Has any one ever remade Monkey Island? I've remade apart of it, but not all of it. Getting the right size graphics, for AGS, is the hard part. I've made all of Melee Island landscape, and apart of Monkey Island. I haven't done any of the characters, and the puzzles very little. To be honest, I don't think i'm going to carry on remaking it. But if someonelse is/does that's great!!!
So has anyone ever tried remaking, or remade Monkey Island?
If not, why don't you?- infact that could be an AGS competion.
Dark Stalkey was remaking the start of CMI to show AGS could do the job
but remake a whole game? when its already absolutely superb? crazy :P
That's not such a crazy idea... I was thinking of it, and I found some kind of "hint"... Do you know who Paco Vink is? He is making a comic of MI in the CMI style, it's supperb and can be found in.... scummbar.com?
I once conerted one of his stripes into the apprepiate resolution, and it looked supperb (Thanks Paco, not me)
Yes, you must remove the characters, and the dialogs and some other stuff, but it ill allways be faster than drawing it all form the beginning... And you can allways try to contact with Paco Vink. ;)
Here, the comic...
EDIT: http://www.worldofmi.com/features/comics/vink/ (http://www.worldofmi.com/features/comics/vink/)
When I say to remake Monkey Island, I mean remake it the exact same way it used to be. Original graphics, characters,script ect. I don't mean use new graphics, to replace the old ones, or a new GUI. The original aspects,of Monkey Island were, like Privateer Puddin said, perfect!
To put a long explaination short, convert MI(scumm) into MI(AGS)
I'm not sure what the value of that would be. You wouldn't rebuild the empire state building using different construction techniques just to prove you could.
I can see why the idea of remaking it is tempting, because you wouldn't need to slave for months coming up with your own graphics, plot, dialogue, inventory, sound...
I've just remembered my own semi-complete first game. I'm going to stop talking now.
Quote from: Ali on Sat 10/04/2004 15:54:42
I'm not sure what the value of that would be. You wouldn't rebuild the empire state building using different construction techniques just to prove you could.
I can see why the idea of remaking it is tempting, because you wouldn't need to slave for months coming up with your own graphics, plot, dialogue, inventory, sound...
I've just remembered my own semi-complete first game. I'm going to stop talking now.
Why not?
Why make any adventure games?
I mean what would be the point of making AGS at all, why not just use other Adventure Games creators, which were made years before AGS?
I'll tell you why, because people like to see if it can be done. And I know AGS can do it, it just hasn't yet. The whole point of remaking MI would be to see it in another light, a different light. A light us game adventures lovers would be prould to see.
MI is one of the best Adventures, of all time. I think it deserves to be reborn. I mean it's not getting any younger, is it? Plus if your someone who's never heard of Monkey Island, you would like to check it out. But maybe you don't want to buy the real version, the AGS version would be free! It would also bring more people to the AGS community, that's if you care about it, that is.
So I end my pharagraph with saying remaking Monkey Island, would be a good thing, not a bad thing, like Ali said. Who's with me!
*Big Brother applaudes energetically.
I don't agree.
I could if you could no longer purchase Monkey Island, I could if it used a parser or something or didn't run on todays systems.
But, i'd prefer if you (or if any one tried to do so) used their time to create an original adventure game.
You may disagree, but that wouldn't stop you from downloading the remake, if someone remade Monkey Island, would it?
If the remake changed absolutely nothing, i would only download it to see how accurate it was.
So... If you succed, what will you have? A perfect copy of Monkey Island? Something most of us have, with scumm VM and filtered graphics, which look supperb? Who would download it?
And what about if you don't succed? You'll have a bad, buggy copy...
I encourage you to go on... But I just can't uderstand you,sorry... :-\
If you it would be accurate copy of the original, I bet Lucas Arts wouldn't like you spreading it around for free.
Ok then, you people like to critisise, yeah. I mean you've done that since i've started this topic. Unfortunetly, your critisism is against me. But think if I, or someonelse remade MI, then you could critisise all you want about it. But it would only be good. Because if I made it it would 99.9% accarate. 0.01% because the graphics would be a bit out of shape.
