I've always been guilty of playing games and then neglecting to rate them in the database.
I notice I am not the only one. It's kind of dusty in there.
Well, no more! I've just spent the past hour rating and commenting on 10 games which I had played but not rated.
You should do the same.
How about, over the next week, everyone takes some time to rate 5 or 10 (or more) games? If you're busy, do one a day for a week.
Now go... and rate. Become a serial ratist!
Someone should make a plugin to do the rating in-game ;) :P. hehe.
I'd love to become a serial ratist but I don't have the attention span or puzzle solving skills to finish most adventure games, I've only ever done Wadjet Eye games and even then I needed walkthroughs quite a bit. So I can't rate games without finishing them...
Quote from: Armageddon on Wed 03/04/2013 02:52:27
I'd love to become a serial ratist but I don't have the attention span or puzzle solving skills to finish most adventure games, I've only ever done Wadjet Eye games and even then I needed walkthroughs quite a bit. So I can't rate games without finishing them...
...but most AGS games of any quality have online walkthroughs!
My excuse is that I'm lazy. Try to shoot holes in that!
Challenge accepted! I'll spend all night giving all the Barn Runner and Oceanspirit Dennis games 5... no, 6 cups! Thank you, Stu, for showing me the way! :-D
Quote from: Ponch on Wed 03/04/2013 03:32:46
Challenge accepted! I'll spend all night giving all the Barn Runner and Oceanspirit Dennis games 5... no, 6 cups! Thank you, Stu, for showing me the way! :-D
Note to self: put something into the games page that stops people voting for their own games (roll)
Very nice idea!
Quote from: Armageddon on Wed 03/04/2013 02:52:27
I'd love to become a serial ratist but I don't have the attention span or puzzle solving skills to finish most adventure games,
Then you could start by rating all
non-adventure games made with AGS :P
I will try to do this... my Games Played to Games Rated ratio is pretty embarrassing... :-[
That's an excellent idea, Stupot!
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/bravo.gif)
I declare guilty as well and will give this challange a go! (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/batman-smiley.gif)
All games offered to the community deserve it!
… and they should get what they deserve (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/hehe.gif)
Rating Spreeeee!!!!!!!
Excellent topic Stupot! I've done my bit and just rated some games.
Thanks for the prompt, by the time I've downloaded and played a game I'm usually so far from the game page that it doesn't occur to me to rate them. I've just rated four games and left comments, will try to be more proactive in future.
I guess this is something I should think about for AGSA.
I've already added a feature that stores a value in a DB whenever someone downloads a game when they are signed in to their AGSA account.
So I guess I could make it so when the player has marked the game as "finished it" or after a certain time has passed it will prompt the user to rate it in their notification bar/on their account page.
What would be nice (for both AGS DB and AGSA) is if you could get a list of all UNRATED games and be able to go through some of them.
I rated Resonance and Cat Lady recently. And even posted reviews for them. (laugh)
Anyway, that made me wonder if Demos should be rated and reviewed separately from full commercial releases, because there is a huge "Download Demo" button on game page, and no "Buy Full game" button.
I may be a bit crazy. I've just left a comment, but don't see a place to rate the games (only the AGS panel rating).
Quote from: Eric on Wed 03/04/2013 15:54:55
I may be a bit crazy. I've just left a comment, but don't see a place to rate the games (only the AGS panel rating).
On the game page, just beneath the list of details (to the right of the screenshot) is a little box marked 'public opinion'. There may or may not already be some stats in the box, it depends if enough people have rated it.
Maybe make it so that you can't post an "empty" comment?
Ah! Thank you. For some reason, I thought that link had taken me to the comments section. Need more caffeine.
Quote from: Eric on Wed 03/04/2013 16:31:03
...I thought that link had taken me to the comments section. ...
To comment without rating just scroll down to the bottom of the gamessite.
Is there a way to see the games I've downloaded, Peder? A list with the links to the gamepage would make it easy to find and rate the games played in the past. All aboard the Band-Wagon!
Quote from: Ghost on Wed 03/04/2013 16:23:32
Maybe make it so that you can't post an "empty" comment?
I made it so leaving a blank comment on the games rating page didn't post a comment, but apparently I forgot to do it for the games' pages. Done that now!
