To mr Fozbee

[Vel]

Look what Mr.Fozbee done to my game's page:
http://www.agsforums.com/games.php?action=detail&id=290
Try to d/l and you are linked to Flashbax instead to WWTLF! Foz, seriously, you suck. People want to d/l my game. I hope you realize that.

Note: I will fix the link as soon as you have read this thread. thanks to Alkaline for finding this.

[|Alky|]

Yeah. I just noticed that. While I was trying to stay neutral in all of this, you can't just f*** with other people's stuff like that. As far as I know, industrial espionage is illegal, and it certainly ain't very nice. In fact, it's actually terrorism.

Well, it ain't really, but there's no reason to do that sorta thing. Under your age, you've put N/A, and I would agree. It's a goddam childish thing to do.

Well, that's assuming it was Foz that did it. But that NSA agent my psychologist said that I shouldn't come up with conspiracy theories, and reading between the lines hurts anyhow...

[Shattered Sponge]

I'm really starting to have difficulty taking sides here, and that annoys me; Vel was being a bit of a cunt at first, yes, but this sort of thing really is going too far, IMO.

Still funny, though.

[Pumaman]

I presume you told foz the password to the game, Vel, or are you saying that the games page is hackable?

[SSH]

Vel really should have picked a less-guessable password for his games page. I wonder if I can guess it too...  

[Vel]

Look, the pass was Vel. I didnt think that there were such idiots to mess with the games and stuff.

[Vel]

Oh shit. He even changed the password.

[Ferret]

Don't mean to sound like a prat, but... HA HA!

Okay, so Foz (apparently) is a dickhead for changing your WWTLF download, but equally so, you're a bit of a dickhead for having your username as your password.

I'm not siding with Foz on this, but maybe a little forsight wouldn't have hurt.

Bad Foz! No cookie!

[Squinky]

Okay, if he did screw with your stuff, thats total bullshit.

I say kick him out and just remove his games from the ags games database dealy. If he did this, he dosen't deserve to have them there...

[Vel]

i absolutely support Squinky. He does not deserve to have his games there.

[SSH]

The password to Recess is now "foz", btw

Maybe CJ could have a quick run through the passwords and see how many people have obvious ones and then PM them!

[Vel]

Oh just GREAT!
Now terranRICH's servers are down also. I edited the game's info btw. Thanks SSH!

[Ferret]

It's the start of the ADAV Apocalypse! If anyone needs me, I'll be cowering under a blanket in the corner of my nuclear bunker.

[Darth Mandarb]

You don't mess with another man's games.  It's like you don't date a friend's ex-girlfriend.

That was some bigtime bullshit (if he did it!).

Now, Vel, I'm on your side here.  However, that was a dumb password

** dm runs off to change his password ... **

[Vel]

DM, I didn't consider that I'd EVER need that pass nor than anyone would mess with my game. Thats why I chose this one.
Loaf, be serious just once.

[Darth Mandarb]

Yeah, I see your point.

Q : Why should you have had to worry about it.
A : You shouldn't.

I was partly joking because my password was just as simple.  I have since changed it of course!!

Oh well ...

Revenge is a dish best served cold ...

NO!!!  I didn't say that!!!

dm

[Vel]

Believe me, you do not want to see me avenge.

[Dave Gilbert]

ok, I know this wasn't a nice thing to do, but still..

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

*ahem*

Anyway.

Are you sure it was Foz?  It could have been someone else's idea.  The rivalry between you two is certainly no secret.

[BOYD1981]

it could even have been Vel himself, changing the link and changing the password to get foz in to trouble...

[SSH]

Or maybe foz did it so it would look like Vel did it to get foz in trouble ?

Or maybe Vel did it so that it looked like foz did it so it would look like Vel did it to get foz in trouble ?

Or....


And Vel, you just gave me an image of yourself dressed as Emma Peel.... eeewwww!

[BOYD1981]

or perhaps you did it so that vel would post that foz did it to make somebody say that vel did it himself to frame foz just so that you could picture vel dressed as emma peel

[Vel]

It wasnt me. Im just not the type of guy who'd do this.

[Minimi]

Just cut it out, you children!!

Noone is getting any step further with judging people on the boards. My question to Vel, is why he started this thread? It would have been wiser to pm a moderator or email CJ about it, with the question if your game could be restored.

With judging others you won't get any step further, and certainly not by making someone black publically. You know, I just refuse to take at this point for a fact that Foz, is guilty. And even if he were, then I would just take care of changing my password and get it ok, and leave it alone. Just ignore it, and be happy. Don't get so pissed on every little thing. Cmon guys! We are online and probably kilometersss away from eachother, and we are here to have fun, and judging others won't help with that.

I suggest closing this topic, and change the link on the gamespage... and forgive the one who did this.

Greetz,
M!N!M!

[Vel]

Why the hell would I forgive him? Because he changed the link and made people who wanted to play 'Who wants to live forever?' play 'Flashbax', a game much different instead?

