Some programs needed

Babar · Tue 17/08/2004 11:17:56

I was looking for 2 pieces of software specifically. I am not even sure that either exist, though. One thing I needed was a midi-ifier - something that can convert wav, mp3, and/or ogg to midi. On a related note, what is IMUSE?
The other thing I needed, if it exists is a cracker/editter/viewer of later sierra games like KQ5 and 6, SQ4 and 5, QfG3, 4 etc. Stuff that I can use to view BGs, character animations, objects etc. Something like the Sierra equivalent of Scumm Revisited.

Radiant · Tue 17/08/2004 12:25:31

It is impossible to convert WAV, MP3 and/or OGG to MIDI. This is because a MIDI file is basically a sheet of music paper, that tells the computer when tones are supposed to start and end, and which instruments are supposed to play the tones (hence its very small size). WAV, MP3 and OGG are all raw audio data, i.e. sine waves (MP3 and OGG compress them, WAV does not). While it's easy to create a tone from sheet music, it requires extensive analysis to actually convert tones as you hear them, back into sheet music. Especially if any number of aural effects (fades, reverbs, etc) have been used.

iMUSE is the system used by LucasArts in their third-generation games (MI2, Indy/FOA, etc) that allows the (MIDI) music to react to events in the game and 'fade over' into other tunes on the spot. For instance, in the beginning of MI2, the music changes as soon as you meet Largo and as soon as he moves away - regardless of which point in the music the game was when he appeared (which depends on your actinos).

As for the resource viewer for Sierra games, try googling SCI Studio.

Babar · Tue 17/08/2004 12:48:54

Sorry for the noobishness of that question. I always wondered what exactly MIDI did to make the size so small. About MIDIs then... is there a place I can get Lucasarts game midis? I saw queststudios for sierra games, but I am looking for lucasarts midis.
About SCI Studio, I was under the impression that it could not extract stuff from the VGA games. I will check it out again. Thanks for the help

m0ds · Tue 17/08/2004 15:03:59

Can't remember if they have MIDI, but... http://soundtracks.mixnmojo.com

Toefur · Wed 18/08/2004 04:29:09

I have a program called 'Widi Recognition System'. It converts MP3's to Midi. The problem is that they really suck, and you can only convert into one instrument [I think].

auhsor · Wed 18/08/2004 07:36:03

Yeah I have also heard of MP3 > MIDI converter, but I have never used one, and I would imagine that they would only do a good job on certain files. But as you are looking for lucasarts midis, then the above link should work.

Haddas · Wed 18/08/2004 17:35:53

Listen to this

http://hindersh.no-ip.org/roger/files/Mr.Vain.mid <-notice .mid

Babar · Thu 19/08/2004 03:37:23

wow... that is pretty accurate, considering it is a MIDI. It must have taken a lot of work though, because when I tried converting (even a very musical) wav to MIDI, it came out all warbly

Radiant · Thu 19/08/2004 15:12:49

I'm not sure that SCI studio does the job, but it's certainly possible to strip resources from VGA sierra games; maybe the program was called SCI decoder instead or something. Google?
I'm pretty sure LucasArts uses an internal format that is similar to MIDI (for instance, AGI games use sound resources which, while technically different, act similar to MIDIs)

InCreator · Thu 19/08/2004 17:50:39

There ARE MP3>Midi converters out there.
And they WORK WELL, in few rare cases. But it depends more on a song. Songs with lots of piano melodies, high sounds, etc have probability to get successful conversion.

There was even some kind of winamp 2.x plugin to write song into MIDI format, though it sucked. Unfortunately I can't give you any names or links. You have to search them by yourself.

LGM · Thu 19/08/2004 21:56:55

That mid is just an mp3 renamed..

Sorry.. Converting a wav to mp3 is next to impossible. As a midi is just sheet music that calls soundfonts from your soundcard.

Sylpher · Fri 20/08/2004 03:02:27

Weeeeell..

If you look at it strickly from a data point you could convert a wav or mp3 to a mid file. The result would be an a different sounding song. I wonder if anyone has done such a thing just to do a really complex note generator..

Babar · Fri 20/08/2004 16:02:42

Quote from: [lgm] on Thu 19/08/2004 21:56:55
That mid is just an mp3 renamed..

Sorry.. Converting a wav to mp3 is next to impossible. As a midi is just sheet music that calls soundfonts from your soundcard.

hahahhaa.....I should have known it was too good to be true.

I tried converting Beethoven's "ode to joy" to a midi from wav, using a grand piano as the instrument, and I could still recognise most of it, but it had these warbly extra notes. When I tried something even slightly less musical (a part of "Return to Innocence") using voice as an instrument, it was completely different

Rui 'Trovatore' Pires · Fri 20/08/2004 16:09:19

Wav to Mid? If someone figures out how, let me know! Mid to Wav? I reccomend WinGroove.

Some programs needed

m0ds