Quote from: CaptainD on Wed 03/04/2013 15:05:28
What would be nice (for both AGS DB and AGSA) is if you could get a list of all UNRATED games and be able to go through some of them.
I just realised this wasn't what you were asking for, but: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/yourated/. However, this probably was: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/unrated/ (and luckily only took five minutes to do since I'd already done the other one).
Ahh both of those links are really useful. Nice one AGA.
One question though, does the 'you rated' list take some time to update? Because only one of the ten games I rated yesterday has appeared on that list. All the others are games I rated previously.
Quote from: Stupot+ on Wed 03/04/2013 22:19:42
Ahh both of those links are really useful. Nice one AGA.
One question though, does the 'you rated' list take some time to update? Because only one of the ten games I rated yesterday has appeared on that list. All the others are games I rated previously.
I'd actually accidentally left some random user's (get8p (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=14087), someone who happened to have rated recently) user ID in the script, rather than it picking up each user's user ID automatically. So it looks like get8p rated some similar games to you! It should reflect the correct data now?
Ahh that looks more like it. Thanks man. Had I really only rated 8 games before yesterday? I'm so ashamed :(
The bakesale-link http://agsbakesale.com/ should be removed from the database, because it now leads you somewhere else.
Saw it on the database for to "visit games website" (Escape the Barn and Zombie Attack).
Quote from: MiteWiseacreLives! on Wed 03/04/2013 18:40:30
Is there a way to see the games I've downloaded, Peder? A list with the links to the gamepage would make it easy to find and rate the games played in the past. All aboard the Band-Wagon!
Not on the AGS site no (not that I know of at least, you'd have to ask AGA :)), I've implemented this feature on AGSA..
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 04/04/2013 01:45:22
The bakesale-link http://agsbakesale.com/ should be removed from the database, because it now leads you somewhere else.
Shame it weren't renewed :(
Quote from: AGA on Wed 03/04/2013 21:29:08
Quote from: CaptainD on Wed 03/04/2013 15:05:28
What would be nice (for both AGS DB and AGSA) is if you could get a list of all UNRATED games and be able to go through some of them.
I just realised this wasn't what you were asking for, but: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/yourated/. However, this probably was: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/unrated/ (and luckily only took five minutes to do since I'd already done the other one).
Yes the second link was what I meant, although the first link is very useful too! Ashamed to say that I've only actually rated 13 games so far (quite surprised by that, but I guess mostly I reviewed the games on my blog rather than rated and commented on the AGS games page.)
But just to be awkward...
Having a list of games that NO-ONE has rated is of course very useful, but also could we have a list of games that have been rated, but not by enough people for the average rating to be shown? (I think it's 5 ratings?)
Useful list! Seems I rated 48 games till now. Usually I rate as soon as I have completed the game. However, I recently started to write detailed reviews in the game's thread instead. Maybe I should also rate those games?
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 04/04/2013 01:45:22
The bakesale-link http://agsbakesale.com/ should be removed from the database, because it now leads you somewhere else.
Saw it on the database for to "visit games website" (Escape the Barn and Zombie Attack).
Done. Thanks, Tabata!
Quote from: cat on Thu 04/04/2013 09:07:42
Useful list! Seems I rated 48 games till now. Usually I rate as soon as I have completed the game. However, I recently started to write detailed reviews in the game's thread instead. Maybe I should also rate those games?
Rating, and pasting your review into the comments field, would be helpful. A lot more people are likely to see your opinions if they're on the main site than if they're hidden away on the forums!
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 04/04/2013 08:37:49
Having a list of games that NO-ONE has rated is of course very useful, but also could we have a list of games that have been rated, but not by enough people for the average rating to be shown? (I think it's 5 ratings?)
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/notveryrated/
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:28:48
Rating, and pasting your review into the comments field, would be helpful. A lot more people are likely to see your opinions if they're on the main site than if they're hidden away on the forums!
Yes, but currently I mostly write detailed reviews also with feedback for the author and frequent spoilers. That's not something I'd like to post in the database. So I'd have to write a different comment.