And I bet everyone that's commenting about this topic, want to see it anyway, so stop your moaning.
(I think I spelt critisise wrong. I bet you will all criti...(however you spell it) about that.)
Sure, we'd all like to see it! But i'm sure we'd all prefer it if the same amount of effort was put into a totally original game, or even a remake of a game that needs it. What people are saying is that the effort involved may not be worth the gain in the end.
Aw, don't take it so personally. Here, let me give you my opinion as someone who's remade a game -
Let me tell you, from BITTER experience, that at first its fun - real fun, especially if you're new to AGS. Hell, if you're new to AGS, remaking an existing game is the BEST thing you could do! But eventually, it gets boring. In the sense that you can't let your creativity run wild. There's no sense of achievement, you just want to ship the thing and be done with it. And when it IS done... well, everyone else DOES have a point, you know. Why to download an AGS version which is JUST LIKE the original? Not to mention how much more space it would take up in the hard drive, and the extra amount of memory needed by AGS to run.
Here's my advice - I'm ALL for remakes, but remakes should... well, remake. You aren't talking about remaking, you're talking about porting. And AGS isn't the best engine to port with, SCUMMVM is waaaay better. But if you want to change something related to the wow factor - graphics, music, hell, even add speech! - go ahead!
EDIT - By rereading I noticed you said something about "why purchase the original when the AGS version is free"... well, I can say two things to that. 1) EMule is FULL of games, including Monkey Island. 2)I DO hope you realize you're talking about VERY SERIOUS copyright infrigement... I only got away with my remake because it's already abandonware. I hope. Well, no one has tried to sue me yet, so I guess I'm safe.
Maybe your right about the copyright thing. I never said I was making a public Monkey Island port, anyway. I said I had made a few rooms, and ripped a few graphics.But now, like I said before, i've stopped remaking it.
But I still think it would be good if someonelse would port it.
And by the way, I think that it's good that a 14 year old boy, has made 25% of an old classic adventure game, some adults don't even start an a ORIGINAL game, which they've thought of themselves.
(Forget what I said at the last pharagraph, below reply, will tell you why).
QuoteAnd by the way, I think that it's good that a 14 year old boy, has made 25% of an old classic adventure game, some adults don't even start an a ORIGINAL game, which they've thought of themselfs.
Shouldn't it be the other way around? It's easier to remake than to do from scratch.
Good point!
Everybody, forget that part.
Unbalevably i've never even played monkey island.
I've been hereing of it for years now.
don even know why i didn't download it before.
dl ing now of kazaa
I'm putting the remake of MI on the web. Who would like to download it?
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I would... I am curious about it...
I'm going to have it on the web, by Tuesday. But only if people give me support, otherwise it's not going on there. Also it's not the full game, only what i've done already. And it's only the first half of melee island(not meaning the landscape, that's all there) because that's the only part which is nearly perfect. The second half is very buggy. The only problem with the first half is the sword fighting. Not the sword master, that's perfect, I mean the pirates,there too clever for there own good.
So i'll give you link of the website, on Tuesday, but only if you give some support.
I would download it
Me too id dl it! ;D
Maybe I would download it. But not if the graphics and sprites are the same as the original because I got Secret of Monkey Island on CD-rom.
I'd be curious to play it. :)
BTW, ags_guy... What's this of demmanding support for uploading a game or not? Do whatever you want, it should be a nice presentation card, but don't expect 900 replies demmanding "pliz, I want to see it!!!1!"...
Don't wanna seem harsh, but I think this is a little bit ridiculous, "show me support and I'll upload it"... AGS is not about that, I think.
Yes, your right. My apologies. But before, people were bad mouthing my idea, really bad. And for all the work i've done, I just think that's damm right rude.
When saying I want support, what I really mean is I don't want anyone dising the idea.
