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I think the thing that's being overlooked here is that people want to stick with AGS. They just want it to be more capable/modern. I have an adventure game project I'm working on (with my wife) and we've jumped ship to Unity because, while it's crazy expensive, it's WAY more capable for what we want to accomplish with the project. I feel terrible about not using AGS but AGS cannot do what I want so I have no real option in that regard.

For whatever it's worth I think AGS4 should be a total rewrite to encompass modern technology.

Android/iOS. Windows/Linux/Mac.

It should, essentially, work the same way it does now (to keep it familiar to the loyal community that's been here all along) but brought into the 21st century a bit more.

I don't think AGS (as it stands today) is in any real "danger" but it is definitely stagnating (in my opinion) due to falling WAY behind in terms of how people are consuming games today. I have always felt that AGS was a system designed to keep adventure games from going extinct. It does this very well in a retro sense. I would rather keep adventure games evolving and keeping up with modern tech. AGS does not do that very well. But it could...

The current version of AGS should be renamed AGS Classic and maintained but not improved. It is for creating classic/retro adventure games which is does, and does very well. Leave it alone.

AGS4 should have two versions:

AGS4 and AGS4 Premium (or Pro, or Plus, something like that).

Both are full-featured versions of the engine. The only difference between AGS4 and AGS4 Premium are:

1) AGS4 Premium is not free but a very affordable price (like $49.99)
2) AGS4 Premium has no "watermark" where AGS4 would have a water-marked "Made in Adventure Game Studio" splash screen

There is ZERO licensing nonsense that is so prevalent in (and ruining) the games industry. You pay the initial fee for the premium version and you can release as many games you want.

I was thinking something along the lines of the purchase (for AGS4 Premium) would be $49.99 and then when AGS5 is released it would be $49.99 but to upgrade from AGS4 Premium would be like $19.99 (again keeping it very affordable) or if/when they purchase AGS4 Premium they can do a $129.99 version that grants them free upgrades for life.

I think this model is sooooo much better than the way Unity and others and all their convoluted licensing nonsense. This is just my opinion. I feel that the lower price would mean more sales.

I think the way to fund the development of AGS4 is a kickstarter.

- find a developer(s) willing to commit to the project
- find out what the developer(s) want as far as salary
- set a campaign fund-raising goal (meticulously calculated, let those in the community that have KS experience give advice)
- put together a kickstarter campaign (let the community work together to create the campaign/pitch video - could be fun)
- start an LLC, or equivalent in the country that does the founding, (using the funds from the kickstarter if successful -if AGS4 has a paid version, a "company" is necessary to handle the revenue)
- sign a contract w/ the developer(s) and start cuttin' them paychecks as they develop
- the project will need a project manager/coordinator to create goals/deadlines/etc to keep everything streamlined and on target.

I think this is all very possible and doable if people commit to it. I am fairly certain there are developers here that, if compensated accordingly, would devote to it as a full-time job! Could even work out some kind of partnership with the company where they get a percentage of the revenue.

Maybe I'm just too optimistic but I think we have it in us to pull this off. (nod)

The games could even use a common resource pack (RON? OSD?) so people can really focus on the programming.

I had the exact same thought! Each of the "demos" is actually set in the same game/world.

One of my original ideas was each demo (if done in order) would then actually build a larger game as you go through them (each adding on to the previous) so by the end you've combined all the demos into one large/completed game. This would require a tremendous commitment on several developer's parts to implement properly though.

Another idea I batted around was the the demos could actually incorporate teaching into the demos (not just in looking at the code which, of course, you could still do) but breaking the 4th wall where the character in the game would say something like, "okay... if you wanted to script me to do XYZ how would that work?" and then a code dialog box pops up and you could actually enter code (sort of like a very interactive quiz/test to teach scripting, etc).  This, again, would require a large effort to make work properly.

This is actually something I have given a lot of thought to over the years...

What I eventually settled on (and I think it's what Abstauber was meaning?) was that the AGS download contains only AGS and no demo games.

