How do you guys get back into the swing of things?

[Weston_Kaunk]

Do you guys have trouble getting back to work on your project when you're depressed? I mean, of course it gets hard; it's just I know I feel better working on my stuff even when it doesn't go anywhere, I just have trouble getting myself motivated recently. What do you guys do to help get motivated again to get through your projects?

[Ibispi]

Personally, I even get more motivated to finish my game when I become depressed, because I know I will fell happier and as if I had done something when I finally finish it. Try to think this way, it might work!

[Retro Wolf]

I don't get depressed, I do have problems with motivation sometimes. Sometimes it's just a case of taking a break from the software for a few weeks, do some other stuff.

There's nothing worse than sitting there staring at the screen, with AGS or an art program open, doing nothing. Go do another hobby for a bit, watch some movies, play some videogames! Sometimes you come back to games development with fresh ideas that other activities have inspired.

[Fitz]

Yeah, what Retro Wolf said. I lost motivation while making Gray more than once. This one time, I stopped for a whole month -- and went on to play Just Cause 2: doing all available main missions, side missions, races, taking over all the 250+ military bases, settlements, gathering all of the zillion collectibles and destroying a gazillion of things. After that, going back to doing small pixel-by-pixel animations didn't seem that much of a hassle.
Another thing that really helps is doing some short piece -- MAGS being the most obvious thing, but I also enjoy the Fortnightly Writing Competitions immensely, they sometimes push me in directions I would've never otherwise taken. Also, getting something done -- no matter how small -- boosts your confidence.

[NickyNyce]

The best way that I stay on track is to try and do even the smallest thing for my game until the inspiration kicks in again. It's incredibly difficult to charge right through making a game without getting side tracked. I also try not to ever get too far away from my game, so I don't grow apart from it. I think it's refreshing to take some time off, but if the days start to pile up, draw some new animations, BG's, cursors, inventory items...something to keep you connected and moving forward.

[Adeel]

This.

This is one of the main reasons why I have stopped using AGS altogether. I've had two of my projects going on. One was MAGS' one while the other was a RON game.

I think it's almost impossible to recover when you're demotivated and/or depressed too much. Possible but quite hard. That's my experience.

Hope you find motivation and recover from your depression soon.

[Ghost]

MAGS has gotten me "back into AGS" two times now, I tend to delay/abandon projects where I am on my own shedule much more often than those where you constantly work on the seat of your pants. That, and getting a couple of testers that just toss feedback of off you is nice- if they are good you'll find yourself in a state of "I can't fail them / I will SHOW them!"

I also like to put a couple of rewarding animations into my games and make then early. That's just some little reward for yourself: "Darn this is a wreck right now but once they see my little zombie-girl crack a smile they'll all be like, yay, and I WANT that to happen. Where's the caffeine?"

Some games just don't get made though, and that's okay too. No use fretting over that abandoned project, there was a reason for it to fail, and you can always return to it.

[Dadalus]

I have not completed an AGS game yet, so my following comments are based on general experience.

I do suffer from lack of motivation, like most people its easy to work on something when you enjoy it, harder when the shine has worn off and the slog begins. At stages like this I try to rekindle my passion for a project. Perhaps step away from it and focus on the things that fired you up in the first place. Think about why your doing it, if its for fun, and your not having fun maybe its time to stop and revisit it later on.

Only you know what works for you, and there are some great suggestions that have already been made, which you could try out.

I wish you the best.

 

[Baron]

The only thing I ever found motivational was progress.  The more progress you make, the more you want to make.  Unfortunately, the reverse is also true: the old negative feedback spiral.  So my advice is to pick something interesting on your game and finish that bit (animation, background, puzzle coding, dialog, anything!).  Once you start rolling again, the momentum is often self-sustaining.

[Lasca]

Lots of good tips in here! I personally think a lot like Baron & Ghost. I also like too play other ags games, or read books, watch movies, look at art that somehow relate to my game. Or try to create something related to my game, but not directly "useful" in the game - concept art, sketches, etc. When I lack motivation I also like to do something completly different, like go out for a long walk, play with my daughter or go to the gym. Actually doing physical activity always helps to get those dopamines swinging. But all of this depends on what kind of depression your talking about. Depression can sometimes make it impossible to motivate yourself to do the things that might actually help you through depression. Thats why depression suck so much.
Personally my roughest game-realted deoression struck me AFTER completing my game (the one and only), for several reasons.

Sidenote:
@Ghost

I also like to put a couple of rewarding animations into my games and make then early. That's just some little reward for yourself: "Darn this is a wreck right now but once they see my little zombie-girl crack a smile they'll all be like, yay, and I WANT that to happen. Where's the caffeine?"