You're taking this waaaay too personally. Chill out. Like I said, remaking something like this is GREAT for learning AGS... but not for releasing, as it serves no real purpose. that's all we've been trying to say to you. Of course we're interested in your project, but not as a remake of Monkey Island - rather, as a result of a programming experiment which we can evaluate (and of course we WILL evaluate, because we're talking about a classic). Believe me, if it's good and bug-less, your standing in the community will increase that much more. But that's all the good it'll do. We've only been telling you that there's no real point in remaking it without any other goal.
Let me give you an example - I've been fidling with the idea of making a CD player with AGS. And I mean shufflin tracks, programming them... the whole works. It could be done, and I even know how. But... what's the point? Everybody's got Media Player...
Yes, you've got a point. Everone forget what I said, about putting apart of MI on the internet. It's over.
But before I go, I have to say, that I take nothing personal, at all. I wasn't arguing with anyone. I was debating. And I don't think there's anything, wrong with that. You told me something that I disagreed with, so I put my point across, the same you did when I told about the whole remaking MI thing. So please don't ecuse me, of something i'm not doing. Thankyou. And please don't take that so personal, redruM.
it seems first you're just throwing the idea out there and then all of the sudden you have the first part made. did you start working on this and then ask if people would like it?
also:
"I know AGS can do it, it just hasn't yet. The whole point of remaking MI would be to see it in another light, a different light. A light us game adventures lovers would be prould to see."
I know AGS can do it to... It's obvious AGS can do it, it could do it for about 2 years now. There is no new light to look at MI through if you're taking the same exact art/story/animations/music/puzzles and just porting it to AGS. It just makes no sense... Does this mean I'm calling you a moron and a fool for doing this? No, do whatever you want and thousands of people will download it. I'm just saying maybe your time would be better spent making your own game. Doesn't MI inspire you to make a game that is your own? With your own story and your own characters exploring your own world?
The majority of us have MI and we've played it tons of times, the only thing porting it to AGS would do is get you into copyright trouble and be a huge drain on your free time. Making it free is NOT a good reason. Do you not think it's worth it to buy?
also to answer your question: Has any one ever remade Monkey Island?
Yes, Lucasarts did, they remade it into 256 colours, which had a point, it updated the look of the game.
It's a form of polling, which, like chat rooms, we don't like on forums.
I still agree with whoever said it last, MI doesn't need to be remade. Establish your name within the community by making an original game first off.
:)
An original idea, you say.
Well i've thought of making one of those RON games. I've even thought of the story. You see, what happens is that you, the chicken, have just the shot the sheriff. Running away, you see Davy. You tell him about you, shooting the sheriff, and he tells you, that he knows a spell which can make you, go back in time. As going back in time, you could then not shoot the sheriff. But the going back in time spell makes you think, that you could use the spell to go back in time, to save your brother Fred. Anyway not the mess up all of RON's history, i've thought of an idea to kill Fred at the end.
Does that sound like a good idea to anyone?
Note: If you haven't played RON games, then you won't know what the hell, i'm talking about. So go to http://ron.the-underdogs.org/ to find out.
Legal issues with LucasArts aside, it might be a fun idea to remake Monkey Island, but with a start menu like at the beginning of Part Two...
- "Normal (Easy) Mode" (which would be the original)
- "Challenging Mode" (with many more puzzles to make it more entertaining for those who have already played the original)
There are so many locations (the back alley, the town, the jungle, the forest) that could be explored further... and just imagine replacing the hilarious, but somewhat surreal off-screen sequence in the governor's mansion ("use wax lips on rhino" or whatever it was) with a real puzzle...
Well, I'd like it, anyway.
*starts dreaming about a MI where the lookout at the start won't let you into town until you've performed some sort of service for him*
EDIT
As long as it's not something like this...
http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/MonkeyIsland-DC/ (http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/MonkeyIsland-DC/)
as far as RON and time travel is concerned, I'm making a RON game involving time travel and the chicken and his brother so it might not be a good idea to do that.
And I'm actually building a time machine with my brother out of chickens.
No wait a minute, that wasn't what I meant to say...
AGS_Guy, if you come up with a synopsis for an original plot then post in the Critic's Lounge to get feedback and constructive criticism.
And I'm glad you didn't take my earlier post personally.