Then we have, in the same download section as the engine, multiple demo games to showcase different aspects of AGS but are VERY targeted to that aspect. One for the sierra type interface, one for Lucasarts style, etc. I was thinking they'd be organized is a community decided "curriculum" if you will. So it would be like... the order you should learn AGS programming. Start with the first demo and work your way through to the last to get a solid grasp of the fundamentals of AGS!

The demo game(s) should be useful to learn, without being overwhelming. Like Snarky (and others) said if we have one demo game that tries to cram EVERY aspect in there it would be overly complicated and hard to learn from. Multiple short and small packages that showcase 1-3 aspects would much more useful in my opinion.

Then maybe there's one final, larger, demo game that sort of ties everything you've learned into one game.

I was also thinking, if somebody were willing, would be to create an AGS official YouTube channel. It'd be really great to tie each of the demo games into a youTube video (where the demo game referenced in that video is linked to in the description) and we put some ads on the account and generate some revenue for AGS (could be used to pay some of the fine folks doing the good work on the engine, server bills, etc).

Just my $0.02 (€0.02)

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 12 Apr 2017, 16:33 »

You got it, and well-earned :)

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 12 Apr 2017, 16:33 »
As I've watched it more than a dozen times and read the book twice, I don't need confirmation...
One of my favorite stories of all time!

YES! It is an almost perfect movie/story!

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 12 Apr 2017, 14:05 »
Here's another quote:

"Liberality all around. No punishment, I don't want that. And the leaders - Jeff and the rest of 'em - if they escape, leave the country while my back's turned, that wouldn't upset me none. When peace comes it mustn't just be hangings."

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 12 Apr 2017, 13:59 »
This one might be an easy one...

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 11 Apr 2017, 16:12 »
Not a bad guess but went back in time a little too far (another hint)!

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 11 Apr 2017, 16:11 »
Is it Angels in the Outfield (1994)?

I do not recognize the screenshots (and I'm not sure I've ever seen the movie) but I think that's Matthew McConaughey.

It looks like he's in a sports locker-room (and has black paint under his eyes) so I googled for Matthew McConaughey baseball movie and it links to Angels in the Outfield. So that's my guess!

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 11 Apr 2017, 13:09 »
There's this really obscure one I use called Imgur :P

Yeah, it's getting a little too Critics Loungey in here!

Let's reel it in just a bit!

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 10 Apr 2017, 14:01 »
Not Moby Dick!

Here's another quote that should give it away!

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

Please review the forum rules and update your post accordingly.

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 07 Apr 2017, 18:02 »

Fun fact: that's a real skeleton.

You got it!

I had read before they had used a real skeleton but I've always wondered if it was actually true. I heard the production found it was actually cheaper to use real skeletons than to have fake ones made/bought. Strange but given the mysticism around the production and after-math of this movie I wouldn't be surprised in the least :)

You're up!

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 07 Apr 2017, 17:45 »
The movie that warned us of the dangers of kids getting high on telepathic links with drunk aliens!

It's why I'm adamant about raising my kids to never link telepathically with drunk aliens!

Another [perhaps] easy one...

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 07 Apr 2017, 14:38 »
Nope x2!

Another hint:

By "on the right track" I meant that There Will Be Blood and my quoted movie share an actor in common!

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 07 Apr 2017, 14:36 »

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 07 Apr 2017, 01:00 »
No, no, no and no.

Mandle is on the right track though </hint>

The Rumpus Room / Re: The Movie Quote Game
« on: 06 Apr 2017, 18:15 »
dayowlron knows the answer :)

Here's the next quote:

"A compass, I learned when I was surveying, it'll... it'll point you True North from where you're standing, but it's got no advice about the swamps and deserts and chasms that you'll encounter along the way. If in pursuit of your destination, you plunge ahead, heedless of obstacles, and achieve nothing more than to sink in a swamp... What's the use of knowing True North?"

The Rumpus Room / Re: *Guess the Movie Title*
« on: 06 Apr 2017, 18:12 »
Is it The Bourne Identity?!

It is!  Good job!

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