By the way, now that you are in a list creation spree: The recent comments only shows the last 5 entries, would it be possible to get a list with more than that? I'd like to read the most recent reviews people made because of this thread and I wouldn't know how to find them.
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:50:05
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 04/04/2013 08:37:49
Having a list of games that NO-ONE has rated is of course very useful, but also could we have a list of games that have been rated, but not by enough people for the average rating to be shown? (I think it's 5 ratings?)
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/notveryrated/
Thanks!
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:28:48
... Rating, and pasting your review into the comments field, would be helpful. A lot more people are likely to see your opinions if they're on the main site than if they're hidden away on the forums!
I always wondered why there is no link to the forums CGA-Thread.
Right underneath where the link to the website shows up (if avaliable) whould be a nice place for it. (nod)
So far I rated ad reviewed every AGS game I ever played. Some even twice! Maybe two or four even three times!
But the total number of games I played could be more impressive. I barely played anything from 2012.
Stupot, you're absolutely right! I'll defenitely brush up my voting habits; thanks for making an example!
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 04/04/2013 11:37:20
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:50:05
Quote from: CaptainD on Thu 04/04/2013 08:37:49
Having a list of games that NO-ONE has rated is of course very useful, but also could we have a list of games that have been rated, but not by enough people for the average rating to be shown? (I think it's 5 ratings?)
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/notveryrated/
Thanks!
Ooh! Several of my games are on that list! :cheesy: ... wait... :sad: :wink:
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:28:48
Rating, and pasting your review into the comments field, would be helpful. A lot more people are likely to see your opinions if they're on the main site than if they're hidden away on the forums!
Crazy feature suggestion: Maybe there's a way to integrate the game's comments with the completed game forum thread comments?
One way, for example, would be not to allow creating new threads in the "Completed Games", and automatically create a thread for each new game entered to the database.
And then allow adding comments (and rating) from both the forums and the game page and synchronise between them.
If this could be done, it would be super cool...
Quote from: tzachs on Thu 04/04/2013 18:56:10
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:28:48
Rating, and pasting your review into the comments field, would be helpful. A lot more people are likely to see your opinions if they're on the main site than if they're hidden away on the forums!
Crazy feature suggestion: Maybe there's a way to integrate the game's comments with the completed game forum thread comments?
One way, for example, would be not to allow creating new threads in the "Completed Games", and automatically create a thread for each new game entered to the database.
And then allow adding comments (and rating) from both the forums and the game page and synchronise between them.
If this could be done, it would be super cool...
No, quite simply. SMF is not easy to use, and that is really not something that could be pulled off with anything less than crazy amount of effort. Sorry!
Even excluding that, what happens if someone has already posted a release thread, then posts adds their game to the database? What I thought I would add was a link to the AGiP, CGA and Hints threads for each game, if the game's author wanted to add them.
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 19:21:25
What I thought I would add was a link to the AGiP, CGA and Hints threads for each game, if the game's author wanted to add them.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/shocked.gif) did nobody read, what I wrote? :~(
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 04/04/2013 12:29:35
I always wondered why there is no link to the forums CGA-Thread.
Right underneath where the link to the website shows up (if avaliable) whould be a nice place for it. (nod)
I have an idea. Why don't we have a link on the game's page to the relevant forum threads? Why has no once suggested this until now? Clearly, I am a genius! :wink:
Sorry, Tabby. :P
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 04/04/2013 19:32:35
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 19:21:25
What I thought I would add was a link to the AGiP, CGA and Hints threads for each game, if the game's author wanted to add them.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/shocked.gif) did nobody read, what I wrote? :~(
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 04/04/2013 12:29:35
I always wondered why there is no link to the forums CGA-Thread.
Right underneath where the link to the website shows up (if avaliable) whould be a nice place for it. (nod)
Yes, I read what you wrote, and expanded on it! Tripled it!!
Quote from: Stupot+ on Wed 03/04/2013 16:20:42
Quote from: Eric on Wed 03/04/2013 15:54:55
I may be a bit crazy. I've just left a comment, but don't see a place to rate the games (only the AGS panel rating).
On the game page, just beneath the list of details (to the right of the screenshot) is a little box marked 'public opinion'. There may or may not already be some stats in the box, it depends if enough people have rated it.
