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I bet they were using it as a metaphor where satan represented the people that kicked them out and God represented the youth group themselves. Although I don't know of anywhere where they'd use metaphors that are THAT radical.

seeing as to how this forum is extremely active, and the members often have differentiating religious opinions, I would like to discuss my favorite book of the New Testament: Revelation

Or rather, the visions John saw within it.



What interests me most is the four horsemen (the first four scrolls), a conquerer, a troublemaker, a plague-bringer, and a death-summoner.



Genises says that the Earth was created in 6 days, and God rested on the 7th. However, it's scientifically proven that the Earth took millions of years to create.

So, if millions of years is simply 6 days for God, then when John says that his visions happen over a period of 7 years, who's to say that he doesn't mean that it's a chain of events that were set into place since the Earth's very creation?

Back to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
If the Earth has been doomed since the beginning, there should obviously be historical moments that fit the signs John describes.
As such, the four horsemen could be four historical figures who everyone knows and recognizes for their achievements.

For example: The first horsemen could have been Napolean.

Revelation says that the first horsemen is a conqueror, and that he rode a white horse, and that he conquers a vast majority of the lands around him, he carries a bow, and given to him was a crown.

Napolean was a conqueror who rode a white horse, who conquered most of Europe, and took the crown from the Pope. The bow could be symbolic of long-range weaponry, as Napolean was known to create wars between nations without ever getting France involved.


The second horsemen is conflict on Earth. A red horse whose rider causes nations to fight with one another and carries a mighty sword.

Hitler started the second World War, the Nazi symbol is red and looks a bit like a horse to me... And the sword may represent political strength, which he had.
Of course, I'm not so sure about that one, but still....



I would like to know your opinions on the book of Revelation, and any ideas you may have as to the many things John sees.

interesting ideas.. However, John isn't God, so he wouldn't follow 'God-time' (ie: counting all time since creation as 7 years).

Yeah, Hammerite's always talking gibberish.Ã, 

On a more serious note, I think it's possible that Marley could have become a Christian before he died. After all, Selassie told the world that Jesus was Christ and told people not to worship him (no, I don't mean God, I mean Selassie). And I'm not saying he became one right on his deathbed, from what I've heard, he converted about 7 months before his death.

What denomination is your church?

What are you talking about???

Well, July has come and gone. No game. Bummer. Hopefully you can get it done before Indy: FoY. 

I used a gradient on certain areas and that had a slightly better effect. Can anyone tell me any better ways?

I tried coloring it in the Gimp, but it doesn't retain that 'clayish' looking texture.  :'( I also tried doing a paintbucket fill on certain areas, but it doesn't exactly do it right.  I'm thoroughly annoyed. I played a clay animation game called 'Platypus' and the guy that made that used Photoshop to color all the clay (which was grey). How can I do that with the Gimp but not lose the 'true' clay feeling?

Jesus was a Jew, but he didn't follow Judaism. If you truly knew your bible, you'd see that He totally schools  the Pharisees, who were the equivalent of the Judaists of today.

I don't think you can believe that in 100%. The reason is the poeple who "testified" that are priests, and it's their huge interest to say that the most popular man ever in jamaica and a lot of caribbean and african countries became christian, hoping to convert rastafaris to christianity. It's a very comfrotable scam to convert people, and you know religious leader of all religions would lie about everything to get people to convert or become religious.
However even if it is the truth, it doesn't really say anything, because most people who are about to die and know it, all of a sudden turn religious because they think "hey maybe that will save me", so it is possible a man of one religion would convert to another on his deathbed in a thought that maybe it would save him. But if he lived all his life believing in rastafari than that's what he believed in period, no matter what he thought when he was about to die.
If you knew the ratafari religion you would know it has nothing to do with christianity. The rastafara believe they are the descendats of Queen Sheba (Sheba - today's Ethiopia) who had a child with King Solomon hence they see themselves as jews descendats (although judaism recognizes jews by their mom and not their dad), the basic twist to judaism is thatÃ,  Ras Tafari Makonnen, crowned King Haile Selassie I, who was king of ethiopia in 1930-1974 is actually the messiah and incarnation of god in their belief and is called Jah (which is a literal reading of the name of god in the bible). It sits well with the bible because the bible says the messsiah will be the son of David, while Jesus is the son of Joseph, and Selassie is freom the lineage of the son of Solomon (son of David). Therefore the rastafara are currently not in their holy land Zion which in their belief is no longer Jerusalem and Israel but Ethiopia and the other non-rastafari countries people are Babylon. In their beliefe salvation will come when King Selasi would come back and babylon would be no more, only Zion,ratafari will be the only religion. Which is exactly the jewish faith of the end of the days, only jews believe it to be in israel and rastafari believe it to be in ethiopia. Nothing even remotely close to christianity.
So even if he did convert, which personally I won't believe cos it's too convient as stated above, to convert his beliefs so radically when about to die just shows it would have been done from being desprate also as explained above.