[SSH]

or perhaps you did it so that vel would post that foz did it to make somebody say that vel did it himself to frame foz just so that you could picture vel dressed as emma peel

You foudn me out...

[Vel]

Ahem!

[Minimi]

Vel, stop being such an arse... you know, where 2 are fighting, 2 are guilty. You said some bad things bout flashbax, foz became mad, and you refused to give respect, and this is the logical evolvement of that.

If you've seen the movie Phonebooth you know where im talking about.

Ok there did was someone who did things that can't be called nice, but why hate more, if you can also love. You won't settle anything with that. Maybee it's because of your still very young.. but on the other hand, I learned to love my enemy when I was 12.

Hate will bring more hate, and more hate and eventually chaos and death.
But love, will heal and stand strong, and built things up, and will finally conquer.



[edit] you didnt answer my question, why you made a new topic for it!?![edit]

[SSH]

Look at forgiveness this way:

If someone has upset you, their actions are making you feel a certain way
Why should their actions dominate any part of your life? Why should you let them make you feel bad or angry?
You are actually letting them control a part of your life by holding that grudge.
So forgiveness is actually freeing yourself and is done for your own sake, not theirs

foz probably isn't going to feel any better if you forgive him, so he gets no gain, but you, Vel, would gain respect in the eyes of some others and may well feel better about things yourself. Prove you are the better man!

[Pumaman]

Seriously guys - you two have got to sort out your differences. Whilst this incident is rather amusing to the rest of us, it's really not on to edit someone else's game - as you say, there shouldn't be a need to pick a complex password for fear of hackery.

This schoolyard argument has been going on too long now - either you two kiss and make up, or agree to ignore each other completely.

Or go and join i-mockery instead.

[Vel]

Minimi, you sound like a religeous hippie.
I never went to such extremes as to edit the game's info and change the links to my own. And has anyone asked himself the question why hasn't foz been around since the last anti-vel thread he posted here?
Edit:
SSH: i dont give a damn what foz says about me. What concerns me is that he changed the game info so that people not only not d/l my game, but download his instead.
What would you do if your game was edited?

[Squinky]

Okay, the point of this is not whether foz and vel should stop fighting. It's all about respect, and what lines people will cross. Now, whoever did this is (if it did actaully occur as stated) a person who thinks it's okay to deface peoples creations, and in a forum of creators, this person does not belong.

We cannot simply just ignore this, it's something that needs to be taken care of, not just left to fester. And I can't understand why it's not a big deal just because it happened to Vel. If this happened to somebody more popular everybody would be jumping up and down and pissing there pants.

Come on people...

[Vel]

Yeah. Just because i say "did you play my game" every time someone enters irc doesnt mean that you have to neglect this treacherous to the community act.

[SSH]

Firstly, I agree that hacking someone's game page should not be tolerated. If it happened to me, I'd be pretty angry (especially given the nature of my games)

EDIT:
given foz's lack of remorse apparent below, I've cut off what I had here before

[foz]

I did it............
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahha.....

Get a life it was a joke.......

i ain`t been around cause i`ve had better thing to do..........
.....and i needed a time out from giving you loads of abuse....

One of my last posts stated i will simply ignore vels comments and thats what will happen.......

VEL is now my passwords as its such a hard one to crack....

If the forum wants to ban me..........so be it.

I `ve already been banned from adding reviews on the games page.

Some people take this all to seriously............

Its a amateur gamesite we`re not earning a living from this......

Vel deface my d/loads and reviews(On the crows nest)...........

Its not the end of the world.

I`ll say no more......(Glad some of you found it very funny......foz will live on).

[Vel]

You think it was funny? You think that it is not a major thing? The fact that we earn not money from our games makes it even worse. I have a much tougher pass to crack everywhere else, because I did not think that there would be such idiot who would neglect other's people's work and effort and remove the link.
In my opinion, your place is certainly not here.

[foz]

DRAMA QUEEN............

If you want me banned make it happen..........

If you can`t do that shut up and get on........


Vel.........................................................................................................................
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[Dave Gilbert]

Right. I'm going to take a deep breath and shout something at both Foz and Vel.  Everyone cover your ears.

BOTH OF YOU SHUT UP!  

Okay.  I feel better now.

This is getting old.  Real old.  Why are you at each other's throats?  Is there a point?  You have both proven to be talented artists and writers.  In that case, you both deserve respect.  But this petty squabbling does nothing but demean you.  If you must rant and rave at someone,  do it PRIVATELY via pm or email.  Take it off the forums.  Personally, I could care less about your personal vendettas against each other.

Regardless of how good your games are, I am rapidly losing respect for both of you.

/rant

[foz]

Vel........i agree with DG

So should you......

YOU get on with your stuff...
And i`ll get on with mine......

[Pumaman]

foz, please stop trying to gain favour - you're both as bad as each other in this whole thing.

As you know you've been banned from adding comments and games to the Games database which I feel is fair considering what you did.

Now, I am going to lock this thread and I don't expect either one of you to carry on with this infantile crap.