Same here, man! I was actually too embarrassed to bring that up. (Since the "new" :-[ snazzy game's page design) Every time I wanted to (quickly!) rate a game after finishing, it went something like this:
Look at game's page:
...see AGS rating (or not yet)
- don't vote here - OK!...read Player Rating Website:
not enough votes yet - OK! - but I want to vote - follow link - mostly 404 error (and yes, I do realised it's two sperate categories - NOW! :wink:)
...read 'Public Opinion' box, but only up to the 'not enough votes' part -
...BUT I WANT TO VOTE AND CHANGE THAT!!! = vicious circle
(I swear I miss that 'your vote?'-link EVERY single time! - and yep, I'm an idiot! :tongue:)
Still, my point is, people not using our forums frequently (and me!) might very easily miss the vote option. Is there any way to implement a 'quick vote' bar for numbskulls like me? When logged in, you could choose the amount of blue cups on mouse-over (Similar to the faded out/solid 'AGS Panel Rating' bar). We are (still) 'point and clickers' after all.
edit: ...to clarify: not only for thick dudes like me, but to ENCOURAGE voting, primarily!
edit2: This is only an 'issue' if a particular game hasn't received enough votes yet! See 'Public Opinion' box text.
Quote from: Tramponline on Thu 04/04/2013 19:47:50
Quote from: Stupot+ on Wed 03/04/2013 16:20:42
Quote from: Eric on Wed 03/04/2013 15:54:55
I may be a bit crazy. I've just left a comment, but don't see a place to rate the games (only the AGS panel rating).
On the game page, just beneath the list of details (to the right of the screenshot) is a little box marked 'public opinion'. There may or may not already be some stats in the box, it depends if enough people have rated it.
Same here, man! I was actually too embarrassed to bring that up. (Since the "new" :-[ snazzy game's page design) Every time I wanted to (quickly!) rate a game after finishing, it went something like this:
Look at game's page:
...see AGS rating (or not yet) - don't vote here - OK!
...read Player Rating Website: not enough votes yet - OK! - but I want to vote - follow link - mostly 404 error (and yes, I do realised it's two sperate categories - NOW! :wink:)
...read 'Public Opinion' box, but only up to the 'not enough votes' part - ...BUT I WANT TO VOTE AND CHANGE THAT!!! = vicious circle
(I swear I miss that 'your vote?'-link EVERY single time! - and yep, I'm an idiot! :tongue:)
Still, my point is, people not using our forums frequently (and me!) might very easily miss the vote option. Is there any way to implement a 'quick vote' bar for numbskulls like me? When logged in, you could choose the amount of blue cups on mouse-over (Similar to the faded out/solid 'AGS Panel Rating' bar). We are (still) 'point and clickers' after all.
edit: ...to clarify: not only for thick dudes like me, but to ENCOURAGE voting, primarily!
I have reworded the voting bit to be far more obvious. I have vaguely considered adding some sort of context based AJAX thingamabob that lets users do certain things, but don't hold your breath.
Boys, it seems I really need to make some home visits (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/come_here.gif)
~ next on my list: AGA and Ponch (laugh)
... keep on the good work - both of you <3
Quote from: Tabata on Thu 04/04/2013 20:44:07
Boys, it seems I really need to make some home visits (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12962/come_here.gif)
~ next on my list: AGA and Ponch (laugh)
... keep on the good work - both of you <3
I live with my girlfriend, she'll protect me!
Quote from: cat on Thu 04/04/2013 11:28:02
By the way, now that you are in a list creation spree: The recent comments only shows the last 5 entries, would it be possible to get a list with more than that? I'd like to read the most recent reviews people made because of this thread and I wouldn't know how to find them.
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/recentcomments/
Awesome, thanks AGA ;-D
Okay, the database will now show a game's GIP, CGA and Hints threads, if you edit the page to contain the thread ID. There's no sane way of automating this though, so games' owners, or members of staff, will have to update it for each game.
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 22:57:39
Okay, the database will now show a game's GIP, CGA and Hints threads, if you edit the page to contain the thread ID. There's no sane way of automating this though, so games' owners, or members of staff, will have to update it for each game.
Resonance (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1579/) is a good example of this, as I could easily find each of those threads.
