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Yeah I like now though I consider myself a rational, positivistic person mostly, I have a very strong inner belief that 'it'll work out for me/my family in the end'. I don't attribute this to anything than blind optimism, which I believe to be a safety switch/brain function that stops me from killing myself when I go through a bit of depression or somesuch, rather than any sort of 'spirit' or other higher entity.

Yes, nice, keep feeding the troll. The troll will tell you what his dad thinks. Discuss with a bigotted idiot by proxy, it's great.

I have no problem with gays getting married at all. What else would you like to know, Tuomas?

I would like to know why you posted this with such an attitude while I hoped we could keep this polite and really benefit from all this, everyone of us.

I did this in hopes of helping the thread keep on the much more interesting original topic than having it become 'discuss with Yodaman's dad' again.

Lemme guess. People trying to be your dad on the internet at the time didn't help, instead they fuelled your fire of ignorance.

Yes, nice, keep feeding the troll. The troll will tell you what his dad thinks. Discuss with a bigotted idiot by proxy, it's great.


I have no problem with gays getting married at all. What else would you like to know, Tuomas?

if the only harm is making a thread boring:

Yes that is the only harm. Go ahead if you think it's worth it to dictate ethics and religion to an unwilling insulting 14-year-old on the internet. He needs you to be his father. I can't do anything about it.


I am interested in what you say about a religion of respect. Are you talking about some japanese religion? Most religions I know make a point out of segregating the non-believers from the believers and treating the former with disdain... to say the least. What's the religion's specifics?

Thanks you two, I hope we hear more stories instead of trying to pick apart the feces of a child for the duration of this thread.

Well he'll rebel. Against us because nowdays it's cooler to be a theist on the 'net than secular.

I am all for helping someone see other points of view the exact second he says he's willing to listen. Not when they say 'I am not interested in researching something I condemn'.

Why can't this thread be about religious upbringing and not telling yodaman how stupid he's being?

I'd say the exact second their opinions show the least shred of continuity and an active mind behind them instead of being regurgitations from their church, thrown together with little thought and ment to UPSET PEOPLE.

You're just feeding a troll. You're not saving yodaman.

No 'celeb' I'd like hanging out with.

But there's a dinner with Luc from Gorguts, Ron Jarzombek, Jim Matheos and some others I'd like to attend.

Really the issue with this thread right now is all of YOU guys. Not Steel Drummer. Steel Drummer is like 14, uninformed, extremely opinionated and very very easy to have his opinions argued for the drivel they are.

And what do you all do? Instead of ignoring him and his constant stream of idiocy, you put on your professor glasses and educate a child on matters of religion, sexuality, and ethics. For 7 pages. Nice going boring up the thread, everybody. I'm glad to read it.

I love how christian people have a hard time accepting that atheists lead happy lives. My absolute favourite though was being accused of 'not being fun' because I don't believe in gods.

Actually, what I'd like is for a shift in the burden of truth really. People that say they believe in a god, I want them to explain to me in detail what this entity is, and what it does. 'Cause I've never heard a definition of a God that made any sense at all.

Now I know, people say 'sense? I don't need no sense, I have faith in God!'. But if you can't even explain what your god is, what you're basically saying is 'I have faith in faith!' Good going.

"You have to have faith in God, and you should be ready to go when he comes back, and your sins will find you out"

Oh man, that's scary! Why would a person inflict this mental illness on another?!

I mostly just prayed to god to give me the ability to fly [seriously].

That is the cutest thing ever.


Just as long as we're sharing religious backgrounds, I grew up in an atheistic (not agnostic, my dad is a Marxist, and he does not believe in Ghosts 'n Gods by capcom) and I have never had a single bit of divine inspiration in my life. I don't understand what a god is, I never have, and I rejected the absurd claims that a huge allpowerful omniescent benevolent being that created the universe was sitting on his throne in the skies, studying the cosmos for bad behaviour very early in life.

In greece children are made to 'cross their chest' (it's an orthodox thing) and sing a prayer in unison in the mornings. I stopped doing that in fifth grade (9 years old) and when asked about it in public I said 'There is no god. I refuse to pray to him.' Which made principal to call in my father have a talk about my 'religious problem' with him. My father laughed and high-fived me.

Since then, just because it was an interesting passtime, I've read the Bible just to mess with the christians (I probably know more about christianity than the christians, I know their nonexistent god more intimately than they ever had) at school etc, but eventually that stopped being nice. Tearing down people's fallacies in their lives isn't nice. I believe a lot of impossible things, I think life is good and that every day will be better than the last and that I am an important and good person, so on so on that are equally invalid concepts as thinking you'll get what you deserve after death. But when pressured by theists I destroy their god in few simple arguments, just like old times. And my dad high-fives me again.

No, seriously, my dad never told me he thinks no god exists until I was 15 or 16. I was actually worried when they called him at school over it but I'm glad he supported my right to a choice. I never have been made - by him - to pray to anyone (my mother's side of the family is religious and did that sort of shit) and therefore I am 99% unsoiled by this god thing. If you aren't brought up to believe it, it is an outlandish concept for any happy human. Ponder on this. Ponder on the significance that I am a happy person, free from strange guilts and living a worthwhile life and by your standards, I will burn in hell.

About feeling the peer pressure, I've been beaten up by school kids more than once for my flaunting my godlessness. I've also lost an early girlfriend because I didn't believe in God (I believe her parents pressured her into that one as she wasn't exactly convincing when she explained her 'issue' with my behaviour) and so on. Now obviously, in your situation, a whole christian COMMUNITY trapping you, you stand to lose much more than sustain a few beatings and not rub the boobs of a specific girl. But it's worth it, man. It's worth it to know you've searched inside you and found what there is, even what there is in there is an absence of God.

That still leaves a lot of mainstream faith with millions of people believing it. It's just depressing that man considers other faiths a theory just because his world is his immediate surroundings.

The mormons are a small faith. If they're right, then 99.9% of humanity will burn in hell. That's the workings of a strange god!!

Flashback is well-worth it, people. And not so hard once you get the hang of it.

Oblivion is a shit game. It's a beautiful tourist simulator, but it's no game.

Fallout 2 is all sorts of great, of course.

There are some experiences that are scary but if you keep a safe distance they don't harm you, like this whole concept of perfection and a god existing, if you are brave and jump into it, experience it, you'll be shocked and altered forever when your FEEL IT, not just have it explained to you in logical terms, when you realize for yourself that what you thought was real doesn't exist.

There's much more after this realization, there's understanding how logic is flawed, how words are wrong, how even the concept of self is just a ghost in a machine. The insignificance of life in a macroscopic view... Every one of these things hurts like hell when you go through with it and even when you know all these things in your bones, you still operate as if you've forgotten them because that is the power of social programming, but still, I think the whole effort is worthwhile because that's how you get most out of life, by not being afraid.

You will realize that you're also living a life for happiness, not truth. There is no truth. It's all words and human concepts. SILENCE is the truth.

The original Ogre Battle on the SNES is a pleasant diversion, but too samey gameplay for my tastes.  I prefer the Fire Emblem series.

Good post. I hope you post more, Dorcan.

Erenan, I don't see what you see in it at all. The battles aren't interesting, I don't give a shit about the storyline, everybody is a child in the story, which while good for marketing just destroys my sense of disbelief... just generic squaresoft crap. Awful, forgettable. I guess you like it because you played it when you were young?

Better than this and still tactical is Front Mission for the SNES

Nikujin, N, Dodonpachi, Final Fantasy Tactics (emulated, I'm trying to see if I missed anything from the PSX era. I don't like it so far).