I absolutely LOVED "Chance of the Dead". It was actually the game that made me want to do my own AGS game. Thank you for creating that.

[Ghost]

I absolutely LOVED "Chance of the Dead". It was actually the game that made me want to do my own AGS game. Thank you for creating that.

Thanks, and this was exactly the game I was talking about when I was making my examples. It was a MAGS and after having all the "long pipe" innuendo AND the little dog animations in, there was no way to NOT get the game done. The dog alone kept me motivated for three days or so.
And having m0ds make the music while I was still working on the game proper was really cool, too. That created an extra spark. The same with Alien Cow Rampage. Having a unique music and hearing it while you shape the game, there's something totally radically awesome to that.

[Slasher]

When you are passionate about something you just do it. Of course there are moments you need a break for a while. Then you come back fully fired up itching to put you recent ideas into action (yes, even off ags your mind can work on ideas).

I spent most part of a year (due to illness) being unable to do much (maybe 30 minutes a day) as even typing became a nightmare, dizziness, weakness, a sick feeling and tiredness overcame me and I could not continue at that time.

So now, even though I have a way to go with my illness, I spend all the time I can and it excites me and to be honest AGS  has been a godsend in terms of keeping me occupied and using my mind and body. Without it I may have become even more a vegetable

So, when the going gets tough, back off and try later... but always return

Ideas are two a penny... Good ideas cost a bit more

If there is a story then there is always a game, however absurd.

slasher

[OneDollar]

I've finished 5 games in the last 7 years, and 4 of those were MAGS projects. Time limits are a good motivator. On bigger projects you could try the 'sprint' development model where you pick something you want to achieve then set a time limit to do it in. Just don't get depressed when you realise how long everything's going to take to finish!

The one game that wasn't done for MAGS took me about 3 years to finish, and I reckon I must have taken a 6 month break then later a 2 year break. There were two things that got me to come back and finish it. First I posted some artwork in a Release Something thread and Ponch kept asking me about it. Second I met up with a friend who was also into game development, and we had a long conversation about making games that really fired me up and made me want to make something again. People who believe in you or your game and provide encouragement or inspiration are really helpful.

I also totally agree with Ghost: if there are parts of your game that you think are really cool it can be a good motivator to focus on finishing them, then once they're done the desire to show them off is a great motivator to finish the rest of the game too.

Finally take a break and go watch or play things that inspire or help you capture the moods or themes you are going for. So, if you want to make a game with a Saturday Morning Cartoon feel, watch a bunch of Saturday Morning Cartoons. Look at art in the styles you want to emulate. Play the adventure games that made you want to make an adventure game. And while you're doing all of this think about what it is about those things that you like so much and how you could put them into your own game. Oh, and don't let yourself fall into the trap of thinking "I'll never be as good as this" - of course you won't be as good as the professionals on your first try at something, but the only way to learn and improve is by making stuff anyway.

[Baron]

Or you could join our new AGS Motivational Group!

[Dualnames]

I make love to qptain nemo every other night, it helps. Sometimes, Ponch likes to join, and we always let bici watch.

[Baron]

I knew it!

[AprilSkies]

Everybody knew it

[Ponch]

Yeah, don't act like this is news.

[SilverSpook]

Often the answer to life's riddles is: Drink more coffee.

I adhere to this aphorism with extreme prejudice.  Unfortunately my pancreas exploded the other day, but that's what those newfangled 3D printed organs are for.

[Baron]

Let me be the second person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib.

[Ghost]

Often the answer to life's riddles is: Drink more coffee.

Let me be the second person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib.

I toast to that. With coffee.

[SilverSpook]

I love this community already!  Free coffee all around! 

I +1 Ghost's idea about focusing on that cool thing about your game.  I think I need to go back and rediscover that cool thing, and just get the prototype version of it slapped together.

In seriousness, I have been having trouble scrounging up the motivation to work on my project.  The previous engine I was working in, Shadowrun Returns, apparently went through a brief honeymoon phase (read: 75% off Steam sale).  Since the end of summer, there's nothing left of the community but tumbleweed and orphaned brainchildren.  I refreshed the workshop forum every six hours for about five days before finally signing the divorce papers.  Packed up my boxes of C#, Google Doc Storyline and .PNG photoalbum, went back onto the game engine market, saddened but resolved. 

To quote a favorite author of mine, William Gibson, "A little camaraderie goes a long way."  I've already found a second wind, a new enthusiasm in the past 36 hours since happening upon AGS.  So thank you all for being here, responsive, and welcoming.  Hopefully we will all go a long way.