I'm on a roll now: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/yourcomments/. I've also added links to these pages in the games pages' navbars, so people who haven't read this thread will know they exist.
Hm, this list is empty for me...
This is a great idea. I just need to remember which games I've played lately...
Quote from: cat on Fri 05/04/2013 12:16:44
Hm, this list is empty for me...
Try refreshing - sometimes it's worked for me, sometimes not.
Quote from: cat on Fri 05/04/2013 12:16:44
Hm, this list is empty for me...
That's because I forgot about the old comments. Comments used to be stored by name, rather than user ID, which meant that any comments made before the new site went live in January weren't being picked up. They should be now though?
Quote from: CaptainD on Fri 05/04/2013 12:33:57
Quote from: cat on Fri 05/04/2013 12:16:44
Hm, this list is empty for me...
Try refreshing - sometimes it's worked for me, sometimes not.
That's because I've been fiddling with it over the last half an hour or so, so sometimes it was using test data, sometimes not. I should really set up a test environment to avoid these kinda of issues, but I like to live dangerously.
Nice lists AGA, thanks :)
In terms of automating it, could the thread author put something like [DBID=1234] in the thread title to get it automatically linked to the games DB?
Well theoretically. Given the game's author is going to have to go to the games page to look up their game's ID, then tab back to the forums and type that ID into the topic, it doesn't seem like much effort saved versus going to the game's page, clicking 'edit' and pasting the topic ID there. Sounds like exactly as many clicks made, and effort expended, either way really!
I went though the list of my games today and added the thread numbers to them. It was not a lot of effort. I know, people like Ponch will have to do much work. Still, I think it's not too much to ask for.
On another note: Now that we are currently so active - wouldn't it be nice to add missing screenshots? On the mainpage, out of the three randomly chosen screenshots often only one is available. Is there a way we could collect them and upload them to the db? I guess most of the authors aren't active anymore. The same is valid for broken download links...
I checked and found that RAM Ghost is marked as not yet rated on its database page, but doesn't appear on the unrated / not much rated pages either. So at least one game managed to slip through the security net! Alert!!!
Naturally, only the authors and the rating staff can alter/fix the screenshots, but if people would like to help by taking screenshots and uploading them to a reliable host, we could do the rest.
Quote from: cat on Fri 05/04/2013 17:09:44
I went though the list of my games today and added the thread numbers to them. It was not a lot of effort. I know, people like Ponch will have to do much work. Still, I think it's not too much to ask for.
I know, right? Gah! If only I had legions of minions to do these things for me. This is why I still don't have an entry for Barn Runner on the AGS Wiki. I need minions for my internettings. But who can afford to hire wiki-minions in this economy? (e-minions? iMinions?) :=
Thanks, AGA, for doing all of this. It must have been a lot of work. I can only assume you have legions of minions. I'm very jealous. :cheesy:
Quote from: Andail on Fri 05/04/2013 17:27:10
Naturally, only the authors and the rating staff can alter/fix the screenshots, but if people would like to help by taking screenshots and uploading them to a reliable host, we could do the rest.
It's actually more straightforward than that. If I'm given GAMEID.jpg and GAMEID_thumb.jpg for a game, I can just stick them in the right directory and the system will use them. Much quicker than updating the database for dozens of games!
GAMEID.jpg should be the full size screenshot, and GAMEID_thumb.jpg resized down to 320x200. So if people want to give me these for their own games, or any other games they see fit, I can do that. We don't strictly speaking need the thumbnail either, it'll scale them in the browser if it has to; it just takes a lot less time to download a small thumbnail than a full size pic. It someone ends up doing more than a couple, it'd probably be best to zip them up somewhere, rather than spending ages doing save as for loads of images.
Quote from: Ponch on Fri 05/04/2013 17:28:31
Thanks, AGA, for doing all of this. It must have been a lot of work. I can only assume you have legions of minions. I'm very jealous. :cheesy:
Yes, they're named Me, Myself and I. They're a strange bunch, but they get the job done.
would png also work?
Nope! The system converts all formats to jpg (because converting more lossy formats like jpg or gif to png would be silly), and as such expects local screenshots to be jpg. png would of course be preferable, but there are already too many lossy images out there.