The people who said that aren't 'priests', per se. They are Christian reggae artists. Another interesting twist: a while ago I also wiki-ed Bob Marley and a short sentence at the end of the article. said that he WAS baptized into the Orthodox church. I find rastas ironic since haile selassie was a christian, but they're worshipping him. It just doesn't seem natural.

So i assume you shut down the other fantasy game you were working on? This one looks great! 

In the General Discussion forum, there are a lot of silly topics, but hopefully no one minds a serious one, as well.


I've noticed a lot of Christians have been claiming things in the Lord's name that I seriously doubt the good Lord had anything to do with.

All due to a little thing called 'free will'. The ability to think for ourselves and choose our own actions.


The best example I can think of is the Youth Group at my church. They went on a missionary trip to Nevada, and came back some few weeks later to tell us all about it in a speech.

They told of how SATAN kicked them out of a park for practising religion in public.

They also spoke of how GOD allowed them to find another church that would help them.

How GOD informed the park director that it was a city park, and they could do whatever they wanted there.

How SATAN still wouldn't let them.


And they ended this speech with, "We knew we were doing the right thing because we were being prosecuted."


Now, while my entire church gives them a standing ovation and a few women behind me are crying because it's apparently some beautiful religious moment, I'm muttering angrily to myself and staying firmly planted in my seat.


I hate to tell them this, but (believe it or not) God isn't responsible for every little good thing, bad thing, mishap, convenience, inconvenience, or event that happens to you in your life.


(my grandmother would kill me if she read that)

IMO, I think that God has control over the world, but He doesn't control what people do- and neither does Satan. After all, God DID give people free will. I think either you're exaggerating about your church, or else the people are extremists. The people at my church wouldn't blame Satan for kicking them out of the park and all that stuff.

Heck, while you're at it, why don't you copy this little discussion going on here? 

2. I keep getting screwy messages like 'Windows has found 55 errors, go to regfixit.net to get rid of them'. But every time it has a different amount of errors and a different site. It's been doing that since I got the new computer, so I suspect it's something wrong with the way they set the thing itself up, or else a screwy Windows 200 install.

Please notice that these messages are actually Internet Explorer popups.Ã,  These are coming from either a website with popup ads or spyware that is on your computer.Ã, 

If you actually believed that they were real Windows warnings and you went to regfixit.net and purchased whatever they are trying to sell you, you need to first, feel really dumb for falling for a fake ad that was designed to trick your grandmother, and then second, uninstall anything you got of that site, install adaware, a virus program, and an alternate browser

Then you need to learn some basics about computer and internet use before you continue to use and screw up your computer.

I used Spybot and it removed the bad stuff. I never get those messages anymore. I didn't download the java thing (slow internet), but I have it paused on my download accelerator. It turns out that some idiots put tracking cookies on my computer. I wonder if CJ had anything to do with this? 

A while ago, I read anÃ,  article stating that Bob Marley became a Christian a few months before he died. I was curious as to whether or not this was a rumour, since the site I read it on is not a well known site. I think it would be interesting and enlightening to hear some other opinions on this, and get some good discussion going.Ã,   

Oops! Can a moderator please delete the post below this one (the one with the same subject)? I accidentally posted twice.  : Thanks! 

It was a brand new PC. We could have gotten Xp, but it would have cost like 200 more dollars and it wasn't worth it. Thanks for the help. I dunno if the java download will solve my problem, but I'll try it..

Two things I need some help with:

1. I got a new PC without Java, when i try to install it, it says "cannot find j150000.cab". Can someone either email me that file, or give me a non-broken download link?

2. I keep getting screwy messages like 'Windows has found 55 errors, go to regfixit.net to get rid of them'. But every time it has a different amount of errors and a different site. It's been doing that since I got the new computer, so I suspect it's something wrong with the way they set the thing itself up, or else a screwy Windows 200 install.

Can anyone help with these things (especially the first!)?

Thanks,

Yoda

I could do sprites for you. Just tell me what style you need, etc.

I reserve this spot for a Gonzo sprite..

I got a computer upgrade and kept my old hard drive on the same tower, but in the new PC, I have DirectX 8.1, and a certain program needs a higher version of that. On the old PC I had DirectX 9 or something higher than 8.1. My question is: can someone show me how to get the DirectX 9 onto the new one and install it over DirectX 8.1? Thanks.