New "Black Stories" Crime Riddles

[Mandle]

Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?

[Ian Aloser]

Whoooah, this is a hard one
To the second victim :
Would he/she/it not have died if the first
victim wouldn‘t have died ?

[heltenjon]

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler

Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?

[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?

[heltenjon]

The Riddler grinned strangely when he said "the second victim". I don't know why.

[CaptainD]

Did both victims have a similar appearance?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?
Were the victims twins?

[Mandle]

Okay, now I am very confused:

I only asked the question "Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?" because I thought the first victim was related to the "This old man came rolling home." line in the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack". I thought this because of the fact that he had rolled down a steep slope and arrived very near his home's door.

Now it turns out that I was correct that the killer's theme was based on nursery rhymes but with no connection to "Knick-knack Paddywhack" (the very reason I came up with the nursery rhyme theory)...

Couldn't be just a weird coincidence, right?

Hmmmmm...

Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Could this case happen in the real world?
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?

[heltenjon]

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler

Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?

[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?

Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one

Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?

Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?

[Mandle]

(Rephrasing) Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?

[CaptainD]

Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaurgh possible epiphany...


Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?

[Ian Aloser]

Victim 1 was tied up, victim 2 was chained:

Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2
initially belong to each other ?
Did the victims know each other ?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ?
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?

[heltenjon]

I see I forgot Stupot's question, will include it now. You guys are doing good. I'll drop some more hints if I deem it necessary. 


The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler

Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?

[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?

Did the victims know each other ? (Although the FBI wouldn't tell me, I predict it is so.)
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?

Did the first victim fall off his own roof? (But he could have. Doesn't matter.)
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ? (But it could have been. Doesn't matter.)
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2 initially belong to each other ?
Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?

Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?

[CaptainD]

So much for my "epiphany"! 

[Ian Aloser]

The nursery rhyme in question here :
Is it one of the cruel types ?

[Snarky]

From the nursery rhyme, do you predict there will be more victims?

[CaptainD]

Oof that's an excellent question Snarky!!


I will add one more of my own:


Is the killer still alive?

[heltenjon]

That's a major leap forward...

The Riddler adds some comments in parenthesis.

Spoiler

Case #62: This serial killer had a pattern
I really hate this. The BAU can't find anything, and the brass sent me to ask that maniac in Gotham, Nygma. And after ten seconds, he exclaimed that he saw a pattern. Dammit! I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but now I'm supposed to ask him all sorts of questions, and he'll answer only Yes or No, like it's a parlor game!

Oh well. The first victim was found outside his own front door. He had fallen down a steep slope and landed practically on his doorstep. The weird part was that he was apparently tied up and tickled by some sort of device until he fell and tumbled to his death/home.

The second victim was found chained to a chair and starved to death.

Of all the cases I shared with the Riddler...pardon, mr. Nygma, these were the two that were connected. Is he pulling my leg? What can he possibly see that the FBI does not?

[close]

Yes

Were both victims human?
Were both victims male? (But it matters not)
Were both victims adults? (But I personally think this was a mistake)
Is our killer using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Could this case happen in the real world? (But I doubt it will)
Is the first victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?
Did both victims have a similar appearance?
Did the victims know each other ? (Although the FBI wouldn't tell me, I predict it is so.)
Is the killer using one nursery rhyme to theme their kills?
Is the second victim's death related to a nursery rhyme in any way?

Is the killer still alive?
From the nursery rhyme, do you predict there will be more victims? 



No

Were both victims female?
Is the first crime connected to "Knick-Knack Paddywhack"?
Is the second crime connected to "Old Mother Hubbard"?
To the second victim: Would he/she/it not have died if the first victim wouldn‘t have died ?
Whoooah, this is a hard one
Is this case related to the nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill" in any way?
Are the first and second victim the same person?
Are the killer's crimes related to The Far Side comics in any way?
Were the victims twins?
Did the first victim fall off his own roof? (But he could have. Doesn't matter.)
Is the „steep slope“ the face of a building ? (But it could have been. Doesn't matter.)
Was victim 1 already dead before he fell on the ground?
Did victim 2 depend on victim 1 ?
Did the ties of victim 1 and the chains of victim 2 initially belong to each other ?
Was the nursery rhyme the serial killer is using Jack and Jill?
Is the killer using different using nursery rhymes to theme their kills?
Is the first victim's death related to the nursery rhyme "Knick-knack Paddywhack" in any way?

Is it one of the cruel types ?


The FBI didn't provide that information. I guess it doesn't matter.

Was the second victim found at his/her home?
Did both victims have a similar job?
Did both victims have a family?
Did the serial killer hear these nursery rhymes as a child?
Did the serial killer kill the people who read him the nursery rhymes?

[CaptainD]

Spoiler

Is the killer using the "This little piggy" rhyme but in reverse?
This little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home is the last one and involves tickling
The 4th little piggy "had none" so could represent starving to death.
If this is correct I guess the next death would involve poisoned beef or maybe a cow falling on someone / getting trampled to death?

[close]

[Ian Aloser]

Congratulations CaptainD,
This must be it !
I would not have guessed it in a million years :-)

[heltenjon]

    Correct!     
(Stole the heading from the thread starter.)

CaptainD guessed it way before I thought it would be possible.

My plan was indeed to make the next death by poisoned beef. The Riddler sniggered at the mention of the "second" victim because it was done backwards. The five little piggies ought to be connected somehow, like brothers or neighbours. I thought it would be too obvious if the first victim was killed at the market and the second at home, but you never know - perhaps the leap to nursery rhymes would have been more difficult that way.

Congratulations on solving what I feared would be an unsolvable case, made on a whim. 

Captain, or anyone else - feel free to take the bridge.

[Snarky]

Nice. I quite liked the Riddler framing. What is the BAU, though?