I might consider keeping pngs as pngs, but converting gif to jpeg, but the image rendering code is quite complicated, so it might take a while. If you want to provide png AND jpg versions, I may use the pngs... eventually...
But I have lots and lots of games in the database (and still no AGS Award! Curse you, AGS Community! When are you going to stop playing these games with my heart and let me love you?!? :kiss: ). Do you charge extra for inserting all my screenshots? Or do you farm that out to your minions? Do you accept personal checks? Or do I just put money in my DVD drive slot? How does this work exactly?
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 22:57:39
Okay, the database will now show a game's GIP, CGA and Hints threads, if you edit the page to contain the thread ID. There's no sane way of automating this though, so games' owners, or members of staff, will have to update it for each game.
That's great, but there's a small malfunction. The thread IDs are zeroed every time the game database entry is edited.
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 20:02:44
I have reworded the voting bit to be far more obvious. I have vaguely considered adding some sort of context based AJAX thingamabob that lets users do certain things, but don't hold your breath.
Cheers, AGA. You really ARE on a roll! :cheesy:
If you're editing the games page anyway, would you mind making the second line (e.g. "by Herculanean Effort Productions" on this page (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/435/)) to link to a list of all games by that particular producer? And I think the list of credits would look better if the lines "foo has worked on 743 other games" were shown in a third column to the right, rather than as intermediary lines under every username. Just my $.02.
Quote from: Ascovel on Sat 06/04/2013 06:13:12
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 22:57:39
Okay, the database will now show a game's GIP, CGA and Hints threads, if you edit the page to contain the thread ID. There's no sane way of automating this though, so games' owners, or members of staff, will have to update it for each game.
That's great, but there's a small malfunction. The thread IDs are zeroed every time the game database entry is edited.
I just realised the edit page was accidentally returning the same value for all three thread types, because I forgot to update the variable names when copy pasting (roll) Which meant if you only entered one or two thread types, the others may have been overwritten by the other blank entry each time. Should be fixed now!
Quote from: Radiant on Sat 06/04/2013 11:02:40
If you're editing the games page anyway, would you mind making the second line (e.g. "by Herculanean Effort Productions" on this page (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/435/)) to link to a list of all games by that particular producer? And I think the list of credits would look better if the lines "foo has worked on 743 other games" were shown in a third column to the right, rather than as intermediary lines under every username. Just my $.02.
I'll add these to my list.
Quote from: Radiant on Sat 06/04/2013 11:02:40
If you're editing the games page anyway, would you mind making the second line (e.g. "by Herculanean Effort Productions" on this page (http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/435/)) to link to a list of all games by that particular producer? And I think the list of credits would look better if the lines "foo has worked on 743 other games" were shown in a third column to the right, rather than as intermediary lines under every username. Just my $.02.
Okay, done. Each game's page now has a link to a list of all the games by an author. I also structured the credits list to be more clearly separated.
looking good.
see them <<
could be renamed to
unsee them <<
or something less cheesy and more fitting ;)
Just wanted to bump this back to the top because despite a few of us trying to rate more games, I don't think we've yet made much of a dent in the "Games with 5 or fewer ratings" list.
BE A MAN (OR INDEED WOMAN), RATE A GAME!
Quote from: AGA on Thu 04/04/2013 10:50:05
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/notveryrated/
Would it be possible to have the AGS Panel cup rating in this list as well? I wanted to help rate a few of these, I just want to make sure I play the games that haven't been rated by the panel yet. Two birds, one stone.
Edit: There was also an argument ages ago about people complaining about the AGS Panel ratings vs User ratings. Quite a few wanted to be able to sort the games by user rating. A column realignment would be required. I'd love to see the orange cups side by side with the blue cups (perhaps a smaller cup graphic is needed).
I've injured my hand and had to have surgery (minor wound, but temporarily quite debilitating), so any feature requests may have to wait a few days, if not a few weeks.
Quote from: AGA on Tue 09/04/2013 17:10:42
I've injured my hand and had to have surgery (minor wound, but temporarily quite debilitating), so any feature requests may have to wait a few days, if not a few weeks.
Oh, that old chestnut.
