject of this thread?

Well, to believe that the Earth is flat is the ultimate gateway conspiracy. Even putting aside the stupid theories that America lied about the moon landings, or that aliens crashed at Roswell...

Those are NOTHING compared to Flat Earth.

Believing in the Flat Earth requires that you believe that every single government on our planet is involved in an effort to conceal the shape of our world. And that they have been doing so for at least hundreds of years. This means that every war for hundreds of years, including WW1 and WW2 and the entire Cold War were just staged events to protect the lie that every government that is obeying our shadowy leaders concealed.

It requires that you accept that everything you have ever believed or been taught are all lies. And that every government and media source are in on it and helping to spread the lies.

And that is why it is the perfect gateway conspiracy.

Almost every Flat Earther that I personally know is also an Anti-Vaxxer and also a QAnon believer and THIS is where the harm that social media causes comes in:

They all sit in their little echo-chambers on YouTube and Facebook or whatever and build their beliefs in the deception of the great shadowy "THEM" to the point where they are willing to do the opposite of drinking the coolaid at Jonestown:

They are willing to reject the vaccine because, once you can believe that the Earth is flat, you also must believe that everything your government or the media says are also lies.

Which brings me to my rather harsh point that two major Flat Earth leaders, Rob Skiva and "Flat Earth Fokker", have both died within the last month from Covid after releasing many videos on YouTube about the "Plandemic" and how the vaccine is a poison designed for population control.

Now, here comes the horrible part: These two men have died. No, that is not the horrible part. I am actually glad that they are dead as their influence on social media definitely caused the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of their followers who believed them about the vaccine being poison.

Those kinds of people are better off dead for the betterment of humanity in this case.

Yes, this is a heartless thing to say. They had families and people that loved them who are grieving, but SO did the hundreds or thousands of families they believed their Anti-Vax bullshit and also lost loved-ones.

No, the horrible part is that the followers of these departed nut-jobs are just doubling down and believing that their leaders just got "too close to the truth" and were assassinated by the New World Order government to protect their plans.

Their leaders have DIED through their fucking ignorance and arrogance and that has only strengthened the belief of the cult they have built.

I am horrified by our rejection of science and experts in favor of the most popular trends on social media of these "Truthers".

They are a worse virus than Covid will ever be and will cause more suffering and death in the long run.

kconan

Quote from: Mandle on Wed 17/11/2021 15:59:04
Which brings me to my rather harsh point that two major Flat Earth leaders, Rob Skiva and "Flat Earth Fokker", have both died within the last month from Covid after releasing many videos on YouTube about the "Plandemic" and how the vaccine is a poison designed for population control.

Bill Burr has a great rebuttal for that idiotic conspiracy theory.  "Why would you kill off the obedient ones?"  I mean there are 137 reasons why its stupid, but I like that point.

The truth is boring, and stupid people feel smarter when they "know the real truth".  I started to get very worried about the weaponization of misinformation when the PizzaGate thing happened.  Sadly, I think its only going to get worse.


Crimson Wizard

Quote from: kconan on Thu 18/11/2021 03:51:24
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 17/11/2021 15:59:04how the vaccine is a poison designed for population control.

Bill Burr has a great rebuttal for that idiotic conspiracy theory.  "Why would you kill off the obedient ones?"


I have an idea. It's all the other way around. This vaccine is not against covid, it's against another deadlier virus that is not here yet. What would be the most efficient way to separate obedient and rebellious people? The world government would fake the covid and spread vaccine, so only obedient people who easily believe in their lies would vaccinate and rebellious won't. Then they would release a real virus for which there's no other defense, and all who did not comply will die.

heltenjon

Quote from: Crimson Wizard on Thu 18/11/2021 09:07:29
Quote from: kconan on Thu 18/11/2021 03:51:24
Quote from: Mandle on Wed 17/11/2021 15:59:04how the vaccine is a poison designed for population control.
Bill Burr has a great rebuttal for that idiotic conspiracy theory.  "Why would you kill off the obedient ones?"
I have an idea. It's all the other way around. This vaccine is not against covid, it's against another deadlier virus that is not here yet. What would be the most efficient way to separate obedient and rebellious people? The world government would fake the covid and spread vaccine, so only obedient people who easily believe in their lies would vaccinate and rebellious won't. Then they would release a real virus for which there's no other defense, and all who did not comply will die.
(laugh) (laugh) Please, somebody make a game out of that idea!

Mandle

Quote from: Crimson Wizard on Thu 18/11/2021 09:07:29
I have an idea. It's all the other way around. This vaccine is not against covid, it's against another deadlier virus that is not here yet. What would be the most efficient way to separate obedient and rebellious people? The world government would fake the covid and spread vaccine, so only obedient people who easily believe in their lies would vaccinate and rebellious won't. Then they would release a real virus for which there's no other defense, and all who did not comply will die.

Sheer genius!!!

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