[Ghost]

Well, if you managed to get results out of Shadowrun Returns' editor, then AGS will be an easy hurdle to... do to whatever it is you are doing with hurdles to make it past them... do you straddle these? Cross them? Jump? Well you should do that just fine

In seriousness, I have been having trouble scrounging up the motivation to work on my project.

*cough*hrmph devs-anon *cough* a-choo!

[Adeel]

Let me be the second person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib.

Let me be the third person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib. This also means that I highly expect a comedic adventure game from him.

[SilverSpook]

Oh man, no pressure!  I do tend towards hyperbolic black comedy, actually.

This may be veering off topic, and I apologize if so, but where do you recommend I post what I have in the works thus far?  I'm a bit scared/embarrassed to post in the "In Production" thread just because my quasi-coherent shambles of a game concept will pale in comparison to what is there.  But, I'd also like to show a bit of what I have just to bounce some ideas around, see what might be working, what will probably not, what the adventure market is primed for or not.  The game I was working on was created, as I mentioned, in Shadowrun Returns, so it was originally being geared for a modern computer RPG.  The adventure genre seems a bit... well, less combat-centric, obviously.  The last adventure I played was Primordia, which I loved to death.

[Ghost]

Games in Production has a few simple rules stated in that section's Sticky Thread to ensure the game you're posting there really is "in the making". If you feel you don't meet these criteria, you can always post stuff at the Critic's Lounge, so if you have, say, just a plot outline or some concept art you can put it up there.

And, yes, it IS possible to make an RPG with AGS. There are many threads and code bits about that subject matter floating around here and it can be done. AGS is not the ideal choice (in my opinion) though, mostly because of the way a point and click adventure focuses on moving characters around a 2D landscape and triggering events on a "apply verb/item to object" basis. This is not to discourage you, but be aware that you may need to put some extra work into your project. (That can actually be very satisfying!)

[Retro Wolf]

Let me be the second person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib.

Let me be the third person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib. This also means that I highly expect a comedic adventure game from him.

Who said it first? Sounds like a cool guy!

[Adeel]

Let me be the second person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib.

Let me be the third person on the Forum to say that I like the cut of this SilverSpook's jib. This also means that I highly expect a comedic adventure game from him.

Who said it first? Sounds like a cool guy!

Indeed

@SilverSpook: I see that you've a great sense of humour. Why don't you try my feeble attempt? (I'm sorry for the advertisement but I only suggested it to know your feedback on humour, etc).

This will be my last off-topic here (hopefully). Sorry for going off-topic.

E: Just remember that this is my 1000th post and that too was made off-topic. I'm now honestly confused whether should I celebrate or lament this sad fact?

[Retro Wolf]

I find motivation to be at its highest when I wake up in the morning. Though my shifts tend to be really early, so it's not always a convenient time to work on my games.

[SilverSpook]

@SilverSpook: I see that you've a great sense of humour. Why don't you try my feeble attempt? (I'm sorry for the advertisement but I only suggested it to know your feedback on humour, etc).

I've never been accused of being so funny; this is so novel!  Actually I tend to open that way, with humor, to avoid being cyber-lynched, as has been the case when an outsider butts into an established internet village such as this one... but those folks were far less... pleasant?  Mature?

Anyway, yes, I will have a look at your comic adventure, Adeel.  I've got a whole heap of researching to do, into this adventure fare, as I harken from the strange and absurdly violent planet of first person shooters like Deus Ex and 3D isometric post-apoc RPGs like Fallout. 

While we're on that topic... is comedy pretty popular among the adventure audiences nowadays?  Full disclosure: the games that I have created are actually only off-handedly, and darkly funny, in the way that a Kafka-esque prison labor camp dedicated to retweeting Kim Kardashian is funny.  I'm more of a cautionary tale sci-fi sort of guy, but maybe that's too stale and 2012 nowadays.

I'm debating what direction to take my current project -- Neofeud -- which one of my Deus Ex modding comrades is helping me port over to AGS.  Maybe I'll consider going a lighter comedic route.  I definitely need to cut down on the corporatese jargon and the goddamn soliloquys.  I am a total addict to the wall-of-text faux pas.  About half my time I spend chainsawing through character lines that accidentally exploded into novels and popped the dialog bubble.  I mean who the hell talks like that, outside of Quentin Tarantino characters and tenured English professors?

[Retro Wolf]

I'd say most of the games made here are quirky/comedy.

[SilverSpook]

Korean BBQ kimchee soup + choi sum + half gallon of coffee = WRECKIN' THAT GAME DEVELOPMENT CHECKLIST LIKE A WRECKING THING