Just kidding. Hope it heals quickly :)
I'll scan in the discharge papers if you don't believe me!
(thanks)
Quote from: CaptainD on Tue 09/04/2013 11:20:27
Just wanted to bump this back to the top because despite a few of us trying to rate more games, I don't think we've yet made much of a dent in the "Games with 5 or fewer ratings" list.
I meant to do this over the weekend, but I never got around to it. I think I'll try to rate a game or two every day on my lunch break. (nod)
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Wait... are you giving me the option... I'm not sure I like the direction this thread has taken. (wrong)
Quote from: AGA on Sat 06/04/2013 14:11:27
Okay, done. Each game's page now has a link to a list of all the games by an author. I also structured the credits list to be more clearly separated.
Thank you!
In a random other idea: would people find it useful if, besides AGS Award winners and Pick Of The Month, people could browse MAGS winners in a similar way?
YES! :p
The main trouble with that is that (AFAIK), MAGS voting doesn't require games to be in the games database the way the Awards do. So while some of the winners may be available, any 'view MAGS winners' list is going to be fairly incomplete.
Quote from: AGA on Tue 09/04/2013 18:50:32
The main trouble with that is that (AFAIK), MAGS voting doesn't require games to be in the games database the way the Awards do. So while some of the winners may be available, any 'view MAGS winners' list is going to be fairly incomplete.
Some random checking suggests to me that most of them are in the database. That said, I would find an incomplete list still better than no list.
Or just start the list a year ago or up until the point in time where we have the first game missing (and the author unavailable) even? And a new rule to MAGS that the game needs to be uploaded to the AGS games database, I don't see any harm in that either!
I definitely think MAGS games need some place to go - now that there's not even an MAGS game category on the site anymore.
I'll look into it, once my hand is back to coding form.
There is still a MAGS category on the site though... I think the search function is a bit broken and isn't returning them.
MAGS has been going for 12 years by the way, almost certainly a majority of games aren't in the database. There are 136 games in the database, of probably 400+ games overall.
Quote from: AGA on Tue 09/04/2013 19:07:14
There is still a MAGS category on the site though...
Huh, I certainly can't find it when adding a game. I only see genre, setting and story as categories, no more short game, medium game, joke game etc. Am I not looking in the right place?
@AGA
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Quote from: DoorKnobHandle on Tue 09/04/2013 19:16:18
Quote from: AGA on Tue 09/04/2013 19:07:14
There is still a MAGS category on the site though...
Huh, I certainly can't find it when adding a game. I only see genre, setting and story as categories, no more short game, medium game, joke game etc. Am I not looking in the right place?
Apparently users no longer set the category themselves. It's just 'uncategorised' by default. The category is set by the Rating Panel when they get around to it. I should probably change that, because it's a bit of a pointless bit of admin.
Quote from: AGA on Tue 09/04/2013 19:07:14
MAGS has been going for 12 years by the way, almost certainly a majority of games aren't in the database. There are 136 games in the database, of probably 400+ games overall.
It is my impression that most MAGS
winners are in the database, not most MAGS games in general. Of course, I haven't been here for twelve years and this is just my experience based upon random benchmarks.
Quote from: AGA on Tue 09/04/2013 19:36:27
Apparently users no longer set the category themselves. It's just 'uncategorised' by default. The category is set by the Rating Panel when they get around to it. I should probably change that, because it's a bit of a pointless bit of admin.
Well, yeah. Surely a game author knows whether he's written a full-length game, MAGS game, or non-adventure game? :)
I think MAGS should not be a category but an additional tag. A MAGS game can be short or medium length or even a non-adventure game. This should be just a checkbox.
Quote from: cat on Tue 09/04/2013 20:36:44
I think MAGS should not be a category but an additional tag. A MAGS game can be short or medium length or even a non-adventure game. This should be just a checkbox.
+1, especially since quite a lot of MAGS games get an after-MAGS overhaul.
Okay, I'm mostly able to code again. Various things are in progress, and should be ready tomorrowish.
I don't mind that mags games have a unique designation since they are part of a specific ags competition that has been going on almost as long as ags has been around. It's a fair point that mags games can continue after the competition, but is it really important that they are no longer designated as mags games? Now, if doing something like a checkbox to add on information to games would make organization easier or more efficient I would say fine, do it, but if it requires considerable re-working of the code for the database then I can't imagine why it would be worth the trouble.
The coding isn't complicated, it's just going to require a lot of human effort to actually set all the MAGS games as such. I've half worked something out that should do at least some of the work automagically though.
Cool. Thanks for all the hard work, AGA. But don't overwork your hand. You don't want to go through life with a hook do you? (wrong)
Okay, so I'm getting somewhere. With some PHP and MySQL trickery I've managed to convert the crazy flat file data storage of the official MAGS site in a proper database. Where possible I've tapped into the forums and games databases, to pick out the authors' and games' IDs, but it hasn't always been possible.
http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/mags.php. The vast majority of the authors are registered forum members, and I've put a link to their profile where I could find it. If someone can work out who the other handful of people are, I'll add that info too. About half the games have a link to the relevant game's page, but a lot of them are either stored in the database under a different name, or aren't in the database at all. Again, if someone can add any of this info, I'll update it.
I think in future it would be a good idea to have MAGS voting tied into the games database the way the AGS Awards are. It would be a lot less effort for the people running MAGS to update the site if all the information was fed from one source. More easily updated too.
"Indiana Rodent" is this game, http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1513/
"Blue Blue World Domination" is this, http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1561/
"HUBRIS" is this one, http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1541/
and "2034 A.C." is here, http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1646/
And yes, I think doing MAGS voting in the same system would be helpful.
My March 2013 MAGS game KTX-1 has a game page: http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/site/games/game/1668/
Thanks for the great work, AGA!
Thanks, guys. I'm beavering away, converting the current MAGS pages to be database driven. This will hopefully make things a bit easier to administrate, but will essentially look identical to the public.
I've tried twice to add the GiP and Hints threads to the CD demo and it won't take - is it because I can't put a link to the Completed Game Announcement (for obvious reasons!!)?
At first I just copy and pasted the thread links and that didn't work. I believe you need to type in only the ID numbers near the end of the link, that worked for me.
example...
If you look up at the top of this page, the ID number for this thread would be...
topic= (47949)
Thanks Nick, that worked. :smiley:
That should maybe be said on the page you edit/add a game, so people don't do the same mistake as CaptainD did..
(Or make a neat small script that will catch the topic id from the link).
Well, the text next to the label says "Complete Game Announcements thread ID: " so for me it was obvious what to put in there. I think it's good to use the ID instead of the full link, because a link might change (as it has happened several times already)
Quote from: Peder Johnsen+ on Tue 16/04/2013 13:43:39
That should maybe be said on the page you edit/add a game, so people don't do the same mistake as CaptainD did..
(Or make a neat small script that will catch the topic id from the link).
That message is on the add / edit page! (it's actually the same page, just with different logic involved).
Quote from: cat on Tue 16/04/2013 14:10:06
Well, the text next to the label says "Complete Game Announcements thread ID: " so for me it was obvious what to put in there. I think it's good to use the ID instead of the full link, because a link might change (as it has happened several times already)
Could probably make it just pick out the thread ID from the whole link easily enough. Seems overkill though. I personally think CaptainD was just being a bit silly and not reading TFM (or TFNOTP... The F Note on the Page)
Gonna do some serious rating when I get home :D
Quote from: AGA on Tue 16/04/2013 14:13:38
I personally think CaptainD was just being a bit silly and not reading TFM (or TFNOTP... The F Note on the Page)
How dare you, sir! I challenge you to a duel!*
*Offer not valid on weekdays or weekends."The below thread IDs can be found in a forums thread's link, e.g. http://www.adventuregamestudio.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=
12345"
Hey, was that there before? If so I apologise and eat humble cow pie. Also I apologise to Ponch for eating cow pie.
*rates all OROW games* (nod)
Just a question, don't know if it's the right place, but I prefer not to start a new thread for my question.
I saw "The last 100 Panel ratings" section: there are games "RATED 0".
What does this mean? Those games are rated less than one blue cup?
When you click any of the "Rated 0" games, it shows that it was not rated yet. So that, I guess? Or maybe the length, content advisory and genre was set, but not yet the cup rating itself.